gnarface | if ejr comes back, someone do encourage them to make sure to try the xserver-xorg-legacy package. the more i'm thinking about this the more i seem to recall that it was the modesetting driver not the intel one that could run without suid root now | 01:33 |
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gnarface | though for the intel one i can't even be sure that is the same case for every single piece of hardware it supports | 01:33 |
gnarface | (it may only require it for certain DRI features) | 01:34 |
ebisu | How do I make ntpd work on Devuan 3? | 03:06 |
fsmithred | apt install ntp | 03:21 |
fsmithred | then add some time servers to /etc/ntp.conf | 03:22 |
fsmithred | (talking to myself again) | 03:22 |
mason | fsmithred: Sometimes it's the only way to find intelligent conversation. | 03:23 |
jungleprimes | yeah, there has been a bunch of that across the rooms today | 03:23 |
jungleprimes | quick jumpers | 03:23 |
onefang | Should come with some default time servers. | 03:23 |
fsmithred | like they have somewhere to go? | 03:23 |
mason | time-a.nist.gov works as a default for me, but having several is better | 03:23 |
fsmithred | I just use ntpdate on most of my systems | 03:24 |
mason | That can be rough for some services. | 03:25 |
jungleprimes | (the installer sets up ntp in a decent default for home use way) | 03:25 |
jungleprimes | and if you want to make an NTP server | 03:25 |
jungleprimes | easy enough to edit the config and go | 03:25 |
jungleprimes | chrony is cool | 03:27 |
jungleprimes | has some nice features on top of NTP | 03:27 |
mason | https://chrony.tuxfamily.org/comparison.html | 03:28 |
xrogaan | Huh, I just realized that 7zip for linux is unmaintained and unmaintainable. | 05:25 |
aaro | in linux you use xz for the same level of compression | 05:29 |
ullet | morning! hi fsmithred i saw you posted beowulf arm images. thanks! | 07:25 |
ullet | i notice there are .dts files from Khadas for the Khadas Vim3. Is there a way you could include those? There are some ubuntu and debian images on their site. Could we take the .dts from one of those? | 07:26 |
xrogaan | aaro: it's more about interoperability, how many people know about xz? Hello, a lot of people continue to use Rar. | 08:16 |
scramblez | Hi all, I'm trying to boot into a qemu qcow2 image and it complains about I/O error for a floppy. After a while "Gave up waiting for root file system device. ... ALERT! /dev/sda1/ does not exist" | 12:13 |
scramblez | I also tried booting it with EFI instead of BIOS and it fails completely | 12:14 |
scramblez | Ah! OK, I added --no-floppy in the kernel line and then it tries to boot, but it can't find /dev/sda1 | 12:24 |
scramblez | Perhaps I need to add this in the kernel line too? | 12:24 |
scramblez | Yes, switching /dev/sda1 to /dev/vda1 solved this problem | 12:30 |
ham5urg | Has anybody got 3d-kvm in its virtual machine running? | 13:22 |
ullet | very nice bash script git clone https://github.com/aristocratos/bashtop | 13:26 |
zatumil | how does it look in a 80 columns terminal? | 14:02 |
ullet | not so hot | 14:02 |
ullet | also it uses rather much cpu | 14:03 |
ullet | but the layout is fantastic for 'at a glance' seeing what network and cpu is doing historically | 14:03 |
fsmithred | ullet, when it comes to arm, I am only a messenger. What's a .dts file? | 14:18 |
fsmithred | the arm images in the installer tree (on pkgmaster.devuan.org) are created as part of the installer build. The images on arm-files.devuan.org were made by tuxd3v. | 14:21 |
ullet | how could i assist getting Khadas VIM3 supported fsmithred ? | 14:24 |
ullet | it's a reeally zippy little sbc | 14:25 |
fsmithred | "supported" is a hazy area when it comes to arm. | 14:25 |
fsmithred | you can create an image and share it with others in the arm forum and #devuan-arm channel. | 14:26 |
ullet | does that irc channel still need to be locked to unregistered freenode users? | 14:27 |
fsmithred | I don't know | 14:28 |
fsmithred | is it locked? | 14:28 |
ullet | yes | 14:35 |
ham5urg | What is the purpose of the installed exim4 after a standard installation? | 16:59 |
fsmithred | send system mail to root or first user | 17:00 |
ham5urg | how to handle such emails in a network? could I configure exim4 to send mails to root@example.com? | 17:01 |
fsmithred | I think so. Should be a simple config. | 17:01 |
xinomilo | if you need system email for simple stuff, there's also much lighter msmtp-mta | 17:02 |
ham5urg | xinomilo, exim4 is the default. How to change it? | 17:07 |
xinomilo | apt install msmtp-mta | 17:09 |
ham5urg | I'm looking at https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch08s05.html.en Which one is the correct one? I would like to have no local delivery (neither for root) and forward all to an external site. | 17:14 |
ham5urg | 'internet site'? | 17:15 |
xinomilo | for exim : "mail sent by smarthost; no local mail" probably | 17:17 |
Akuli | on beowulf, how to 'sudo apt install foo' such that 'foo' becomes the version that it was back in ascii? | 17:44 |
slvr | you can add the ascii repo with a lower priority and specify that you want to use that repo at install time. | 17:45 |
slvr | then pin the package. | 17:45 |
slvr | er, 'hold' | 17:45 |
Akuli | nice to know, turns out that i don't need that after all | 17:52 |
Akuli | 'foo' is actually mate-system-monitor, which has the old behaviour as an option in the menu, it's just different by default | 17:52 |
gnarface | ham5urg: be smart. be cautious. don't send your root mail to google. | 17:59 |
gnarface | ham5urg: (the official advise is never to send it off the system, but i know that may be impractical in some cases, just make sure you never send it to a server that you or your corporate entity doesn't fully own) | 18:00 |
ham5urg | gnarface, no, emails are going to my email server, my domain for which I pay for. | 18:01 |
LucasRamage[m] | So does devuan aim to support arbitray packages not available upstream? | 18:46 |
gnarface | no | 18:47 |
LucasRamage[m] | Perhaps my question should go to #devuan-dev instead | 18:47 |
gnarface | possibly. there is ascii-proposed, and beowulf-proposed | 18:48 |
gnarface | but for the most part they try to push fixes upstream and recommend new packages come in that way too | 18:48 |
ejr | hi. why would username not be allowed to do e.g. sudo ifconfig when username is aprt of the sudo group? | 19:42 |
ejr | because i have this issue on my fresh beowulf install | 19:42 |
MinceR | probably because the line in sudoers that allows sudo group to use sudo is commented | 19:42 |
MinceR | edit it with visudo | 19:42 |
ejr | i did that | 19:42 |
bgstack15 | you can check what commands your user is allowed to run: sudo -l | 19:43 |
bgstack15 | that's lowercase L as in Lima | 19:43 |
bgstack15 | perhaps the sudoers group has some limitations on what it can run. I've also seen people get confused when sudo asks for a password. | 19:43 |
ejr | ahhh! i think i had a type on my visudo entry ._. | 19:43 |
ejr | ALL;ALL instead of ALL:ALL | 19:44 |
ejr | that's probably it... | 19:44 |
bgstack15 | If you want to omit the password query, you need to modify your sudoers line with: NOPASSWD: /bin/command | 19:44 |
bgstack15 | That would do it too | 19:44 |
MinceR | another possible reason is if the user logged in before they were added to the sudo group :> | 19:44 |
bgstack15 | ooh, good thinking | 19:44 |
ejr | thanks for the hint with sudo -l bkstack15, if not for that I would not have seen the typo spelled out so clearly anytime soon. lol | 19:45 |
gnarface | hey ejr did you get the xorg issue solved? after you left it was mentioned you should try the xorg-server-legacy package, which should add the suid root wrapper for xorg (after further thinking on it, i recalled that it was probably a different driver that could be run without it) | 19:46 |
ejr | gnarface: no, i didnt. I did a fresh install this afternoon (and am setting it up right now). | 19:46 |
ejr | But thanks for asking :) | 19:46 |
gnarface | ejr: on some platforms, xorg will select the modesetting (aka KMS) driver for Intel video chips by default, which in recent versions can be run fully in user mode. but i noticed from your logs you're using the actual Intel one by name. i forgot to ask if you got that by adding it to a custom xorg.conf or if it is passing over the modsetting driver for you all on it's own | 19:48 |
gnarface | ejr: with the xorg-server-legacy package installed, it should work for every user in the "video" group | 19:48 |
ejr | well, i never set up any intel driver manually afaicr | 19:49 |
gnarface | ok, noted. that's not important here i was just curious wtf it's doing | 19:49 |
gnarface | running it with the suid-root wrapper wouldn't be as secure as just running it as a bare user, but it looks like there's ultimately no way around that if you want any sort of hardware acceleration capabilities | 19:50 |
gnarface | it does make me wonder if you'd be able to tell it to load the modesetting driver instead and get it to work as your own user but i can't be sure it's worth the effort even to test that | 19:50 |
gnarface | if it's picking the Intel one by default it probably has a good reason | 19:51 |
ejr | when i have set up my system, i might try if you'd like me to | 19:51 |
gnarface | well, just make sure the xorg-server-legacy package and being in the "video" group is enough first. | 19:52 |
gnarface | testing the modesetting driver for this isn't a high value task | 19:52 |
ejr | ok, i will get back to you later on this for sure | 19:52 |
ejr | (need to get finished with my config first so that i'm set for work) | 19:53 |
fsmithred | you also need to add 'needs_root_rights=yes' to /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config | 19:54 |
fsmithred | xserver-xorg-legacy | 19:55 |
gnarface | fsmithred: doesn't it do that automatically? | 20:09 |
gnarface | mine is working here and i don't have that in there | 20:09 |
gnarface | it has this instead: allowed_users=console | 20:09 |
gnarface | and a comment to use "dpkg-reconfigure x11-common" if you want the file regenerated | 20:10 |
fsmithred | If I can remember which VM I used to test that, I'll try it without the line. | 20:10 |
gnarface | i guess i can't be sure i didn't make that change myself, this system has crossed a lot of upgrades | 20:10 |
fsmithred | what I said to do is what we have in ascii release notes | 20:11 |
gnarface | ah, so it might have simply changed since then | 20:11 |
gnarface | since this is ceres here | 20:11 |
fsmithred | not working here without the line. This is ceres. | 20:13 |
fsmithred | do you have elogind installed? | 20:13 |
gnarface | noep | 20:17 |
gnarface | nope* | 20:17 |
gnarface | oh | 20:17 |
gnarface | i don't have a graphical login either though | 20:17 |
gnarface | i just run startx | 20:17 |
gnarface | and i am in the "video" group | 20:17 |
fsmithred | I'm in video group here | 20:21 |
Guest48151 | *i don't have a graphical login either though*, gnarface | 21:46 |
Guest48151 | gnarface: did you know about ly? | 21:47 |
Guest48151 | https://github.com/cylgom/ly | 21:47 |
gnarface | heh, i did not know about that. that's cute | 22:07 |
furrywolf | "pecifically designed not to depend on logind. You should be able to make it work easily with a better init" sounds like we have common opinions. :) | 22:08 |
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