| Hurgotron | sauron-: pm-hibernate and pm-suspend | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| sauron- | Hurgotron what do i have to type to disable that? the man pm-hibernate doesnt tell | 00:07 |
| Hurgotron | sauron-: Just the command, no parameters. | 00:11 |
| sauron- | used sudo pm-hibernate and went to hibernation | 00:12 |
| sauron- | thats what i want to disable | 00:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I don't believe there are options for that. You would have to control the commands with users and permissions. | 00:12 |
| Hurgotron | ah, disable... sorry, misread. | 00:12 |
| sauron- | in that case... how do i set in power do nothing when close screen in my laptop? | 00:13 |
| Hurgotron | Simply remove the commands? :) | 00:13 |
| Hurgotron | Energy management. | 00:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It's not just a simple one line command you will have to look into how to make those permissions and test them | 00:13 |
| systemdlete2 | exim4 is supposed to work out of the box, for a minimalistic configuration? I run lsof and I don't see exim4 listening on ANYthing | 00:53 |
| Xenguy | haha | 00:53 |
| systemdlete2 | Trying to figure out what needs twiddling by looking at man pages, etc | 00:54 |
| Xenguy | Sorry, just laughing | 00:54 |
| systemdlete2 | no problem. | 00:54 |
| Xenguy | It should work out of the box... | 00:54 |
| Xenguy | And I'll stick my neck out and say... | 00:54 |
| systemdlete2 | I even ran dpkg-reconfigure | 00:54 |
| systemdlete2 | and say... | 00:55 |
| systemdlete2 | ??? | 00:55 |
| Xenguy | Although exim has always been the default MTA for Debian/Devuan, I absolutely preferred working with Postfix, having used both | 00:55 |
| systemdlete2 | yeah. Seems I normally end up removing exim4 and replacing it with postfix also | 00:55 |
| Xenguy | I don't know why they just didn't bite the bullet and replace the default with Postfix | 00:55 |
| systemdlete2 | OK, thanks for the reality check. | 00:56 |
| Xenguy | But whatever, that's life | 00:56 |
| systemdlete2 | that's linux | 00:56 |
| Xenguy | hah, yeh | 00:56 |
| systemdlete2 | well... | 00:56 |
| Xenguy | I don't want to hijack your thread though | 00:56 |
| Xenguy | You have a problem with exim it seems | 00:56 |
| systemdlete2 | actually, that's debian with systemd, after surgery to remove systemd | 00:56 |
| Xenguy | yep | 00:57 |
| systemdlete2 | yep | 00:57 |
| systemdlete2 | I hate this. | 00:57 |
| Xenguy | It's annoying, certainly | 00:57 |
| Xenguy | But not insurmountable | 00:57 |
| systemdlete2 | It doesn't end with just this package though... (right) | 00:57 |
| systemdlete2 | we have a workaround | 00:57 |
| Xenguy | Well share if you have something useful | 00:58 |
| systemdlete2 | just postfix, that's all | 00:59 |
| systemdlete2 | there might be another MTA out there, idk | 00:59 |
| Xenguy | Oh, OK, you move fast | 00:59 |
| systemdlete2 | Yes, I have learned to give up quickly with these things... | 00:59 |
| Xenguy | Postfix is top-notch, I really enjoyed using it, and it is supposedly designed with 'security' in mind | 01:00 |
| Xenguy | I trust it | 01:00 |
| systemdlete2 | Let's hope that postfix is systemd-proof | 01:00 |
| Xenguy | Good question | 01:00 |
| systemdlete2 | It's easy to configure and runs without problems; I agree. | 01:00 |
| Xenguy | Something tells me yes, but do your own research | 01:01 |
| gnarface | systemdlete2: it's "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" | 01:28 |
| systemdlete2 | I did that. | 01:28 |
| gnarface | did it ask any questions? | 01:28 |
| systemdlete2 | But I have postfix working, thanks | 01:28 |
| gnarface | alright, nevermind then | 01:28 |
| systemdlete2 | (yes, it did. And I answered all of them with the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I swear I did.) | 01:29 |
| gnarface | you can imply what it listens on in there by specifying addresses | 01:30 |
| gnarface | if you ever actually need to get exim4 working, it's something i've studied | 01:30 |
| gnarface | it's very good actually but i admit i bought and read their book | 01:31 |
| gnarface | it's possible the whole thing won't make any sense whatsoever without reading the book | 01:31 |
| gnarface | but the upshot is that every problem i had with it before turned out to be me mistaking how it would treat the strings you feed to it in the dpkg-reconfigure fields | 01:31 |
| Xenguy | gnarface: Did you ever try Postfix? | 01:32 |
| Xenguy | Or are you happy with Exim? | 01:32 |
| gnarface | Xenguy: after sendmail, anything is better. (and yea, i read the sendmail book too, so it's an apples-to-apples comparison) | 01:33 |
| gnarface | Xenguy: but no, i didn't try postfix because i have a deep-seated fear of trusting a database with my mail | 01:33 |
| gnarface | Xenguy: i have heard it's much easier to set up though | 01:33 |
| Xenguy | That's very funny gnarface , thank you for that humor | 01:33 |
| Xenguy | I've seen that mention of concern re: database, perhaps it was you ; -) | 01:34 |
| gnarface | when postfix first came out it was a real cause of commotion | 01:34 |
| gnarface | that was considered quite a risk back then | 01:34 |
| Xenguy | All I know is that it is intentionally designed for (good) security, and it seemed to work like a charm when I tried it | 01:35 |
| gnarface | open source databases have admittedly improved a lot in the mean time... | 01:35 |
| Xenguy | Well as you mention, sendmail was the gold standard back in the day... | 01:36 |
| gnarface | yea but it was just all we had, really | 01:36 |
| Xenguy | There ya go, it was first, that's all | 01:37 |
| Xenguy | Nowadays, I'm thinking Postfix or Exim, either/or | 01:37 |
| gnarface | the folks at The University of Cambridge did a really good job on exim4 but it's clear that it was invented in a university research lab | 01:37 |
| Xenguy | Can we talk about this stuff here? | 01:37 |
| gnarface | eh, we should take it to #debianfork probably | 01:38 |
| Xenguy | Sure, let's do | 01:38 |
| mtnman | is there a channel for devuan embedded? | 02:01 |
| mtnman | help | 02:04 |
| Xenguy | I need somebody! | 02:26 |
| gnarface | if mtnman comes back, he's probably looking for #devuan-arm | 02:26 |
| Xenguy | Not just anybody! | 02:26 |
| beaglebonius | hello, i have installed devuan_ascii_2.0.0_armhf_beagleboneblack.img to an sd card and booted the BBB from that card. how can i gain network access? neither wicd nor manpages are available on that system.... | 02:27 |
| Xenguy | oops, try the netinstall instead? | 02:28 |
| beaglebonius | i don't think netinstall is available for the beaglebone black, i have only located disk images for it. | 02:30 |
| Xenguy | good luck then | 02:32 |
| beaglebonius | thank you | 02:32 |
| frabbit | hi. | 02:33 |
| frabbit | theres this open firmware package for atheros: firmware-ath9k-htc | 02:34 |
| frabbit | in debian: https://packages.debian.org/buster/firmware-ath9k-htc | 02:34 |
| frabbit | it contains the open-firmware version: https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc/open_firmware | 02:34 |
| frabbit | is it possible to make this packages in devuan too? cant get it throught backports... | 02:35 |
| frabbit | *available in devuan ascii | 02:36 |
| frabbit | it is available in beowulf: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=firmware-ath9k-htc&release=beowulf | 02:36 |
| frabbit_ | or can i just download it and install it with dpkg, it has no dependencies, will ist cause problems anyway? | 02:42 |
| frabbit_ | arg.. disconnected again... >=o | 02:42 |
| Xenguy | frabbit: direct install with dpkg should work fine, just don't mix versions | 02:46 |
| Xenguy | There's also 'checkinstall' | 02:46 |
| Xenguy | I really like that one | 02:47 |
| frabbit | Xenguy: ok. nah theres no version of that package in ascii. | 02:49 |
| frabbit | Xenguy: thx =) | 02:54 |
| frabbit | hmm.. can i verify this downloaded packe now somehow? | 03:03 |
| rich__ | richloh1966 | 03:03 |
| frabbit | i downloaded it over a non https mirror... | 03:04 |
| frabbit | theres the debian-archive-kexring here, can i do it with that? | 03:04 |
| frabbit | *debian-archive-keyring package | 03:04 |
| frabbit | root itself has no keys when i run "gpg --list-keys" with root | 03:05 |
| frabbit | i downloaded the binary btw. | 03:10 |
| frabbit | the mirrir doesnt offer a .sign or something | 03:30 |
| frabbit | *mirror | 03:30 |
| frabbit | wheres that f****** key! | 03:38 |
| MinceR | maybe you can just get gpg to get the key from pool.sks-keyservers.net or pgp.mit.edu or something | 03:40 |
| frabbit | MinceR: yeah i thought so but that gpg server thing doesnt work | 03:43 |
| frabbit | there were a talk here or in debianfork yesterday with... ah who was that | 03:44 |
| frabbit | MinceR: can i extract the key from the debain keyring package? | 03:44 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure, but probably | 03:46 |
| MinceR | pgp.mit.edu is often down | 03:47 |
| frabbit | hm... i cant remember when these keyservers were last working correctly... | 03:54 |
| frabbit | i always download keys direct from the developer pages | 03:54 |
| fsmithred | add beowulf main repo, update, apt-get download firmware-ath9k-htc, remove beowulf repo, update again. | 03:55 |
| fsmithred | but you probably should get the source and backport it yourself | 03:56 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: sure thats a way i know too. but it must be possible to get the debian package signing key .... | 03:59 |
| frabbit | asc sign and so on... | 03:59 |
| fsmithred | you should already have it | 03:59 |
| frabbit | in debian-archive-keyring | 03:59 |
| frabbit | correct? | 03:59 |
| fsmithred | yes, debian-archive-keyring | 04:00 |
| frabbit | rigth. so how to verify now my downloaded foobar.deb with that key? | 04:00 |
| frabbit | downloaded from an unencrypted offical debian ftp mirror in germany | 04:01 |
| fsmithred | I don't know | 04:01 |
| frabbit | =) | 04:02 |
| frabbit | im searching for about an hour now how to extract that key or use that keyring package but cant find anything... | 04:03 |
| frabbit | there should be a tool to use the keys in that package when it is not possible to extract them | 04:04 |
| frabbit | on next install i will change to beowulf | 04:33 |
| frabbit | gnarface: the WLAN-Stick works with wicd-gtk ive tested it on someone elses computer with devuan and xfce and so on that ive installed for that person. | 07:50 |
| engidea | I have installed devuan3.0 and it is GREAT !! Thank you all (yes, I also have donated some money) | 10:49 |
| engidea | If you use KDE, just install that and not the default desktop, otherwise install fails | 10:49 |
| engidea | Also, at the moment I have to $ pulseaudio --start to get sound working, not a major issue, just telling | 10:50 |
| Digit | anyone got minbrowser working in devuan? | 16:58 |
| Digit | i got http://dpaste.com/3HNRK43 from installing its deb, in ceres. idk, i probably need to upgrade again. | 16:59 |
| devuanfree | Why has devuan beowulf live RC2 in its current name? Becuase it is still sort of a beta version? | 16:59 |
| fsmithred | devuanfree, because it's better to call it RC2 than to say if's done and then find out it's not. | 17:00 |
| fsmithred | if I did everything right, those files will be renamed | 17:00 |
| fsmithred | last issue to be fixed was that some kernel modules did not get loaded when booting from optical media | 17:01 |
| devuanfree | fsmithred: sorry for the question, but I am not familiar with the terminology. | 17:01 |
| fsmithred | so that sound didn't work in the live session, which makes it difficult to test your hardware | 17:01 |
| fsmithred | asking questions is fine | 17:01 |
| frabbit | Digit: what is minbrowser? | 17:01 |
| devuanfree | fsmithred: so, I know that when I find a beta version it is still not advisable to use it if security is important, but I've never found myself wondering what to do with a RC2 version (whether or not I should use it) | 17:02 |
| fsmithred | RC="Release Candidate" | 17:02 |
| frabbit | 16:58 < fsmithred> last issue to be fixed was that some kernel modules did not get loaded when booting from optical media - oh! =o thats good to know! | 17:02 |
| frabbit | i always install an os that way | 17:02 |
| fsmithred | which means, "We think it's done, but just in case we missed something, we've covered our butts." | 17:03 |
| devuanfree | fsmithred: ok, I think I understand better that way. | 17:03 |
| fsmithred | frabbit, yeah, I think wireless was affected by that, too. | 17:03 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: ok.. so i shouldnt change now to beowulf | 17:03 |
| fsmithred | another thing to consider is that we are providing mostly debian packages that have not been changed | 17:04 |
| fsmithred | so most of the packages have been stable for about a year | 17:04 |
| frabbit | thats sad... the plan was to do it in the next time | 17:04 |
| fsmithred | our own packages have been ready since the beginning of this year | 17:04 |
| fsmithred | beowulf has been stable in the generic sense for about 5-6 months | 17:04 |
| frabbit | yeah ive heard that here before | 17:05 |
| fsmithred | but we can't officially release it until all the installation media are bug-free | 17:05 |
| frabbit | but that optical install thing is a problem for me... | 17:05 |
| fsmithred | why? | 17:05 |
| frabbit | 17:00 < frabbit> i always install an os that way | 17:05 |
| devuanfree | fsmithred: well, a few months ago I downloaded the beta version, but there were still problems with the desktop (it sort of froze with my hardware, but I don't remember right now, it was around 3 months ago) | 17:05 |
| frabbit | im not trusting any net install | 17:05 |
| fsmithred | frabbit, you don't need network to install from the live isos | 17:06 |
| fsmithred | you don't need sound to install the desktop-live | 17:06 |
| fsmithred | you might need sound to install the minimal-live if you are blind. | 17:06 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: yeah and i burn that isos to a dvd | 17:06 |
| frabbit | lol | 17:06 |
| fsmithred | yeah, and you can boot that dvd and install the system. | 17:06 |
| frabbit | i need braille then | 17:06 |
| fsmithred | and all will be fine. | 17:06 |
| fsmithred | minimal-live will talk to you if you want. | 17:07 |
| frabbit | i can make minimal expert install from live? | 17:07 |
| fsmithred | no | 17:07 |
| frabbit | =) | 17:07 |
| frabbit | see | 17:07 |
| frabbit | and thats what i want | 17:07 |
| fsmithred | live isos install what is on the medium | 17:07 |
| devuanfree | frabbit: if you are using the LIVE version, you usually don't install it, just run it and use it, if you intend to install to your computer use the non-live version, which is complete now | 17:07 |
| fsmithred | then you need installer dvd | 17:07 |
| frabbit | devuanfree: i know thx ;) | 17:07 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: correct | 17:07 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: will it always be that the optical media boot is one of the last thing that will be worked on it? in the future releases i mean? | 17:09 |
| fsmithred | I hope not | 17:09 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: ok =) me too | 17:09 |
| fsmithred | this problem came to my attention just a couple weeks ago | 17:09 |
| frabbit | ah | 17:10 |
| fsmithred | I had not made a live CD or DVD in a couple of years | 17:10 |
| fsmithred | it's never been a problem in the 10 years I've been making live isos | 17:10 |
| fsmithred | and it's a weird problem. Doesn't happen if you boot from usb or if you boot optical media to ram. | 17:11 |
| devuanfree | but is it fixed now? | 17:11 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 17:11 |
| frabbit | i thought the last days that im not so helpful for devuan project but asking a lot of questions and stuff.. i cannot code so i thought it would be good to run "testing" to test it out and can help with reporting any bugs (if i find some) | 17:11 |
| fsmithred | also happened occasionally when booting iso in qemu | 17:11 |
| fsmithred | I hope you don't find any | 17:11 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: =D | 17:11 |
| fsmithred | we want to get this out. And we plan to do a point-release soon. There are some packages already staged for that. | 17:12 |
| frabbit | no i mean that could be my way to support devuan, running the latest version etc | 17:12 |
| fsmithred | we always need people to test stuff | 17:12 |
| frabbit | the optical media boot thing is fixed? | 17:12 |
| frabbit | 17:08 < devuanfree> but is it fixed now? 17:09 < fsmithred> yeah | 17:12 |
| fsmithred | yeah, fixed as in workaround. It works. | 17:12 |
| frabbit | oh cool! | 17:13 |
| frabbit | then i will change to beowulf soon | 17:13 |
| fsmithred | if you have sufficient ram, I suggest booting to ram anyway. | 17:13 |
| fsmithred | it takes a few minutes to boot, but then everything you do after that is fast. | 17:13 |
| frabbit | 3GB | 17:13 |
| fsmithred | plenty for an install | 17:13 |
| frabbit | so.. boot the expert installer to ram | 17:14 |
| fsmithred | not plenty to browse youtube | 17:14 |
| fsmithred | wtf? | 17:14 |
| fsmithred | no | 17:14 |
| fsmithred | not possible | 17:14 |
| frabbit | done! | 17:14 |
| frabbit | no was a joke xD | 17:14 |
| fsmithred | boot to ram is for live-isos only | 17:14 |
| fsmithred | ok | 17:14 |
| frabbit | yeah but i want that expert installer | 17:14 |
| fsmithred | what's in expert that you need? | 17:15 |
| frabbit | that thing is working too with optical media right? | 17:15 |
| fsmithred | the optical media problem is only with the live isos | 17:15 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: its more about what isnt there that i dont need =D | 17:15 |
| fsmithred | and you might not even notice the problem | 17:15 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: oh i see | 17:15 |
| fsmithred | O | 17:16 |
| devuanfree | fsmithred: When a Release Candidate version moves on to Stable Release, is there any indication in its name about which RC version was the final one that did not change (RC1, RC2, RC3, ...) _ | 17:18 |
| devuanfree | ? | 17:18 |
| frabbit | i dont understand the question | 17:20 |
| fsmithred | I do | 17:20 |
| fsmithred | and the answer is no | 17:20 |
| fsmithred | why would you care about that? | 17:21 |
| devuanfree | If one were to download RC2 for instance and then, in a few weeks, the stable version is ready, to know that it is the same and it is not necessary to download again | 17:21 |
| frabbit | devuanfree: u can just upgrade | 17:22 |
| fsmithred | check the sha256sum file for the new one and see if the checksums are the same as the old one | 17:22 |
| fsmithred | and yeah, once you get it installed, you don't need to install it again. | 17:22 |
| fsmithred | if you want to use the live iso as a live system, I highly recommend that you make your own live iso. | 17:23 |
| fsmithred | modified for your use case | 17:23 |
| fsmithred | install system in vm, configure the way you want, run refractasnapshot, use the live-iso you just made. | 17:24 |
| frabbit | fsmithred: ive done that once =) | 17:25 |
| frabbit | works fine | 17:25 |
| devuanfree | vm? Last time I tried to install virtualbox it was not possible. Is it removed perpetually? | 17:26 |
| Digit | frabbit: https://minbrowser.org/ a low distractions web browser. i learned of it from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st2B41ko84c | 17:26 |
| frabbit | Digit: hmm.. looks like chrom stuff... what is it based on? | 17:28 |
| frabbit | *chrome | 17:28 |
| fsmithred | devuanfree, I think ascii-backports has virtualbox | 17:28 |
| fsmithred | and you can always use the oracle version | 17:28 |
| fsmithred | ascii=stretch, beowulf=buster | 17:28 |
| fsmithred | or use qemu instead | 17:29 |
| fsmithred | or install on a spare partition instead of a vm | 17:29 |
| devuanfree | I see, well, I have to go now. I will think about this, thank you very much for your help. See you soon. | 17:30 |
| frabbit | Digit: and it looks to me like these webbroser for mobile phones | 17:30 |
| fsmithred | there's a chromium-sandbox package. Is there a minbrowser-sandbox package? | 17:32 |
| frabbit | *webbrowsers | 17:33 |
| fsmithred | Digit, ls -l /usr/lib/min/chrome-sandbox | 17:34 |
| Digit | -rwsr-xr-x 1 501 staff 6259104 May 15 17:53 /usr/lib/min/chrome-sandbox* # o_O | 17:35 |
| frabbit | Digit: theres a wtf?! emot in our output? cool! =D | 17:36 |
| frabbit | *ur | 17:37 |
| Digit | n_n noh. i just added that. the 501 and staff being novel to me. | 17:37 |
| Digit | but no minbrowser-sanbox in there. | 17:37 |
| frabbit | Digit: ;P | 17:38 |
| frabbit | => | 17:38 |
| fsmithred | that looks right | 17:59 |
| fsmithred | I mean that looks like 4755. Not sure about the 501 staff | 18:00 |
| fsmithred | 501 is first user id in those rpm-based distros | 18:00 |
| fsmithred | or second? | 18:01 |
| fsmithred | and it shows as a number because there's no user with that ID on your system. | 18:01 |
| engidea | another small issue coming up with devuan3.0 is when using sddm, currently when installed the theme is quite "roough", it would be nicer to install the sddm-theme-breeze | 20:44 |
| golinux | engidea: The only theming provided by Devuan is for the default Xfce desktop. Any other theming, you are on your own. | 20:51 |
| Wafficus | Hi there, question about Devuan. Is the "netinstall" similar to the Debian "netinstall" installer? | 20:57 |
| Wafficus | I ask because I recently redid my laptop and desktop for Debian minimum stable but found out how much systemd sucks, and I see that Devuan looks like a good alternative | 20:58 |
| LordVader | .т | 21:23 |
| LordVader | could you guys pleas give me an advice? I'm usign devuan beowulf (upgraded from ascii) on my | arm board and I want to compile native GCC there. The build ends up like this: | https://pastebin.com/Y3hZH5ze | 21:23 |
| LordVader | Exactly the same invocation of configure on my pc box with u19.10 ends up flawlessly with a fresh GCC | 21:24 |
| LordVader | what's the direction to move? | 21:26 |
| golinux | LordVader: Might be better to ask that question on #devuan-arm | 21:39 |
| LordVader | ok thanks | 21:46 |
| lvd | another funny thing just found: in my 32bit 686 virtual machine, which is also beowulf upgraded from ascii, there is no g++ (only gcc)! Weird bug... :) | 22:14 |
| fsmithred | lvd, did you install build-essential? | 22:15 |
| lvd | probably no, but now I see, there are two different packets, one is for gcc, other for g++ | 22:16 |
| lvd | sorry for noise :) | 22:16 |
| fsmithred | and there is build-essential which is a metapackage that gives you both of those and a few other things | 22:17 |
| fsmithred | make | 22:17 |
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