| systemdlete | have to reboot again... bbl | 00:00 |
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| linearain | anyone tried to remove systemd from buster 10.1? | 00:02 |
| fsmithred | linearain, yeah Devuan did that. We call it Beowulf. | 00:13 |
| linearain | fsmithred, i think i heard about it but i mean.. eh, since im lazy, could i "convert" buster into beowulf? | 00:15 |
| fsmithred | yeah, hang on | 00:16 |
| fsmithred | follow these directions: https://beta.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/buster-to-beowulf | 00:17 |
| fsmithred | make sure you back stuff up first | 00:18 |
| linearain | THX! backup sure, always do | 00:19 |
| tuxd3v | hello, | 02:43 |
| tuxd3v | I have an error trying to debootstrap related with perl-base package on arm64 | 02:44 |
| tuxd3v | https://paste2.org/kpJ7y2tM | 02:44 |
| tuxd3v | that was extracted from beowulf debootstrap log attempt | 02:44 |
| ullet | greetings tuxd3v | 02:52 |
| ShorTie | i debootstrap arm64 beowolf with no problems | 03:40 |
| tuxd3v | ShorTie, does you have a lot of the debootstrap? | 03:41 |
| ShorTie | ?? | 03:41 |
| tuxd3v | it would help a lot, to figure out if the problem is really in perl-base package or else | 03:41 |
| ShorTie | doing it right now as a matter of fact | 03:41 |
| tuxd3v | debootstrap\/debootstrap.log | 03:42 |
| ShorTie | i'd say it's a dash/bash thing | 03:42 |
| tuxd3v | you should have this lot | 03:43 |
| tuxd3v | can you paste it please :) | 03:43 |
| tuxd3v | it would help :) | 03:43 |
| ShorTie | try bash maybe | 03:44 |
| tuxd3v | this is my debootstrap log, untill the end: | 03:44 |
| ShorTie | echo "dash dash/sh boolean false" | debconf-set-selections | 03:44 |
| ShorTie | DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive dpkg-reconfigure dash | 03:44 |
| ShorTie | dash sucks !! | 03:45 |
| tuxd3v | https://paste2.org/BYNwI5f8 | 03:49 |
| ShorTie | you can save the debs so you don't need to download everytime | 03:51 |
| tuxd3v | I know :) | 03:51 |
| tuxd3v | I only download 1 time :D | 03:51 |
| tuxd3v | 1st stage compressed in gz | 03:51 |
| tuxd3v | 2nd stage compressed in Gz | 03:52 |
| tuxd3v | :) | 03:52 |
| tuxd3v | Gz -> gz | 03:52 |
| tuxd3v | I have exported DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive | 03:52 |
| tuxd3v | but I am Crossdebootstraping :) | 03:52 |
| tuxd3v | not the same | 03:53 |
| tuxd3v | I am in x86 | 03:53 |
| ShorTie | i don't do cross, just native | 03:53 |
| tuxd3v | yeah that is easier | 03:54 |
| ShorTie | but that is a dash problem | 03:54 |
| tuxd3v | you just need to to debootstrap | 03:54 |
| tuxd3v | the dash of the bootstraping environment? | 03:55 |
| ShorTie | dash period . | 03:56 |
| tuxd3v | hehe | 03:56 |
| ShorTie | dash sucks !! | 03:56 |
| tuxd3v | its not my native dash.. | 03:57 |
| tuxd3v | I believe its something in beowulf.. | 03:58 |
| ShorTie | could be, as it is not chroot'd yet | 03:58 |
| tuxd3v | because I can do the same for ascii | 03:58 |
| ShorTie | no it is not | 03:58 |
| tuxd3v | beowulf is the one failing on me :) | 03:58 |
| ShorTie | ascii is all to gether different from beowolf | 03:59 |
| gnarface | not sure what you guys are running into exactly, but i've had numerous problems with debootstrap failing on specific packages, and usually it works to simply exclude them at debootstrap time and install them after chrooting | 03:59 |
| ShorTie | to bad you can not exclude dash | 04:00 |
| gnarface | well, debootstrap might need to be run with bash, but otherwise it shouldn't actually matter | 04:00 |
| ShorTie | it does | 04:01 |
| ShorTie | things just do not work the same | 04:01 |
| ShorTie | like echo -e "...." | 04:02 |
| ShorTie | and mkdir /lib/{usr,bin} | 04:02 |
| mason | That seems bugworthy, if it won't run under Dash. | 04:02 |
| gnarface | that's not what i meant. i meant that dash shouldn't cripple the system | 04:02 |
| ShorTie | does not like the {} | 04:02 |
| gnarface | unless there is a bug in dash | 04:02 |
| tuxd3v | ShorTie, you mean for sequences? | 04:03 |
| gnarface | and, again, unless there is a bug in dash, the dash package itself should absolutely not halt debootstrap | 04:03 |
| mason | Wait, what's wrong with /lib/{foo,bar} ? | 04:03 |
| ShorTie | Sorry don't know what you mean | 04:03 |
| tuxd3v | mason., expansions.. | 04:03 |
| gnarface | (debootstrap probably DOES need to be run by bash though) | 04:03 |
| ShorTie | it does not work | 04:04 |
| mason | tuxd3v: https://bpaste.net/VJCA | 04:04 |
| ShorTie | you get like /lib/{foo, and the rest just does not happen | 04:04 |
| ShorTie | i've been banging my head on this for weeks | 04:05 |
| mason | Oh. As a full path it fails to expand. | 04:05 |
| tuxd3v | but dash is a lot faster than bash :) | 04:06 |
| mason | Even as a relative path it fails to expand. | 04:06 |
| ullet | i'd like faster utf8 rendering in termanal | 04:07 |
| ShorTie | might be faster, but it just does NOT work the same | 04:07 |
| ShorTie | dash is a known bug !! | 04:07 |
| ShorTie | why do you think things like Linux From Scratch checks for bash | 04:08 |
| ShorTie | dash just does not work down in Makefiles always | 04:08 |
| tuxd3v | while you guys think this is a dash bug, if its a dash bug... why everything works with ascii and not in beowulf? | 04:09 |
| mason | ah, brace expansion isn't POSIX, and shouldn't be in debootstrap | 04:09 |
| tuxd3v | the million dollar question.. | 04:09 |
| mason | No need to guess at what won't work: https://mywiki.wooledge.org/Bashism | 04:10 |
| ShorTie | hehe, "This page is an attempt ..." | 04:11 |
| ShorTie | sortta says it all imho | 04:11 |
| mason | If you see things to add, email them. | 04:12 |
| ShorTie | why not just get rid of dash and use bash ?? | 04:12 |
| ShorTie | it works !! | 04:12 |
| mason | That's clearly not going to happen. But I see where you're coming from now, which means I need to waste any further time. | 04:13 |
| mason | or not not waste* | 04:13 |
| mason | Maybe I'll just go to bed and try typing again in the morning. | 04:13 |
| ShorTie | sounds like a good idea | 04:14 |
| ShorTie | nite all | 04:14 |
| tuxd3v | gnarface, your idea of excluding is a good start :) | 04:19 |
| tuxd3v | I can test if it passes the perl-base package or not :) | 04:19 |
| tuxd3v | thanks | 04:20 |
| tuxd3v | ShorTie, for the record I was right, it has nothing to do with dash, and also 'DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive' is already in debootsdtrap for second stage... | 05:44 |
| tuxd3v | the answer is in a file called suite | 05:44 |
| tuxd3v | \/debootstrap\/suite | 05:44 |
| tuxd3v | it worked in ascii and not in beowulf | 05:45 |
| tuxd3v | because on execution of second stage it has hardcoded the packages it needs | 05:45 |
| tuxd3v | and it hapens that mawk is one of those packages | 05:45 |
| tuxd3v | yeah beowulrf brings mawk intead of gawk | 05:45 |
| tuxd3v | so it crashed when it tried to install mawk | 05:46 |
| tuxd3v | I had exluded mawk.. | 05:47 |
| tuxd3v | its now working nice :) | 05:47 |
| tuxd3v | well, I hope, it hasn't finihed yet :D | 05:47 |
| Vajb | Hey. I solved my bluetooth issue by disabling usb power saving. | 08:36 |
| ullet | i used to solve my bluetooth issues by blacklisting bluetooth ;) | 08:37 |
| ullet | but that's interesting Vajb can you tell me how you disable usb power saving | 08:38 |
| ullet | cause i have unstable usb networking - maybe that causes it | 08:38 |
| Vajb | :D kinda breaks usability if you blacklist it | 08:38 |
| Vajb | Hold on, I'll find a link for instruction I used | 08:39 |
| gnarface | disabling usb powersaving also fixes a problem with a logitech webcam i have here | 08:40 |
| gnarface | (if it goes to sleep, it's missing some of the uvcdynctrl features when it wakes up) | 08:41 |
| ullet | oh i just see IBM released a 'thinkpad' the size of an OpenPandora in .. 1997 - with chicklet thumb keys! - x86! http://0x0.st/i16d.png | 08:45 |
| ullet | sorry wrong chan | 08:46 |
| Vajb | https://askubuntu.com/a/301416 these are two one liners I used | 08:47 |
| ullet | thanks Vajb | 08:47 |
| Vajb | My issue was that bluetooth game controller became unresponsive all of a sudden while gaming | 08:50 |
| Vajb | Blueman went unresponsive as well and | 08:51 |
| Vajb | Sometimes it was fixable by disabling and enabling btusb module, sometimes reboot | 08:52 |
| Vajb | But yesterday I tried to just remove my bluetooth dongle for awhile and when I plugged it back it just worked, so I figured that maybe it has something to do with power saving. | 08:53 |
| Vajb | No issues with bluetooth since then. | 08:54 |
| ullet | THANK YOU Vajb! :D | 08:59 |
| ullet | solved my usb-networking issue! | 08:59 |
| Vajb | Great news! | 09:02 |
| ullet | this is pretty big for me | 09:04 |
| ullet | i have several devices that i couldn't hook up to usb-network | 09:05 |
| ullet | now i can try distcc with them (might not really be fast over usbnet) | 09:05 |
| Vajb | Was big for me too, because I love to play old snes games :) | 09:11 |
| ullet | oOoOo | 09:12 |
| ullet | Vajb: hey you want devuan on a phone man | 09:12 |
| ullet | i just got snes emulator to 60fps, 30-70% cpu use | 09:13 |
| ullet | it's happy | 09:13 |
| ullet | oh man this will be so great | 09:14 |
| Vajb | Not at the moment, but thanks. | 09:14 |
| ullet | has hdmi-out and it even works :D | 09:15 |
| Vajb | I used to play snes games with my old N900, but it is even more fun to have two player games with sound on laptop | 09:15 |
| ullet | ah very good! this is drnoksnes too | 09:16 |
| ullet | just small tweaks | 09:16 |
| ullet | we are reviving maemo with devuan | 09:16 |
| ullet | the phoenix rises.. | 09:16 |
| Vajb | Oh I forgot drnoksnes and fiddled old zsnes to my devuan laptop | 09:16 |
| ullet | drnoksnes is for arm, n900 specifically | 09:17 |
| Vajb | Im not sure if I ever used drnoksnes with sounds | 09:17 |
| ullet | sound is rock solid on my build | 09:17 |
| Vajb | Yes, I've been thinking of installing devuan on my N900, but haven't got time | 09:18 |
| ullet | oki well maemo-leste isn't really a replacement for classic maemo yet | 09:18 |
| Vajb | And with this latest development on enjoyability I think I have even less time :D | 09:18 |
| Vajb | There was snes emulator in devuan repos too, hmm higan maybe | 09:19 |
| Vajb | But didn't get sounds right with it | 09:20 |
| Vajb | They were always clipping | 09:20 |
| Vajb | By clipping I mean that it had constant micropauses no matter what I tried | 09:20 |
| ullet | thank you i had not tried higan | 09:21 |
| Vajb | Maybe it was just my laptop being old and powerless, but zsnes works as expected | 09:21 |
| Vajb | Started playing Chrono Trigger last nite, seems to be epic... | 09:22 |
| ullet | zsnes was very low cpu use even 20 years ago | 09:22 |
| Vajb | Never played it before | 09:22 |
| Vajb | Hehe had some issues with install too | 09:23 |
| Vajb | I have Amd64 processor and it refused to install ofcourse | 09:23 |
| Vajb | But thank god im persistent and can google fast :D | 09:23 |
| golinux | Please take OT to #debianfork | 09:26 |
| Vajb | Ok, I'm sorry about that mess up there. Just wanted to give a hint and got carried away. | 09:29 |
| ullet | higan getting 8-12 fps atm | 09:29 |
| ullet | mostly around 9 FPS with SNES, about 9-10 with Sega Genesis | 09:31 |
| filipdevuan_ | hey i have installed tlp and powertop but when i type powertop in terminal it says command not found | 11:34 |
| filipdevuan_ | why?? | 11:34 |
| zatumil | /usr/sbin/powertop? | 11:38 |
| filipdevuan_ | oh right... yes :). Thanks!! :) | 11:38 |
| nemo | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=virtualbox&release=beowulf | 14:38 |
| nemo | no virtualbox? | 14:38 |
| nemo | guess everyone is still asleep | 14:43 |
| * nemo looks hopefully in direction of fsmithred | 14:43 | |
| nemo | eh. you know what, I'll just try the oracle .deb | 14:43 |
| nemo | hopefully it's not hopelessly broken | 14:43 |
| fsmithred | no vbox | 14:43 |
| fsmithred | pretty sure | 14:44 |
| nemo | mm | 14:44 |
| fsmithred | boinc-virtualbox - metapackage for virtualbox-savvy projects | 14:44 |
| fsmithred | virtualbox-guest-additions-iso - guest additions iso image for VirtualBox | 14:44 |
| fsmithred | that's all I see in beowulf | 14:44 |
| nemo | yeah. was kinda worrying that there was the iso but not vbox | 14:44 |
| nemo | made me think it was broken and deliberately removed | 14:45 |
| nemo | but. eh. | 14:45 |
| fsmithred | I've been using qemu instead | 14:45 |
| nemo | I 'spooooose. but I like their gui ☺ | 14:45 |
| fsmithred | people have accused it of being insecure | 14:45 |
| nemo | I don't know enough about VMs so it's nice to have pulldowns of features | 14:45 |
| nemo | hm | 14:45 |
| fsmithred | yeah, vbox is easy | 14:45 |
| nemo | most VMs have had exploits in past | 14:45 |
| nemo | even qemu | 14:45 |
| fsmithred | the accusation I heard was about unfixed bugs | 14:46 |
| mason | nemo: kvm and libvirt and friends are the most natural solution nowadays | 14:46 |
| fsmithred | we're talking about oracle here | 14:46 |
| nemo | fair point | 14:46 |
| nemo | although don't need security for what I wanted to do just now | 14:46 |
| nemo | which is setup a quick devuan virtual env as a test system for an interview | 14:46 |
| mason | nemo: I'm also a fan of Xen but there's more set-up to do with it, since it's a Type I hypervisor. | 14:46 |
| nemo | hm hm. guess I can give qemu a shot instead | 14:47 |
| nemo | fsmithred can walk me through it 😃 | 14:47 |
| fsmithred | there's aqemu for a graphical frontend. I think there are others. | 14:47 |
| fsmithred | lol | 14:47 |
| mason | fsmithred: Can qemu on its own take advantage of CPU virtualization facilities? It's pure userspace without kvm, isn't it? | 14:47 |
| fsmithred | sure, I can throw a few commands your way | 14:47 |
| fsmithred | oh god, without kvm it emulates a PII | 14:48 |
| nemo | alrighty. step 1) apparently I misplaced my beowulf ISO. | 14:48 |
| fsmithred | which one was it? | 14:48 |
| nemo | oh, I'm just going on the mirrors now. np | 14:49 |
| fsmithred | https://borta.rrq.id.au/ for beta2 | 14:49 |
| nemo | suuure let's live dangerously | 14:49 |
| nemo | download random iso of random website because nick I trust on IRC linked me 😃 | 14:50 |
| fsmithred | do you normally change locale to something other than en_US? | 14:50 |
| nemo | nope | 14:50 |
| nemo | too much trouble | 14:50 |
| fsmithred | ok | 14:50 |
| nemo | when I want apps localised I pass fr_FR explicitly | 14:50 |
| nemo | fsmithred: should pass filename in header ☺ makes for prettier default wget | 14:52 |
| fsmithred | what? | 14:52 |
| nemo | Saving to: ‘index.html?f=devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_beta2_amd64_netinstall.iso’ | 14:52 |
| fsmithred | oh, talk to rrq about that. | 14:52 |
| fsmithred | actually, I kinda like it that way. | 14:52 |
| nemo | eh. it's just a default. you can still override it | 14:52 |
| fsmithred | The latest iso is the one I haven't renamed yet | 14:52 |
| nemo | ah. lol | 14:53 |
| nemo | meh. | 14:53 |
| nemo | you could just have timestamp in filename | 14:53 |
| fsmithred | yeah, refractasnapshot does that | 14:53 |
| nemo | Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_beta2_amd64_netinstall-202004210830.iso | 14:53 |
| fsmithred | qemu-img create -f raw "$image_file" "$size" | 14:54 |
| nemo | kk | 14:54 |
| nemo | fsmithred: where size would be something conveniently large like... 4 gigs or something? | 14:54 |
| nemo | 8 gigs | 14:54 |
| fsmithred | at least 8 | 14:54 |
| nemo | does it take 8GiB as a param or 8G? | 14:54 |
| fsmithred | well, depends on what you're going to install and what you're going to do with it | 14:54 |
| fsmithred | I forget which | 14:55 |
| nemo | fsmithred: ummm. gonna give it a desktop and some simple dev tools and tomcat and vnc | 14:55 |
| nemo | fsmithred: it's a remote interview since we can't meet in person anymore | 14:55 |
| nemo | fsmithred: I can't convince the company to spring for proper take-home work assignments | 14:55 |
| fsmithred | 8 should be plenty | 14:55 |
| nemo | so I've been doing simpler problems-you-can-do-in-15-minutes | 14:55 |
| nemo | open-google/ddg | 14:56 |
| fsmithred | I use 12 if I'm going to make a live snapshot, and that needs to make a copy of the whole filesystem | 14:56 |
| nemo | ah | 14:56 |
| fsmithred | so you could get by with 6 | 14:56 |
| nemo | aight | 14:56 |
| nemo | hm. seems I need to install qemu-img too | 14:57 |
| nemo | wow. there are a lot of qemu packages | 14:57 |
| fsmithred | qemu-utils I think | 14:57 |
| nemo | do I need qemu-system-x86? | 14:58 |
| fsmithred | yes | 14:58 |
| nemo | oh good. that seems to have pulled in a ton of important stuff | 14:58 |
| nemo | $ qemu-img create -f raw ../Downloads/devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_beta2_amd64_netinstall.iso 6G | 15:03 |
| nemo | Formatting '../Downloads/devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_beta2_amd64_netinstall.iso', fmt=raw size=6442450944 | 15:03 |
| nemo | that looks promising | 15:03 |
| fsmithred | qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -m 2048 -cdrom $cdrom_file -boot order=d -drive file=${image_file},format=raw -soundhw hda -smp cores=2,threads=1 | 15:06 |
| nemo | fsmithred: soooo nowhat | 15:06 |
| fsmithred | that command will boot the iso file and attach the virtual disk | 15:07 |
| fsmithred | and you can install from there | 15:07 |
| fsmithred | I didn't include any network commands, but I've got a wonky network setup | 15:07 |
| nemo | fsmithred: hm. so I guess I should've made a copy of the ISO | 15:07 |
| nemo | so I could use it more conveniently in the future | 15:08 |
| fsmithred | I think if you don't include any, you should be able to connect to internet if host is connected | 15:08 |
| nemo | ohhhh welll | 15:08 |
| fsmithred | copy of the iso why? | 15:08 |
| nemo | hate wasting bandwidth | 15:08 |
| fsmithred | what did you do with it? | 15:08 |
| fsmithred | want a mini.iso url? ~50mb | 15:08 |
| nemo | fsmithred: but I mean... I'm going to start working with this one, so if I need a new system I'll have to refetch it | 15:09 |
| nemo | ah well. bandwidth is cheap these days | 15:09 |
| nemo | I'm still stuck on my 4800 baud modem in my head | 15:09 |
| fsmithred | lol | 15:09 |
| openbsdtai123 | hi guys, | 15:13 |
| fsmithred | hi | 15:13 |
| openbsdtai123 | Is devuan for rpi3b model-b faster than raspbian buster? | 15:13 |
| fsmithred | nemo, I just verified that you'll get network with that command | 15:13 |
| openbsdtai123 | netbsd is very fast, faster than raspbian | 15:13 |
| nemo | fsmithred: hm... do I need cdrom file if I used the netinstall iso for the image file? | 15:13 |
| fsmithred | do want to install it or just boot the iso and look at it? | 15:14 |
| nemo | set it up | 15:14 |
| fsmithred | image_file is the virtual disk | 15:14 |
| nemo | right | 15:14 |
| nemo | so the first command you gave me | 15:14 |
| fsmithred | first command to create the disk | 15:14 |
| fsmithred | second command to boot the cdrom-iso with the disk attached | 15:14 |
| nemo | yeah. I just fail at directions apparently | 15:15 |
| nemo | I used the net install iso as the image file location thinking qemu would just use it. which it did | 15:15 |
| * nemo starts over | 15:15 | |
| nemo | was not the right thing to do clearly | 15:15 |
| nemo | moar bandwidth burned | 15:15 |
| fsmithred | barely a drop in the bucket | 15:16 |
| nemo | it might even have worked, but probably would have confused the installer as to its installation target 😃 | 15:16 |
| fsmithred | I think it would give you an error message about the format | 15:16 |
| fsmithred | brb | 15:16 |
| nemo | openbsdtai123: faster in what part? bootup? | 15:25 |
| nemo | openbsdtai123: rendering gui? | 15:25 |
| nemo | memory consumption? | 15:26 |
| nemo | my expectation is that systemd might boot a little faster if you care about that but would have a higher memory footprint | 15:26 |
| nemo | depending on what you disable you can probably improve perf of raspbian or devuan | 15:27 |
| fsmithred | run some tests, write down the times, let us know the results | 15:32 |
| nemo | fsmithred: hmmmm got an error in installation phase, but that could just be due to this being a beta iso | 17:01 |
| nemo | "An installation step failed" | 17:01 |
| nemo | fsmithred: unfortunately I don't know how to get more detail than a red screen | 17:01 |
| nemo | "The failing step is: Select and install software" | 17:01 |
| fsmithred | go back and repeat that step | 17:01 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that happens sometimes | 17:01 |
| fsmithred | might have been a network glitch | 17:01 |
| fsmithred | the way to get more info is to go back and scroll down the menu to "open a shell" and then read syslog. | 17:02 |
| nemo | fsmithred: I tried it again and it failed again | 17:08 |
| nemo | trying "Execute a shell" | 17:08 |
| fsmithred | more /var/log/syslog | 17:09 |
| nemo | fsmithred: heh. been so long since I've used more | 17:09 |
| furrywolf | if you switch to one of the virtual terminals (I don't remember which one), you can often see what's not working. | 17:09 |
| nemo | furrywolf: how do you switch VTs in qemu? | 17:09 |
| nemo | uhoh | 17:09 |
| fsmithred | ? | 17:09 |
| furrywolf | that I have no idea on. | 17:10 |
| nemo | fsmithred: cp: cannot create regular file '/var/tmp/mkinitramfs_FmNsy//usr/lib/modules/4.19.0-8-amd64/kernel/drivers...' No space left on device | 17:10 |
| nemo | fsmithred: qemu startup params weren't sufficient? | 17:10 |
| nemo | fsmithred: need more ram? | 17:10 |
| fsmithred | df -h | 17:10 |
| nemo | omg | 17:11 |
| nemo | everything is filled up | 17:11 |
| nemo | howwwww | 17:11 |
| fsmithred | oh, did you use automatic partitioning? | 17:11 |
| nemo | yes | 17:11 |
| fsmithred | can't do that on small disks. It's totally fucked up. | 17:11 |
| nemo | mm | 17:11 |
| nemo | definitely did not leave enough space | 17:11 |
| nemo | but. I'm thinking I'm going to use 8 gigs | 17:11 |
| nemo | had no idea things were this tight | 17:11 |
| fsmithred | 6G disk will give you some stupid shit like 2G swap | 17:11 |
| * furrywolf is lazy and always uses one big partition, except for swap | 17:12 | |
| fsmithred | manually partition | 17:12 |
| fsmithred | like wolfy says | 17:12 |
| nemo | fsmithred: still thinking I should maybe make a slightly larger disk | 17:12 |
| fsmithred | full xfce desktop uses about 4.6G | 17:12 |
| nemo | yeah... wow | 17:12 |
| fsmithred | disk space is cheap | 17:12 |
| nemo | fsmithred: my main issue is when I start duping VM images ☺ | 17:13 |
| nemo | but they do compress well | 17:13 |
| nemo | 2 gig swap. what is it smoking | 17:13 |
| nemo | how on earth can it think using â…“ of available disc space for swap is a good idea | 17:13 |
| fsmithred | obviously stronger than anything I can get here in Massachusetts | 17:14 |
| nemo | hm. had to switch to another machine since I have no idea how to release keyboard/mouse capture in qemu ☺ | 17:14 |
| nemo | tried a few random things without success | 17:15 |
| debdog | default is ctrl-alt | 17:15 |
| nemo | ah hah | 17:15 |
| nemo | a message appeared "ctrl-alt-g to lease grab" yay | 17:15 |
| fsmithred | left ctrl-alt | 17:16 |
| fsmithred | or that | 17:16 |
| fsmithred | not sure what makes it need the g or not | 17:17 |
| nemo | fsmithred: aaagh. failed to pay attention in setup and didn't select the defaults I wanted (desktop/webserver/console tools) | 17:50 |
| nemo | gotta watch out with that installer. hitting enter at wrong time when it's not focused on what you think it is ☹ | 17:50 |
| fsmithred | I don't read what it says anymore | 17:51 |
| fsmithred | you're getting the full default desktop? | 17:52 |
| nemo | fsmithred: it's going to be on whatever the defaults of that dialog were.. I guess I'll install what I want later. | 17:52 |
| fsmithred | probably desktop, print server and standard system utils | 17:53 |
| nemo | fsmithred: btw errored again | 19:27 |
| nemo | but | 19:27 |
| nemo | focusing on right error this time | 19:27 |
| nemo | "Failed to fetch http://deb.devuan.org/merged/pool/DEBIAN/main/libw/libwnck3/gir1.2-wnck-3.0_3.30.0-2_amd64.deb" | 19:28 |
| nemo | connection reset by peer | 19:28 |
| nemo | hm. or maybe it's "Configuring 'ksel' failed with error code 1 - but they could be same thing | 19:28 |
| nemo | *tries again* | 19:29 |
| nemo | fsmithred: so. much much much much later it *finally* finished installing | 20:58 |
| nemo | fsmithred: I see we have a choice of inits YAY | 20:58 |
| nemo | and a clear warning | 20:58 |
| fsmithred | yeah, you get that with regular install or expert. Can't miss it. | 20:58 |
| nemo | *picks sysv* | 20:58 |
| nemo | fsmithred: so... on to next thing I would count on virtualbox to do. routing to/from the new VM to rest of world | 21:19 |
| nemo | fsmithred: how do you setup port forwards or transparent routing with qemu? | 21:20 |
| nemo | yes I could JFDDG/JFGI but since you offered and you seem to still be here ☺ | 21:20 |
| fsmithred | probably with bridge networking | 21:20 |
| nemo | hm... I guess I could also use a one-off tunnel for what I need at the moment. but would be good to learn I guess | 21:21 |
| nemo | and would be more elegant to have it setup without an ssh out | 21:21 |
| fsmithred | which I don't know well enough to explain | 21:22 |
| fsmithred | I assume you want to ssh in | 21:23 |
| fsmithred | there's a way to set up host-only network, but that has limited use | 21:23 |
| nemo | fsmithred: ssh in and in particular vnc in | 21:27 |
| fsmithred | read about bridge networking in qemu | 21:30 |
| fsmithred | you really don't want me to guide you through that | 21:30 |
| nemo | fsmithred: m'k. if it's anything like bridging in other VMs, was a painful process indeed | 21:33 |
| nemo | was hoping there might be something trivial | 21:33 |
| fsmithred | yup | 21:33 |
| fsmithred | I have it working so that I can run two or three VMs at once and give each a different tap device | 21:34 |
| nemo | for what I'm trying to get done right now, maybe I'll just do the ssh one-off | 21:34 |
| nemo | not waste too much time | 21:34 |
| fsmithred | but it doesn't work right. Two get the same ip address | 21:34 |
| fsmithred | unless I set a static address in the VM | 21:34 |
| fsmithred | you need ssh just to/from the host machine for now? | 21:36 |
| nemo | fsmithred: what I'm wanting to do is setup a basic interactive "interview" machine | 21:37 |
| nemo | fsmithred: so what I plan to do is port forward VNC to some external machine by sshing out of the VM | 21:37 |
| nemo | fsmithred: then I can request some interviewee connect to my domain so we can watch them work | 21:38 |
| fsmithred | test | 21:38 |
| fsmithred | oops | 21:38 |
| nemo | bridging would be tidier, but, in a hurry to get this out of the way and sounds like more pain than I want to inflict on myself | 21:38 |
| ullet | 8 | 21:44 |
| fsmithred | without any networking options, I can ssh out of the VM to a machine on my local net | 21:45 |
| nemo | yeah. that almost always works ☺ | 21:46 |
| nemo | but good to know | 21:46 |
| fsmithred | I don't think I can get in (well not without a server running) | 21:46 |
| nemo | fsmithred: well. you can run a server then port forward ssh. but in this case I only need vnc | 21:46 |
| fsmithred | I always do vnc over ssh | 21:47 |
| nemo | fsmithred: doesn't help since it's a random remote interviewee | 21:47 |
| nemo | but they won't be doing anything sensitive | 21:47 |
| fsmithred | who's running the VM? You or them? | 21:47 |
| nemo | won't even require any passwords apart from the vnc one which I'll change afterwards | 21:47 |
| nemo | fsmithred: I'm going to run the VM, and relay vnc to an externally acessible port and IP | 21:48 |
| nemo | fsmithred: I'm then going to ask them to connect to it using vnc so I can watch their progress on some simple programming | 21:48 |
| nemo | fsmithred: asking them to use ssh relay seemed like a step too much to me in terms of fragility | 21:48 |
| fsmithred | ok, so they're running a vnc client, using your VM, and you can watch your VM | 21:48 |
| nemo | with no idea as to remote env | 21:48 |
| fsmithred | make sense | 21:48 |
| nemo | yep | 21:48 |
| nemo | fsmithred: gonna allow boss to vnc in view-only too to watch | 21:49 |
| fsmithred | lol | 21:49 |
| nemo | normally this would be in a conference room and we'd shoulder surf | 21:49 |
| nemo | but covid | 21:49 |
| fsmithred | yeah, good plan | 21:49 |
| fsmithred | which reminds me... almost time to check the daily numbers | 21:50 |
| nemo | hm interesting. qemu *does* have a vnc option | 21:54 |
| nemo | but. eh. tigervnc is probably better anyway | 21:54 |
| nemo | plus this way I can watch directly | 21:54 |
| nemo | fsmithred: don't suppose you know of a way to tell qemu to sync host/vm X paste buffer? | 22:03 |
| fsmithred | no, I don't | 22:03 |
| fsmithred | I just use ssh/sftp | 22:03 |
| ullet | tigervnc is the new good vnc? | 22:06 |
| ullet | so many options. is freenx still a thing? | 22:06 |
| openbsdtai123 | there is a bug to format mkfs.ext3 and mkfs.ext4 in devuan AMD64 (ascii). it hangs. | 22:06 |
| ullet | bisect | 22:08 |
| nemo | ullet: it probably is, but wanted something likely to work reliably on any arbitrary remote client | 22:11 |
| nemo | ullet: vnc is kinda lowest common denominator | 22:11 |
| nemo | although I'll offer tigervnc executable if they want it | 22:11 |
| nemo | ullet: I do like tigervnc. works pretty reliably, has a nice control panel with paste syncing | 22:11 |
| ullet | did you evaluate the various vncs | 22:12 |
| ullet | ? | 22:12 |
| ullet | wondering if i should read up or just go with tigervnc | 22:12 |
| nemo | ullet: I've used a few over years. I'd used tightvnc until recently when I was having stability/performance problems then switched to tiger | 22:12 |
| * nemo shrugs | 22:12 | |
| ullet | ty for info | 22:12 |
| nemo | reading up is probably a good idea if you care | 22:12 |
| nemo | tiger seems maintained more recently | 22:12 |
| ullet | i want to prune all unnecessary reading | 22:13 |
| nemo | then yes. random person on internet tells you TigerVNC is good. TigerVNC is one true choice | 22:13 |
| nemo | obey random person | 22:13 |
| * nemo looks expectently | 22:13 | |
| nemo | *expectantly. | 22:13 |
| ullet | i will comply until i have a problem with tigervnc | 22:13 |
| nemo | my english gets crappier the more french I use | 22:13 |
| nemo | ullet: DISPLAY=:1 tigervncconfig | 22:14 |
| nemo | for syncing of pastebuffer and other things | 22:14 |
| ullet | ty | 22:14 |
| ullet | github has become my repository and that's mildly concerning | 22:16 |
| nemo | ullet: I agree | 22:17 |
| nemo | for many reasons ☺ | 22:17 |
| ullet | also an intelligent chatter in #devuan is already not 'a random person' ;) | 22:19 |
| ullet | /6 | 22:29 |
| nemo | fsmithred: hm. since installer prompts for UTF-8 and English United States, why on earth does it not uncomment en_US.UTF-8 in locale.gen when you pick those? | 23:20 |
| fsmithred | ? | 23:20 |
| nemo | /etc/locale.gen was undefined | 23:20 |
| nemo | not a big deal. just locale errors until it's uncommented and locale-gen run | 23:22 |
| fsmithred | oh, you used a beta iso? The locale settings don't get transferred to the installed system. | 23:22 |
| fsmithred | That seems to be fixed in the latest mini.iso | 23:22 |
| nemo | fsmithred: yeah. that's why I was being more diligent than usual to report anomalies | 23:25 |
| nemo | fsmithred: since you'd pointed me at beta2 | 23:25 |
| nemo | figured it might help | 23:25 |
| fsmithred | thanks | 23:25 |
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