| nemo | the answer is... pin still required with latest version | 00:01 |
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| nemo | presumably ubuntu 18.04 was on an older X and they are pretty serious about what they support | 00:01 |
| paynode | are some amd gpu cards "just working" or is it mostly intel cards that work great on devuan/other? | 00:26 |
| gnarface | ouch | 00:28 |
| gnarface | might be true | 00:28 |
| gnarface | although the newer nvidia cards do actually work pretty well for the most part if you get the backports or newer driver & kernel for them | 00:28 |
| gnarface | ... unless you care about sleep | 00:29 |
| gnarface | they seem to really suck with sleep | 00:29 |
| gnarface | corrupted buffers on resume and such | 00:29 |
| gnarface | the windows driver doesn't have that problem | 00:29 |
| gnarface | so does that count as "just working" or not? | 00:29 |
| gnarface | the gaming experience is on par with windows for many games at least | 00:30 |
| gnarface | even all the intel hardware doesn't "just work" if you're counting everything like video decoding | 00:31 |
| gnarface | but you have to be less careful about which models you buy with intel yea probably | 00:31 |
| gnarface | but at best the performance will be marginal | 00:31 |
| paynode | you mean s/sleep/suspend/? | 00:38 |
| gnarface | yea i guess | 00:39 |
| paynode | amd seems slower to provide drivers (for the kernel as well) took 2-4 years before suspend and brightness worked on an all-in-one | 00:40 |
| paynode | and im not even sure those were blobless drivers... | 00:40 |
| paynode | unlike intel which seems to stay pretty blobless, i think, other than microcode/fsp and such | 00:41 |
| gnarface | well... kinda | 00:44 |
| gnarface | intel stuff has blobs too, it's just that they gave a license to the kernel so they can be distributed with it | 00:45 |
| gnarface | amd and nvidia won't change their licenses to do that | 00:45 |
| gnarface | but at least what amd does is make a driver that will give you basic functionality without the firmware | 00:45 |
| gnarface | so if you don't care about performance you can still use one to get work done with all free software | 00:45 |
| gnarface | nvidia doesn't do that | 00:45 |
| gnarface | the open source driver for nvidia cards (nouveau) is entirely 3rd party... and their developers all by policy tell people don't even buy nvidia cards | 00:46 |
| gnarface | and they don't have full power management support for any card either | 00:48 |
| paynode | "developers all by policy tell people don't even buy nvidia cards" could u rephrase? | 00:49 |
| gnarface | i mean if you ask them which nvidia card to buy, they have a policy of telling you not to buy one at all | 00:51 |
| gnarface | the nouveau developers themselves would be the first people to advise you to never put yourself in a position where you depend on nouveau | 00:51 |
| gnarface | that's another thing intel and amd aren't doing so far; obsoleting cards | 00:52 |
| gnarface | nvidia obsoleted everything older than the 600 series | 00:52 |
| gnarface | which probably itself doesn't have long left | 00:53 |
| gnarface | so it's actually still possible to game on steam with some games on a really old intel or amd card, like something from the 90's | 00:54 |
| gnarface | whereas you can't even run the steam client if you have too old of a nvidia card | 00:54 |
| gnarface | blizzard games in particular also seem to be in lock-step with nvidia's planned obsolescence schedule | 00:55 |
| gnarface | something shady is going on there | 00:56 |
| gnarface | so yea, it seems like you have to choose between performance or support, and the more performance you get the more evil you have to stomach with it | 00:56 |
| paynode | well the stock prices go up faster the more blobby/evil the company is...between those 3 at least | 01:04 |
| gnarface | yea nvidia's at $429 today i think | 01:04 |
| gnarface | that's just ridiculous | 01:04 |
| gnarface | i would say just pick a amd card carefully... something real popular and mostly working already and hope they fix the rest | 01:05 |
| gnarface | of the 3 companies amd deserves it the most | 01:06 |
| gnarface | what we really need is a open source gpu though | 01:06 |
| gnarface | something that doesn't suck | 01:06 |
| gnarface | anyway, enough of my off-topic soapboxing | 01:06 |
| paynode | theres talk of oshw gpu's on talos-workstation, but i dont think its anything very concrete/wellfunded | 01:14 |
| ShorTie | how can i get a 70-persistent-net.rules file to be made ?? | 12:07 |
| ShorTie | i need to know if eudev changes the nic name | 12:09 |
| rrq | try: udevadm test /sys/class/net/eth0 | 12:26 |
| ShorTie | ok, see lots of info | 12:29 |
| ShorTie | not sure what now though | 12:30 |
| ShorTie | see, the way it works now i basically take 70-persistent-net.rules and copy/rename it to 70-Smoothwall-custom-NIC.rules | 12:34 |
| ShorTie | and all works fine | 12:35 |
| ShorTie | now if the nics change at all, it makes a new 70-persistent-net.rules because 70-Smoothwall-custom-NIC.rules is invalid | 12:36 |
| ShorTie | on boot | 12:36 |
| ShorTie | so i use the presents of 70-persistent-net.rules to kick off a setup so the nics can be redefined | 12:38 |
| ShorTie | you don't want eudev switching eth0 and eth1 interfaces without your knowing | 12:47 |
| ShorTie | hmmm, /run/udev/tmp-rules--70-persistent-net.rules | 13:04 |
| tom_work | I can't update to beowulf | 13:34 |
| tom_work | https://paste.debian.net/1158558/ | 13:34 |
| tom_work | no idea what this error means | 13:34 |
| tom_work | libruby2.6 isn't installed | 13:34 |
| tom_work | there are no held packages | 13:35 |
| ShorTie | 2662 packages can be upgraded, oh my | 13:35 |
| xinomilo | you have debian unstable repo enabled? | 13:35 |
| tom_work | no | 13:35 |
| xinomilo | yes | 13:35 |
| * ShorTie thinkin fresh install.... | 13:35 | |
| xinomilo | Hit:1 http://deb.debian.org/debian unstable InRelease | 13:35 |
| tom_work | only beowulf and beowulf security | 13:35 |
| tom_work | xinomilo, that's not in my source.lst | 13:36 |
| tom_work | where is that coming from? | 13:36 |
| tom_work | oh nvm | 13:37 |
| tom_work | wtf | 13:37 |
| tom_work | how did that get in there | 13:37 |
| ShorTie | might be some where else in /etc/apt other then sources.list | 13:38 |
| xinomilo | look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ | 13:38 |
| ShorTie | i'd like 'grep deb.debian.org /etc/apt' | 13:38 |
| tom_work | still the error though | 13:38 |
| tom_work | https://paste.debian.net/1158559/ | 13:38 |
| ShorTie | oops, grep deb.debian.org /etc/apt/* | 13:41 |
| tom_work | nothing ShorTie | 13:42 |
| xinomilo | https://www.devuan.org/os/packages | 13:42 |
| xinomilo | fix sources.list, then maybe try `apt upgrade` first | 13:42 |
| Unit193 | If you have inxi, then `inxi -r` too. | 13:42 |
| tom_work | i did fix it | 13:42 |
| tom_work | Repos: Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list | 13:46 |
| tom_work | deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main non-free contrib | 13:46 |
| tom_work | deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-security main contrib non-free | 13:46 |
| tom_work | i put it back to ascii to get inxi | 13:46 |
| ShorTie | you good a backup ?? | 13:50 |
| tom_work | that bad huh? | 13:51 |
| tom_work | Should I just reinstall from scratch? | 13:52 |
| tom_work | I originally installed from the devuan ascii beta cd | 13:52 |
| ShorTie | i would | 13:52 |
| tom_work | alright | 13:52 |
| ShorTie | 2662 packages can be upgraded, oh my | 13:52 |
| tom_work | yeah that number seems way off | 13:52 |
| tom_work | no idea where that's coming from | 13:52 |
| tom_work | I originally installed xfce default but moved to i3 because no mouse needed | 13:53 |
| tom_work | no way i'm using 2000 packages | 13:53 |
| tom_work | I'll just copy my data over somewhere tomorrow then reinstall my whole os and recompile my programs tommarrow | 13:54 |
| tom_work | thank you | 13:54 |
| brocashelm | tom_work: are you the same person who wrote the guide on how to use sysvinit+upstart init on ubuntu and mint (xenial)? because i was the one who told you about the without-systemd article | 15:31 |
| DonkeyHotei | brocashelm: tom_work != tomg | 15:46 |
| brocashelm | ok, just making sure | 15:48 |
| nemo | hmmm | 21:56 |
| nemo | polkit suddenly stopped working on my devuan | 21:56 |
| nemo | any idea what I might do to reset it? | 21:56 |
| nemo | trying to run synaptic-pkgexec | 21:56 |
| nemo | polkit-agent-helper-1: error response to PolicyKit daemon: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: No session for cookie | 21:56 |
| nemo | polkit-agent-helper-1: error response to PolicyKit daemon: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: No session for cookie | 22:04 |
| nemo | oups sorry | 22:04 |
| nemo | anyway yeah, can't seem to run synaptic anymore | 22:05 |
| nemo | even if I ssh -Y privileged@localhost | 22:05 |
| nemo | sudo synaptic doesn't work either anymore | 22:06 |
| nemo | xclock works | 22:06 |
| nemo | X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. | 22:07 |
| nemo | Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused | 22:07 |
| MinceR | maybe gksudo synaptic works better? | 22:07 |
| nemo | hm. maybe | 22:07 |
| Tiggez | hi. my grub f#!ed up.. i chrooted into the system and tried to upgrade and reinstall grub.. are we still using the broken version? | 22:26 |
| gnarface | the version in beowulf worked last i checked... | 22:30 |
| gnarface | what broken version? | 22:31 |
| gnarface | did it break recently? | 22:31 |
| gnarface | nemo: you can't restart it with the script in /etc/init.d? | 22:32 |
| nemo | sorry conference. will totally follow up in a bit | 22:37 |
| Tiggez | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1889509 | 22:43 |
| Tiggez | sth with this boothole fix was wrong.. | 22:44 |
| gnarface | Tiggez: you can check versions at pkginfo.devuan.org | 22:44 |
| Tiggez | this just hit legacy bios users.. | 22:44 |
| gnarface | heh, ouch | 22:46 |
| gnarface | that's an ubuntu bug though... would that be relevant to beowulf, or chimera? | 22:47 |
| fsmithred | there's current discussion about a new grub2 bug on forum | 22:47 |
| fsmithred | getting link... | 22:47 |
| fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3714 | 22:47 |
| fsmithred | it's marked as Solved | 22:48 |
| Tiggez | nice thx .. i will look into it | 22:50 |
| brocashelm | any tips for using lynis? is unattended-upgrades useless for security? | 23:17 |
| gnarface | i definitely would advise against it | 23:23 |
| gnarface | kinda a practical matter that's dependent on your user base though a bit | 23:23 |
| gnarface | in some situations where you have trustworthy (non-hostile) but low experience users and the installs aren't mission critical it might make sense to use | 23:25 |
| gnarface | it's best to never do system upgrades in an unplanned fashion | 23:25 |
| brocashelm | i do have apparmor, fail2ban, debsecan, and puppet installed | 23:32 |
| brocashelm | yeah, better to manually update shit | 23:33 |
| brocashelm | i see unattended-upgrades utilizes systemdung strings *vomit* | 23:34 |
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