| nemo | gnarface: is gksudo still a thing? | 00:27 |
|---|---|---|
| nemo | gnarface: can't seem to find it anymore | 00:27 |
| brocashelm | nemo: i have it installed and it works | 00:29 |
| gnarface | nemo: i think it got removed from the repos but i recall people using the jessie one successfully in ascii i think... | 00:30 |
| nemo | ok | 00:30 |
| gnarface | nemo: maybe there's a github repo you can build a current version from | 00:30 |
| nemo | brocashelm: how'd you install it? | 00:30 |
| nemo | mm | 00:30 |
| nemo | do wonder why pkgexec is suddenly choking ☹ | 00:31 |
| MinceR | if it isn't in the repo, i doubt it's worth bothering with | 00:31 |
| gnarface | nemo: there might also be an alternative or the regular sudo package has it now or something... | 00:31 |
| brocashelm | nemo: never mind. i didn't install it. just checked and i have a file in /usr/local/bin titled gksudo that calls pkexec | 00:37 |
| brocashelm | i remember doing that for certain programs to launch correctly if they called gksudo | 00:38 |
| nemo | https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/polkit/polkit/-/issues/17 | 00:48 |
| nemo | commit 2 weeks ago | 00:48 |
| nemo | maybe I installed a bad polkit | 00:48 |
| nemo | off backports or in a recent update | 00:49 |
| nemo | hm https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/polkit/polkit/-/merge_requests/59/diffs?commit_id=716a273ce0af467968057f3e107156182bd290b0 | 00:49 |
| nemo | those 2 seem very very different | 00:49 |
| paynode | are financials on topic here? | 00:51 |
| nemo | libpolkit-agent-1-0/stable,now 0.105-25+devuan8 mate-polkit/stable,now 1.20.2-1 | 00:51 |
| paynode | the 2018 fin report showed 8k raised that year | 00:51 |
| paynode | calyxos/calyx institute based in ny raised 1mil with roughly 2000 members paying 4-600usd each | 00:52 |
| nemo | ugh | 00:52 |
| nemo | fsmithred: ^^ | 00:52 |
| paynode | they essentially give "free" 4g internet to members but they get it subsidized or cheap somehow | 00:52 |
| paynode | the person in charge said it was something "only" available in the us, but maybe they didnt check well enough for NL/other countries, maybe in europe? | 00:53 |
| paynode | nemo...are you alerting him to your msg or mine? | 00:55 |
| paynode | for size comparison, this yearly budget is larger than debian and arch (combined) and a tad smaller than freebsd...other bsds, and other distros I came across other than the big 3 commercial ones have smaller budgets too, from what ive come across... | 00:58 |
| paynode | i want this project to succeed/survive and i think money matters in the long run | 00:59 |
| golinux | How is this a devuan support issue? | 01:00 |
| paynode | the other solution might be to sell devices preinstalled with devuan (and marketed as such, not just tell us what to install and well do it), which i havent seen yet (but do inform if it does) | 01:00 |
| paynode | which channel is better? | 01:00 |
| paynode | offtopic? | 01:00 |
| golinux | Yes. | 01:00 |
| paynode | ah | 01:00 |
| paynode | but thats not logged | 01:00 |
| paynode | or i it | 01:01 |
| paynode | is | 01:01 |
| fsmithred | debianfork is logged | 01:02 |
| fsmithred | nemo, are you confused about the apparent mis-matched versions? | 01:02 |
| fsmithred | those two packages come from different source packages. libpolkit-agent is part of policykit, and mate-polkit is part of mate | 01:03 |
| nemo | fsmithred: naw. thought a bad version had gotten in recently | 01:03 |
| nemo | now not so sure | 01:03 |
| nemo | trying to find the package history | 01:03 |
| nemo | sorry for highlight | 01:03 |
| nemo | highlight first ask questions later | 01:03 |
| MinceR | highlight first, ask Christian Slater | 01:04 |
| golinux | Where is #debianfork logged? I've never found it. | 01:05 |
| golinux | fsmithred: ^^^ | 01:05 |
| fsmithred | oh | 01:05 |
| nemo | heh | 01:05 |
| nemo | legit highlight! | 01:05 |
| golinux | It's not an official devuan channel | 01:05 |
| fsmithred | sorry, it isn't. I was thinking of devuan-dev and devuan | 01:06 |
| fsmithred | it is logged in ~/.config/hexchat (or xchat) if you use one of those | 01:07 |
| MinceR | :> | 01:07 |
| nemo | many channels are filled with unofficial logs ☺ | 01:08 |
| nemo | I can't be bothered | 01:08 |
| nemo | rebooting seems to have fixed everything. | 01:15 |
| nemo | I have no idea why, but maybe due to switching X versions | 01:15 |
| nemo | I hate doing windows solutions but... oh well. | 01:15 |
| nemo | (related to that AMDGPU pro thing, had tested unpinned X with 20.30 but when it failed, switched back to old one. figured reinstalling and restarting X should be sufficient, but maybe it effed up polkit) | 01:16 |
| paynode | fsmithred that is local logging, but im still not znc'ed...i imagine offtopic is not ideal for logging, but perhaps there can be another channel for such talk? unless you want to take it in offtopic... | 01:18 |
| filipdevuan_ | Hey, today when i uploaded some files on usb stick, Devuan has created some .Trash-1000 folder and caused trouble, had to reformat usb stick. What caused that?? | 03:55 |
| gnarface | something you installed | 03:58 |
| gnarface | a trash can utility i assume | 03:58 |
| gnarface | probably part of your window manager | 03:58 |
| paynode | that seems like normal trash folder name, did you reformat because you didnt delete files from trash, and thought your drive was too full? | 03:58 |
| paynode | swap failing because drive full maybe|? | 03:58 |
| paynode | it seems common on many distros, ubuntu ones at least | 03:58 |
| paynode | https://superuser.com/questions/169980/what-is-trash-and-trash-1000 | 03:59 |
| paynode | i usually shift delete to avoid sending to trash entirely | 03:59 |
| filipdevuan_ | i wasn't able to delete or upload files to that usb stick on different laptop and also transfer speeds were very low went down from normal 7mb/s to 500kb/s | 04:00 |
| filipdevuan_ | i deleted 2 files from usb stick and that happened, i used arch linux based distros before and nothing like that has ever happened | 04:00 |
| filipdevuan_ | so i read on web it something that happens on ubuntu linux | 04:00 |
| paynode | well if youve reformated its too late now, but next time see if you can just redelete from that trash folder | 04:00 |
| filipdevuan_ | i am using Devuan Ceres so maybe it has sme stuff from ubuntu?? | 04:00 |
| filipdevuan_ | yeah i wasnt able to delete it | 04:01 |
| paynode | drives can get slow when theyre full, at least hdds used to | 04:01 |
| filipdevuan_ | it said folder contains files | 04:01 |
| filipdevuan_ | wasn't possible to get rid of it, i even tried rm -rf ;pp | 04:01 |
| paynode | i wont lie, weird stuff has happened on linux distros to me before, so something like not being able to delete - yes , happened before, not sure it was trash related though | 04:02 |
| filipdevuan_ | haha yeah anyways Devuan Ceres is really nice | 04:03 |
| filipdevuan_ | i have installed some bunch packages related to debian-edu, lots of stuff!! | 04:04 |
| buZz | .Trash-1000 seems created by nautilus | 04:09 |
| buZz | https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=785512 | 04:10 |
| buZz | solution; dont use nautilus :P | 04:11 |
| buZz | hehe | 04:11 |
| buZz | nah they talk about some option to turn off the trashcan | 04:11 |
| gnarface | you can turn it off | 04:11 |
| gnarface | also i think you can exclude devices from it | 04:11 |
| gnarface | but i don't use nautilus | 04:11 |
| buZz | i use pcmanfm if i really need a clicky interface, but other than that i use just bash or mc | 04:12 |
| furrywolf | why stop with creating an undeletable directory on every device without asking? that's not nearly annoying enough. let's instead convert every connected device to btrfs and create a snapshot every time someone deletes a file. | 04:14 |
| buZz | nice, who'se doing that? :P | 04:14 |
| buZz | who is* | 04:15 |
| furrywolf | no one yet, hopefully. :P | 04:15 |
| MinceR | sounds rather "modern" though | 04:15 |
| NickSeagull | Hello there, has anyone managed to compile the latest emacs on devuan? I'm unable to apt build-dep emacs due to libsystemd-dev | 16:39 |
| NickSeagull | Also, I thought about using prebuilt deb packages but they rely on systemd as well | 16:40 |
| fsmithred | emacs depends on libsystemd0 which 1. does nothing and 2. can be replaced with libelogind0 | 16:50 |
| fsmithred | that'll work for installing pre-built debs. It won't work for build-deps. | 16:51 |
| NickSeagull | I see, thanks fsmithred | 16:55 |
| debdog | mayhap emac's configure script has an option to turn off that dependency? | 16:59 |
| debdog | doesn't solve the build-dep part, though | 16:59 |
| gnarface | i wouldn't think it would be too difficult to change the package to require libelogind0 instead | 17:17 |
| gnarface | then you could rebuild it yourself | 17:17 |
| NickSeagull | Managed to do a ./configure properly, compiling now, lets see how it goes :) | 17:35 |
| * yeti should try somewhen too... for imagemagic (scaling inline pics) and modules support (for vterm) | 19:22 | |
| yeti | and wth does emacs need that systemd dependency? | 19:23 |
| * yeti points to systemE | 19:25 | |
| ham5urg | In which package resides /run/initctl ? | 19:44 |
| yeti | prw------- 1 root root 0 Jun 28 01:31 /run/initctl | 19:45 |
| yeti | probly none | 19:45 |
| yeti | made on startup or on demand | 19:46 |
| NickSeagull | yeti: everything compiled fine, using emacs now :) | 19:46 |
| yeti | :-) | 19:47 |
| NickSeagull | btw, how does one configure sleep on lid close in devuan? All info points to systemd on the internet :/ | 19:47 |
| NickSeagull | I'm using sysvinit btw | 19:48 |
| fsmithred | NickSeagull, search on the forum. There are a few discussions about it. | 19:48 |
| fsmithred | I couldn't get it to work in ascii or beowulf | 19:48 |
| NickSeagull | thanks fsmithred | 19:49 |
| fsmithred | but it does work in xfce in chimaera - just set it in the power manager settings | 19:49 |
| NickSeagull | im using EXWM, lets see if I manage to make it work | 19:49 |
| fsmithred | maybe with pm-suspend | 19:50 |
| yeti | are dialogs nonblocking/nondeadlocking now? | 19:50 |
| yeti | e.g. set default font? | 19:50 |
| yeti | (in EXWM) | 19:51 |
| fsmithred | sorry, I don't understand the question | 19:51 |
| fsmithred | maybe because I don't know EXWM. | 19:51 |
| yeti | emacs as WM | 19:51 |
| fsmithred | oh | 19:51 |
| NickSeagull | yeti, didn't had an opportunity to try it yet, i literally just installed | 19:51 |
| yeti | bestest WM ever... if only it would work | 19:52 |
| yeti | :-Þ | 19:52 |
| fsmithred | so, doesn't emacs need an init system to be emacs as OS? (To answer your earlier question with a question.) | 19:52 |
| NickSeagull | my idea is to have this old netbook as an elisp machine | 19:52 |
| yeti | fsmithred: systemE is emacs as init | 19:52 |
| yeti | :-Þ | 19:52 |
| fsmithred | ah, ok. I thought of elogind when I saw that. | 19:53 |
| yeti | more a joke, but exists | 19:53 |
| yeti | https://yeti.tilde.institute/brain/20200518-184652-GMT__exwm_on_debian10_1600x900.png | 19:53 |
| yeti | left is swallowed FF | 19:54 |
| fsmithred | I guess that runs pretty fast | 19:55 |
| yeti | same speed as usually | 19:55 |
| Guest16246 | hi, i need help: how do i check root filesystems? does Devuan have "Recovery Menu" like Debian? | 20:11 |
| ibanja | my usb-cdrom is not recognized. It's been so long since I've used it I can't remember if I need to install something or what... | 21:07 |
| ibanja | just to be clear, I have tried 3 deferent usb-cdroms with 2 different CDs on 2 different Devuan boxes | 21:08 |
| ibanja | so, it would seem I don't have a module loaded or something not installed. | 21:08 |
| fsmithred | tail -f /var/log/messages | 21:09 |
| fsmithred | plug/unplug the device | 21:09 |
| fsmithred | you should see something | 21:10 |
| fsmithred | lsmod | grep usb | 21:10 |
| fsmithred | gives me six lines of output | 21:10 |
| fsmithred | dont post that here | 21:10 |
| ibanja | the log is here: https://paste.debian.net/1158692/ | 21:11 |
| ibanja | lsusb output is here: https://paste.debian.net/1158693/ | 21:11 |
| ibanja | lsmod seems ok to me unless I am missing something. | 21:12 |
| gnarface | ibanja: it's not a custom kernel? | 21:13 |
| fsmithred | looks like it's /dev/sr0 | 21:13 |
| ibanja | not a custom kernel | 21:13 |
| fsmithred | is there a disk in the drive? | 21:14 |
| ibanja | fsmithred: there is a disk in the drive. shouldn't I see /dev/sr0 when issuing 'lsblk' ? | 21:15 |
| fsmithred | not sure | 21:15 |
| ibanja | also... tried mounting /dev/sr0 ... no go | 21:15 |
| fsmithred | yes | 21:15 |
| fsmithred | I see it with no disk | 21:15 |
| ibanja | I get... mount: special device /dev/sr0 does not exist | 21:16 |
| ibanja | there is a disk in the cdrom... and the light on the cdrom drive blinks two times then pause... | 21:19 |
| ibanja | also, eject does not work... | 21:19 |
| ibanja | I'm not worrying about it for now... thanks... | 21:24 |
| paynode | ibanja, dont know if you intent to burn but when i do need to (and the drive is busy/not showing/ cdrskin --drive_not_o_excl works often...the driver (sg?) needs to be installed though | 21:26 |
| paynode | 21:26 | |
| ibanja | paynode: thanks, but I just want to read it, you gave me an idea. I installed kb3 and now /dev/sr0 shows up under lsblk | 21:30 |
| paynode | np | 21:31 |
| ibanja | unfortunately, I still can't mount it... I get "mount: special device /dev/sr0 does not exist" | 21:31 |
| fsmithred | ot | 21:32 |
| fsmithred | oops | 21:32 |
| paynode | as much as i dislike some aspects of ubuntu, mount and co is something it does seemlessly | 21:32 |
| fsmithred | it's not an audio CD, is it? | 21:32 |
| ibanja | not an audio cd... it's pictures. | 21:34 |
| ibanja | and I've tried other CDs in case it was corrupted. | 21:34 |
| wikan | left /window right | 22:42 |
| wikan | any time I shutdown devuan it takes long time because lvm is busy | 22:50 |
| wikan | dunno why | 22:50 |
| gnarface | encryption maybe? | 22:52 |
| wikan | yeap | 22:52 |
| wikan | but debian is fine | 22:52 |
| fsmithred | no, it's a bug | 22:53 |
| fsmithred | I'll find you the fix | 22:53 |
| wikan | not only one bug I noticed | 22:54 |
| wikan | :) | 22:54 |
| wikan | but still I love deuan | 22:54 |
| wikan | i fixed lxc-net start script | 22:55 |
| fsmithred | Replace /lib/cryptsetup/cryptdisks-functions with https://git.devuan.org/devuan/cryptsetup-modified-functions/raw/branch/master/cryptdisks-functions | 22:55 |
| wikan | because was stopping system booting for 30 seconds | 22:55 |
| fsmithred | yeah. That's fixed in chimaera/ceres | 22:56 |
| wikan | great i have to learn how to click on this link in weechat :| | 22:57 |
| wikan | fsmithred: but... encryption works, right? | 22:58 |
| fsmithred | huh? | 22:58 |
| fsmithred | yeah, encryption was not broken | 22:58 |
| wikan | do you know where I can read about this bug? | 22:59 |
| fsmithred | yeah, see the changelog | 22:59 |
| wikan | i will try diff - maybe it will well me something | 22:59 |
| fsmithred | https://git.devuan.org/devuan/cryptsetup-modified-functions | 22:59 |
| fsmithred | sorry, it's not in the changelog | 23:00 |
| wikan | ok thanks ;) | 23:02 |
| wikan | maybe another question - not sure if it is devuan issue | 23:03 |
| wikan | i use xephyr to connect to my container's x session | 23:04 |
| wikan | when I close xephyr window from login screen it stops fine | 23:04 |
| wikan | but when i close window from xsession then xephyr window closes but working in the background because xwindow-menager process doesn't stop | 23:04 |
| fsmithred | https://bugs.devuan.org//cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=271 | 23:04 |
| fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2690 | 23:04 |
| fsmithred | I can't picture what you're doing with xephyr. | 23:06 |
| fsmithred | When I've used it, I started xephyr with some options that included a window manager command. | 23:06 |
| gnarface | how is xephyr different from vlc? | 23:07 |
| fsmithred | a window opens, and when I'm done I just close that window | 23:07 |
| fsmithred | vlc connects you to an xserver | 23:07 |
| fsmithred | xephyr is an xserver | 23:08 |
| gnarface | i mean vnc of course | 23:08 |
| gnarface | but i see | 23:08 |
| fsmithred | xserver-xorg-video-xephyr | 23:08 |
| fsmithred | vnc? | 23:08 |
| fsmithred | oh yeah | 23:08 |
| fsmithred | I was getting confused with vpn | 23:09 |
| fsmithred | too many | 23:09 |
| wikan | vnc is worst | 23:10 |
| wikan | has many issues | 23:10 |
| fsmithred | I use it a lot | 23:10 |
| wikan | screen refreshing issues | 23:10 |
| wikan | xephyr is just fine | 23:10 |
| fsmithred | oh yeah, it sucks in some ways, but for my use it doesn't matter | 23:10 |
| wikan | and xephyr seems to be "faster" | 23:11 |
| wikan | maybe because there is no screen issues I connect with poor responsivity | 23:11 |
| wikan | i have tried to install my container on alpine. Very timy system... until you start installing stuff. After configuring it alpine was maybe 100MB smaller than devuan | 23:13 |
| wikan | not much | 23:13 |
| wikan | but remote connection sometimes worked sometimes not. mostly not | 23:13 |
| gnarface | wikan: have you tested xephyr for gaming? | 23:25 |
| gnarface | wikan: i may have asked that before, i forget the answer | 23:39 |
| wikan | nope | 23:42 |
| wikan | i don't play games | 23:42 |
| wikan | but apps act normal. Sometimes I don't know if I am on host or quest ;) | 23:45 |
| wikan | i use xephyr to connect via host's nat to containers so it is not long distance or virtual machine connection. | 23:48 |
| wikan | but there is a lot of xserver tricks you may use. Like opening container's/vm's apps on your host's desktop instead virtual xserver desktop window | 23:50 |
| wikan | any one use i3? | 23:54 |
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