nemo | https://qelectrotech.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1539 just encountered this... | 01:19 |
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nemo | in beowulf | 01:19 |
nemo | sounds like a very bad thing | 01:19 |
nemo | https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-77375 | 01:19 |
nemo | https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/10/how-a-months-old-amd-microcode-bug-destroyed-my-weekend/ | 01:23 |
nemo | how is it this is still an issue ☹ | 01:23 |
nemo | heh. broke systemd | 01:41 |
nemo | hm. maybe this system is missing the amd microcode | 01:43 |
nemo | let's see | 01:43 |
nemo | amd64-microcode | 01:44 |
nemo | hum | 01:44 |
nemo | 3.20181128.1 | 01:44 |
nemo | I'm going to guess that is 2018-11-28... | 01:44 |
nemo | so... really bad bug. let's see if there's a backports amd microcode package | 01:44 |
nemo | nope ☹ | 01:45 |
nemo | bah | 01:45 |
nemo | might just have to grab something from some random debian | 01:45 |
stiltr | 3.20191218.1 is in ceres | 01:47 |
nemo | stiltr: do you know if I can force install it? | 01:51 |
stiltr | https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/amd64/amd64-microcode/download | 01:51 |
stiltr | Just grab the deb from there and 'dpkg -i' it | 01:51 |
nemo | 'k. sometimes that's risky | 01:52 |
nemo | but since a random person said it's fine ☺ | 01:52 |
stiltr | It doesn't have any deps, so it shouldn't be an issue. | 01:52 |
stiltr | lol. Random internet strangers are always trustworthy! | 01:52 |
nemo | what I also learned from this is that qt and systemd trust rdrand | 01:54 |
nemo | serves 'em right | 01:54 |
nemo | and not just as a supplemental source of randomness | 01:54 |
nemo | https://linuxreviews.org/AMD_Ryzen_3000_series_CPUs_can%27t_do_Random_on_boot_causing_Boot_Failure_on_newer_Linux_distributions | 01:59 |
nemo | heh. it's not systemd's fault, it's AMD's. | 02:12 |
nemo | well. yes, they are right | 02:12 |
nemo | but... systemd also completely trusted rdrand with no mixin, and coded an infinite loop. despite prior issues with this instruction | 02:13 |
stiltr | Yeah that sounds vaguely familiar. | 02:56 |
rtn0 | hi everyone | 05:46 |
brocashelm | does anyone use veracrypt or anything similar to truecrypt? found out it's no longer properly mounting/unmounting files (they are handled through linux as individual partitions, but the software itself acts like it's not even there). i did a bit of digging and am assuming dbus-x11 is the culprit | 16:04 |
brocashelm | when i try to "unmount" a veracrypt/truecrypt partition through the software, it says "nothing to unmount", but the partitions are still there | 16:06 |
odb1 | ive heard its possible running xfce on freebsd without dbus...wondering if something similar can be achieved on linux | 21:14 |
odb1 | what are the most user friendly de's/wm's not requiring dbus by default? | 21:14 |
odb1 | https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/xfce4-without-dbus-and-policykit.54674/ - this was the relevant thread - with another link to gentoo ebuilds and gpo.zugaina https://data.gpo.zugaina.org/y2kbadbug/xfce-base/xfce4-session/xfce4-session-4.12.1.ebuild | 21:17 |
fsmithred | odb1, https://friendsofdevuan.org/doku.php/community:d-bus_free_software | 21:27 |
fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2158 | 21:27 |
odb1 | nice I hadnt noticed the window managers in that list for some reason... | 21:29 |
fsmithred | probably most window managers will work without dbus | 21:30 |
odb1 | but x.org works right, no config necessary, right? | 21:30 |
fsmithred | either you need elogind/libpam-elogind or you need xserver-xorg-legacy and an edit in Xwrapper.config | 21:30 |
odb1 | have you come across real world users of no-dbus? | 21:31 |
fsmithred | actually I think I read about one other way to do that, either today and yesterday. It's probably on the forum. | 21:31 |
odb1 | or is it mostly people experimenting for a bit and moving on to other things | 21:31 |
fsmithred | I made a live iso and a few people said they have used it. | 21:31 |
fsmithred | https://get.refracta.org/files/experimental/refracta10-nodbus_amd64-2019-04-16.iso | 21:32 |
fsmithred | there's i386 in same directory | 21:32 |
odb1 | any idea with firefox-esr has a ? in your list of compat sw | 21:33 |
odb1 | s/with/why | 21:34 |
fsmithred | nope. It works. | 21:34 |
odb1 | nice! | 21:35 |
odb1 | so most of the edits were made by msi and chillfan which I @ed in case they are alive and willing to talk | 21:35 |
odb1 | and...they dont show up in users on this ch...are they still active somewhere? | 21:36 |
odb1 | just in case you know | 21:36 |
fsmithred | I've seen both of them in the past month | 21:37 |
odb1 | i saw msi on dev1g indeed | 21:38 |
fsmithred | chillfan is sometimes here and in #debianfork, but not often | 21:38 |
fsmithred | msi returned recently after a hiatus | 21:38 |
fsmithred | the wiki is mostly unmaintained at this point | 21:39 |
odb1 | i figured...thats a very shortlist of working sw... | 21:39 |
fsmithred | and might get replaced with something else. I think someone is working on that as a side project | 21:39 |
odb1 | youtube-dl would be nice in combi with mpv/vlc | 21:39 |
fsmithred | you can get it in the repo, but there's really no point. If it's not already broken, it will be broken soon. | 21:40 |
fsmithred | just download the script from git | 21:40 |
odb1 | will an apt update and apt upgrade suffice from that 1 year old image you think? | 21:41 |
fsmithred | youtube does not want you to use youtube-dl. They can't stop you, but they can make it difficult. | 21:41 |
fsmithred | the nodbus? | 21:41 |
odb1 | yeah | 21:41 |
fsmithred | yeah, I just booted the iso in qemu and installed ff-esr without doing an upgrade | 21:41 |
fsmithred | it's set to install without Recommends | 21:41 |
odb1 | i use youtube-dl all the time...works on invidio.us too | 21:41 |
odb1 | and other instance.invidio.us | 21:42 |
odb1 | instances* | 21:42 |
fsmithred | I keep forgetting about invidio | 21:42 |
fsmithred | 287 packages can be upgraded | 21:42 |
odb1 | nitter instances are great for twitter too...ive not managed to get the equiv project for instagram working though yet | 21:42 |
odb1 | even as a simple user/browser | 21:43 |
fsmithred | nitter will let you see twitter pages? | 21:43 |
odb1 | they dont quite solve posting/logging in to youtube/twitter itself, but its great for everyday reading/viewing | 21:43 |
odb1 | nitter.net | 21:43 |
odb1 | there are other instances | 21:43 |
odb1 | you can find other neat projects by looking at some instances which list a bunch of other self-hosted projects they have -- > neat trick | 21:44 |
odb1 | theres another page that tracks fediverse instances (mastodon, gnu social and so on) and there is libreho.st which lists a few more interesting groups of people | 21:46 |
fsmithred | deadbeef is on that iso and was installed from a deb package. It's not in repo and won't upgrade automatically. | 21:46 |
odb1 | fyi | 21:46 |
openbsdtai123 | I managed to play games on devuan and rpi3b... it works well for many opengl. https://termbin.com/apdg (setup.c will guide you to install things unix, games, on rpi3b -- with opengl). | 21:47 |
mason | fsmithred: re: nitter, I say "nit foo" in a shell where foo is a Twitter URL someone's linked, and this runs: https://bpa.st/6XSA | 21:47 |
mason | Unrelated foo in the script. I overuse foo. | 21:48 |
mason | I haven't found a reasonable way to get Firefox to just do that for me. | 21:48 |
odb1 | fediverse.network was the site listing many/all instances, though their certif is expired for some reason...still accessible. There are also searx instances. searx.space | 21:49 |
mason | Nitter is nice in that it's free software and you can run your own, also. https://github.com/zedeus/nitter | 21:50 |
* mason adds Mastodon to his list of stuff to do on vacation this week, although it's decidedly somewhere after twiki. | 21:50 | |
odb1 | ive not noticed any project for fb yet (runs w/o js at least in m.facebook.com) - and linkedin is the ultimate hardest to browse without logging in/js...there are yt vids showing how you can use a google tool to see a page w/o login, though that requires js too | 21:53 |
odb1 | is there a reason why http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/ not accessible with https? | 21:55 |
mason | Not sure who runs it. | 21:56 |
mason | bbiab, need to find new lamps | 21:56 |
fsmithred | DocScrutinizer05, ^^^ | 21:57 |
odb1 | im guessing thats the only public log fsmithred ? | 21:59 |
fsmithred | yeah, that's the only one I know about | 21:59 |
odb1 | fsmithred, will searching dbus in d1g show threads mentioning "d-bus" only? | 22:14 |
fsmithred | search for dbus will return threads that have posts that contain the string, dbus | 22:15 |
fsmithred | or set it for posts - there's a drop-down for that near the bottom | 22:15 |
fsmithred | search nodbus will return a few threads | 22:15 |
fsmithred | 9 | 22:16 |
odb1 | did you ever post those blend files for nodbus 2019 iso? | 22:18 |
odb1 | as mentioned in thread | 22:18 |
odb1 | did i miss your reply fsmithred ? | 22:26 |
fsmithred | no, you didn't | 22:27 |
fsmithred | I missed your last question | 22:27 |
fsmithred | I'll check | 22:27 |
fsmithred | no | 22:29 |
fsmithred | and I think it did not work the last time I tried it | 22:29 |
odb1 | when was that? | 22:29 |
fsmithred | before I made the iso you used | 22:29 |
odb1 | live-sdk...same blends but fails to build/run/makeiso? | 22:29 |
odb1 | before 2019april | 22:30 |
odb1 | or that iso at least | 22:30 |
fsmithred | which was made by installing the older one in a VM and upgrading it, then making the iso with refractasnapshot | 22:30 |
odb1 | ah | 22:30 |
fsmithred | I think I tried it when I got back from Amsterdam last year, so yeah, it would have been in April | 22:31 |
fsmithred | I think I had trouble excluding dbus in the build with live-sdk | 22:31 |
odb1 | so those blends have never worked...so...you never got live-sdk to build... | 22:32 |
fsmithred | yeah, the first one worked | 22:32 |
fsmithred | was ascii | 22:32 |
odb1 | which older one... june (1st post in the thread 2018june with debootstrap) - or the sept 2018 ones? - sept 2018 = live-sdk and working? | 22:33 |
fsmithred | refracta9-nodbus | 22:34 |
fsmithred | not sure. If the file name has date-time stamp, it was probably made with refractasnapshot | 22:35 |
fsmithred | have you ever used live-sdk? | 22:35 |
odb1 | also...get.refracta.org gives me "missing issuer certificate" - is it self-signed only? | 22:38 |
fsmithred | I don't know | 22:38 |
odb1 | i havent, and i understand its longer to learn but quicker to automate after | 22:38 |
odb1 | im going to read up though | 22:38 |
fsmithred | I just tarred up the beowulf nodbus blend that I tried last year. I'll upload it and you can play with it. | 22:39 |
odb1 | perhaps use certbot or something to have letsencrypt or something? | 22:41 |
odb1 | (too many or somethings) | 22:41 |
odb1 | sure send the tar :) | 22:41 |
fsmithred | someone else set up the site for me | 22:41 |
odb1 | k | 22:42 |
fsmithred | http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/files/blends/nodbus-beowulf-blend.tar.xz | 22:42 |
fsmithred | the blends for devuan live isos are in git with live-sdk. They are current and should work for you. | 22:43 |
fsmithred | I suggest that you build the first one without any blend | 22:43 |
odb1 | how many hrs to crash course live-sdk? | 22:44 |
fsmithred | then pick a working blend, run it to make sure it works for you | 22:44 |
fsmithred | took me a month of deconstructing the heads build. | 22:44 |
odb1 | heads - in git? | 22:44 |
odb1 | or heads distro | 22:44 |
fsmithred | heads the devuan version of tails | 22:44 |
odb1 | ah | 22:45 |
odb1 | no one has update that iso since...2 years> | 22:45 |
odb1 | or so | 22:45 |
fsmithred | there's a howto on the forum, but it might not be completely accurate now | 22:45 |
fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=551 | 22:46 |
odb1 | unless there is some more recent unofficial heads iso than spring 2018 | 22:46 |
fsmithred | I don't know of one | 22:46 |
fsmithred | but the blend files should be available, so you could build your own | 22:46 |
fsmithred | if it's not on git.devuan.org, it's probably still on github.com | 22:47 |
odb1 | heads and blend return nothing in git.dev1 | 22:48 |
fsmithred | https://heads.dyne.org/wiki/inside-heads.pdf | 22:51 |
fsmithred | this is from 2017: https://libraries.io/github/parazyd/heads-build-system | 22:51 |
fsmithred | parazyd, where is your most recent heads repo or blend files? | 22:52 |
odb1 | i noticed you #! zsh...should i be running that while building? | 22:52 |
fsmithred | yeah, you must | 22:52 |
odb1 | ah | 22:52 |
odb1 | i guess bash is out | 22:52 |
fsmithred | yeah | 22:53 |
fsmithred | zsh -f | 22:53 |
fsmithred | source sdk | 22:53 |
fsmithred | load devuan <arch> <blend name> | 22:53 |
fsmithred | build_iso_dist | 22:53 |
fsmithred | boot the iso with qemu to test it when it's done | 22:53 |
fsmithred | don't like task-xfce-desktop? Change it in the config file to a different one, run it again, and you have an iso with a different de. | 22:54 |
parazyd | fsmithred, odb1: https://github.com/headslive/build-system | 22:56 |
fsmithred | thanks | 22:56 |
parazyd | np | 22:56 |
odb1 | ty | 22:56 |
parazyd | Another setup is here: https://github.com/maemo-leste/image-builder/ | 22:57 |
parazyd | But notably less documentation | 22:57 |
fsmithred | have you tried making a beowulf heads yet? | 22:59 |
odb1 | fsmithred, anything to modify in rootfs-overlay in the blends xz file you sent? | 23:00 |
fsmithred | what do you mean? | 23:00 |
fsmithred | oh, I understand the question | 23:01 |
odb1 | there are also 2 config files, one next to the blend file, and one in the folder beowulf | 23:01 |
fsmithred | I don't know the answer because I haven't looked at that in a year. | 23:01 |
fsmithred | correct | 23:01 |
fsmithred | the one in the beowulf dir has the package lists | 23:01 |
fsmithred | the one next to the blend file has blend settings | 23:01 |
fsmithred | one thing you will need to do is add a line to the blend map in live-sdk/sdk after you clone the repo. | 23:02 |
fsmithred | so it knows about your blend when you make one | 23:03 |
odb1 | you said 1 month to master live-sdk or with a specific goal in mind (heads, as you mentioned) | 23:03 |
fsmithred | well, goal was desktop-live | 23:03 |
fsmithred | not a month to run it and make a heads iso | 23:03 |
odb1 | my goal would be to just refresh the isos...nodbus to current stable sw versions... | 23:03 |
fsmithred | that took proably a couple hours total | 23:04 |
odb1 | from there I might get more ambitious and try seeing if i can make a heads with openbox/icewm/ or xfce if this is all easier than expected, big if | 23:04 |
fsmithred | easier way is to install it in VM and update/upgrade and run refractasnapshot periodically | 23:05 |
fsmithred | check simple-ice blend where you downloaded the nodbus blend files | 23:05 |
odb1 | 2 years of upgrade could indeed create issues, any way to upgrade partially, like to debian 10, then upgrade since to today? | 23:05 |
odb1 | or even smaller bitesized updates? | 23:06 |
fsmithred | oh, don't try to use refractasnapshot with heads | 23:06 |
fsmithred | heads doesn't have live-config, last time I checked | 23:06 |
fsmithred | but the nodbus will work that way. That's how I did it last time. | 23:06 |
odb1 | ohno | 23:09 |
fsmithred | ? | 23:09 |
odb1 | heads cant be snapshotted with your tool | 23:09 |
fsmithred | actually, I think you can do it. | 23:09 |
fsmithred | But you won't be able to install refractasnaphot | 23:09 |
fsmithred | uh, I'm not even sure if heads still has live-boot | 23:10 |
fsmithred | if so, you could just put the refractasnapshot files in place without installing the package | 23:10 |
fsmithred | it'll run fine that way | 23:10 |
odb1 | ..like i extract the part of deb package with the folder hierarchy to / (root)? | 23:14 |
fsmithred | the 2018 heads iso is beowulf | 23:14 |
fsmithred | 934 packages can be upgraded | 23:15 |
fsmithred | I just put the .deb in its own directory, run 'ar x' on it and copy the files into place | 23:15 |
fsmithred | you could install refractasnapshot, but it adds a bunch of stuff (live-boot, live-config, syslinux and more)_ | 23:18 |
odb1 | fsmithred, "copy the files into place" thats specifically what i want to streamline... a single cp ( ) -t / would be quicker than multiple cp's , one per target dir ( /usr/, /lib, etc) | 23:32 |
fsmithred | except the files aren't in their respective target directories in the .deb | 23:33 |
odb1 | yeah that lengthens the process each time then | 23:33 |
fsmithred | it's not going to save you much by doing it that way. You can avoid live-config, but not the other dependencies. | 23:34 |
fsmithred | easier just to install the package | 23:34 |
fsmithred | probably better to build heads from scratch each time rather than install a bunch of stuff that isn't really needed except to build isos. | 23:35 |
fsmithred | less software = less attack surface | 23:36 |
odb1 | is 16gb enough to build in vm? | 23:36 |
fsmithred | plenty | 23:36 |
odb1 | 8gb? | 23:36 |
fsmithred | I usually use 12-14 for building xfce isos | 23:37 |
fsmithred | 8 will work but might get tight | 23:37 |
odb1 | as per htop/other mem tracker? | 23:37 |
odb1 | ok | 23:37 |
fsmithred | talking disk space here | 23:37 |
odb1 | i disappointingly realized the device i had couldnt use 32gb | 23:37 |
odb1 | 16max | 23:37 |
odb1 | yeah | 23:37 |
odb1 | ...lol | 23:38 |
odb1 | was that live-sdk sufficient, or should i read every other wiki/friendsofdebian/readmes on live-sdk? | 23:39 |
odb1 | dev1 wiki ofc | 23:39 |
fsmithred | the howto should be sufficient | 23:39 |
fsmithred | you have a little shell scripting experience? | 23:40 |
odb1 | very basic | 23:40 |
fsmithred | that's enough | 23:40 |
fsmithred | most of it is already there in front of your face | 23:40 |
odb1 | and i can man or google what i dont understand - characters are harder though | 23:41 |
odb1 | so if i build and it fails, how do I (or you, when you usually do it) know what to change in config/.blend file etc? | 23:42 |
fsmithred | look at the output in the terminal and look in the log files that get created | 23:42 |
fsmithred | read the instruction on the live-sdk git page (README.md) | 23:44 |
odb1 | i figured re output/logs, but im entering into the abyss, hopefully your success/fail at troubleshooting these hiccups is good enough..50% success? 25%? | 23:46 |
fsmithred | one common killer of builds is to have a non-existent package in the list | 23:47 |
odb1 | vm-sdk is irrelevant, even if i do all this in vm? | 23:48 |
fsmithred | correct | 23:48 |
fsmithred | uh | 23:48 |
fsmithred | don't try to run live-sdk in a vm | 23:49 |
fsmithred | I suggested using a vm as a build system with refractasnapshot | 23:49 |
fsmithred | which will work nicely with the nodbus build | 23:50 |
fsmithred | for heads, I suggest live-sdk because you get a clean (unused) build every time | 23:50 |
fsmithred | and because using refracta tools with it would add a bunch more software | 23:50 |
fsmithred | and I don't know how that would affect the security | 23:51 |
odb1 | noted | 23:53 |
odb1 | can i accidentally forget to install dependancies? or will it complain early and visibly enough | 23:53 |
odb1 | im also using trisquel's alpha atm, in case youve heard of any successes/failures building with that...or maybe ill just reboot from devuan 3 recent iso | 23:55 |
odb1 | i think ill do the latter, actually | 23:56 |
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