| gnarface | se7en: yea i asked what changed though? the most common cause of that error is inadvertently disabling software mixing | 00:03 |
|---|---|---|
| Guest33070 | fsmithred, NVIDIA Corporation GF108M [NVS 5400M] (rev a1) | 00:04 |
| Guest33070 | (Thinkpad T430) | 00:05 |
| gnarface | se7en: for example if you uninstall pulseaudio then tell every program to use a alsa "hw" device instead of the default one | 00:05 |
| gnarface | se7en: in that case only one program would be able to use it at a time, and even your window manager's sound effects count as a program "using" it (even while no sound effects are actually playing) | 00:05 |
| Guest33070 | also, I was wondering if there was any way to dynamically reload certificates on MariaDB 10.3 (the version beowulf ships with). In 10.4 they have the FLUSH SSL; command | 00:06 |
| Guest33070 | but 10.3 doesn't have that | 00:06 |
| Guest33070 | https://mariadb.com/kb/en/securing-connections-for-client-and-server/#reloading-the-servers-certificates-and-keys-dynamically | 00:06 |
| Guest33070 | Does this mean that I will be forced to restart the database server every 2 weeks? | 00:06 |
| se7en | I was able to fix the problem, I was missing /etc/asound.conf | 00:09 |
| gnarface | se7en: well it works here for me without that and without pulseaudio, but i've been very careful about my individual programs' configurations | 00:09 |
| gnarface | se7en: the important part is that it works for you though | 00:10 |
| fsmithred | Guest33070, NVIDIA Corporation GT218 [GeForce 210] (rev a2) shows up correctly with lm-sensors in beowulf here. | 00:10 |
| se7en | I still have problems with cmus | 00:10 |
| se7en | it seems to skip tracks | 00:10 |
| se7en | It's not an encoder problem | 00:10 |
| se7en | All the files in the album are flac | 00:11 |
| Guest33070 | fsmithred, what driver? | 00:11 |
| gnarface | se7en: i've never touched that one. does it always skip on the same tracks or does it seem random? | 00:11 |
| se7en | It claims that the duration of all tracks it is skipping are 00:00 | 00:11 |
| fsmithred | nouveau | 00:11 |
| se7en | I can play with mpv | 00:11 |
| se7en | it seems to be potentially a minor issue, as it is only one album | 00:11 |
| gnarface | se7en: hmm.... that does sound like it's got some sort of format complaint about them though | 00:11 |
| gnarface | se7en: i like vlc; it's known for playing stuff even if it's not strictly following the standards | 00:12 |
| se7en | It plays just fine, it's not a problem of encoder | 00:12 |
| gnarface | well, unless you encoded them all yourself with the same version of flac, you don't know that | 00:13 |
| se7en | I've never had problems with this before | 00:13 |
| se7en | I'll have to troubleshoot this later, Iguess | 00:14 |
| se7en | I don't see why I have so many problems upgrading | 00:14 |
| gnarface | could it be the characters in the file names or metadata? foreign character sets might disrupt stuff if not properly supported by the player | 00:14 |
| se7en | I don't think this is a normal amount of problems to have | 00:14 |
| gnarface | i honestly agree. did you angry an old gypsy woman? | 00:14 |
| gnarface | anger* | 00:14 |
| gnarface | some amount of these issues are inevitably self inflicted the question is just retracing your steps better | 00:15 |
| gnarface | like, you tell me you fixed alsa by adding a asound.conf but you never explained what you changed to break it... letting that information slide is just not okay if you want to figure out why this is happening to you and not anyone else... and it really may be <i>not</i> your fault but we don't know that yet, and don't even have enough information about it to file a bug report | 00:17 |
| se7en | Well, the primary issue with cmus was libcue | 00:17 |
| se7en | I have no idea why I was missing /etc/asound.cong | 00:18 |
| se7en | I have no idea why I was missing /etc/asound.conf | 00:18 |
| se7en | Maybe it was removed during the dependency hell by an automated purge | 00:18 |
| gnarface | i'm telling you, you were missing it probably because there isn't one by default, but it should still work | 00:18 |
| se7en | I have no memory of removing it | 00:18 |
| gnarface | i would be suspicious it might be evidence you lost something else in there like /etc/alsa/conf.d/ or something | 00:19 |
| Guest33070 | fsmithred, I don't know if it makes any difference but the NVS 5400M is a business card, not a 'gaming' card | 00:19 |
| gnarface | se7en: but it also could just represent a regression in the kernel, for all i know based on just what you've told me | 00:19 |
| fsmithred | is it very new? | 00:20 |
| gnarface | se7en: knowing whether it broke initially after the first reboot from a kernel upgrade would be a big hint | 00:20 |
| gnarface | Guest33070: support statuses here https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix/ | 00:20 |
| gnarface | Guest33070: find your card on this page https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/CodeNames/ | 00:21 |
| Guest33070 | its not a geforce | 00:24 |
| gnarface | Guest33070: doesn't matter, it's still on that list somewhere | 00:30 |
| gnarface | Guest33070: the part you care about is this: GF108M | 00:31 |
| gnarface | Guest33070: whether it was sold to you as "GeForce" or not is immaterial | 00:32 |
| gnarface | Guest33070: the possibility that it just isn't supported is real, that's why i advised you check here. but also since it is nouveau there is also a small possibility that an upgraded kernel might help, depending on which particular card you have | 00:32 |
| gnarface | Guest33070: if you can figure out for sure it's a driver bug and not a configuration error, they might be able to help you with it in #nouveau but it would probably start with them asking you to test their latest kernel patches | 00:34 |
| gnarface | Guest33070: if this is still supported by the non-free official or legacy drivers from nvidia, that might be a better choice, unless you care more about security than temperature sensors | 00:35 |
| gnarface | Guest33070: and if this used to work right on an older kernel, then you need to include which kernel version specifically in the bug report | 00:36 |
| gnarface | Guest33070: (but if it never worked right with nouveau or nvidia this could be actually something lm-sensors needs a patch for... lm-sensors munges sensor readings from a actually disturbingly large amount of devices, and needs individual mappings provided for many of them that never were provided | 00:40 |
| gnarface | ) | 00:40 |
| gnarface | Guest33070: (and in that case it's probably a simple fix, comparatively, but not one i can give you off the top of my head either) | 00:41 |
| Guest33070 | thank you gnarface | 02:08 |
| gnarface | thanks is appreciated but i'd rather find out what fucking happened | 02:12 |
| Xelraa | https://www.snowlinux.de/ | 08:20 |
| Xelraa | I hope devuan will not end up like this | 08:20 |
| Xelraa | Due to this massive amount of users (we are really lucky with that) our servers are mostly totally overloaded. That means, the main page, which is on the same server as the ISOs and so on is not available. | 08:20 |
| Xelraa | they are so dead as dead meat :D | 08:20 |
| Xelraa | just looking through my old vms for fun | 08:21 |
| Xelraa | this was wheezy based | 08:21 |
| Xelraa | good times good times, at least they never got to see systemd | 08:21 |
| kreyren | is there a devuan mirror on darknet? | 08:26 |
| kreyren | i.e `deb tor+http://vwakviie2ienjx6t.onion/debian/ stable main non-free contrib | 08:26 |
| kreyren | ` | 08:26 |
| yeti | "Due to this massive amount of users..." we need such a blabla too... even if it just is propaganda! :-P | 08:30 |
| bgustav | I dare to assume that if we had a live DVD based on Ceres the downloads would just explode | 08:39 |
| bgustav | everyone used to rolling distros would get that image | 08:41 |
| bgustav | *DVD image | 08:42 |
| yeti | an unfinished stable is not a rolling distro | 08:43 |
| kreyren | found deb tor+http://devuanfwojg73k6r.onion/merged jessie main | 08:43 |
| kreyren | Where can i download devuan-keyring as deb to force it being installed on a frankenbian? O.o | 08:44 |
| yeti | http://deb.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/d/devuan-keyring/ | 08:54 |
| kreyren | yeti, thanku <3 | 08:54 |
| kreyren | How can i remove the devuan things from EVERYWHERE | 10:29 |
| kreyren | it's on bootloader, init, subinit, DM, WM AND EVEN DM! | 10:29 |
| gnarface | haha | 10:31 |
| kreyren | and it's red af | 10:31 |
| kreyren | feels like redhat here | 10:31 |
| gnarface | the irony is you clearly don't know how many more complaints were generated by it not having Devuan branding | 10:31 |
| kreyren | meeeh | 10:32 |
| gnarface | well it's just theme stuff for the most part | 10:32 |
| gnarface | you can remove it the same way you'd change any themes on those programs | 10:32 |
| gnarface | the last version was based on purple, you might be able to switch to that one too | 10:33 |
| gnarface | search the package repo for "darkpurpy" | 10:34 |
| kreyren | gnarface, the thing is that this is a custom OS that is sandboxing kernels and userlands so i have frankendebian that has identity disorder that thinks to be debian while being a devuan and custom exherbo linux that thinks to be devuan while thinking that Philantrop is terrible person~ | 10:35 |
| gnarface | well, that might cause some complications | 10:36 |
| gnarface | i dunno what to tell you though, it's the same answer either way | 10:37 |
| kreyren | meeeh | 10:37 |
| * kreyren goes to work on his package manager to interpret apt downstream to remove this branding then~ | 10:38 | |
| gnarface | maybe it would be a good opportunity to replace it with your own branding | 10:39 |
| kreyren | gnarface, nah i hate branding~ | 10:40 |
| kreyren | makes me feel like walking ad O.o | 10:40 |
| zatumil | remove branding, dont replace | 10:57 |
| yeti | put ads in there "branding to sell" | 11:48 |
| kreyren | yeti, that's usable idea :p | 12:16 |
| cosurgi | yeti: whoa, you got an answer https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=851611 https://listengine.tuxfamily.org/lists.tuxfamily.org/sawfish/2020/06/msg00000.html | 13:27 |
| yeti | \o/ i'll try that after breakfast... too fingerfoodish to type a lot now... | 13:37 |
| yeti | similar error now woth debian-menu | 14:01 |
| yeti | I saw that before... trying what was suggested in the message above this one | 14:02 |
| mns` | Good morning! | 14:02 |
| yeti | cosurgi: as epic photo story... https://yeti.tilde.institute/brain/sawfish/sawfish.html | 14:22 |
| yeti | I found no debian-menu.el and no lisp file including debian-menu but maybe its because of food-coma... *cough!* ...I'll look after it later again | 14:23 |
| cosurgi | yeti: any chance you could send this to https://listengine.tuxfamily.org/lists.tuxfamily.org/sawfish ? It's a bit silly for me to forward all your adventures ;) | 14:35 |
| yeti | havent used lists for decades... | 14:36 |
| cosurgi | heh-heh | 14:36 |
| cosurgi | I like using claws-mail as my emmail client. A lot better than thunderbird ;) | 14:36 |
| se7en | gnarface: you were right, my audio is gone | 14:37 |
| se7en | on reboot | 14:37 |
| yeti | last time i tried claws it blocked while fetching mail | 14:37 |
| yeti | and that is for 10 mail accounts a no go | 14:37 |
| yeti | maybe newer versions are multithreaded now | 14:37 |
| cosurgi | hmm.. why it works for me? Because I only have 6 accounts (plus 3 on manual fetchup due to server hiccups). | 14:37 |
| cosurgi | And I use it for over 10 years already. Always an up to date version. | 14:38 |
| yeti | maybe new versions dont block any more | 14:38 |
| cosurgi | With my own bash plugins that let me change received email titles, spamassasin, and so on. | 14:38 |
| * yeti is too old to change | 14:38 | |
| yeti | how old is evolution3? on the change evo2->3 I looked for a replacement... and then decided, evo3 is the least sucking alternative | 14:39 |
| cosurgi | I never used it | 14:40 |
| yeti | I cant stand TB | 14:40 |
| cosurgi | me too :) | 14:41 |
| cosurgi | my wife uses it though. And always complain. | 14:41 |
| cosurgi | She tried claws-mail, but she decided it's too advanced for her :) | 14:41 |
| yeti | when I've killed everyone sending HTML trash, I'll use a console MUA | 14:42 |
| yeti | :-P | 14:42 |
| cosurgi | claws-mail by default can't display html mail. It needs a separate plugin package for that ;) | 14:42 |
| yeti | yip | 14:43 |
| cosurgi | I installed that package though :> | 14:43 |
| onefang | NeoMutt handles HTML emails fine, I think it passes them to lynx or something similar. | 14:44 |
| cosurgi | But I choose to view html without formatting ;) Just the tags filtered out. Looks accepable with the font of my choice. | 14:44 |
| cosurgi | yeah, sth like that | 14:44 |
| yeti | I still get lost in GNUS | 14:45 |
| yeti | currently only for the tilde nntp... | 14:45 |
| yeti | scary complex | 14:45 |
| yeti | someday... | 14:46 |
| * yeti raises its pointer toe high into the air... | 14:46 | |
| yeti | ...I'l groc the whole Emacs dimension | 14:46 |
| gnarface | se7en: the old kernel should still be installed, does the audio work again if you boot it instead? | 14:47 |
| gnarface | se7en: with the stock (missing) config, that is? it might help you figure out what changed/broke | 14:48 |
| gnarface | se7en: if it's working fine now though that's what matters | 14:48 |
| se7en | It is not working fine | 14:53 |
| se7en | I will try again with previous kernel | 14:54 |
| se7en | Later however | 14:54 |
| se7en | I'll post results | 14:54 |
| DarwinElf | i've setup some Devuan 3 servers... doesn't it have dmesg? | 14:54 |
| fsmithred | DarwinElf, yes, but user can't run it | 14:54 |
| lastebil | are we calling Beowulf devuan 3 then? | 14:54 |
| fsmithred | yes | 14:54 |
| lastebil | ok (: | 14:55 |
| DarwinElf | my dmesg is 1 byte... basically there's nothing in it... | 14:55 |
| fsmithred | 1. jessie, 2. ascii, 3. beowulf, 4. chimaera, 5. d???? | 14:55 |
| fsmithred | DarwinElf, you might try 'dpkg-reconfigure iputils-ping' | 14:56 |
| lastebil | my servers are mainly ascii/2, but I installed a beowulf/3 machine and am setting up sway on it... was going to ask if we have an overlay repo with devuan ports such as sway or fixes to php7 (I do NOT want to maintain the php7 things. at all.) | 14:57 |
| DarwinElf | ok, did that; dmesg is still 1 byte... on four servers | 14:57 |
| fsmithred | oh, that doesn't sound like a problem with who can run it | 14:58 |
| Joril | fsmithred: 5. Daedalus | 14:59 |
| lastebil | my /bin/dmesg is NOT that size; 93536 | 14:59 |
| fsmithred | oh yeah. I forgot about that. Thanks, Joril | 14:59 |
| lastebil | I installed via netboot... speaking of which, we have an issue with the netboot installer - same as with ascii - and I have been bad and not created an issue | 15:00 |
| fsmithred | netboot has had minimal testing | 15:00 |
| fsmithred | so documenting anything you know about it would be helpful | 15:00 |
| lastebil | point me to where, because again, I have been very bad and not helped | 15:01 |
| lastebil | despite encouraging others to use devuan a lot on mastodon (: | 15:01 |
| lastebil | btw I did manage to get weston to run (which is why I am building sway now) | 15:02 |
| fsmithred | https://bugs.devuan.org/cgi/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=devuan-installer | 15:02 |
| lastebil | got it. | 15:03 |
| fsmithred | see the email instructions. | 15:03 |
| fsmithred | I think that's the only way it works. mailto: submit@bugs.devuan.org if it's a new bug report | 15:03 |
| lastebil | I'll need to recreate the issue (which I can do) to submit. | 15:05 |
| fsmithred | thanks | 15:06 |
| fsmithred | DarwinElf, how did you install the system? | 15:06 |
| lastebil | - gist of the issue: when you use the network console to continue install via ssh, you are presented with a tmux (or screen) session that has 4 windows - just like 4 tty sessions for the installer... however the first is either not created, or dropped. | 15:06 |
| lastebil | this means you can see the logs, and the emergency shell, but NOT the installer (: | 15:07 |
| DarwinElf | it's a virtual private server (VPS) company that only has Debian... so I converted it from 9 to Devuan 2, then upgraded | 15:07 |
| lastebil | it's not 100% useless, but it ... isn't fully working (: And | 15:07 |
| fsmithred | lastebil, I'll ask mason to take a look. I know he did some testing of netboot. | 15:08 |
| fsmithred | DarwinElf, did your kernel log-level change? | 15:09 |
| DarwinElf | i don't know | 15:11 |
| lastebil | fsmithred: I'll prepare the bugreport soon; first, I get sway running. | 15:14 |
| devuantester | I am testing beowulf, so far there is this problem: | 15:22 |
| devuantester | libreoffice does not work | 15:22 |
| devuantester | Other than that, so far, from my viewpoint this could be improved: | 15:22 |
| DarwinElf | if someone wants an OS for SysVInit, do you really believe they're going to be on command-line as a user? Not the case with me, though I don't know what kernel log-level is yet | 15:22 |
| devuantester | vlc or mplayer instead of parole (which does not work very well) | 15:22 |
| devuantester | evince instead of atril | 15:23 |
| fsmithred | DarwinElf, are other logs filling up? /var/log/messages ...syslog ...kern.log | 15:23 |
| DarwinElf | most are. There is no kern.log | 15:24 |
| fsmithred | oh, I don't have one, either | 15:26 |
| fsmithred | oh yes I do. I was looking at the wrong thing. | 15:27 |
| fsmithred | I don't know what would cause your problem, but it sounds like no kernel messages are being logged. | 15:28 |
| fsmithred | I have to leave it a few minutes. Maybe someone else has some ideas, and maybe some creative googling will give you an answer. | 15:28 |
| DarwinElf | i think I know how to restart it... | 15:29 |
| DarwinElf | you have to touch kern.log and give it certain permissions, then there's probably a way to restart logging, but some people just say reboot (would rather not though...) | 15:30 |
| fsmithred | devuantester, I know there's some issue with apparmor and libreoffice. I had to turn of apparmor in the desktop-live isos so that libreoffice would start. | 15:31 |
| * ShorTie Thinkz, sure they are not in messages too ?? | 15:31 | |
| fsmithred | I didn't think it was an issue in an installed system. | 15:31 |
| fsmithred | bbl | 15:32 |
| DarwinElf | i tried to reboot. It said it couldn't determine runlevel. Then it said 'shutdown: timeout opening/writing control channel /run/initctl. init: timeout opening/writing control channel /run/initctl' | 15:38 |
| DarwinElf | for my earlier problem (probably solved) sometimes you touch kern.log, chown & chmod it like syslog... | 15:41 |
| devuantester | fsmithred: well, it's the live version (not the other) I was concerned with, to be honest. Is that going to be a bugfix for future releases? | 15:53 |
| lastebil | \m/ sway built and running on beowulf/3 | 16:01 |
| DarwinElf | what could cause Devuan not to reboot... and how do I know some/many other things didn't go wrong on transition from Debian 9 to Devuan to or upgrade to 3? | 16:30 |
| yeti | proc not mounted? | 16:39 |
| DarwinElf | /proc is mounted | 16:44 |
| DarwinElf | didn't you see my error report earlier? | 16:44 |
| fsmithred | devuantester, make sure apparmor=0 is in the boot command. It's a known issue in debian and I guess it will eventually get fixed. | 16:45 |
| DarwinElf | (had been just 11 lines up) | 16:45 |
| devuantester | fsmithred: so this bug is a bug in debian as well? Moreover, if I boot with apparmor=0 won't I be reducing my system's security? | 16:54 |
| justmakeitwork | I just installed Beowulf with the Mate desktop, it looks good but the OBS version available is still only 0.0.1 ... which I was hoping would have been changed by now. | 16:55 |
| justmakeitwork | The build directions do not work https://obsproject.com/wiki/install-instructions#linux-build-directions | 16:58 |
| justmakeitwork | first there is no c compiler, so I installed g++ | 16:59 |
| fsmithred | devuantester, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=922378 | 17:00 |
| justmakeitwork | then I get a bunch of errors from this, trying to "build with browser source"(whatever that means)cmake -DUNIX_STRUCTURE=1 -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr -DBUILD_BROWSER=ON -DCEF_ROOT_DIR="../../cef_binary_3770_linux64" .. | 17:01 |
| justmakeitwork | it asks for a "FindQT5Widgets.cmake", then says could not find package configuration file provided by "QT5Widgets" with following names Qt5WidgetsConfig.cmake | 17:03 |
| justmakeitwork | and also says could not fild OpenGL despite that I do have OpenGL installed | 17:04 |
| justmakeitwork | any OBS users on Devuan? | 17:04 |
| justmakeitwork | this really needs to be solved | 17:05 |
| fsmithred | someone was talking about OBS recently (past week) | 17:05 |
| justmakeitwork | thx, I'll read the archive | 17:06 |
| DarwinElf | i really need to reboot... can't on all four Devuan 3 servers (as mentioned in error message 2:45:00 ago) | 17:06 |
| fsmithred | in here and also in #devuan-dev <- justmakeitwork | 17:07 |
| justmakeitwork | why do I have to hunt around like this just to find a repository for a software that I've been trying to run? If there are repositories you can use to install software shouldn't they be listed on the website? I've wasted a lot of time on this crap. | 17:18 |
| justmakeitwork | I found that Chmaera repository apparently has the obs-studio later package, but when I search I find a page on repology.org, that when I try to put the link in sources.list, it says it is a malformed link when I try to use it | 17:20 |
| fsmithred | justmakeitwork, are you trying to upgrade to chimaera? | 17:25 |
| justmakeitwork | No I just want to install a newer version of obs-studio, but this site wants to taunt me https://repology.org/repository/devuan_4_0 | 17:26 |
| fsmithred | we list devuan repositories on the devuan website | 17:26 |
| fsmithred | if you want a newer version, best thing to do is backport it. | 17:27 |
| fsmithred | you can try the ceres/chimaera version if you want. It may or may not work. | 17:27 |
| fsmithred | just download it directly from the repository if you know what version you want | 17:27 |
| fsmithred | packages.debian.org/pool/main/o/... something liket that | 17:27 |
| fsmithred | if you add a chimaera repo to sources.list you should pin it to a low priority so you don't start pulling all your packages from chimaera. | 17:29 |
| justmakeitwork | I would just use it to install obs then comment it out | 17:29 |
| justmakeitwork | still can't find a link to the chimaera repo | 17:30 |
| fsmithred | you won't find it there | 17:30 |
| fsmithred | it's not a forked package, so we pull it from debian | 17:30 |
| fsmithred | if you add the line to sources.list, you should be able to apt-get download obs-studio | 17:31 |
| fsmithred | the chimaera line should look like the beowulf main line except say chimaera | 17:31 |
| fsmithred | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera main | 17:31 |
| fsmithred | pay careful attention to what gets installed in case you run into problems | 17:32 |
| fsmithred | chimaera=bullseye | 17:32 |
| justmakeitwork | it's downloaded from beowulf again | 17:35 |
| fsmithred | oh | 17:35 |
| fsmithred | apt-get download obs-studio=25.0.8+dfsg1-2 | 17:35 |
| fsmithred | or | 17:36 |
| fsmithred | apt install obs-studio/chimaera | 17:36 |
| fsmithred | or maybe apt-get -t chimaera install obs-studio | 17:36 |
| fsmithred | forget it. Ain't gonna work. | 17:38 |
| fsmithred | aptitude -s -t chimaera install obs-studio obs-plugins libavdevice58 | 17:39 |
| justmakeitwork | I noticed, haha | 17:39 |
| fsmithred | it's really bad here, but I just realized I'm doing this on ascii, not beowulf | 17:39 |
| fsmithred | backport it. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38976 | 17:42 |
| justmakeitwork | installing aptitude.. I thought it was the same software as apt-get | 17:44 |
| fsmithred | aptitude will sometimes give you different options when there are conflicts | 17:49 |
| fsmithred | and the formatting of the output is different. I like to check upgrades with 'aptitude -s full-upgrade' because it's easier to read the output. | 17:50 |
| justmakeitwork | I just tried enabling the backports and comment out the other repos and it says 'unable to locate package obs-studio' | 17:51 |
| justmakeitwork | I tried building obs-studio while using Ascii as well, nothing worked | 17:52 |
| Xelraa | aptitude is weird sometimes its good sometimes its bad | 17:52 |
| Xelraa | it seems ppl start going back to vanilla apt | 17:52 |
| Xelraa | I always used it because of aptitude version <something> | 17:53 |
| fsmithred | justmakeitwork, you would need to download the source package from ceres | 17:54 |
| fsmithred | and you need a deb-src line in sources.list to do that | 17:55 |
| justmakeitwork | ceres won't give me the CMake warnings and the "Could NOT find OpenGL" messages? | 17:56 |
| fsmithred | huh? | 17:57 |
| fsmithred | you want to download the source for the newest version, which is in chimaera and ceres | 17:57 |
| justmakeitwork | I got those messages after trying to build | 17:57 |
| fsmithred | then you can package it for beowulf | 17:57 |
| fsmithred | are you following soul-singin's guide? | 17:58 |
| justmakeitwork | using instructions from obs-studio site | 17:58 |
| fsmithred | instructions for building deb package? | 17:58 |
| fsmithred | or configure, make make-install? | 17:59 |
| justmakeitwork | Yes, for Debian-based | 18:00 |
| justmakeitwork | when I use ceres it says 'unable to locate package' | 18:03 |
| justmakeitwork | I think you guys should just include it in the download, if one person could ever install it... evidence for which I have never seen | 18:04 |
| fsmithred | sorry, I don't understand | 18:05 |
| justmakeitwork | evidence that anyone has ever succeeded installing a non ancient version of obs-studio in devuan... if one person can do it everyone should be able to | 18:06 |
| fsmithred | I just downloaded the ceres version two different ways | 18:07 |
| fsmithred | apt-get source obs-studio=25.0.8+dfsg1-2 | 18:07 |
| fsmithred | apt-get source obs-studio/ceres | 18:07 |
| fsmithred | both work | 18:07 |
| justmakeitwork | but does it compile? | 18:08 |
| fsmithred | I have no idea | 18:08 |
| justmakeitwork | lol | 18:09 |
| fsmithred | I haven't tried to backport it | 18:09 |
| fsmithred | do you know if anyone has tried and failed? | 18:09 |
| justmakeitwork | I'll surely try and probably fail | 18:16 |
| justmakeitwork | deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged ceres is in my sources.list, still get error about "must put 'source' URIs in sources.list | 18:17 |
| justmakeitwork | I've been trying to do this since December 2019, maybe devs should just include obs-studio with the distro | 18:23 |
| fsmithred | who are you electing to do the work to backport it and maintain it? | 18:24 |
| fsmithred | sorry, fork it, backport it and maintain it | 18:24 |
| justmakeitwork | I don't care about maintaining but a more current version would be nice | 18:26 |
| fsmithred | we care about maintaining | 18:26 |
| fsmithred | we also do whatever we can to avoid increasing our workload | 18:27 |
| justmakeitwork | I get that obs is a hodge podge of different applications that is probably a nightmare to work with, but I don't get why only version 0.0.1 is available... did you have to do work to get that version working with devuan as well? I can't believe I'm the only person with this frustration | 18:31 |
| absinthe | hello. i just noticed i had issues using sshfs. it complains about the fuse module not being present, and when trying to modprobe fuse (as root), it tells me permition denied | 18:36 |
| golinux | justmakeitwork: First I remember ever hearing about OBS on these lists | 18:36 |
| absinthe | i've used it in the past. like, last week | 18:36 |
| absinthe | cannot recall if i used it since i upgraded to beowulf tho | 18:38 |
| justmakeitwork | 0.0.1 absinthe? | 18:39 |
| absinthe | sorry ? | 18:39 |
| justmakeitwork | version 0.0.1 is the only version available on devuan | 18:40 |
| fsmithred | justmakeitwork, what package are you talking about? | 18:41 |
| justmakeitwork | I've tried building, using the portable mode(for all distros) | 18:41 |
| justmakeitwork | oh sorry absinthe, thought you were talking about obs-studio | 18:42 |
| absinthe | sshfs 2.10.0, fuse library: 2.9.9, fuse mount: 2.9.9, fuse kernel interface: 7.19 | 18:42 |
| absinthe | that's what i got when using sshfs --version | 18:42 |
| absinthe | ah | 18:42 |
| absinthe | np :> | 18:42 |
| fsmithred | I got the same, absinthe | 18:43 |
| fsmithred | and sshfs is working here. Just tested it. | 18:43 |
| fsmithred | fuse module is loaded | 18:43 |
| absinthe | interesting | 18:44 |
| absinthe | ok just added it to /etc/modules, ill reboot now | 18:45 |
| absinthe | but it's weird it cannot be "dynamically" loaded (through modprobe, i mean) | 18:45 |
| fsmithred | you shouldn't need to do that | 18:45 |
| fsmithred | I was going to suggest restarting ssh | 18:45 |
| absinthe | ah | 18:45 |
| fsmithred | /etc/init.d/ssh restart | 18:45 |
| absinthe | nope, still complaining about the fuse module missing | 18:46 |
| absinthe | when running sshfs foo@bar: dir | 18:46 |
| absinthe | here's a screenshot of what i did (sorry im in TTY) https://i.imgur.com/7Soo3IG.jpg | 18:49 |
| fsmithred | lsmod |grep fuse | 18:51 |
| fsmithred | foo@bar: will mount the root directory? | 18:51 |
| fsmithred | I always have a path after the colon | 18:52 |
| fsmithred | foo@bar:/home/foo/subdir | 18:52 |
| fsmithred | and then the mountpoint after that | 18:52 |
| absinthe | it'd mount the user's home dir | 18:53 |
| fsmithred | oh, that works. m | 18:53 |
| fsmithred | yup. just did it. | 18:53 |
| absinthe | (just rebooted, and now it works..) | 18:53 |
| absinthe | do you want me to remove it from /etc/modules and run "lsmod | grep fuse" after reboot ? | 18:54 |
| fsmithred | oh, yeah to see if it loads like it should | 18:55 |
| absinthe | okay | 18:55 |
| absinthe | fsmithred: nope it returns nothing | 18:57 |
| fsmithred | that's weird. I don't have a theory to explain it. | 18:59 |
| fsmithred | have to installed or removed any packages lately? You said it was working a few days ago. | 19:01 |
| fsmithred | or update/upgrade? | 19:01 |
| fsmithred | see /var/log/apt/history.log | 19:01 |
| absinthe | yes, some minor tools (small X-related packages like xclock and stuff) | 19:04 |
| absinthe | last "big" changes were when i upgraded the system to beowulf, and then "Upgrade: linux-image-4.19.0-9-686-pae:i386 (4.19.118-2, 4.19.118-2+deb10u1), linux-libc-dev:i386 (4.19.118-2, 4.19.118-2+deb10u1)" | 19:05 |
| absinthe | could upload the full log if you want to look at it :x | 19:06 |
| fsmithred | you have a newer kernel than I have | 19:10 |
| absinthe | ok please just type /clear | 19:10 |
| absinthe | im dumb | 19:10 |
| fsmithred | Installed: 4.19.118-2 | 19:10 |
| fsmithred | Candidate: 4.19.118-2+deb10u1 | 19:10 |
| absinthe | indeed it was a tool that was blocking the module | 19:10 |
| fsmithred | ?? | 19:10 |
| absinthe | the "lockdown" package | 19:10 |
| absinthe | i wanted to try it, but totally forgot i installed it | 19:11 |
| fsmithred | oh | 19:11 |
| fsmithred | it keeps you from leaving your home? | 19:11 |
| absinthe | ahah :> | 19:11 |
| fsmithred | brb, coffee is ready | 19:11 |
| absinthe | yeah, e-social distancing from servers | 19:11 |
| nemo | absinthe: I have a stupid ass kernel module that forces me to pin ascii kernel on work laptop ☹ ☹ | 19:17 |
| nemo | absinthe: basically some office-mandated malware^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hantivirus with a crappy kernel module | 19:18 |
| nemo | hm. I should see if they finally got around to updating to a more recent kernel | 19:18 |
| nemo | I think they only do so when Ubuntu hits end of LTS | 19:18 |
| justmakeitwork | here is the output when trying to CMake the obs-studio https://pastebin.com/HD9k4Kmu without backports | 19:22 |
| fsmithred | justmakeitwork, my guess is you need to install some things to get it to work. FWIW, I was unable to install the build-deps for it here. Looked like I would have to upgrade the whole system to ceres. | 19:24 |
| justmakeitwork | when I try the backports using ceres I get the message that I didn't include source lists even though I added 'deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged ceres main' | 19:24 |
| fsmithred | you did an apt update after adding the line? | 19:25 |
| justmakeitwork | no, I thought that is dangerous to do | 19:25 |
| fsmithred | update just updates the package cache (the list) | 19:27 |
| fsmithred | it does not change any of your installed software | 19:27 |
| fsmithred | upgrade does that | 19:27 |
| justmakeitwork | I was of the impression that debian lags behind in the new software, and that devuan would lag behind debian... but we have advanced another iteration onto Beowulf, yet the obs-studio version has not been updated from the very not good 0.0.1 version. Why is that? Shouldn't it be catching up a little bit? | 19:45 |
| fsmithred | justmakeitwork, where are you seeing this 0.0.1 version? I see 0.15 in ascii and 22.something in beowulf | 19:51 |
| justmakeitwork | it's the only version I get using apt | 19:55 |
| stiltr | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=obs-studio | 19:55 |
| DarwinElf | Help! reboot. WARNING: could not determine runlevel - doing soft reboot. shutdown: timeout opening/writing control channel /run/initctl. init: timeout opening/writing control channel /run/initctl | 19:58 |
| brabo | just curious, what python version is beowulf using as its default? | 19:59 |
| fsmithred | brabo, looks like 2.7 is the default | 20:00 |
| fsmithred | which surprises me | 20:00 |
| brabo | fsmithred: me it does not though i had hoped for a more sane default than buster ;) | 20:02 |
| justmakeitwork | it says it is downloading, unpacking and setting up obs-studio (22.0.3+dfsgl-1) | 20:03 |
| fsmithred | we generally don't change stuff from debian just to be more sane | 20:03 |
| justmakeitwork | but then it is just the crap 0.0.1 version that doesn't even have dlive on the list | 20:04 |
| fsmithred | where are you getting 0.0.1??? | 20:04 |
| stiltr | Are you sure you don't have 0.0.1 installed from a different source? | 20:04 |
| brabo | fsmithred: yeah, i hear you ;) | 20:04 |
| brabo | i was just curious, i didn't expect devuan to deviate there, but who knows? :) | 20:05 |
| justmakeitwork | in the status, on the top of the application where it says the application | 20:05 |
| Jjp137_ | oh I compiled OBS Studio from source before and I think during the compilation, it tries to figure out the version number using a git hash or something, but it can't so it defaults to displaying "0.0.1" even though the actual version is different | 20:05 |
| Jjp137_ | so don't worry about it | 20:05 |
| justmakeitwork | compiling never worked for me so if you can write down how you did it I'm sure it would help a lot of peolple Jjp137 | 20:06 |
| justmakeitwork | I can tell it is very old because it doesn't have dlive listed as a streaming platform | 20:07 |
| Jjp137_ | hm yeah dlive was added after 22.0.3, although isn't there a way to put in those details manually? | 20:11 |
| justmakeitwork | yes you can put the details in manually | 20:14 |
| justmakeitwork | I just don't understand, why is VLC the apr 28 2020 version, yet obs-studio is still so ancient? Did someone have to do the work to get VLC the latest on devuan as well or did the vendor just make it work? Are the obs-studio people responsible for this? | 20:20 |
| fsmithred | there were recent updates in vlc. | 20:21 |
| fsmithred | maybe bugfixes, maybe security fixes. I don't know. | 20:22 |
| sixwheeledbeast | it's down to whoever maintains those packages | 20:24 |
| fsmithred | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2020-6071 | 20:24 |
| DarwinElf | my kernel log is zero bytes, and I can't reboot | 20:35 |
| justmakeitwork | thx for the help, Devuan Beowulf with Mate is pretty gud despite older obs-studio... pretty pretty pretty gud | 20:41 |
| amesser | justmakeitwork: it could be that obs studio has deps which can not be fullfilled by buster/beowulf while vlc deps can be | 20:58 |
| amesser | you can try to build the most recent debian version of the package locally, aka making your own backport. afterwards simply installing the .deb | 20:59 |
| amesser | git clone https://salsa.debian.org/multimedia-team/obs-studio.git | 20:59 |
| amesser | cd obs-studio | 21:00 |
| amesser | git checkout debian/25.0.8+dfsg1-2 | 21:00 |
| amesser | debuild -uc -us -i | 21:01 |
| amesser | and then wait | 21:01 |
| amesser | you'll be notified if you need to install additional packages for building | 21:01 |
| amesser | the build .deb files will be in the parent folder | 21:03 |
| amesser | however, have to leave now, good luck! | 21:04 |
| EHeM | Hmm, the certificate for https://mailinglists.dyne.org/ expired 4 days ago. | 22:22 |
| golinux | EHeM: We know | 22:28 |
| EHeM | Good news is I haven't seen any problems which don't appear to be inherited from Debian. | 22:33 |
| lastebil | is it safe to assume that some... odd package dependencies are just straight debian strangeness? | 23:01 |
| lastebil | (such as wayland clipboard utilities having a hard dependency on x11... rather than optional...) | 23:02 |
| stiltr | justmakeitwork: If you want to give it a try, I backported obs-studio 25.0.8 to beowulf. https://stiles-engineering.com/obs-backport/ | 23:02 |
| stiltr | I wasn't able to test it any further than the fact that it opens up though. | 23:04 |
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