libera/#devuan/ Thursday, 2020-07-16

rtn0i00:57
rtn0hi00:57
rtn0everyone00:57
rtn0i heard that devuan does not have an installer. that it needs to be installed "on top of" an existing Debian installation. is that true?00:58
golinuxNo00:58
golinuxhttps://devuan.org/os/install00:58
golinuxFor installation choices see https://devuan.org/get-devuan00:59
nemortn0: who said that?01:00
rtn0a friend01:00
rtn0*visits devuan.org*01:00
nemortn0: it did work for me on my cloud host, but not recommended01:00
golinuxAn knowledgeable friend01:00
nemortn0: does your friend use devuan? ☺01:01
golinuxAn UNknowledgeable (stupid spell checker01:01
golinux)01:01
nemogolinux: I was waiting for the </sarc>01:01
golinuxThat's not really sarcasm.  It's a frontal attack01:02
nemowell. without the "UN"01:05
rtn0no. he uses debian01:09
rtn0and so do i... for now...01:09
rtn0but i might install devuan01:09
rtn0imma let him know.01:10
rtn0thx all01:10
rtn0it was my friend CrystalMath. He claims that on older versions of Devuan, it had no installer. was it like that at one point?01:27
rtn0on the earliest versions, it just needed to be installed "on top" of Debian, right?01:27
nemoI guess if you push any project far enough back in time you can get away with a statement like that01:28
nemo"redhat has no installer" "yes it does"01:28
nemo"well, in 1996 it was still being manually setup on the first distro machines so I was technically right"01:29
nemogolinux: hm. I figured I'd go look to see just how long you guys had been doing installer work01:32
nemogolinux: and the repo link off of https://devuan.org/os/source-code 404'd01:32
rtn0lol01:35
nemohm. at least 3 years back for fsmithred's stuff01:35
rtn0ok.01:37
rtn0so what versions of Debian are Devuan compatible with? can it be installed on Jessie?01:37
nemo"Please read relevant documentation to avoid “unintended consequences”. It is possible to upgrade from Devuan ASCII or migrate from Debian Buster, Stretch or Jessie to Devuan Beowulf."01:38
nemooff the frontpage ☺01:38
nemoalso https://devuan.org/os/releases01:39
nemortn0: could just use the installer to install clean though typically most people just really care about /home01:39
fsmithredI'm pretty sure the valentine iso did not have an installer. That was pre-beta jessie.01:40
nemofsmithred: I was just checking commit history on your refracta stuff ☺01:41
fsmithredI made unofficial devuan jessie beta live isos that included refractainstaller, and there were official jessie installer isos01:41
fsmithredoh, that probably came later01:42
fsmithredum01:42
fsmithredI guess refracta tools were in repo by the time jessie was released01:42
fsmithredcheck github.com for the really old refracta stuff (2011)01:42
rtn0oh i can install clean? cool.01:47
rtn0thx for answering nemo and fsmithred01:47
rtn0bbl01:47
rtn0oh and thx golinux too01:48
rtn0bbl01:48
golinuxnemo: The link to the source-code was broken because our git was recently moved.  You can find it at https://git.devuan.org/devuan/www.devuan.org17:57
nemogolinux: I found it eventually by browsing off the root. was just mentioning in case someone was interested in fixing the link17:58
nemomaybe do a recursive sed in the checkout of the website ☺17:59
golinuxI have fixed it in the beta but someone with more skillz than me will have to do the search/replace in the footer.17:59
golinuxThanks for catching that.18:00
golinuxI didn't follow up yesterday because I am trying to exit from some of the responsibilities I've taken on for so many years18:01
golinuxSince no one else caught it . . . sigh . . .18:01
xrogaanurgh, Super+p display xfce screen configuration window. I can't figure out how to disable that.19:43
xrogaanfound it19:43
xrogaanThere are two places for keyboard shortcut, didn't look at the right one.19:44
nemoxrogaan: heh. that was my usual issue with XFCE, one of the reasons my mom and I are still on MATE19:49
nemothankfully MATE showed up since I was experimenting with XFCE after disappointment with gnome319:50
g0zzyJust installed Beowulf with wired Ethernet. wicd can't seem to see either wireless nic. Wifi hardware light on. No firmware missing. Any ideas?19:56
filipdevuan_maybe something is not okay with wicd20:28
g0zzyWondering what a good way to coax iall into waking up is21:11
xrogaanis chimaera the devuan's testing?22:31
xrogaanErr :11 http://deb.devuan.org/merged testing-security InRelease22:36
xrogaan  403  Forbidden [IP : 2a02:2a38:1:400:422a:422a:422a:422a 80]22:36
xrogaanoops?22:36
xrogaanwait, the testing channel is still tagged beowulf?22:37
onefangThere is no testing-security.22:37
onefangAnd yes, testing is chimaera.22:38
xrogaanthis still exists though :/ http://deb.devuan.org/devuan/dists/testing-security/InRelease22:38
onefangExists, but is a dead symlink on the master server.22:39
xrogaanok22:42

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