libera/#devuan/ Tuesday, 2020-07-28

Wafficushi there, can anyone please help me figure out sound on WINE for Wolfenstein Enemy Territory on Devuan?01:42
WafficusI'd like to utilize Alsa 32-bit version somehow, but installed "WINE" over 'apt' in Devuan01:43
gnarfaceWafficus: you're on a amd64 system, right?  you need to enable multiarch first01:46
gnarfacethen the wine install will contain 32-bit and 64-bit components01:46
gnarfaceyou might still have to manually install a few extra 32-bit things01:46
gnarfaceusually when wine complains about a missing library it's easy to tell which one though01:46
Wafficusyeah I'm on an AMD64 system, that's correct01:51
Wafficusidk if its complaining about missing a library though01:51
Wafficusits just that sound just doesn't work01:51
Wafficusotherwise01:51
Wafficusit looks like the game runs just fine01:51
gnarfacehmm, how'd you find one that's not even in the appdb?01:53
gnarfacei'm surprised it works at all01:53
gnarfacethe only other thing i could suggest is try changing the audio tab options in winecfg01:54
gnarfaceor alternately maybe a ~/.asoundrc customization of some sort, but i couldn't speculate on specifics01:54
gnarfaceto be clear, sound works in other stuff, right?  this isn't the first thing you've tested sound with, right?  believe it or not that's it's a common issue...01:55
Wafficusgnarface: I just flat out installed 'wine'02:02
Wafficusthat's all I did02:02
Wafficusthen I did "wine (name of installer)"02:03
Wafficusinstalled the game02:03
Wafficusboots up just fine when I navigate to Program Files (x86)02:03
Wafficusyeah sound works just fine02:03
WafficusALSA02:03
Wafficusworks with Firefox and normal mpv usage just fine02:03
WafficusI think you're right in that case to just have to utilize winecfg02:04
Wafficuswould that be present in ~/.wine directory right?02:04
Wafficusrather I'd have to create it right?02:04
gnarfaceWafficus: you have to pay more attention to which packages actually get installed.  "wine" is just a meta-package that would have included one or more other packages.  yes, by default the wine prefix is in ~/.wine but winecfg should have been put in your path actually02:08
gnarfaceWafficus: https://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#Wineprefixes02:11
gnarfaceWafficus: lots of good info on this page^02:11
Wafficuscool thanks02:11
Wafficuswhen I try to run winetricks, I'm getting the following error: https://termbin.com/h1yt02:49
Wafficusreason being is that there's a section in winetricks that only allows ALSA so I was looking to try that fix02:49
Wafficusdoes that mean I have to install Zenity in that case? Is that some sort of QT derivative for GUI programs?02:49
gnarfaceWafficus: zenity is optional, something else is wrong, use paste.debian.net if you want me to actually look at the error02:50
gnarfaceWafficus: also make sure you're using a current version of winetricks, they update it frequently https://wiki.winehq.org/Winetricks02:50
Wafficusgnarface: http://paste.debian.net/1158026/02:51
Wafficusjust installed it over 'apt' on Devuan02:51
gnarfaceWafficus: "No arguments given" is the relevant error here02:52
WafficusI thought you could just run winetricks02:53
Wafficusgotcha02:53
gnarfaceWafficus: if you have zenity, allegedly, but i've never tried it.  from the command-line, it expects you to actually tell it what to do02:53
Wafficusyeah I tried that with winetricks even with zenity installed03:13
Wafficusthe thing is it changed alsa in the audio registry settings03:13
Wafficusbut still no sound03:13
Wafficuswonder why03:13
Wafficusclear03:13
Wafficus*sorry03:13
gnarfacei dunno, i haven't tried getting this one working03:15
gnarfaceseems like there could be a lot of issues03:15
gnarfacedoes other games' audio work in wine?03:15
Wafficushaven't tried to be honest03:19
Wafficusonly wanted to install this one :/03:19
Wafficuswhat's weird is that it worked on my other machine though moreso with my audio interface03:20
Wafficusjust checked audio and YouTube via Firefox and MPV video locally worked just fine03:20
gnarfacewait, the same game worked in wine on a different machine?03:20
gnarfacethat's probably an important clue03:20
gnarface(and one you should have mentioned hours ago by the way)03:20
Wafficusthe only thing is03:21
WafficusI'm moving in about a week03:21
Wafficusso I packed away that desktop computer03:21
Wafficusaka I took out the video card so it wouldn't get destroyed since that's a classic LAN party move03:21
gnarfacethen all that information does is expand the possibilities of places you fucked it up and add the extra possibility of a driver or hardware-specific problem03:22
gnarfaceif you want to figure this out your best chance is to figure out what's different about that machine's install03:23
gnarfaceif it's nothing, then you know the difference is in the audio driver itself03:23
gnarface(or in the audio hardware, if they're using the same exact version of the same exact driver)03:23
WafficusI just remember installing it the same method, and it just working lol03:23
gnarfacewas it the same version kernel though?03:24
gnarfacedifference in kernel version could cause alsa regressions (and frequently do)03:24
gnarfacebut difference in wine versions is known for that as well03:24
gnarfaceand was the other machine also 64-bit, or was it a 32-bit base install?03:25
Wafficushmm03:25
Wafficuseh they were both 64 bit machines03:25
Wafficus*are rather03:25
Wafficusboth are i7 cpus03:25
Wafficusthe other machine has its own separate video card03:25
Wafficusthis one has an integrated video card I'm assuming03:25
gnarfaceunlikely to affect audio03:25
Wafficusyeah I know ha03:25
Wafficusjust listing the obvious first before the nitty gritty03:26
gnarfacecheck kernel and wine version differences03:26
Wafficusthe only other thing I can think of is that the audio interface I setup for it03:26
Wafficusaka the focusrite scarlet 2nd gen03:26
Wafficuson the desktop machine03:26
Wafficusi would but the desktops already packed up :/03:26
Wafficusit looks like based on Arch's installation, you gotta configure it to use 32 bit ALSA03:28
Wafficusbut idk about the Devuan variant03:28
Wafficushttps://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=9765503:28
gnarfaceWafficus: was it an older version of wine?  wine is known for regressions but also they changed the default wine prefix creation from 32-bit to 64-bit, maybe that's all that changed....03:56
gnarfaceWafficus: you can still override it with the WINEARCH and WINEPREFIX environment variables, check the wiki03:56
gnarfaceWafficus: if you get it working, you should add an appdb entry too03:57
Wafficusnah same version of WINE ha04:08
Wafficusjust did it a week or so ago, so idk04:08
Wafficusmust have been magic04:08
gnarfaceWafficus: did you use winetricks on the previous install and forget perhaps?  maybe try cloning the ~/.wine directory from that machine over to the new install to see if it magically works04:15
gnarfaceWafficus: you could also try asking for advice in their IRC channel too... odds are very low of finding anyone actually helpful in there but it's the next best place to look04:16
Wafficusnah on the previous install04:22
WafficusI flat out did nothing special04:22
Wafficusand just installed it04:22
Wafficusgotcha04:22
Wafficusthanks for that04:22
Nematocystis there a curses-based installer for beowulf, and what's the command to invoke it after x fails to start?  i'm just assuming i can solve the video related problems post install, but don't really know how to address them during install06:00
Nematocysti got it.  netinstall iso just starts up that way.06:07
absintheHello.  It seems anacron and cron are both running, is there any reason for this ?  (chimaera, with default install)12:01
gnarfaceprobably a  bug12:02
absintheshould i report it ? :>12:04
gnarfaceon chimera? probably only if it's not happening in debian too12:04
gnarfacei would just uninstall one of them12:04
absintheah, can't test that for now12:04
absintheyes, i'll remove anacron12:04
absinthethanks12:05
gnarfaceit seems unlikely to be related to systemd, so it's probably a normal packaging related bug expected of testing, which is under construction12:05
gnarfaceand it's probably the same in debian too12:05
gnarfacewhich means you might want to report it to them, but verify first to be sure12:06
openbsdtai123Hello why not adding elvis 2.2. as a binary in devuan SID?12:30
openbsdtai123btw, I used openrc and it works faster than sysvinit. it is great12:30
openbsdtai123here the cool link: http://ftp.fr.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/packages/distfiles/elvis-2.2_0.tar.gz12:31
gnarfacethere's probably a good reason it isn't in debian if it's not already, but you should submit it to them, not devuan12:33
filipdevuan_yo i have got plenty dvd's that i'd like to rip into mp4 format from dvd they're movies... I downloaded k3b but it reports some transcode package is needed to rip dvd's and that package is not available in synaptic15:28
filipdevuan_maybe i'll try handbrake15:29
Jorilfilipdevuan_: it looks like transcode was removed from Debian, since Stretch15:33
filipdevuan_ok, no worries, thanx :)15:33
JorilSee here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=81719915:35
filipdevuan_ok cool thanx15:56
filipdevuan_HandBrake does it for me, currently ripping game of thrones thx :)15:56
brocashelmi personally like runit more than openrc or sysvinit. it could get better support on debian/devuan, however16:01
brocashelmnot that it's not a problem for me, but i mean coverage in terms of troubleshooting stuff and other tweaks16:01
filipdevuan_i heard that s6 skarnet supervision suite is better than runit16:01
brocashelm^ double negatives. ignore that16:02
filipdevuan_huh??16:02
brocashelmi said "not that it's not a problem for me"16:02
brocashelmi meant to say "not that it's a problem for me"16:02
filipdevuan_i had a chat with void linux ppl once and one guy told me runit is good but s6 skarnet is successor to runit16:03
brocashelmi'll have to try that out16:07
brocashelmi know it was dropped by canonical, but upstart was a good and simple init IMO16:07
filipdevuan_http://www.skarnet.org/software/s6/16:08
MinceRnot as good as all the others, except for systemd16:10
MinceRit abuses SIGSTOP and ptrace16:10
ham5urgI installed devuan with encrypted home and watned to change the password. Any howto anywhere?16:31
saciozhelloo an update is showing sub-process /usr/binn/dpkg ret error code116:42
saciozshort of reinstalling any pointers ?16:42
sacioz*binn > bin16:42
ham5urgluksChangeKey was it16:43
sacioznothing seems to work..tried the lot16:44
saciozMay someone help me out ,please ?16:46
saciozSigh ..no go , joe , way too busy...16:51
sixwheeledbeastI would normally reconfigure dpkg at that point16:51
saciozoh thnx sixwheeledbeast16:51
sacioztried that and no avail16:51
sixwheeledbeastdpkg ––configure –a16:52
sacioznvm , yezzz nothing..its a piece of image thats refusing to go16:53
saciozbeen trying for three days now...thnx a lot will reinstall and hope for the best this time...bye for now..16:54
beanhow can I trace the origin of a compositor problem that happens when I install a proprietary video driver?19:45
beanbrb20:02
beanI'm back20:43
gnarfacei think you already found the origin bean, but all i can guess if you want more info is to try to stack trace Xorg20:50
beanI want to use the video driver without this problem, if possible. Because the driver lets me control my backlight brightness. It is firmware-amd-graphics20:58
beanI looked it up online and saw that some people recommended downgrading libxcb for what seemed to be a similar problem, but I haven't tried that yet21:00
beanmaybe I can stack trace xorg21:00
beanI already have a .xsession-errors log for what happened though, and someone told me it looked like a compositor problem based on that21:01
beanI'll just put the log here https://defuse.ca/b/rMAnKhQv it is a severe graphical glitch that leaves the computer essentially unusable and I couldn't take a screenshot of it because in the screenshot things look normal, which is why I was told it seemed like a compositor issue21:07
gnarfacebean: this is on beowulf?  you could try the beowulf-backports kernel21:20
gnarfacebean: (and corresponding firmware)21:20
gnarfaceyou might also need mesa from backports21:20
beanI am on the beowulf-backports kernel on beowulf already21:21
beanI have also tried the beowulf-backports version of the firmware, although it is possible I didn't try both at the same time...21:21
beanoh, I wonder if I tried the mesa from backports21:21
gnarfacebean: typically those 3 things go together as a set.  if you get one from backports you usually need all 3 from backports.21:26
gnarfacebean: maybe also a xorg related package too21:27
gnarfacebean: you could try another compositor too perhaps if that fails21:27
beanI see, thank you21:31
meep_____I am upgrading ascii to beowulf23:16
meep_____on my server, I get this message https://dpaste.com/FSTUJQMHX23:16
meep_____I've never gotten a message like this ever before23:16
meep_____is it safe to press yes?23:16
meep_____what's going on here?23:16
gnarfaceif you want me to actually look at the error, either use paste.debian.net or /msg it to me directly23:17
gnarfacehmmm23:19
gnarfacedid freenode enable flood protection for private messages?23:20
DonkeyHoteisuch is usually a client bug23:21
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDtest23:22
gnarfacewell, if he comes back i guess tell him to use paste.debian.net instead... i only got about 4 lines of his paste but they didn't look like errors.  it looked like it was functioning normally23:23
gnarfaceCAPTCHA_REQUIRED: test acknowledged23:23
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDhey23:23
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDit's me23:23
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDidk what happened the gateway froze up23:23
gnarfaceyou're meep______ ?23:23
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDgnarface, what's wrong with dpaste?23:23
gnarfaceCAPTCHA_REQUIRED: lacks my trust23:23
gnarfaceCAPTCHA_REQUIRED: sorry, i didn't know flood protect was on for private messages23:24
gnarfaceCAPTCHA_REQUIRED: i suspect that's new23:24
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDhttps://paste.debian.net/1158117/23:24
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDok weird, didn't think there was anything you had to trust about a pastebin23:24
gnarfaceCAPTCHA_REQUIRED: ok so that's a pretty weird paste, you're right.23:25
gnarfaceCAPTCHA_REQUIRED: how did you update exactly?  is this aptitude or apt-get?23:26
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDapt update23:26
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDapt dist-upgrade23:26
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDshould i cntrl-C?23:27
gnarfaceCAPTCHA_REQUIRED: it looks like it's listing change log entries, never seen that before... i would wonder what changed23:27
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDoh wait23:27
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDi think it's a vim mistake23:27
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED:s!ascii!beowulf!g23:27
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDinstead of :%s!ascii!beowulf!g23:27
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDsigh no23:28
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDstill get those GRAVE and SERIOUS bigs warning23:28
gnarfacei can't tell if it's listing change log entries or just the most recent bug reports, but either way it's not something i've ever seen it do either, and i've done several ascii->beowulf upgrades now23:29
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDI have done several ascii to beowulf upgrades as well23:29
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDnever seen this23:29
debdogmaybe it's an apt thing?23:29
debdogwell, s/thing/feature/23:29
gnarfaceit could be a feature i just don't know about that got enabled some way i can't guess at23:30
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDhttps://paste.debian.net/1158119/23:30
gnarfacei'm sure i haven't read that whole man page23:30
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDI'm worried to say yes on something warning about grave bugs in a server23:30
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDI have only ever enabled the main repository23:31
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDnever contrib or nonfree23:31
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDwhat do you suggest i do?23:31
gnarfaceshow the exact upgrade command?  are you passing --verbose or something?  maybe there is a simple explanation23:32
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDno23:32
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDi just run23:32
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDapt update23:32
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDapt dist-upgrade23:32
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDas root23:32
gnarfacei'm curious if apt-get behaves any differently23:32
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDare you asking me to use that instead?23:33
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDno23:33
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDapt-get dist-upgrade still gives me those warnings23:33
gnarfaceyea, i was asking you to try that instead, that answers my question23:33
gnarfacedo you have apt-listbugs installed?23:33
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDyes23:33
gnarfaceuninstall it23:33
gnarfacethen try the upgrade again23:34
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDif that's the case is selecting yes harmless?23:34
gnarfaceif my hypothesis is correct, yes, but that's based on a lot of blind assumptions23:34
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDin that case i'm just going to say yes to install despite bug warnigns23:35
gnarfacei would recommend a backup first if this is important23:36
gnarfacebut either way let me know what happens23:36
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDbecause i do want listbugs23:36
gnarfaceoh23:36
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDyes i made a live snapshot23:36
gnarfacewell maybe it's doing this, i don't know, i've never installed it23:36
gnarfaceit looks like it's normal operation though.  it doesn't look like it's breaking23:36
gnarfacei've just never seen it do that23:37
gnarfacebut i also don't have apt-listbugs installed23:37
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDwhy is apt seccomp sandbox off by default? despite me being encouraged to turn it on?23:37
gnarfaceno idea23:37
gnarfacei didn't do it23:37
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDso i am in the list-changes pager23:38
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDis there a way to write the pager buffer to disk so i may browse it later?23:38
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDis it vim-like?23:38
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDcan i do :w somefile23:38
gnarfacei think it's vim-like, yes23:39
gnarfacenot sure, might depend on if you have less installed or not23:39
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDok thanks23:40
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDso theres another thing I have to ask about beowulf. I know it's moving to NFT, does that mean If I want to migrate to nft I should purge arptables and ebtables?23:40
gnarfacehah23:42
gnarfaceso, i don't know, but i suspect that the answer is not only no, but that you've also implied a prior question which you erroneously answered yes to23:43
gnarfacealso i've never heard of ebtables or arptables23:44
gnarfacei can infer that arptables is not mutually exclusive with any of the others23:45
gnarfacebut i also would just advise you to stick with iptables23:45
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDI really don't want to stick with iptables23:45
gnarfaceoh, i assumed that would be the easiest answer for you.  do what you want then.23:45
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDI know iptables very well, but i've also been migrating all my firewalls by hand to nft23:45
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDthe syntax really is much better23:46
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDthough this time23:46
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDI would be doing server side natting + dynamic firewall + routing23:46
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDand over a bridge interface23:46
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDwith ipv6-pd and ipv6-stateless autoconfig23:46
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDwhich is quite a large amount of things23:46
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDarptables is for ARP filtering and ebtables is for layer2 bridge filtering23:47
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDI hear all that functionality got merged into nft23:47
paynodethat seems quite complex...what does this all achieve CAPTCHA_REQUIRED23:48
paynodejust curious, as ive not had a need for any of this yet23:48
gnarfacehe's hosting with virtual servers23:49
paynodeah23:49
gnarfaceprivate cloud23:49
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDhyper-efficient and stateless LXC container hypervisor23:49
paynodevps23:49
gnarfaceit sounds similar to my setup but i'm not using any ipv6 and it's all iptables except the bridge which is ... bsd23:49
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDso all IP configuration except for prefix delegation is done without manual configuration and without state so it's very reliable23:50
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDincluding DNS23:50
paynodeis this seriously how complex it is to setup your own host with vps'es vs just buying vpses? or is it also this complex if i just buy a vps?23:51
gnarfacepaynode: you don't have to do anything this fancy23:52
paynodephew23:52
gnarfaceand it's always easier to just buy vpses23:52
gnarfacebut that's how they milk you23:53
gnarfaceyou save money with a custom setup if you know what you're doing23:53
gnarfaceplus you can get some extra layers of security in place that normally you couldn't expect of a 3rd party vendor23:53
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDthis is true23:53
gnarfacebut you do have to understand the basic math behind your provisioning23:54
gnarfaceyou have to know about how many servers you're going to need23:54
CAPTCHA_REQUIREDthis is my fancy setup I made after doing very large KVM/QEMU hypervisors in colocations23:54
gnarfaceor you end up spending way too much or not nearly enough (either could be disasterous)23:54

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