libera/#devuan/ Wednesday, 2020-05-27

trogplarmy horse for a dtb and uboot and kernel03:47
XenguyMy kingdom for a horse!05:01
phoggXenguy: apt-get install seahorse # best I can do on short notice05:11
XenguyMuch better than cowsay phogg , thank you again!05:12
phoggwhen do I get my kingdom?05:13
XenguyThe meek shall inherit the earth05:13
XenguyThat's when05:13
XenguyOr, that's what they want you to believe05:14
XenguyStay meek, oh yeah05:14
phoggperfect, I'm hella meek05:14
XenguyMeek is where the revolution is not05:14
XenguyBut it does help in getting along with other people, no doubt05:15
XenguyBut we usually go to #debianfork to chat about off-topic stuff, so we should probably05:15
trogplarwell i did ubuntu-devuan 'the hard way' but am scared to reboot now05:16
XenguyScared of what?05:17
trogplarbut apt update && apt upgrade seems to works05:17
XenguyThat's what Debian/Devuan is famous for IMHO, seamless online upgrades...05:17
XenguyI tried out Ubu way back when, and it failed, so I went back to Debian for that hotness05:18
XenguyOf course now I'm here, but same difference05:18
XenguyAlmost05:18
phoggtrogplar: if you didn't screw up the bootloader it should be recoverable in any case. Got a rescue disc/flash drive just in case?05:22
trogplaryes05:22
trogplarbut i really want new kernel so i'll have to lern to build with vendor patches05:22
trogplarand i think that means i need to rebuild uboot to use a new kernel or can i use vandor-s supplied uboot05:23
trogplarand just change the settings to point to the new kernel?05:23
trogplarbtw greetings fellow brother-in-'og'05:24
systemdleteInteresting.  I lost sound in my ascii VM today.  I tried all sorts of things to bring it back.  I looked at the system logs, the vbox log, double-checked the alsamixer controls.  I googled for this and found a ticket which suggested pretty much what I've discovered about this bug:  You have to restart the vm.05:25
systemdleteOK, fine.  SO I try to logout and I'm told input/output error.05:25
systemdlete???  The kern.log shows that there are errors on sata drives... but there might be a problem with that because... uhm.  VMs don't have real hardware.  So I checked the host kern.log; no errors, no mention of an issue.05:26
systemdleteAny ideas before I go hollar on the vbox channel?05:26
systemdleteI can't even shut the system down from root because it tells me... uh... input/output error05:27
systemdleteMy VM is having a very bad day.05:27
trogplarmaybe the vm image is on a seagate sata drive connected over usb05:27
systemdletemaybe. But it isnt.  I am using vdi drives05:28
systemdleteand even if it were, I'd expect to see errors somewhere on the host, right?05:28
trogplarhow dare you refute my conjecture with evidence05:28
systemdlete(although, usb maybe not)05:28
trogplaryes05:28
systemdleteso sorry05:28
systemdletedidn't mean to offend05:28
systemdleteI'm just plain frustrated... and getting pissed.  I thought this bug had been fixed long ago.  I haven't run into this in a long time05:29
trogplari can't imagine real drive errors being revealed in the vm. it has to be a bug with vbox, it seems05:29
systemdleteI tend to think so also.05:29
systemdleteI did do an update/upgrade earlier today...05:30
systemdleteI don't remember which packages I updated though05:30
systemdleteI suppose I could look at the history.log05:30
trogplari'd sell my foot for a good memory05:30
systemdlete(me too, trogplar, me too)05:30
onefangMight be a corrupted VM disk image?05:34
n0a110wi just stumbled upon this, gopher://46.105.191.7608:21
n0a110wis that an official devuan gopher?08:22
n0a110ws/is/was/08:23
gnarfaceafaik there was never an official devuan gopher, there was just the one someone put up as an april fool's joke08:27
n0a110wi suppose that could still be it, then08:29
gnarfacei don't know if that is it or not08:29
n0a110wit seems to resolve to web.devuan.org08:29
n0a110wnevermind that08:31
frabbitis there a way to use libressl instead of openssl in devuan?09:16
HumI installed docker-ce and cannot remove it now. dpkg -r recommends to reinstall it first to remove it. Aptitude shows Cr as package mode. Do you have hints, how to remove it without reinstalling10:36
dinoRAWRi feel bad i have used debian so many years and don't know the answer10:44
Hurgotronman dpkg,  --force-remove-reinstreq  looks promising10:45
HumHurgotron: Thx, dpkg doesn't work well there. I still have docker-ce10:47
HumAhh, I installed the /etc/init.d/docker script manually and now I moved it away and docker-ce was removed10:49
dinoRAWRi'm a fan of dpkg -P --force-all but i like breaking stuff10:49
HumdinoRAWR: debian SID ?! ;)10:49
dinoRAWRwas always a cid kid10:50
dinoRAWRsid10:50
Hum:D10:52
tomtasticIs ceres chimaera currently?11:33
dinoRAWRwhat does that mean tomtastic ?11:34
tomtasticDevuan ceres is like sid right (it always points to unstable) ?11:35
dinoRAWRthat's what i thought11:35
xinomiloyes, ceres = sid11:35
tomtasticBut Chimaera is the next release after Beowulf11:35
tomtasticSo, does Ceres point to the same packages as Chimaera currently ?11:36
dinoRAWRthere is no chimaera currently so11:36
onefangChimaera does exist, though I have no idea if it's in a usable shape.11:38
dinoRAWRdo i understand right, that when chimera is released, it will have the current packages in sid/ceres?11:39
dinoRAWRmaybe with a bit of lag11:40
tomtastic"Get:11 https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged chimaera/main amd64 Packages [7,830 kB]" <-- There's certainly something there....11:40
tomtasticWas just curious, I'll go back to bleeding edge installs from ceres11:46
tomtasticI really wish Debian would hurry up and get the nodejs package version bumped up to v1211:47
fsmithredchimaera=bullseye12:21
palinurohello everyone13:22
palinuroi'm trying to develop an automatic mirror redirector for devuan based on the parrot os infrastructure (mirrorbits+redis+nginx) and i would like to have more detals about the devuan mirror structure and the whole amprolla setup13:24
onefangWhat do you need to know about the mirrors?  I can't help much with Amprolla though.13:26
palinuroonefang how do you differentiate the deb repository from the iso archive? does a single repository with both the devuan packages and the merged packages exist in the same pool folder or at least in the same folder tree? and where do i get a full mirrors list of both iso and packages?13:43
onefangIf a mirror has both packages and ISOs then it will typically have a "devuan" folder for packages, and a "devuan-cd" folder for the ISOs.13:46
dinoRAWRi don't understand any of these issues.  thank you for devuan.  works for me ™!13:46
onefangPackage mirrors have the option of redirecting to Debian package mirrors, redirecting to their own package mirror, or hosting the lot.  They redirect on paths with DEBIAN or DEBIAN-SECURITY in them.13:48
onefanghttps://devuan.org/get-devuan is the list of ISO mirrors, and https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt is the list of package mirrors.  The later is machine readable, I use that for apt-panopticon.13:49
onefanghttps://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan_mirror_walkthrough.txt might be useful to you.13:50
palinurookok thank you. i have to make 3 different redirection engines for each file tree (iso, devuan debs, debian debs), but if it works it would be very interesting15:16
palinuroonefang, when i try to access a debian package from the devuan merged repository, how is the debian mirror selected?15:20
onefangdeb.devuan.org is a round robin DNS if you are using that.  The specific redirection is up to the mirror, but they should follow the devuan_mirror_walkthrough.txt instructions.15:24
onefangSo /merged/pool/DEBIAN/ -> http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/  and  /merged/pool/DEBIAN-SECURITY/ -> http://deb.debian.org/debian-security/pool/15:25
onefangBut those that have their own Debian mirror as well as the Devuan mirror, would do similar redirects to that Debian mirror.15:25
onefangAfter that it's up to the Debian mirror system to direct things.15:26
palinurookok got it15:38
palinuroso i can do 2 mirrorbits instances instead of 3, way simpler :)15:38
Xelraais there a pxe installer for devuan?16:05
Xelraawhen will beuwulf go stable?16:05
Xelraaascii feels too old already16:06
Humafter reboot gajim wants to unlock the keyring. I don't use the keyring. If I click cancel gajim crashes.16:08
fsmithredXelraa, poke around under installer-<ARCH> for pxe boot files16:10
fsmithredright now, I think just the live isos are holding up beowulf's release16:11
Humsolved by: https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/GNOME_Schl%C3%BCsselbund/#Keyring-Daemon-deaktivieren16:13
xinomiloHum, in MATE DE installing libpam-gnome-keyring, solves it16:15
Humxinomilo: strange, I deactivate it and it works and you install a package :/16:18
xinomilodeactivate might be better, don't know if anything else requires gnome-keyring16:22
palinurodone :) https://git.devuan.org/palinuro/mirror-director16:53
palinuronow testing16:53
onefangpalinuro: I'm off to bed.  Lemme know how it goes.17:04
palinurohttp://devuan.parrot.sh18:00
palinurohttps cert and cdn coming soon18:00
palinuroit's syncing18:00
crashoverrideis parrot moving away from debian in order to use devuan as a base?18:01
crashoverridethat would be outstanding news.18:01
crashoverrideif that happens, I'd be using parrot as my base OS for anything "linux".18:03
targzThere was always the possibility of his migration to Devuan, did the day come?18:08
crashoverridepalinuro: also, since you're here: the anonsurf script connects to start.parrotsec.org/ip/ to get the public IP of the running instance, but that gets redirected to parrotsec.org/ip/ and returns 404.18:09
crashoverridenot that it's a big deal beacuse that's not the only service returning people's public IP addresses, but it is a bit sad :P18:09
palinurowe are still working on the migration to devuan that would eventually involve our upcoming LTS branch, while the rolling branch will stay on debian18:52
palinurop.s. i will fix the ip retrieval soon. anonsurf is up to receive a big upgrade18:53
targzpalinuro: excellent, thanks18:59
openbsdtai123hi, how to run XMMS on devuan ascii ?19:19
debdogmayhap xmms2-launcher19:21
debdogor xmms2d19:22
openbsdtai123is not xmms to be deleted ?19:22
debdoghttps://packages.debian.org/stretch/amd64/xmms2-core/filelist19:22
openbsdtai123outdate19:22
openbsdtai123xmms is very old19:22
crashoverridepalinuro: also, currently, if you're up to date with updates, golismero won't install.19:23
crashoverridewrong version of python I believe.19:23
crashoverridemaybe #devuan is the wrong place to report this, but since you're here...19:23
palinurocrashoverride, isn't golismero based on python2? because it is deprecated and we are slowly deleting all the python2 packages19:48
some_alexonefang: You said I could talk about setting up a mirror at #devuan-dev, but I'm not permitted to send messages there for some reason. Can unregistered nickname be the problem?19:59
openbsdtai123Is there a apt-src to compile all like deboostrap using CVS ?20:43
openbsdtai123base system + kernel linux (from cvs and make):20:44
crashoverrideyeah I think it is21:10
crashoverridepalinuro: ^21:10
crashoverrideI'll check if I can rewrite it or port it21:11
CynicusAnyone here manage to get eosio installed on Devuan?22:58
CynicusIs it safe to install ubuntu packages on a Devuan system?23:13
golinuxNo!23:21
CynicusGotcha.23:31
CynicusHave to do it piecemeal.23:32

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