libera/#devuan/ Wednesday, 2020-07-08

DuveanHello01:35
Duvean# lxc-create -n debian -t debian01:35
Duveanthrows:01:36
DuveanE: Couldn't find these debs: devuan-keyringFailed to download the rootfs, aborting.Failed to download 'debian base'failed to install debianlxc-create: debian: lxccontainer.c: create_run_template: 1617 Failed to create container from templatelxc-create: debian: tools/lxc_create.c: main: 327 Failed to create container debian01:36
Duveandevuan-keyring is obviously installed on the host system... but for some reason lxc-templates is looking for it on the debian repository?01:37
DuveanI think we need a devuan version of /usr/share/lxc/templates/lxc-debian for the lxc-templates package01:43
* ShorTie Thinkz, somebody not playing nice01:59
Duveanyep, I think is debootstrap02:01
Duveanhttps://pastebin.com/g20AsFY102:04
Duveantwo quick fixes... for anybody looking to get a devuan LXC container on devuan:02:20
Duveanhttps://pastebin.com/RySaLudT02:20
stiltrYou can also just pull an image from images.linuxcontainers.org02:21
stiltrGlad you sorted out the fix though!02:22
Duveancool, thank you for the heads up stiltr02:27
stiltrNo problem!02:28
* enyc meows12:52
* enyc wonders what problems-in-practice being found with devuan as desktop12:52
* enyc also wonders what indications there are of devuan users / surveys, how popcon handled, and so on12:52
gnarfaceenyc: here's the packages you can't use: http://packages.roundr.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt12:58
gnarfaceer, sorry, i think it's supposed to be http://packages.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt12:59
gnarface(that's what it redirects to currently)12:59
gnarfacedunno about the other stuff12:59
enycuergh  NET::ERR_CERT_DATE_INVALID   hsts configured on the https:// version13:00
enycok so i can see explicitly disallowed paackages13:01
enycfine but... more wondering how beowulf works for people, what sorts of niggels/issue still exist13:01
gnarfacei haven't seen any problems with it myself13:02
gnarfacechromium is crashing if you care about chromium, but that's also happening on debian13:02
gnarfacei should say that i haven't seen any problems that are not also problems with debian13:04
enycmy ascii upgraded to devuan... still has weirdness with auto mounting13:05
enycand device notes not populated in 10000000 microseconds  etc. SOMETIMES13:05
enycsorts of things that are likely related to  udev/systemd  behaviour differences13:06
enycbut would have to do new install etc to properly rule out  still issue in new beowulf13:06
gnarfacewell there might be permissions related issues but those are typically what i'd consider "expected behavior" even if they are not what a systemd user would expect13:06
gnarfacei wouldn't expect device tree population delays unless it was a hardware issue13:07
enychrrm13:07
gnarfacebut if it's eudev maybe you can find people here who know about it13:07
enycdidn't see that problem on the MXlinux (booting not using systemd) on another disk in same system13:07
gnarfaceif it's systemd-udevd, i recommend you try eudv13:07
gnarfaceeudev*13:08
gnarfaceah, but another disk is the key factor here, i'm saying13:08
enycdefinitely  eudev 3.2.7-613:08
gnarfacelike for example, USB flash devices often have wildly variable initialization times, which would be not a fair comparison against a spinning-platter harddrive...13:09
enycgnarface: these are 2 pata disks of same type on same controller ;p13:09
gnarface... sometimes not even a fair comparison against other USB flash devices13:09
gnarfaceoh, well that's weird13:09
gnarfacestill sounds like it could be a hardware issue though, i'd be wary13:10
gnarfaceso far i haven't seen anything like that when mounting anything here13:10
enychttps://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=91859013:10
enychttps://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=24268913:10
enycnot the same but releated you get idea13:10
enycthis soert of elrro/message can clearly happen wider isse13:10
gnarfacewhat is md0?13:11
gnarfaceoh, software raid13:11
gnarfacethat's why i'm not seeing this issue, probably13:11
gnarfacehmm, though the end of that bug report, someone says that it's an issue with chrooted systems...13:11
gnarfacethey propose a workaround13:12
gnarfaceif you're doing something weird that should be your primary suspect13:12
gnarfaceso far it's been really reliable for me13:13
gnarfacei'm not using chromium though13:13
gnarfaceor suspend13:14
gnarfacei just leave them on13:14
gnarfaceso ymmv13:14
enycgnarface: hrrm ecrypted root in standard way, not, imho, weird13:23
enycgnarface: and its intermittent, probelm doesn't happen evryboot13:23
enycbut if it doesn happen it presisotnet, doesn't g away after a delay13:23
* enyc meows13:27
gnarfacewell, it might be worth filing a bug report about13:55
gnarfacethough it would be good to have more test cases13:55
enycgnarface: yes and until i manage a re-install test hard to nknow where what to report14:07
jj54hello14:24
gnarfacehello14:25
jj54I want to install whatsdesk from snap, can I install snap on devuan?14:25
jj54*snapd14:25
gnarfaceprobably14:25
gnarfacemaybe not though14:26
gnarfacehttps://pkginfo.devuan.org/14:26
gnarfaceyou can search for it14:26
fsmithredenyc, add 'sleep 1' to /etc/init.d/eudev - https://bugs.devuan.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=48314:27
Joriljj54: snapd is in https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt14:31
jj54ok thanks for the answer14:33
zatumilwhere is snap downloading whatsdesk?14:37
fsmithredenyc, also see: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=21501#p2150114:46
enycOoooo devuan tracker15:45
enycfsmithred: oOOoooo thankyou fer pointer15:45
enycfsmithred: put in same sleep 1s  myself17:48
enycfsmithred: will have to see on further reboots if gone awy....  would more feedback be helpful etc.?17:48
golinuxgnarface: Or https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt18:40
zatumilLinux Mint drops Ubuntu Snap packages [LWN.net] https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/825005/6440c82feb745bbe/19:33
brocashelm^ that is #debian-fork discussion, but...CANONICAL BTFO!19:55
brocashelmor #debianfork, w/e19:56
brocashelmhow do i get rid of this emoji bullshit on devuan? is it even possible? example (when you right click): https://tuxthink.blogspot.com/2019/09/inserting-emoji-in-gedit.html20:49
brocashelmi get that when i right click xfce4's whisker menu (search box) or synaptic (search box)20:49
Leanderwhat exactly happens when you right click? do you get the context menu, or do you directly get into the emoji dialog?20:56
fsmithredyup. context menu.20:58
fsmithredI went ahead and tried it. It really does put a smiley face in the search bar, and synaptic came up with no hits on the search.20:58
Leanderok but... what's the actual matter?21:02
LeanderI'm trying here, and the search box works, as long as you search normal text21:03
Leanderand these emojis are unicode characters, so they're already in whatever font you are using in your GTK theme21:05
brocashelmno, i meant the synaptic search box (ctrl+f) when you right click on it21:07
fsmithredis that different from clicking on Search?21:07
brocashelmwhere you type the text, but instead right click on it (such as if you wanted to copy/paste something)21:08
fsmithredyes it's the same, and yes I did that. I even selected an emoji and searched for it.21:09
brocashelmi would like to know how to disable that from the context menu21:09
fsmithredI agree that it's fucking stupid to have that there, but all you have to do is avoid selecting that item in the menu.21:09
fsmithredpossibly with dconf-editor, but that's just a guess21:10
fsmithredI used that to get directories to sort before files in the file-selection windows21:10
brocashelmi guess i'm just going to have to ignore it22:00
brocashelmreally dumb that people can't just disable that out of preference22:01
golinuxbrocashelm: I gave up on gedit years ago and moved to pluma.  gedit familiarity without the more recent bs that's now being included.22:44
brocashelmyeah, i generally use leafpad/mousepad for simplicity or geany for more advanced stuff22:54
brocashelmnano and vim are the cli versions i use22:55
golinuxThen why torture yourself with gedit?22:57
brocashelmwhich one is gedit?23:22
brocashelmgeany?23:22

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