CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | what is this -enable-kvm coming from | 07:35 |
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CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | hasn't it always been -machine accel=kvm | 07:35 |
DonkeyHotei | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED: no. | 08:11 |
DonkeyHotei | it was always -enable-kvm | 08:12 |
DonkeyHotei | the accel thing is recent | 08:12 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | What is devuan desktop environment in the installer? | 10:23 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | if XFCE is not selected | 10:23 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | and what do I do if my computer is not BIOS or UEFI | 10:26 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | but grub is built into the firmware | 10:26 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | nvm | 10:30 |
openbsdtai123 | hello, is it possible to stay more Unix and BSD than going madness like debian? | 10:39 |
openbsdtai123 | dmesg shall not be lockdown. | 10:40 |
openbsdtai123 | su shall remain with full power. | 10:40 |
openbsdtai123 | and so on. | 10:40 |
Joril | CAPTCHA_REQUIRED: I think that XFCE is installed by default even if it's not specifically selected | 10:51 |
ham5urg | How do I get the command lvm into initramfs' busybox? I want to boot from LVM but the initramfs can't find the device, so it drop's me into busybox' shell. | 11:16 |
fsmithred | openbsdtai123, 'dpkg-reconfigure iputils-ping' | 11:18 |
fsmithred | echo 'ALWAYS_KEEP_PATH yes' >> /etc/default/su | 11:19 |
DPA | echo 'sysctl kernel.dmesg_restrict=0' >> /etc/sysctl.d/10-local.conf && sysctl --system | 11:23 |
DPA | Ups, I meant: echo 'kernel.dmesg_restrict = 0' >> /etc/sysctl.d/10-local.conf && sysctl --system | 11:24 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | how do I fix random freezeups with beowulf? | 11:27 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | I'm on a laptop with a samsung SSD | 11:27 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | over a encrypted LVM | 11:27 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | I'm copying a file from a usb hard drive to my internal SSD (a tarball) and my system keeps randomly freezing up and the hard disk activity light stays on | 11:27 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | io elevator is mq_deadline | 11:28 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | absolute fresh beowulf install | 11:28 |
openbsdtai123 | fsmithred: what is it? To make devuan look more like normal unix. is it possible that devuan cry a bit long debian, and go alone without debian? devuan needs to be an adult OS. Now it is time to fix debian ;) | 11:28 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | nothing but dwm, mc, elogind, dbus, qterminal, running | 11:28 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | not seeing anything weird in dmesg | 11:29 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | oh and tor and getty | 11:29 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | and rsyslogd | 11:29 |
fsmithred | openbsdtai123, no it's not possible for us to separate from debian. Unless maybe you have a few hunderd devs ready to join and help. | 11:29 |
openbsdtai123 | why not? if you stick to look like debian, it looks ugly. | 11:30 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | what do you mean look like debian openbsdtai123 | 11:30 |
brocashelm | devuan is actually my first time using debian (past a live boot), lolz | 11:32 |
brocashelm | i can see why debian is highly preferred as a base | 11:32 |
fsmithred | yeah, sorry. Not awake yet, so I don't know the difference between dmesg and ping. | 11:33 |
fsmithred | openbsdtai123, there's about a dozen active devuan devs. | 11:33 |
fsmithred | we strive to do as little as possible | 11:34 |
fsmithred | devuan desktop is prettier than debian. Debian has always been butt-ugly. | 11:35 |
brocashelm | especially refracta desktop IMO | 11:35 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | idk about that | 11:36 |
brocashelm | love the outer space wallpaper | 11:36 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | other than GNOME3 is absolute hot garbage | 11:36 |
fsmithred | oh, that's a persistent reaction to the spacefun theme | 11:36 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | so is adwaita | 11:36 |
fsmithred | which you probably missed if you weren't using debian | 11:37 |
brocashelm | yeah, i never used debian, aside from trying out lmde3 very briefly | 11:37 |
fsmithred | https://wiki.debian.org/DebianArt/Themes/SpaceFun | 11:37 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | right now just using dwm on the lappy and fluxbox on the workstation | 11:37 |
brocashelm | but it still looks pretty good to me | 11:37 |
fsmithred | DPA, thanks for that. I was looking for that recently and couldn't find it. | 11:40 |
openbsdtai123 | I have copied the packages deb onto my /target. How to unpack them --foreign onto /target with a foreign arch? ar x or something? I have a rpi3b and I want to deploy the deb files onto my pendrive x86. | 16:13 |
gnarface | you have to enable multi-arch, start binfmt-support and do something with qemu-i386-static or qemu-x86_64-static | 16:26 |
gnarface | well, that's to use any binaries in them | 16:27 |
gnarface | the packages will probably install normally with "dpkg -i [package name]" as long as you enable multi-arch | 16:27 |
gnarface | but there's no guarantee you'll be able to use anything in them without the binfmt-support and qemu bits | 16:28 |
DPA | openbsdtai123: If you have a rootfs or debootstrap a rootfs of a foreign architecture, and want to install or execute something in there, just install the qemu-user-static, and you should be able to just chroot into it. | 16:53 |
DPA | Maybe bind mount dev, sys, and tmp. There is no need to do anything with multi-arch in that case. binfmt-support should be set up by qemu-x86_64-static automatically. Copying qemu-*-static to the root to chroot | 16:53 |
DPA | to is no longer necessary since beowulf/buster, I think. qemu-x86_64-static isn't all that stable, though, and seccomp can somtimes cause a lot of trouble. | 16:53 |
gnarface | i had better luck with it in ceres | 16:58 |
wikan | hi tell mi once again what is text installer in devuan live? | 18:03 |
gnarface | wikan: refractasnapshot or refractainstaller or something like that, i think | 18:05 |
gnarface | wikan: note that it is not the same text installer as the non-live ones | 18:05 |
wikan | it starts in gui | 18:06 |
gnarface | wikan: really? look for other stuff named refracta* in the same path | 18:06 |
wikan | is it possible to install base only from live? | 18:07 |
wikan | mean nothing else that core system | 18:07 |
gnarface | sure with debootstrap | 18:07 |
gnarface | i don't know refracta tools well enough to know if they can do it too | 18:07 |
wikan | is it easy? | 18:07 |
gnarface | debootstrap? | 18:07 |
wikan | yep | 18:07 |
wikan | i like debian installer | 18:07 |
gnarface | well debootstrap just creates the rootfs | 18:08 |
gnarface | you still have to do some minor setup afterwards like install a kernel and bootloader | 18:08 |
wikan | ok, i will use normal iso | 18:08 |
wikan | please, tell me how to check what network driver live cd is using on my computer | 18:08 |
wikan | because i wanna to provide it on usb | 18:09 |
gnarface | lsmod | 18:09 |
gnarface | the netinstall iso may have it already though | 18:09 |
gnarface | lsmod lists all the currently loaded drivers | 18:09 |
gnarface | lspci lists all the currently loaded pci* devices and lsusb lists all the devices connected to the usb bus | 18:10 |
ham5urg | How can I force update-initramfs to include the lvm-tools? | 18:10 |
gnarface | it doesn't do that automatically when you just run it? | 18:11 |
ham5urg | Neither 'vgscan' nor 'lvm vgscan' is available. Maybe something's broken | 18:13 |
wikan | cant figure out what the network driver is :| | 18:13 |
gnarface | wikan: well i can tell you for sure it's none of the ones that start with snd_ | 18:14 |
gnarface | wikan: what does this say? lspci|grep net -i | 18:15 |
wikan | i will install from desktop.iso :) | 18:16 |
gnarface | i really recommend the netinstall first | 18:16 |
gnarface | it's enough smaller that even if it doesn't work it's worth a try | 18:16 |
gnarface | unless you have a gigabit network uplink or something, maybe then it doesn't matter | 18:16 |
systemdlete | from my nightly logwatch: 'lightdm: PAM unable to dlopen(pam_systemd.so): /lib/security/pam_systemd.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory: 1 Time(s)' | 18:17 |
systemdlete | Funny, I thought we had totally wiped all traces of systemd... :D | 18:17 |
wikan | i alwayws was using netistall but not for laptops | 18:18 |
wikan | too many probkems | 18:18 |
wikan | mostly drivers | 18:18 |
gnarface | wikan: did you have a problem with the devuan netinstall on laptops, or are you prejudiced against it because the debian one never worked? | 18:18 |
systemdlete | still, somebody is trying to run systemd something or another | 18:18 |
gnarface | wikan: fyi devuan includes the non-free network wifi firmware in the netinstall iso, debian does not | 18:19 |
wikan | oki | 18:19 |
gnarface | systemdlete: what log file are you seeing that in? | 18:19 |
wikan | downloading netinstall | 18:19 |
gnarface | systemdlete: (cannot reproduce here, so my initial guess is something self-inflicted) | 18:20 |
systemdlete | logwatch says it is in log-secure. When I do a recursive grep, though, I don't find it... | 18:23 |
systemdlete | ah. found it | 18:24 |
systemdlete | auth.log | 18:24 |
systemdlete | was grepping the string given in the watchlog. had to separate it out a bit... | 18:25 |
systemdlete | gnarface: "self-inflicted?" How? I only install software from the repos. | 18:25 |
systemdlete | at least, I think so... | 18:26 |
systemdlete | brave browser and chrome browser are the only 2 add-ons I have on that system. | 18:27 |
systemdlete | since this is (apparently) coming from lightdm, it would be too early for either browser to be running yet. | 18:27 |
systemdlete | oh, look, gnarface: | 18:28 |
wikan | running | 18:28 |
systemdlete | there is also a complaint just before that one, saying that pam is trying to load a "faulty" module, pam_systemd.so | 18:29 |
systemdlete | so PAM is the culprit then. | 18:29 |
systemdlete | systemd is God. It is everywhere, even if we can't see it. And I can't in this case. | 18:30 |
wikan | (-.-)..zzZZZZ | 18:30 |
MinceR | :> | 18:31 |
wikan | (o.-) | 18:31 |
gnarface | systemdlete: stand by, checking a machine with lightdm | 18:32 |
systemdlete | thanks | 18:32 |
wikan | well I can choose wifi network but connection doesn't work | 18:33 |
wikan | standard | 18:33 |
gnarface | systemdlete: confirmed, sorry. it is not self-inflicted | 18:33 |
systemdlete | so you get the message also? | 18:34 |
wikan | downloading desktop iso | 18:34 |
gnarface | systemdlete: yea it's showing on a machine that has lightdm installed. i wouldn't sweat it though unless you actually have a /lib/security/ directory. | 18:34 |
fsmithred | do your power buttons work in lightdm? | 18:34 |
gnarface | systemdlete: it seems to be looking for a some or another systemd pam module but not actually finding it, and as far as i can tell this error is harmless | 18:34 |
gnarface | fsmithred: no, they don't | 18:34 |
fsmithred | ok | 18:35 |
fsmithred | Add the following line to /etc/pam.d/lightdm-greeter | 18:35 |
fsmithred | session optional pam_elogind.so | 18:35 |
gnarface | fsmithred: they're dead to logged-out users (which is probably for the best anyway, i assumed the fact the menu is still there is merely an omission) | 18:35 |
gnarface | thanks fsmithred | 18:35 |
systemdlete | fsmithred: Shouldnt that be done, by default, in shipped packages? | 18:35 |
insecure | hi guys, devuan is great work, keep it up. just here to show my support. | 18:36 |
gnarface | systemdlete: yes, but beggars can't be choosers | 18:36 |
fsmithred | I thought it was fixed in ceres | 18:36 |
fsmithred | here's the bug report: https://bugs.debian.org/932047 | 18:36 |
systemdlete | ceres? I am not running ceres | 18:36 |
gnarface | fsmithred: i can't verify on ceres, my ceres box doesn't have graphical login | 18:36 |
fsmithred | I know it's not fixed in beowulf | 18:36 |
gnarface | fsmithred: am i supposed to append that line btw, or replace this one with it? session optional pam_systemd.so | 18:37 |
systemdlete | fsmithred, gnarface: There is a directory /lib/systemd, which I don't expect on a system where there is no systemd installed/running. | 18:37 |
fsmithred | not sure. I just copied that from the release notes | 18:37 |
gnarface | fsmithred: going with replace then | 18:37 |
brocashelm | ceres is ridiculously stable for me, wtf | 18:37 |
fsmithred | isn't that where systemd service files go? | 18:37 |
systemdlete | I have no idea. Besides, that misses the point. | 18:37 |
fsmithred | yeah it does | 18:38 |
fsmithred | my opinion: we absolutely should not remove that stuff. | 18:38 |
gnarface | brocashelm: it's pretty stable unless you use nvidia hardware, then they break it every time World of Warcraft releases a major version | 18:38 |
systemdlete | why fsmithred? | 18:38 |
brocashelm | gnarface: then thank goodness i don't use nvidia products, lol | 18:38 |
fsmithred | which is the same way I feel about package maintainers who remove init scripts. | 18:38 |
fsmithred | don't fucking remove init scripts | 18:39 |
fsmithred | or service files | 18:39 |
fsmithred | let the package work both ways | 18:39 |
systemdlete | shouldn't all of those be packaged with their respective software? | 18:39 |
fsmithred | what do you mean? | 18:39 |
gnarface | fsmithred: is this fix gonna also fix the power/shutdown/reboot menu on lightdm for logged-out users? | 18:39 |
fsmithred | gnarface, I think so | 18:39 |
systemdlete | so, e.g., if a user installs packge xyz, then the init script(s) that go with xyz get installed also. | 18:40 |
fsmithred | I don't think I've ever noticed a difference in power buttons between logged in and not logged in | 18:40 |
systemdlete | And,here, I am assuming the distro's packagers know to do this. | 18:40 |
fsmithred | systemdlete, yes as long as the init script hasn't been removed from that package | 18:40 |
systemdlete | ? | 18:40 |
fsmithred | no, they can and do remove init scripts | 18:41 |
fsmithred | sometimes for no good reason | 18:41 |
fsmithred | we just had to fork a couple more packages for that reason | 18:41 |
systemdlete | but... they should not be removing init scripts for service managers that are packaged for that distro. | 18:41 |
gnarface | removing rc.local because "nobody is using this anymore, right?" says the guy who's been part of the project for 2 days right before he removes it without actually waiting for any responses | 18:41 |
gnarface | that really pissed me off | 18:41 |
fsmithred | they are not absolutely prohibited from doing so | 18:41 |
fsmithred | see the results of the last GR | 18:42 |
systemdlete | the packaging tools could/should enforce this, for any given distro | 18:42 |
systemdlete | (I assume devuan uses some sort of packaging automata) | 18:43 |
fsmithred | our git is connected to the package build system | 18:44 |
fsmithred | we only package a small percentage of the packages in the repo | 18:44 |
fsmithred | couple hundred, and half of those are just task-$language | 18:45 |
systemdlete | sorry, I keep forgetting you have to do all this yourselves. | 18:45 |
fsmithred | lol | 18:45 |
fsmithred | there'a around a dozen active devs | 18:45 |
systemdlete | yeah | 18:45 |
systemdlete | this is so frustrating. | 18:45 |
fsmithred | debian has hundreds or maybe thousands | 18:45 |
fsmithred | if you want everything packaged to your needs, you should run something like gentoo | 18:46 |
gnarface | heh, they threw multiarch overboard unfortunately | 18:46 |
fsmithred | (I'm not trying to chase you away) | 18:46 |
systemdlete | if you tell people what they have been brainwashed to believe, you get lots of friends | 18:46 |
systemdlete | actually, fsmithred, I'm anxiously awaiting adelie linux. | 18:47 |
gnarface | fsmithred: login screen power button menu works now! hooraaay! | 18:48 |
gnarface | fsmithred: my users would have thanked you if they remembered being mad it wasn't working | 18:48 |
fsmithred | lol | 18:49 |
brocashelm | lol | 18:49 |
fsmithred | that's still less of a pain than waiting for windows update when you're trying to shut down | 18:49 |
fsmithred | We did fork lightdm and it's in chimaera: 1.26.0-7+devuan1 | 18:51 |
fsmithred | afk | 18:59 |
zatumil | thank you, its good to have lightdm in devuan | 19:18 |
* systemdlete is testing the suggested change | 19:23 | |
systemdlete | fail | 19:29 |
systemdlete | sorry fsmithred. I tried it a couple times, but that message still shows | 19:30 |
systemdlete | (in the auth.log) | 19:30 |
gnarface | systemdlete: did you actually reboot? | 19:30 |
systemdlete | it's pretty harmless I guess, though I wonder how secure the login process is if PAM relies on systemd to do its authorization work | 19:30 |
systemdlete | yes! | 19:31 |
gnarface | systemdlete: did you append that line or replace the systemd one with it? | 19:31 |
systemdlete | I can try it once more | 19:31 |
gnarface | systemdlete: make sure to replace the pam_systemd.so line with the pam_elogind.so one, not just append it | 19:31 |
systemdlete | wrong file! | 19:32 |
systemdlete | my bad. | 19:32 |
gnarface | aah | 19:33 |
gnarface | yea that'll do it | 19:33 |
systemdlete | but... | 19:34 |
systemdlete | that line is ALREADY in the (correct) file | 19:34 |
systemdlete | ??? | 19:34 |
gnarface | systemdlete: you're skimming i think. that's what i thought at first | 19:34 |
systemdlete | yes. I admit it. I skimmed. | 19:34 |
systemdlete | but now the issue is that I don't need to add that line fsmithred suggested; it is already in there and has been | 19:35 |
systemdlete | and I still see the message in the auth.log file | 19:35 |
gnarface | systemdlete: are you sure? because it probably is not elogind | 19:35 |
gnarface | session optional pam_elogind.so | 19:36 |
gnarface | read this line letter for letter^ | 19:36 |
gnarface | it's not the same as this one v | 19:36 |
systemdlete | yeah, I see what you mean. I didn't have both in front of me simultaneousy | 19:36 |
gnarface | session optional pam_systemd.so | 19:36 |
systemdlete | ok, so here goes replace | 19:36 |
* systemdlete goes back, keeping both eyes open this time | 19:36 | |
gnarface | you were still skimming. you gotta bust that habit to work with Linux well. (i was a product of the US school system too, so i know what they did to you) | 19:37 |
systemdlete | my brain is broken. | 19:38 |
systemdlete | well, now the error message is still there, but it says it is pam_elogin.so it can't load | 19:39 |
gnarface | hmmm, i wonder if you're missing other packages. it worked fine for me... | 19:39 |
systemdlete | I might not have PAM fully configured | 19:39 |
systemdlete | at least, I never did anything in that regard. | 19:39 |
systemdlete | and, sorry. I know I need to look at things more carefully. | 19:40 |
gnarface | $ dpkg -S pam_elogind.so | 19:40 |
gnarface | libpam-elogind:amd64: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/security/pam_elogind.so | 19:40 |
gnarface | is this package present? | 19:40 |
gnarface | the "skimming" brain damage can be repaired with patience and practice. Linux is really good for this, luckily. | 19:41 |
gnarface | losing the ability to think quick in a pinch is also potentially terminal, but i don't think that is something you need to worry about | 19:42 |
gnarface | what you need to do is learn how to turn that off | 19:42 |
bozonius3 | you are right, of course. | 19:42 |
bozonius3 | dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern *pam_elogind.so* | 19:43 |
gnarface | bozonius3: yea you need libpam-elogind then too | 19:43 |
gnarface | systemdlete: ^ you too | 19:43 |
gnarface | and anything else it wants to drag in probably | 19:43 |
gnarface | oh, you two are the same person | 19:44 |
gnarface | sorry | 19:44 |
gnarface | heh | 19:44 |
* gnarface isn't always paying enough attention, either | 19:44 | |
bozonius3 | yeah, I opened a hexchat in the ascii vm to make it easier. But now I have to log out to test this, so... | 19:45 |
* bozonius3 does not always think AHEAD, either. | 19:45 | |
systemdlete | worked. Thanks | 19:55 |
gnarface | hooray! | 19:55 |
systemdlete | one less distraction in the future. | 19:55 |
gnarface | keep backups of that /etc directory | 19:56 |
systemdlete | always. On all of my hosts and VMs | 19:56 |
systemdlete | (except for my testbox and test VMs) | 19:56 |
systemdlete | on occasion I make an ad-hoc backup of development work on some test system, but it's rare. | 19:57 |
systemdlete | is this corrected on beowulf? | 19:58 |
systemdlete | or just ceres? | 19:58 |
ankokukishi | hello everyone i have a question. i installed refracta onto a laptop but i need japanese support for it. When i installed refracta i set everything to japanese but the proper characters dont show up and no matter what i do in terminal, i cant tell what they want me to do becasue the characters dont show up properly. | 19:58 |
ankokukishi | i found some resources in japanese but even when i try to execute the commands, it says something about sudoers (even though i used sudo in the command) but when i remove it, it cant open a dpkg | 19:59 |
gnarface | systemdlete: fsmithred mentioned it seems to be fixed in chimera already | 20:01 |
systemdlete | yes, I did see that (he said ceres, actually) | 20:02 |
systemdlete | but not beowulf then | 20:02 |
systemdlete | ok | 20:02 |
gnarface | systemdlete: oh what he said was lightdm was forked as of chimera | 20:02 |
systemdlete | Maybe I'll be skipping beowulf and go straight to chimera | 20:02 |
systemdlete | less work to do | 20:02 |
systemdlete | ascii has been stable enough for me | 20:03 |
systemdlete | unless there is some really compelling reason to upgrade to beowulf | 20:03 |
systemdlete | (security, stability, etc) | 20:03 |
gnarface | ankokukishi: does "locale" output the right charmap settings? if so, then you're probably just missing fonts. (otherwise, install the "locales" package then run "dpkg-reconfigure locales") | 20:03 |
gnarface | systemdlete: if this was all that's actually wrong with beowoulf for you i'd wait on upgrading to chimera | 20:04 |
ankokukishi | yeah i think i was missing fonts | 20:04 |
ankokukishi | im seeing if beowolf works better for this and if not ill try refracta agaibn | 20:05 |
systemdlete | gnarface: this wasn't really that earth-shaking either. Like I said, ascii has been very solid and reliable for me so far. | 20:05 |
systemdlete | I deeply appreciate the work all of you have been doing. | 20:05 |
systemdlete | I should probably add you guys in my patreon | 20:06 |
ankokukishi | i appreciate it too, i wanna have a backup plan in case mint devs decide to cuck to canonical | 20:06 |
ankokukishi | i like how low spec and simple devuan is | 20:06 |
wikan | love firefox | 20:11 |
wikan | was downloading devuan 3 times | 20:11 |
wikan | 90% and error 3 times | 20:11 |
gnarface | ankokukishi: i got some regexp magic for you: apt-cache search '^ttf-|^x?fonts-' | 20:11 |
wikan | but why to print message "disk full" :| | 20:11 |
gnarface | ankokukishi: (i don't know if that'll show all of them but i think it'll at least show most of them) | 20:12 |
ankokukishi | that should at least get me far enough to dl a different font set | 20:13 |
ankokukishi | thanks for your help, ill try again with refracta and see what happens | 20:14 |
gnarface | wikan: you could try something like this: wget -O /dev/yourusbdrive https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/installer-iso/devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_amd64-netinstall.iso | 20:15 |
gnarface | wikan: that way it doesnt' need any harddrive space | 20:16 |
fsmithred | ankokukishi, there's a thread on the old refracta forum about japanese locales | 20:17 |
fsmithred | I'll try to find it | 20:17 |
ankokukishi | thanks | 20:17 |
systemdlete | paypal only. :( | 20:19 |
wikan | gnarface: lol nice | 20:19 |
wikan | cleaned disk and downloading via torrent | 20:20 |
ankokukishi | well this isnt going well :( | 20:33 |
ankokukishi | maybe installing in english then switching to japanese might be a better idea? im at a loss when it wont even show the japanese for me to understand what the issue is :/ | 20:35 |
fsmithred | https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/refracta/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=645&p=6121&hilit=japanese#p6121 | 20:37 |
fsmithred | ankokukishi, ^^^ | 20:37 |
fsmithred | see the first post on that page | 20:37 |
fsmithred | and yes, I think you should install in english and then switch. | 20:38 |
ankokukishi | thanks | 20:38 |
ankokukishi | also, when i input sudo the only thing i can read is sudoers | 20:38 |
ankokukishi | something about sudoers | 20:39 |
fsmithred | huh? | 20:39 |
fsmithred | running a live session, or after install? | 20:39 |
gnarface | nobody is enabled in sudoers by default? | 20:39 |
ankokukishi | after install | 20:39 |
gnarface | i think? | 20:39 |
fsmithred | right, nobody enabled unless you chose that during the install | 20:39 |
fsmithred | in live session, user has sudo nopasswd for everything | 20:39 |
fsmithred | one of the choices is sudo for shutdown/reboot only | 20:40 |
ankokukishi | yeah i dunno because the text doesnt show up so i cnat run apt update | 20:40 |
gnarface | for a default install i think you have to add yourself to the sudo group manually, right? | 20:40 |
fsmithred | I've thought about expanding that so that you could choose groups of commands to enable sudo | 20:40 |
fsmithred | just to drive home the idea that sudo is not for everything | 20:41 |
fsmithred | the live installer gives you four choices regarding root/sudo | 20:41 |
ankokukishi | i didnt check any of them | 20:41 |
fsmithred | the debian-installer gives you two: root account or sudo | 20:41 |
fsmithred | you should have a root account | 20:41 |
ankokukishi | yeah i made one and i made a password for it | 20:42 |
fsmithred | if you want sudo, add your user to sudo group or make a file in /etc/sudoers.d/ that sets users/commands or whatever | 20:42 |
ankokukishi | maybe i screwed up during the install process? | 20:42 |
fsmithred | well, if you wanted sudo, you should have checked the appropriate box | 20:42 |
ankokukishi | i only have exp with mint, thats why im having issues i think | 20:43 |
ankokukishi | try installing again | 20:44 |
fsmithred | there are always some annoying differences when you switch distros | 20:44 |
fsmithred | why install again? | 20:44 |
fsmithred | just for sudo? | 20:44 |
ankokukishi | yeah because i cant get into anything | 20:44 |
ankokukishi | cant update, nothing | 20:44 |
fsmithred | su | 20:44 |
fsmithred | then give root password | 20:44 |
ankokukishi | oh | 20:44 |
fsmithred | and you should be able to do anything | 20:44 |
debdog | ("su -") | 20:45 |
fsmithred | not necessary - this is refracta | 20:45 |
debdog | kk | 20:45 |
fsmithred | I already fixed it | 20:45 |
debdog | hehe, good! | 20:45 |
fsmithred | and a few other annoyances | 20:45 |
ankokukishi | oh okay lol | 20:45 |
fsmithred | and the prompt even turns red when you become root so you don't forget you have a gun in your hand | 20:46 |
ankokukishi | i forgot you can set a root password | 20:46 |
ankokukishi | im a super noob at linux still, only like 2 months in | 20:46 |
fsmithred | oh, wow | 20:46 |
fsmithred | you'll notice that less stuff is done for you in devuan than in mint or ubuntu | 20:47 |
ankokukishi | yeah it is | 20:47 |
ankokukishi | lol | 20:47 |
ankokukishi | grr its still giving me the same error | 20:47 |
fsmithred | at first that's a pain, but eventually you may like the idea that whatever is not already set up the way you don't want it | 20:47 |
fsmithred | what error? | 20:48 |
ankokukishi | that sudoers thing | 20:48 |
fsmithred | log out an in again | 20:48 |
fsmithred | for it to take effect (assuming you just added yourself to sudo group) | 20:48 |
fsmithred | did you do that? | 20:49 |
ankokukishi | should be sudo su (password) | 20:49 |
fsmithred | or are you trying to use sudo in a root terminal? | 20:49 |
fsmithred | lol | 20:49 |
fsmithred | no | 20:49 |
fsmithred | su (password) | 20:49 |
fsmithred | then... | 20:49 |
fsmithred | command | 20:49 |
fsmithred | without sudo | 20:49 |
ankokukishi | ah okay | 20:49 |
ankokukishi | my bad lol | 20:49 |
fsmithred | you'll get the hang of it | 20:49 |
fsmithred | I can't remember my first two months with linux | 20:50 |
wikan | what "unable to resume no such file" means? transmission | 20:50 |
wikan | this error stops downloading every few minutes but i can resume | 20:50 |
fsmithred | wikan, probably means you moved the files | 20:51 |
fsmithred | nm, that sounds weird | 20:51 |
wikan | i did do anything | 20:51 |
wikan | it is annoying | 20:51 |
ankokukishi | i couldnt figure it out | 20:52 |
fsmithred | are you trying to get a devuan iso? | 20:52 |
ankokukishi | i tried everything you said | 20:52 |
fsmithred | ankokukishi, what are you trying to do? | 20:52 |
ankokukishi | i need a break before i break something lol | 20:52 |
ankokukishi | i was still trying to apt update but it wouldnt recognize the password, even after logging out and back in again | 20:53 |
fsmithred | um, did you change any passwords during the install? | 20:53 |
ankokukishi | so i think i might need to reinstall and try it in english, then set it to japanese after that | 20:53 |
ankokukishi | no nothing, i kept my passwords the same | 20:54 |
fsmithred | what language did you set at boot? | 20:54 |
ankokukishi | japanese | 20:54 |
ankokukishi | which is why it didnt recognize the fonts | 20:54 |
fsmithred | oh | 20:54 |
fsmithred | you are in unknown territory | 20:54 |
ankokukishi | yeah lol | 20:54 |
fsmithred | take a break then spend the ten minutes to reinstall | 20:54 |
ankokukishi | i found a couple pages in japanese then tried what they said but that didnt work | 20:54 |
fsmithred | I need lunch. I'll be back in a few minutes. | 20:55 |
ankokukishi | im thinking of trying regular devuan and not refracta. | 20:55 |
ankokukishi | okay have a good lunch, its almost 4am here lol | 20:55 |
fsmithred | yeah, if you do a netinstall and choose japanese, it should all work | 20:56 |
ankokukishi | should i use this method? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HRpkjzJUGY | 21:00 |
ankokukishi | ah i see what happened, i just watched a couple videos and i didnt give root access to my user account. bah | 21:06 |
ankokukishi | well 4:15am i need to probably get some sleep, ill try again later and see if i cant figure this thing out lol thanks for all the help | 21:14 |
wikan | can configure wifi in installer :| | 21:55 |
wikan | i can see networks but cant connect | 21:55 |
gnarface | wikan: could be a bug. do you have a wired ethernet to complete the install with so and get updates? | 21:58 |
gnarface | s/ so // | 21:58 |
wikan | yes but i don't have this type of plug | 21:58 |
wikan | i will try tplink usb card | 21:59 |
gnarface | hmmm | 21:59 |
wikan | but i think it is wpa problem | 21:59 |
gnarface | could be... some devices may need the beowulf-backports kernel | 21:59 |
wikan | tplink works | 22:00 |
gnarface | that's wired or wireless? | 22:01 |
wikan | wireless | 22:01 |
gnarface | alright. i would complete the install with it, do a full "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" and then if the other wifi device still doesn't work, see if installing the beowulf-backports kernel fixes it | 22:01 |
wikan | installer probable choosed wrong driver | 22:02 |
gnarface | that's another thing you could easily override from a completed install | 22:02 |
wikan | oki ;) | 22:02 |
gnarface | there might be some non-free firmware for the wifi device, and the package for that SHOULD be installed already, but either way, if you get the beowulf-backports kernel make sure to get that firmware package from beowulf-backports too | 22:03 |
wikan | will ask for help in about 30 minutes ;) | 22:03 |
gnarface | ok | 22:04 |
wikan | i am installing uefi first time | 22:06 |
gnarface | there's no guarantee that wifi device will ever work, but we'll do our best :) | 22:08 |
gnarface | it's good you have a spare | 22:08 |
gnarface | partial functionality is promising though - usually they don't work because the manufacturer refuses to supply the firmware | 22:09 |
wikan | not wifi | 22:09 |
wikan | UEFI :) | 22:09 |
gnarface | sorry to be clear, my statement was irrespective of the UEFI part | 22:09 |
gnarface | but good luck | 22:09 |
fsmithred | my thoughts exactly | 22:10 |
wikan | as i remember | 22:10 |
wikan | wifi has problems even in debian | 22:10 |
wikan | but it works from wicd | 22:10 |
gnarface | if you got it working in debian then it should work in devuan too | 22:10 |
wikan | devuan-live works from wicd | 22:11 |
fsmithred | oh, with that hardware? | 22:11 |
gnarface | fsmithred: does the live image use the same kernel? | 22:11 |
wikan | yeap | 22:11 |
fsmithred | gnarface, yes it uses the stock kernel | 22:11 |
fsmithred | not the installer kernel | 22:11 |
wikan | debian didnt connect from installer | 22:11 |
wikan | but wicd connects me to net ;) | 22:11 |
gnarface | wikan: it may just work after you complete the install then | 22:12 |
wikan | so it is some but in installer | 22:12 |
fsmithred | debian does not include non-free firmware on the official media | 22:12 |
wikan | maybe | 22:12 |
fsmithred | devuan-live has most wireless firmware installed | 22:12 |
fsmithred | not a few of the broadcoms - you have to do those yourself | 22:12 |
wikan | wtf | 22:12 |
fsmithred | they have a fucked up license on some of them | 22:13 |
wikan | system is installing but i didnt chosose anything | 22:13 |
fsmithred | i.e. I get to pay their legal expenses if you sue them | 22:13 |
wikan | suspicious | 22:13 |
fsmithred | what do you mean about system is installing? | 22:13 |
gnarface | wikan: you mean you checked no boxes at tasksel? that's normal behavior. you'll get a base install. | 22:14 |
fsmithred | aren't you running the installer? | 22:14 |
wikan | i did see packages window yet | 22:14 |
wikan | now it is downloading files | 22:14 |
gnarface | wikan: well the netinstall image does download some stuff up front i think... | 22:14 |
gnarface | wikan: what boot menu entry did you select? | 22:14 |
fsmithred | yes | 22:14 |
wikan | install | 22:15 |
gnarface | wikan: i recommend expert text mode | 22:15 |
gnarface | wikan: not sure exactly where it is in the menus these days | 22:15 |
wikan | fucking usless apparmor | 22:15 |
wikan | why is this thit installing | 22:15 |
gnarface | wikan: the kernel package seems to require it | 22:16 |
wikan | i did installed devuan before but it wasnt THIS installation process | 22:16 |
wikan | i did install python before | 22:16 |
wikan | now it is installing by self | 22:16 |
gnarface | wikan: which image did you boot exactly? | 22:17 |
gnarface | wikan: you should see an installer that looks fundamentally identical to the debian one | 22:17 |
wikan | desktop. selected wifi, configured disk, press format and it is installing | 22:17 |
fsmithred | you can remove apparmor | 22:18 |
gnarface | wikan: unless it was in the "installer-iso" directory i think you got the wrong one | 22:18 |
wikan | it doesnt ask me what software i want | 22:18 |
gnarface | wikan: use one of these: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/installer-iso/ | 22:18 |
wikan | desktop from installer-iso | 22:18 |
fsmithred | it will ask | 22:18 |
fsmithred | takes some time to get there | 22:18 |
wikan | ok asked me now | 22:19 |
wikan | after installing a lot of shit | 22:19 |
fsmithred | If you care about what packages get installed, then I suggest you choose none | 22:19 |
gnarface | wikan: actually, scratch that. specifically use the netinstall one then so i know you're using something i've seen | 22:19 |
fsmithred | or just standard system utils | 22:19 |
gnarface | wikan: or nevermind, if you're happy with that. i just realized "desktop" probably implies a lot of pre-selected stuff you may not want. | 22:19 |
fsmithred | gnarface, as long as he selects a mirror, it will be a netinstall | 22:19 |
wikan | well i have tried netinstall and because net did not work i switched to desktop | 22:19 |
wikan | now i know i would check usb card | 22:20 |
fsmithred | but you have a network connection now? | 22:20 |
gnarface | wikan: well, it wasn't obvious how, but i could have helped you do the same thing with the netinstall one | 22:20 |
wikan | well it is fine | 22:20 |
wikan | thanks | 22:21 |
gnarface | wikan: anyway, you're sorted now. you can always "apt-get purge" any packages you don't want | 22:21 |
wikan | i know ;) | 22:21 |
systemdlete | e1000 0000:00:03.0 eth0: Reset adapter | 22:21 |
systemdlete | in a VM | 22:21 |
systemdlete | seems harmless, though it might be slowing things down a bit, idk | 22:21 |
systemdlete | one person indicated that switching to a non-Intel "adapter" helped. | 22:22 |
wikan | when i have seen this error before it was one of last days of my network card life | 22:22 |
systemdlete | problem is, that is the fastest virtual adapter, afaik | 22:22 |
systemdlete | wikan: It's a VM, not real hardware | 22:23 |
wikan | it is one of last days of your vm :P | 22:23 |
systemdlete | I doubt it. This VM has been working for over a year without any major issues. | 22:23 |
systemdlete | Funniest part is that this goes back 5-6 years or so. I'm wondering if this is due to a recent vbox change. | 22:27 |
wikan | switch to lxc ;) | 22:31 |
wikan | what do you suggest for drawing icons on minial desktop? | 22:34 |
gnarface | does the software have to be minimal, or just the desktop view? | 22:36 |
systemdlete | wikan: lxc is not the same as vbox | 22:36 |
systemdlete | lxc requires the guest to be pretty much the same kernel and utils as the host, doesn't it? | 22:36 |
gnarface | systemdlete: i think guests and hosts all share a kernel, not sure about any constraints on the utils | 22:38 |
gnarface | systemdlete: (i don't know much about it, but i use linux-vservers which is similar) | 22:38 |
systemdlete | well, the utils may not work with a different kernel. They might be hardcoded to certain schema which could change from kernel version to the next | 22:39 |
systemdlete | linux-vservers: Not known about that | 22:39 |
ankokukishi | hi again guys. I got my refracta to read japanese but the input method editor hasnt appeared on my panel. Should i restart/log off then log back in and it should work? | 22:39 |
gnarface | systemdlete: linux-vservers is allergic to both systemd and elogind, so lxc could have similar constraints, i just don't know | 22:39 |
gnarface | systemdlete: but other than that you could shoehorn any distro into a guest that can work with the same kernel version as the host | 22:40 |
gnarface | systemdlete: (which for headless servers anyway is usually a lot more forgiving of a range) | 22:40 |
ankokukishi | yeah logging off fixed it lol | 22:40 |
gnarface | ankokukishi: hooraay! | 22:41 |
systemdlete | that's fine if you are, say, an ISP or something. But let's say you provide me with your own fancy driver to fix some bug I reported and you say "here, try this" | 22:41 |
brocashelm | nice | 22:41 |
systemdlete | Now, I trust you, but I'd still like to try it someplace besides my host. | 22:41 |
gnarface | systemdlete: heh, yea it can't really do that | 22:41 |
gnarface | systemdlete: the term i heard was "paravirtualization" | 22:42 |
gnarface | systemdlete: what you want is actual virtualization (or just spare hardware) | 22:42 |
systemdlete | lxc is probably ideal for environments like ISPs | 22:42 |
ankokukishi | well at least the problem was easy enough to solve, give user sudo access LOL | 22:42 |
brocashelm | lol | 22:42 |
gnarface | systemdlete: the approach of paravirtualization is that it is a lot faster without specialized hardware | 22:43 |
systemdlete | in vbox-speak and in xen-speak, "paravirtualization" mean different things | 22:43 |
gnarface | systemdlete: the benefit of the approach, i mean to say | 22:43 |
brocashelm | btw we also have an off-topic channel: #devuan-offtopic | 22:43 |
gnarface | sorry yes, i've drifted off topic my bad | 22:43 |
systemdlete | yeah yeah | 22:43 |
ankokukishi | lol | 22:43 |
systemdlete | my bad too | 22:43 |
wikan | devuan (*x*) | 22:46 |
fsmithred | ankokukishi, you got japanese working? | 22:48 |
ankokukishi | yeah i did, i had to check the box to make the user account have root access | 22:50 |
ankokukishi | once i did that all the commands worked | 22:50 |
fsmithred | cool. | 22:50 |
fsmithred | what's the input method editor? | 22:51 |
ankokukishi | its the the thing that allows you to type in non-romanized languages | 22:51 |
fsmithred | is it ibus? | 22:51 |
ankokukishi | its mozc | 22:52 |
ankokukishi | on linux | 22:52 |
ankokukishi | on windows its "windows input method editor" | 22:53 |
ankokukishi | but we dont care about that | 22:53 |
ankokukishi | lol | 22:53 |
ankokukishi | now i just need to add a couple more programs and then my laptop will be fully refracta operational | 22:55 |
brocashelm | nice | 22:55 |
brocashelm | all my machines are on refracta | 22:55 |
brocashelm | no dual booting bs either | 22:55 |
ankokukishi | im gonna keep mint on this pc for awhile longer, then possibly switch it over later | 22:56 |
ankokukishi | i need to play with refracta more | 22:56 |
brocashelm | yeah, no rush | 22:56 |
brocashelm | have to get a feel for it first | 22:56 |
ankokukishi | i like having two different distros though | 22:56 |
ankokukishi | so i can expand my linux horizons | 22:56 |
brocashelm | you can always just fire up virtualbox and try different distros without compromising your drives | 22:56 |
ankokukishi | yeah i know | 22:57 |
ankokukishi | id probably do that on this pc | 22:57 |
ankokukishi | oh shit i forgot to install powertop LOL | 22:58 |
ankokukishi | oh well whatever | 22:58 |
ankokukishi | nothing i cant do later | 22:59 |
vostro | wikan: Did you get your wifi situation sorted? | 23:03 |
brocashelm | and the refracta tools allow you to make your own live usb installer, so you can copy your settings instantly between machines | 23:03 |
ankokukishi | wow | 23:03 |
wikan | installing :) | 23:04 |
vostro | Wikan: | 23:04 |
vostro | wikan: So, you installed without wifi working? | 23:05 |
wikan | i will tell you in 10 minutes when i reboot | 23:05 |
wikan | i use usb wifi now | 23:05 |
wikan | donwloading pkgs | 23:05 |
wikan | cant stop | 23:05 |
vostro | wikan IC. If you installed without wifi working, you may wind up with connman isntalled which could interfere with network manager or wicd | 23:06 |
fsmithred | connman?? | 23:07 |
fsmithred | wicd is the default for most of the desktops | 23:07 |
vostro | connection manager | 23:07 |
wikan | i use wicd now for usb | 23:07 |
fsmithred | I know what connman is | 23:07 |
vostro | wicd did not install for me when I had to wifi | 23:08 |
fsmithred | what desktop did you choose? | 23:08 |
fsmithred | probably qt | 23:08 |
vostro | LXQt | 23:08 |
fsmithred | yup | 23:08 |
fsmithred | wicd is gtk | 23:08 |
fsmithred | I don't remember what comes with kde. | 23:09 |
wikan | i install wicd by self because network manager is too heavy | 23:09 |
wikan | i use wicd-curses on my laptops :) | 23:09 |
vostro | had to remove connman and then install wicd. Otherwise I would get a conflict | 23:10 |
ankokukishi | im just curious but what was behind the decision to keep the DE of devuan looking like windows 98? To keep it lightweight? | 23:10 |
vostro | Wifi would start off disabled and wouldn't automatically reconnect on boot | 23:10 |
fsmithred | that's xfce | 23:10 |
fsmithred | yes, it's a lightweight desktop environment | 23:10 |
gnarface | ankokukishi: xfce got promoted to default window manager over gnome due to time constraints (it was a lot more work to extract systemd from gnome) | 23:11 |
gnarface | ankokukishi: just stuck that way after because everyone liked it | 23:11 |
fsmithred | win98 had all the basic elements of a useful interface | 23:11 |
ankokukishi | i have mint 20 xfce but it looks more modern, whereas devuan looks "retro" for a lack of a better term. I am not criticizing it, i like it lightweight, just curious :) | 23:11 |
vostro | wind:just make sure connamn isn't installed also. You don't won't two network managers competeing | 23:12 |
brocashelm | xfce is the superior desktop for me | 23:12 |
ankokukishi | i agree | 23:12 |
brocashelm | i'm glad xfce was considered over gnome | 23:12 |
ankokukishi | i hate LMDE because its on cinnamon | 23:12 |
ankokukishi | just wasting memory on flashy crap | 23:13 |
fsmithred | we couldn't even run gnome in devuan at first | 23:15 |
fsmithred | I'm not sure what made the difference. Maybe elogind. | 23:15 |
ankokukishi | wow that sucks | 23:15 |
fsmithred | only for those who want gnome | 23:15 |
vostro | Even if you instal the LXQt desktop, you still get the xfce window manager by default - which is what I am running | 23:16 |
brocashelm | yes, xfwm4 | 23:16 |
fsmithred | not openbox? | 23:16 |
ankokukishi | i like it as is, nice and light, perfect for a laptop, hopefully itll let the battery live longer than mint 20 | 23:16 |
brocashelm | isn't openbox mostly lxde? | 23:16 |
fsmithred | not sure. I've installed lxqt after lxde and had openbox already | 23:17 |
brocashelm | i tried lxde before (lubuntu) and remember the openbox settings | 23:17 |
brocashelm | i didn't like lxde that much | 23:17 |
brocashelm | found it to be a pain to work with, especially with setting the keybindings | 23:18 |
vostro | Debian does a nice job of skinning LXQt. I think much better than anyone else. | 23:18 |
ankokukishi | i dont get why people have to have pretty DEs, functionality is more important *cough*Win10*cough* | 23:19 |
vostro | I believe that Devuan is using the same LXQt skinning package | 23:19 |
ankokukishi | maybe thats showing my age lol | 23:19 |
brocashelm | anokokukishi: xfce is the perfect middle ground because it's lightweight while still being feature-rich | 23:19 |
brocashelm | you can easily load up xfce in an instant and see 250-300 mb used up at most | 23:20 |
ankokukishi | yeah | 23:20 |
ankokukishi | i noticed that mint 20 xfce runs around 1.5gb | 23:20 |
ankokukishi | average | 23:20 |
ankokukishi | i think ive pushed it to like 2.3 before | 23:21 |
vostro | I don't need pretty desktop. Just wanted the lightest weight desktop/window manager combination where everything worked out of the box. | 23:21 |
brocashelm | i could go the tiling wm route, but xfce just works | 23:21 |
ankokukishi | im wondering how old of a pc can run refracta | 23:21 |
brocashelm | that also depends on the kernel version | 23:22 |
vostro | Wasn't sure if openbox installs a file manager or panel for example. | 23:22 |
gnarface | i just updated a pentium 266 with 183MB of ram to beowulf | 23:22 |
fsmithred | 2005 Athlon X2 is the oldest thing I have here | 23:22 |
gnarface | i'm pretty sure you can get a really old computer running it if you're patient | 23:22 |
brocashelm | the newer the kernel, the less likely it will work on a standard i386 machine | 23:22 |
ankokukishi | ah | 23:22 |
fsmithred | ankokukishi, what's the oldest computer you have? | 23:23 |
brocashelm | but i could get mint 18.3 xfce with 4.15 kernel working on a 2004 dell laptop just fine | 23:23 |
gnarface | yea but most of the P2 and P3 chips should work fine, a couple might need a kernel param | 23:23 |
gnarface | stuff older than a P2 will require a custom kernel build | 23:23 |
brocashelm | on a pentium m (single core) cpu | 23:23 |
ankokukishi | not THAT old, i have an old NEC that stopped working a long time ago, i think it has like 512mb ram or osmething. I got it when i first moved to japan 14 years ago | 23:23 |
ankokukishi | its a core duo iirc | 23:23 |
fsmithred | it'll work | 23:23 |
ankokukishi | oh no its older than that | 23:23 |
ankokukishi | lol | 23:23 |
vostro | Still have a Gateway 2000 486 with 32 mb of ram running slackware with a windows/dos partition :) | 23:24 |
gnarface | P2 266 that is | 23:24 |
fsmithred | don't try to run firefox or chromium | 23:24 |
brocashelm | that's just how good gnu/linux is. it will push your machine to its limits :D | 23:24 |
gnarface | (toshiba satellite pro laptop) | 23:24 |
ankokukishi | push the LOWER limits lol | 23:24 |
brocashelm | i recently upgraded a core2 quad system to i5 | 23:25 |
brocashelm | not the first one, but moving things around as my budget improves during this shitty pandemic | 23:25 |
ankokukishi | my old dell has a core2 duo | 23:25 |
gnarface | Toshiba Satellite 4015CDT <<< this is the oldest machine i currently have running devuan | 23:25 |
brocashelm | it's amazing how stupidly low the prices are for ancient desktops that can still run miles around so-called "modern computers" | 23:25 |
ankokukishi | holy shit, that toshiba is so old i cant even find any on sale here in japan lol | 23:26 |
gnarface | i have two that are older, but they have pentium 1 chips in them, so they're not really worth it | 23:27 |
brocashelm | those dell optiplexes are perfect for a stable os as devuan, since they were designed for office use and productivity in mind. very quiet and low on resources, yet can even handle mid-level gaming | 23:27 |
wikan | weird | 23:29 |
wikan | installed /home on second disk | 23:29 |
wikan | working and bam input output error | 23:29 |
gnarface | that's a bad sign | 23:30 |
vostro | My Favorite computer laptop was the Toshiba Libretto 70CT. So small it would fit in your briefcase. Very innovative mouse design. | 23:30 |
ankokukishi | i think my fav computer is the one i have now or the dell | 23:32 |
ankokukishi | i need an SSD for it | 23:32 |
ankokukishi | but i need an ssd for my laptop too lol | 23:32 |
wikan | back to work :| | 23:32 |
wikan | files back on its place | 23:32 |
wikan | not sure if i want to use /home there | 23:33 |
fsmithred | run smartctl to check the disk | 23:33 |
vostro | Devuan made my favorite computer My Dell Vostro A(0 netbook again | 23:33 |
vostro | A90 I mean | 23:33 |
fsmithred | package name is smartmontools | 23:33 |
ankokukishi | hmm im gonna install some packages real quick on my laptop | 23:34 |
wikan | i dont know how to use smartctl :| | 23:39 |
brocashelm | there's also a gooey version of it | 23:39 |
brocashelm | gsmartcontrol | 23:39 |
fsmithred | smartctl -a /dev/sda | 23:40 |
fsmithred | as root | 23:40 |
fsmithred | look for PASSED near the top | 23:40 |
fsmithred | and look for Reallocated sectors. There should be none. | 23:40 |
wikan | well | 23:40 |
wikan | the problem is that | 23:40 |
wikan | disk disapeared again | 23:40 |
wikan | no entry in lsblk | 23:41 |
wikan | and it happens AGAIN after I change screen resolution | 23:41 |
wikan | maybe connection :D | 23:41 |
wikan | guys | 23:43 |
wikan | changine resolution in XFCE removes a drive | 23:44 |
wikan | restarted, changed resolution, /home files dissapeared | 23:44 |
fsmithred | I get what you're saying, but I don't know what would cause that | 23:44 |
fsmithred | bad power supply? | 23:44 |
wikan | one more time wait | 23:45 |
wikan | restarting | 23:45 |
wikan | yeap | 23:46 |
wikan | it happen again | 23:46 |
wikan | lol | 23:46 |
ankokukishi | is there something i can download that will tell me how much battery life i have left? | 23:50 |
fsmithred | xfce has a battery monitor plugin | 23:50 |
ankokukishi | is there a way i can put it in my panel? | 23:52 |
fsmithred | xfce4-battery-plugin | 23:52 |
fsmithred | yeah, right-click on the panel | 23:52 |
fsmithred | on a blank spot on the panel | 23:52 |
fsmithred | choose Panel, Add new item | 23:52 |
ankokukishi | nm found it | 23:52 |
ankokukishi | in the xfce battery settings tab there was a little button that added a battery icon to the panel | 23:53 |
ankokukishi | its 7am and NOW i get sleepy | 23:55 |
ankokukishi | fuck | 23:55 |
ankokukishi | lol | 23:55 |
fsmithred | ouch | 23:55 |
ankokukishi | well after the night i had last night, i knew sleeping was gonna be hard :/ | 23:55 |
fsmithred | once the birds are awake, it's too late to go to sleep | 23:55 |
ankokukishi | lol | 23:56 |
ankokukishi | for me its cicadas | 23:56 |
ankokukishi | noisy fuckers | 23:56 |
ankokukishi | well i could sleep a couple hours | 23:57 |
brocashelm | lol, i'm a night owl | 23:57 |
ankokukishi | just like a nap | 23:57 |
brocashelm | this shit is nothing | 23:57 |
ankokukishi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzlILjFqZlo | 23:57 |
ankokukishi | just something i needed to share :D | 23:57 |
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