| yeti | even the rasPIans... | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| yeti | I'm starting to experiment with emacs as WM | 00:01 |
| yeti | that will brin thousands of apps with a flash | 00:01 |
| yeti | it's half the os | 00:01 |
| openbsdtai123 | I added 't' to create a new fltk flrox tab/win. https://termbin.com/x6zm | 00:03 |
| openbsdtai123 | ctwm or evilwm + fltk is faster than xfce | 00:04 |
| openbsdtai123 | xfce terminal is mem hog | 00:04 |
| yeti | I use xterm | 00:04 |
| yeti | because sixels | 00:05 |
| openbsdtai123 | ubuntu removed xterm from default... | 00:05 |
| yeti | who is ubuntu? | 00:05 |
| yeti | :-Þ | 00:05 |
| openbsdtai123 | commercial linux | 00:05 |
| DonkeyHotei | xterm is a mem hog too | 00:05 |
| yeti | IDC | 00:05 |
| openbsdtai123 | maybe xterm vs compared flterm.cxx ... https://termbin.com/wbwy for a faster terminal, flterm.cxx | 00:08 |
| cush | hmm | 00:11 |
| openbsdtai123 | I checked quickly fltk term is smaller than xterm. | 00:20 |
| cush | most of the logic is in linked shared objects | 00:28 |
| tuxd3v | xterm is small but not so fast to parse , prinjt information to the screen | 00:30 |
| cush | i've been disappointed how slow terminals render utf8 | 00:32 |
| openbsdtai123 | when I start fltk terminal, it popups instantly, xterm slower to appear on arm. best would be to try to display over ssh -X over the globe, earth, >7000 km and see how it performs. | 00:33 |
| openbsdtai123 | I am sure that gnome or dolphin will perform over 7000 km ssh -X much slower than flrox ;) | 00:34 |
| tuxd3v | openbsdtai123, so you like FLTK? | 00:34 |
| openbsdtai123 | Anyhow ... who care about -X ... Xwayland will save us all ;) | 00:34 |
| tuxd3v | have you heard of https://edeproject.org/ | 00:34 |
| tuxd3v | ? | 00:35 |
| openbsdtai123 | I prefer my Makefile... because Netbsd has no packages sometimes... so wget fltk.tar.gz, ./conf make and all is ready to operate. I am not depending on any packagers, this is freedom. A bit like gentoo. | 00:36 |
| tuxd3v | I sugested the EDE project because you are intended to go with FLTK on arm :) | 00:41 |
| openbsdtai123 | thank you very much, sincerely, I noticed EDE. I need to try one day to make. there is too a nano assembler os somehwere on the web. likely koribri os | 00:42 |
| openbsdtai123 | thank you and good night | 01:01 |
| cush | goodnite openbsdtai123 | 01:09 |
| Xenguy | Sweet dreams | 01:13 |
| BloatHunter | does devuan work with runit? | 01:16 |
| Xenguy | Idle for awhile BloatHunter , someone should answer that, if your searches aren't working | 01:21 |
| Xenguy | So he leaves of course : -) | 01:22 |
| Xenguy | .oO( Was it the tone of my voice ? ) | 01:23 |
| MinceR | don't be shocked by the tone of my voice | 01:27 |
| MinceR | check out my new weapon, weapon of choice | 01:27 |
| Xenguy | Look at you rap MinceR | 03:02 |
| Bjornn | both my ethernet and my wifi are showing connected. I'm showing ethernet speeds so is the wifi actually being ignored or do they in fact work together | 03:12 |
| cush | i use route -n to see where things get directed Bjornn | 03:14 |
| Bjornn | I good idea, thanks cush | 03:27 |
| Bjornn | oh* | 03:27 |
| Bjornn | haha | 03:27 |
| cush | ? | 03:28 |
| Bjornn | I meant to say good idea but a cascade of nonsense emerged | 03:28 |
| cush | i only saw < Bjornn> I good idea, thanks cush ❚ oh* ❚ haha | 03:29 |
| Bjornn | It shows me eth0 and wlan0 | 03:32 |
| cush | do you want to use both simultaneously? | 03:33 |
| Bjornn | I handn't given it much thought much of it. is it typical? | 03:38 |
| Bjornn | well, is anything typical. lol | 03:38 |
| cush | i haven't done that | 03:40 |
| cush | your ISP is likely slower than the ethernet connection anyway | 03:41 |
| Bjornn | ethernet is 83mb and wifi seems to be around 12mb | 03:41 |
| Bjornn | I'm not sure what the max is, it's cable so I expect that's probably close to the best they offer for a residential | 03:42 |
| cush | okey | 03:43 |
| cush | sometimes i wonder if i should package this for devuan http://ziz.gp2x.de/hase/ | 03:43 |
| Bjornn | it looks like an intersting game | 03:44 |
| cush | the gravity is 'bent' by the 'asteroids' | 03:45 |
| cush | to land a long distance shot you have to guess how the gravity field will affect your carrot | 03:45 |
| cush | it's a bit like putting on a putting green | 03:45 |
| Bjornn | It has kind of a 90's look to it. | 03:46 |
| cush | mhm | 03:46 |
| Bjornn | does it just need to be compiled for devuan? or would there be some signigicant rewrites for it | 03:47 |
| cush | it compiles fine | 03:47 |
| cush | it'd need debianization - making debian/rules etc | 03:48 |
| cush | not too hard really | 03:48 |
| Bjornn | I'm lost on the technical stuff | 03:50 |
| cush | if you want to try it i can help you compile it | 03:52 |
| cush | there's also binaries http://ziz.gp2x.de/hase/hase-amd64-1.6.7.tar.gz | 03:52 |
| Bjornn | ok, I'll grab it and take a quick look | 03:56 |
| * cush makin brussels sprouts with good olive oil | 03:56 | |
| Bjornn | nice. My wife bought a big batch of brussel sprouts this afternoon | 03:57 |
| Bjornn | what would be the compile commands on this? | 03:58 |
| cush | got to build sparrow3d first, then hase | 03:59 |
| cush | so in sparrow3d you'd do make TARGET=amd64 if you have regular 64bit pc | 04:02 |
| Bjornn | I'm not sure I have sparrow3d | 04:11 |
| Bjornn | I'll have to touch base again in a bit, I have a crying dog here. | 04:12 |
| cush | okey | 04:17 |
| cush | everything you need to run Hase should be in the .tar.gz | 04:17 |
| openbsdtai123 | having "su -" is not necessary. this will not increased security of debian. I have impression that devuan should go its own way and completely stay Unix like system, without going into direction of Ubuntu and Debian. | 17:12 |
| openbsdtai123 | Since Ubuntu took over Debian, Devuan should emerge as an Unix-like system, as it was aimed to be at Potatoe time. I remember Potatoe, this was golden time of Debian. | 17:13 |
| MinceR | you would remove the ability to change directory and environment (as a login shell would) from su? | 17:14 |
| cush | su is unix-like. do you refer to sudo openbsdtai123 ? | 17:17 |
| openbsdtai123 | I am mentioning more generally, more Linux rather than going to go Unix-like. vi is abandoned, so far,. "less" either, the kernel goes to desktop direction, implements new Desktop interests. ... Linux moves to desktop. | 17:26 |
| MinceR | OpenBSD has "su -" too. does that make it not Unix? | 17:29 |
| fsmithred | We are lacking enough devs to split completely from debian. openbsdtai123, which 10,000 packages would you volunteer to maintain? | 18:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | How did ubuntu takeover debian? | 18:16 |
| phillipsjk | I beleive Ubuntu had a wealthy backer who hired staff, mailed out free LiveCDs and the like. | 18:17 |
| sixwheeledbeast | The ideal situation would have been to make sure all the debian packages didn't have this dependency on systemd in the first place. | 18:18 |
| phillipsjk | systemd is a redhat takeover, not Ubuntu takeover. | 18:19 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Thats the way I see it too, I mean the other init option was from ubuntu in the great init wars all those years ago. | 18:27 |
| zatumil | yes ubuntu linux and systemd are hunting for desktop users, devuan must not do this | 18:46 |
| MinceR | they don't even work properly on desktops | 18:50 |
| golinux | This is not the systemd debate channel, folks. | 18:51 |
| golinux | Take it to #debianfork | 18:52 |
| brocashelm | the main reason i'm still on 16.04 is due to still being allowed to boot with upstart, but devuan all the way! | 19:25 |
| topro_ | hi there, openvswitch experts around? using devuan arm-sdk just built and installed a raspi4 beowulf image, everything looks fine but my openvswitch interface won't start up. Same config on raspi4 with an ascii image i built a couple of months ago using same workflow works flawlessly. any idea? | 20:59 |
| topro_ | on boot or when manually trying to start interface with "ifup ovsvlan120" it will block forever with "ifup: waiting for lock on /run/network/ifstate.ovsbr1" where ovsbr1 is the bridge and ovsvlan120 ist the internal vswitch port with vlan tag 120 | 21:01 |
| hemimaniac | im no expert topro but did you cruise around /var to see if something else is generating a lockfile that blocking you, or if it needs a lock, did something change permission wise? | 21:10 |
| topro_ | im having a look at /run/network and there is a .ifstate.lock no idea how this might be related and where it comes from | 21:11 |
| topro_ | Btw. running ifup on eth0 manually works | 21:11 |
| topro_ | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=949845#20 seems there is something going on. doesn't match exactly what I am seeing but installing openvswitch from proposed-updates does seem to change something on the locking | 21:49 |
| topro_ | oh noooo, finally it happend what I was {expecting|fearing} package ceph-base lost its init script /etc/init.d/ceph | 23:53 |
| topro_ | where to report? | 23:53 |
| topro_ | that happend in beowulf-backports/ceres versions 14.x | 23:53 |
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