Wafficus | hi there, can anyone please help me figure out sound on WINE for Wolfenstein Enemy Territory on Devuan? | 01:42 |
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Wafficus | I'd like to utilize Alsa 32-bit version somehow, but installed "WINE" over 'apt' in Devuan | 01:43 |
gnarface | Wafficus: you're on a amd64 system, right? you need to enable multiarch first | 01:46 |
gnarface | then the wine install will contain 32-bit and 64-bit components | 01:46 |
gnarface | you might still have to manually install a few extra 32-bit things | 01:46 |
gnarface | usually when wine complains about a missing library it's easy to tell which one though | 01:46 |
Wafficus | yeah I'm on an AMD64 system, that's correct | 01:51 |
Wafficus | idk if its complaining about missing a library though | 01:51 |
Wafficus | its just that sound just doesn't work | 01:51 |
Wafficus | otherwise | 01:51 |
Wafficus | it looks like the game runs just fine | 01:51 |
gnarface | hmm, how'd you find one that's not even in the appdb? | 01:53 |
gnarface | i'm surprised it works at all | 01:53 |
gnarface | the only other thing i could suggest is try changing the audio tab options in winecfg | 01:54 |
gnarface | or alternately maybe a ~/.asoundrc customization of some sort, but i couldn't speculate on specifics | 01:54 |
gnarface | to be clear, sound works in other stuff, right? this isn't the first thing you've tested sound with, right? believe it or not that's it's a common issue... | 01:55 |
Wafficus | gnarface: I just flat out installed 'wine' | 02:02 |
Wafficus | that's all I did | 02:02 |
Wafficus | then I did "wine (name of installer)" | 02:03 |
Wafficus | installed the game | 02:03 |
Wafficus | boots up just fine when I navigate to Program Files (x86) | 02:03 |
Wafficus | yeah sound works just fine | 02:03 |
Wafficus | ALSA | 02:03 |
Wafficus | works with Firefox and normal mpv usage just fine | 02:03 |
Wafficus | I think you're right in that case to just have to utilize winecfg | 02:04 |
Wafficus | would that be present in ~/.wine directory right? | 02:04 |
Wafficus | rather I'd have to create it right? | 02:04 |
gnarface | Wafficus: you have to pay more attention to which packages actually get installed. "wine" is just a meta-package that would have included one or more other packages. yes, by default the wine prefix is in ~/.wine but winecfg should have been put in your path actually | 02:08 |
gnarface | Wafficus: https://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#Wineprefixes | 02:11 |
gnarface | Wafficus: lots of good info on this page^ | 02:11 |
Wafficus | cool thanks | 02:11 |
Wafficus | when I try to run winetricks, I'm getting the following error: https://termbin.com/h1yt | 02:49 |
Wafficus | reason being is that there's a section in winetricks that only allows ALSA so I was looking to try that fix | 02:49 |
Wafficus | does that mean I have to install Zenity in that case? Is that some sort of QT derivative for GUI programs? | 02:49 |
gnarface | Wafficus: zenity is optional, something else is wrong, use paste.debian.net if you want me to actually look at the error | 02:50 |
gnarface | Wafficus: also make sure you're using a current version of winetricks, they update it frequently https://wiki.winehq.org/Winetricks | 02:50 |
Wafficus | gnarface: http://paste.debian.net/1158026/ | 02:51 |
Wafficus | just installed it over 'apt' on Devuan | 02:51 |
gnarface | Wafficus: "No arguments given" is the relevant error here | 02:52 |
Wafficus | I thought you could just run winetricks | 02:53 |
Wafficus | gotcha | 02:53 |
gnarface | Wafficus: if you have zenity, allegedly, but i've never tried it. from the command-line, it expects you to actually tell it what to do | 02:53 |
Wafficus | yeah I tried that with winetricks even with zenity installed | 03:13 |
Wafficus | the thing is it changed alsa in the audio registry settings | 03:13 |
Wafficus | but still no sound | 03:13 |
Wafficus | wonder why | 03:13 |
Wafficus | clear | 03:13 |
Wafficus | *sorry | 03:13 |
gnarface | i dunno, i haven't tried getting this one working | 03:15 |
gnarface | seems like there could be a lot of issues | 03:15 |
gnarface | does other games' audio work in wine? | 03:15 |
Wafficus | haven't tried to be honest | 03:19 |
Wafficus | only wanted to install this one :/ | 03:19 |
Wafficus | what's weird is that it worked on my other machine though moreso with my audio interface | 03:20 |
Wafficus | just checked audio and YouTube via Firefox and MPV video locally worked just fine | 03:20 |
gnarface | wait, the same game worked in wine on a different machine? | 03:20 |
gnarface | that's probably an important clue | 03:20 |
gnarface | (and one you should have mentioned hours ago by the way) | 03:20 |
Wafficus | the only thing is | 03:21 |
Wafficus | I'm moving in about a week | 03:21 |
Wafficus | so I packed away that desktop computer | 03:21 |
Wafficus | aka I took out the video card so it wouldn't get destroyed since that's a classic LAN party move | 03:21 |
gnarface | then all that information does is expand the possibilities of places you fucked it up and add the extra possibility of a driver or hardware-specific problem | 03:22 |
gnarface | if you want to figure this out your best chance is to figure out what's different about that machine's install | 03:23 |
gnarface | if it's nothing, then you know the difference is in the audio driver itself | 03:23 |
gnarface | (or in the audio hardware, if they're using the same exact version of the same exact driver) | 03:23 |
Wafficus | I just remember installing it the same method, and it just working lol | 03:23 |
gnarface | was it the same version kernel though? | 03:24 |
gnarface | difference in kernel version could cause alsa regressions (and frequently do) | 03:24 |
gnarface | but difference in wine versions is known for that as well | 03:24 |
gnarface | and was the other machine also 64-bit, or was it a 32-bit base install? | 03:25 |
Wafficus | hmm | 03:25 |
Wafficus | eh they were both 64 bit machines | 03:25 |
Wafficus | *are rather | 03:25 |
Wafficus | both are i7 cpus | 03:25 |
Wafficus | the other machine has its own separate video card | 03:25 |
Wafficus | this one has an integrated video card I'm assuming | 03:25 |
gnarface | unlikely to affect audio | 03:25 |
Wafficus | yeah I know ha | 03:25 |
Wafficus | just listing the obvious first before the nitty gritty | 03:26 |
gnarface | check kernel and wine version differences | 03:26 |
Wafficus | the only other thing I can think of is that the audio interface I setup for it | 03:26 |
Wafficus | aka the focusrite scarlet 2nd gen | 03:26 |
Wafficus | on the desktop machine | 03:26 |
Wafficus | i would but the desktops already packed up :/ | 03:26 |
Wafficus | it looks like based on Arch's installation, you gotta configure it to use 32 bit ALSA | 03:28 |
Wafficus | but idk about the Devuan variant | 03:28 |
Wafficus | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=97655 | 03:28 |
gnarface | Wafficus: was it an older version of wine? wine is known for regressions but also they changed the default wine prefix creation from 32-bit to 64-bit, maybe that's all that changed.... | 03:56 |
gnarface | Wafficus: you can still override it with the WINEARCH and WINEPREFIX environment variables, check the wiki | 03:56 |
gnarface | Wafficus: if you get it working, you should add an appdb entry too | 03:57 |
Wafficus | nah same version of WINE ha | 04:08 |
Wafficus | just did it a week or so ago, so idk | 04:08 |
Wafficus | must have been magic | 04:08 |
gnarface | Wafficus: did you use winetricks on the previous install and forget perhaps? maybe try cloning the ~/.wine directory from that machine over to the new install to see if it magically works | 04:15 |
gnarface | Wafficus: you could also try asking for advice in their IRC channel too... odds are very low of finding anyone actually helpful in there but it's the next best place to look | 04:16 |
Wafficus | nah on the previous install | 04:22 |
Wafficus | I flat out did nothing special | 04:22 |
Wafficus | and just installed it | 04:22 |
Wafficus | gotcha | 04:22 |
Wafficus | thanks for that | 04:22 |
Nematocyst | is there a curses-based installer for beowulf, and what's the command to invoke it after x fails to start? i'm just assuming i can solve the video related problems post install, but don't really know how to address them during install | 06:00 |
Nematocyst | i got it. netinstall iso just starts up that way. | 06:07 |
absinthe | Hello. It seems anacron and cron are both running, is there any reason for this ? (chimaera, with default install) | 12:01 |
gnarface | probably a bug | 12:02 |
absinthe | should i report it ? :> | 12:04 |
gnarface | on chimera? probably only if it's not happening in debian too | 12:04 |
gnarface | i would just uninstall one of them | 12:04 |
absinthe | ah, can't test that for now | 12:04 |
absinthe | yes, i'll remove anacron | 12:04 |
absinthe | thanks | 12:05 |
gnarface | it seems unlikely to be related to systemd, so it's probably a normal packaging related bug expected of testing, which is under construction | 12:05 |
gnarface | and it's probably the same in debian too | 12:05 |
gnarface | which means you might want to report it to them, but verify first to be sure | 12:06 |
openbsdtai123 | Hello why not adding elvis 2.2. as a binary in devuan SID? | 12:30 |
openbsdtai123 | btw, I used openrc and it works faster than sysvinit. it is great | 12:30 |
openbsdtai123 | here the cool link: http://ftp.fr.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/packages/distfiles/elvis-2.2_0.tar.gz | 12:31 |
gnarface | there's probably a good reason it isn't in debian if it's not already, but you should submit it to them, not devuan | 12:33 |
filipdevuan_ | yo i have got plenty dvd's that i'd like to rip into mp4 format from dvd they're movies... I downloaded k3b but it reports some transcode package is needed to rip dvd's and that package is not available in synaptic | 15:28 |
filipdevuan_ | maybe i'll try handbrake | 15:29 |
Joril | filipdevuan_: it looks like transcode was removed from Debian, since Stretch | 15:33 |
filipdevuan_ | ok, no worries, thanx :) | 15:33 |
Joril | See here: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=817199 | 15:35 |
filipdevuan_ | ok cool thanx | 15:56 |
filipdevuan_ | HandBrake does it for me, currently ripping game of thrones thx :) | 15:56 |
brocashelm | i personally like runit more than openrc or sysvinit. it could get better support on debian/devuan, however | 16:01 |
brocashelm | not that it's not a problem for me, but i mean coverage in terms of troubleshooting stuff and other tweaks | 16:01 |
filipdevuan_ | i heard that s6 skarnet supervision suite is better than runit | 16:01 |
brocashelm | ^ double negatives. ignore that | 16:02 |
filipdevuan_ | huh?? | 16:02 |
brocashelm | i said "not that it's not a problem for me" | 16:02 |
brocashelm | i meant to say "not that it's a problem for me" | 16:02 |
filipdevuan_ | i had a chat with void linux ppl once and one guy told me runit is good but s6 skarnet is successor to runit | 16:03 |
brocashelm | i'll have to try that out | 16:07 |
brocashelm | i know it was dropped by canonical, but upstart was a good and simple init IMO | 16:07 |
filipdevuan_ | http://www.skarnet.org/software/s6/ | 16:08 |
MinceR | not as good as all the others, except for systemd | 16:10 |
MinceR | it abuses SIGSTOP and ptrace | 16:10 |
ham5urg | I installed devuan with encrypted home and watned to change the password. Any howto anywhere? | 16:31 |
sacioz | helloo an update is showing sub-process /usr/binn/dpkg ret error code1 | 16:42 |
sacioz | short of reinstalling any pointers ? | 16:42 |
sacioz | *binn > bin | 16:42 |
ham5urg | luksChangeKey was it | 16:43 |
sacioz | nothing seems to work..tried the lot | 16:44 |
sacioz | May someone help me out ,please ? | 16:46 |
sacioz | Sigh ..no go , joe , way too busy... | 16:51 |
sixwheeledbeast | I would normally reconfigure dpkg at that point | 16:51 |
sacioz | oh thnx sixwheeledbeast | 16:51 |
sacioz | tried that and no avail | 16:51 |
sixwheeledbeast | dpkg ––configure –a | 16:52 |
sacioz | nvm , yezzz nothing..its a piece of image thats refusing to go | 16:53 |
sacioz | been trying for three days now...thnx a lot will reinstall and hope for the best this time...bye for now.. | 16:54 |
bean | how can I trace the origin of a compositor problem that happens when I install a proprietary video driver? | 19:45 |
bean | brb | 20:02 |
bean | I'm back | 20:43 |
gnarface | i think you already found the origin bean, but all i can guess if you want more info is to try to stack trace Xorg | 20:50 |
bean | I want to use the video driver without this problem, if possible. Because the driver lets me control my backlight brightness. It is firmware-amd-graphics | 20:58 |
bean | I looked it up online and saw that some people recommended downgrading libxcb for what seemed to be a similar problem, but I haven't tried that yet | 21:00 |
bean | maybe I can stack trace xorg | 21:00 |
bean | I already have a .xsession-errors log for what happened though, and someone told me it looked like a compositor problem based on that | 21:01 |
bean | I'll just put the log here https://defuse.ca/b/rMAnKhQv it is a severe graphical glitch that leaves the computer essentially unusable and I couldn't take a screenshot of it because in the screenshot things look normal, which is why I was told it seemed like a compositor issue | 21:07 |
gnarface | bean: this is on beowulf? you could try the beowulf-backports kernel | 21:20 |
gnarface | bean: (and corresponding firmware) | 21:20 |
gnarface | you might also need mesa from backports | 21:20 |
bean | I am on the beowulf-backports kernel on beowulf already | 21:21 |
bean | I have also tried the beowulf-backports version of the firmware, although it is possible I didn't try both at the same time... | 21:21 |
bean | oh, I wonder if I tried the mesa from backports | 21:21 |
gnarface | bean: typically those 3 things go together as a set. if you get one from backports you usually need all 3 from backports. | 21:26 |
gnarface | bean: maybe also a xorg related package too | 21:27 |
gnarface | bean: you could try another compositor too perhaps if that fails | 21:27 |
bean | I see, thank you | 21:31 |
meep_____ | I am upgrading ascii to beowulf | 23:16 |
meep_____ | on my server, I get this message https://dpaste.com/FSTUJQMHX | 23:16 |
meep_____ | I've never gotten a message like this ever before | 23:16 |
meep_____ | is it safe to press yes? | 23:16 |
meep_____ | what's going on here? | 23:16 |
gnarface | if you want me to actually look at the error, either use paste.debian.net or /msg it to me directly | 23:17 |
gnarface | hmmm | 23:19 |
gnarface | did freenode enable flood protection for private messages? | 23:20 |
DonkeyHotei | such is usually a client bug | 23:21 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | test | 23:22 |
gnarface | well, if he comes back i guess tell him to use paste.debian.net instead... i only got about 4 lines of his paste but they didn't look like errors. it looked like it was functioning normally | 23:23 |
gnarface | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED: test acknowledged | 23:23 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | hey | 23:23 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | it's me | 23:23 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | idk what happened the gateway froze up | 23:23 |
gnarface | you're meep______ ? | 23:23 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | gnarface, what's wrong with dpaste? | 23:23 |
gnarface | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED: lacks my trust | 23:23 |
gnarface | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED: sorry, i didn't know flood protect was on for private messages | 23:24 |
gnarface | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED: i suspect that's new | 23:24 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | https://paste.debian.net/1158117/ | 23:24 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | ok weird, didn't think there was anything you had to trust about a pastebin | 23:24 |
gnarface | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED: ok so that's a pretty weird paste, you're right. | 23:25 |
gnarface | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED: how did you update exactly? is this aptitude or apt-get? | 23:26 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | apt update | 23:26 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | apt dist-upgrade | 23:26 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | should i cntrl-C? | 23:27 |
gnarface | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED: it looks like it's listing change log entries, never seen that before... i would wonder what changed | 23:27 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | oh wait | 23:27 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | i think it's a vim mistake | 23:27 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | :s!ascii!beowulf!g | 23:27 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | instead of :%s!ascii!beowulf!g | 23:27 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | sigh no | 23:28 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | still get those GRAVE and SERIOUS bigs warning | 23:28 |
gnarface | i can't tell if it's listing change log entries or just the most recent bug reports, but either way it's not something i've ever seen it do either, and i've done several ascii->beowulf upgrades now | 23:29 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | I have done several ascii to beowulf upgrades as well | 23:29 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | never seen this | 23:29 |
debdog | maybe it's an apt thing? | 23:29 |
debdog | well, s/thing/feature/ | 23:29 |
gnarface | it could be a feature i just don't know about that got enabled some way i can't guess at | 23:30 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | https://paste.debian.net/1158119/ | 23:30 |
gnarface | i'm sure i haven't read that whole man page | 23:30 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | I'm worried to say yes on something warning about grave bugs in a server | 23:30 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | I have only ever enabled the main repository | 23:31 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | never contrib or nonfree | 23:31 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | what do you suggest i do? | 23:31 |
gnarface | show the exact upgrade command? are you passing --verbose or something? maybe there is a simple explanation | 23:32 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | no | 23:32 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | i just run | 23:32 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | apt update | 23:32 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | apt dist-upgrade | 23:32 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | as root | 23:32 |
gnarface | i'm curious if apt-get behaves any differently | 23:32 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | are you asking me to use that instead? | 23:33 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | no | 23:33 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | apt-get dist-upgrade still gives me those warnings | 23:33 |
gnarface | yea, i was asking you to try that instead, that answers my question | 23:33 |
gnarface | do you have apt-listbugs installed? | 23:33 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | yes | 23:33 |
gnarface | uninstall it | 23:33 |
gnarface | then try the upgrade again | 23:34 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | if that's the case is selecting yes harmless? | 23:34 |
gnarface | if my hypothesis is correct, yes, but that's based on a lot of blind assumptions | 23:34 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | in that case i'm just going to say yes to install despite bug warnigns | 23:35 |
gnarface | i would recommend a backup first if this is important | 23:36 |
gnarface | but either way let me know what happens | 23:36 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | because i do want listbugs | 23:36 |
gnarface | oh | 23:36 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | yes i made a live snapshot | 23:36 |
gnarface | well maybe it's doing this, i don't know, i've never installed it | 23:36 |
gnarface | it looks like it's normal operation though. it doesn't look like it's breaking | 23:36 |
gnarface | i've just never seen it do that | 23:37 |
gnarface | but i also don't have apt-listbugs installed | 23:37 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | why is apt seccomp sandbox off by default? despite me being encouraged to turn it on? | 23:37 |
gnarface | no idea | 23:37 |
gnarface | i didn't do it | 23:37 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | so i am in the list-changes pager | 23:38 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | is there a way to write the pager buffer to disk so i may browse it later? | 23:38 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | is it vim-like? | 23:38 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | can i do :w somefile | 23:38 |
gnarface | i think it's vim-like, yes | 23:39 |
gnarface | not sure, might depend on if you have less installed or not | 23:39 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | ok thanks | 23:40 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | so theres another thing I have to ask about beowulf. I know it's moving to NFT, does that mean If I want to migrate to nft I should purge arptables and ebtables? | 23:40 |
gnarface | hah | 23:42 |
gnarface | so, i don't know, but i suspect that the answer is not only no, but that you've also implied a prior question which you erroneously answered yes to | 23:43 |
gnarface | also i've never heard of ebtables or arptables | 23:44 |
gnarface | i can infer that arptables is not mutually exclusive with any of the others | 23:45 |
gnarface | but i also would just advise you to stick with iptables | 23:45 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | I really don't want to stick with iptables | 23:45 |
gnarface | oh, i assumed that would be the easiest answer for you. do what you want then. | 23:45 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | I know iptables very well, but i've also been migrating all my firewalls by hand to nft | 23:45 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | the syntax really is much better | 23:46 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | though this time | 23:46 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | I would be doing server side natting + dynamic firewall + routing | 23:46 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | and over a bridge interface | 23:46 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | with ipv6-pd and ipv6-stateless autoconfig | 23:46 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | which is quite a large amount of things | 23:46 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | arptables is for ARP filtering and ebtables is for layer2 bridge filtering | 23:47 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | I hear all that functionality got merged into nft | 23:47 |
paynode | that seems quite complex...what does this all achieve CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | 23:48 |
paynode | just curious, as ive not had a need for any of this yet | 23:48 |
gnarface | he's hosting with virtual servers | 23:49 |
paynode | ah | 23:49 |
gnarface | private cloud | 23:49 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | hyper-efficient and stateless LXC container hypervisor | 23:49 |
paynode | vps | 23:49 |
gnarface | it sounds similar to my setup but i'm not using any ipv6 and it's all iptables except the bridge which is ... bsd | 23:49 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | so all IP configuration except for prefix delegation is done without manual configuration and without state so it's very reliable | 23:50 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | including DNS | 23:50 |
paynode | is this seriously how complex it is to setup your own host with vps'es vs just buying vpses? or is it also this complex if i just buy a vps? | 23:51 |
gnarface | paynode: you don't have to do anything this fancy | 23:52 |
paynode | phew | 23:52 |
gnarface | and it's always easier to just buy vpses | 23:52 |
gnarface | but that's how they milk you | 23:53 |
gnarface | you save money with a custom setup if you know what you're doing | 23:53 |
gnarface | plus you can get some extra layers of security in place that normally you couldn't expect of a 3rd party vendor | 23:53 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | this is true | 23:53 |
gnarface | but you do have to understand the basic math behind your provisioning | 23:54 |
gnarface | you have to know about how many servers you're going to need | 23:54 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | this is my fancy setup I made after doing very large KVM/QEMU hypervisors in colocations | 23:54 |
gnarface | or you end up spending way too much or not nearly enough (either could be disasterous) | 23:54 |
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