ankokukishi | well im gonna go get a LITTLE sleep, i gotta go do some stuff later | 00:05 |
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ankokukishi | and i need to kinda be alive to do this crap | 00:05 |
ankokukishi | thansk for helping me with all this stuff getting refracta up and running, ill definitely be back lol | 00:06 |
ShorTie | if any body wants to play with libreswan, they just push my Devuan patches to github | 00:20 |
ShorTie | so it should build ok | 00:21 |
vernon | Why would I want to use libreswan over openvpn? | 00:45 |
meep_____ | I really do not like how every other program I install in Beowulf installs avahi-daemon and dconf-daemon despite being able to work fine without | 04:51 |
meep_____ | As well as policykit | 04:51 |
meep_____ | I keep having to apt purge those programs and apt autoremove --purge | 04:51 |
MinceR | maybe disabling installation of Recommends by default would help | 04:54 |
meep_____ | I've never done that before | 04:54 |
meep_____ | How would i do that? | 04:54 |
MinceR | or pinning avahi-daemon, dconf-daemon and policykit so they're never installed | 04:54 |
meep_____ | How? | 04:54 |
MinceR | not sure, i've never done it either | 04:54 |
MinceR | https://superuser.com/questions/615565/can-i-make-apt-get-always-use-no-install-recommends | 04:56 |
MinceR | iirc pinning was used to keep systemd from being installed, presumably the same method would work in this case | 04:57 |
MinceR | by some people, i mean | 04:57 |
MinceR | maybe devuan includes it too, despite amprolla filtering out the packages | 04:57 |
* enyc meows | 05:05 | |
* MinceR meows | 05:11 | |
* meep_____ skreees | 05:11 | |
meep_____ | I'm setting up DRM | 05:12 |
* enyc wonders what changin in devuan lately | 05:12 | |
meep_____ | Finally getting around to switching to it from i3 | 05:12 |
meep_____ | *DWM | 05:12 |
golinux | I figured that had to be a typo. | 05:13 |
enyc | meep_____: not used einher seriously myself - how do those compare.. .some related video online halks bout then movnig to xmonad ;p | 05:14 |
enyc | are these all suckless / etc type window-managers ??!? | 05:14 |
meep_____ | Dwm 6.2 does everything i need from i3 but with only 1000 or so lines of portable C | 05:15 |
meep_____ | With only a single patch | 05:15 |
meep_____ | For the systray | 05:15 |
MinceR | well, there's a Direct Rendering Manager, iirc | 05:15 |
meep_____ | Yeah since gnome went to shit lots of people are switching to window managers not tied to redhat or gtk3 | 05:16 |
enyc | MinceR: yes I was thinking of drm, that sort of mess i've had bugs with on ati rs480 lately ;/ | 05:17 |
systemdlete | Maybe nothing; but maybe something. I just upgraded my main PC to 32GB RAM. I had 16GB previously, and I was using almost all of it up, and frequently saw swapping/paging activity. Now, after the upgrade, I am seeing anywhere from 50% to about 66% of memory in use at various times. I am running more VM guests than previously, yet I am still seeing a few 100MB of swap activity even though there is far more than that | 10:23 |
systemdlete | available in main memory. I assume this is normal, but why? | 10:23 |
systemdlete | ascii running on hardware. FX processor (8350 I think) 8 cores. | 10:24 |
systemdlete | this is not too worrisome; I just find it interesting. | 10:24 |
gnarface | it's because /proc/sys/vm/swappiness defaults to 60 on debian | 10:26 |
gnarface | you can adjust that | 10:27 |
sixwheeledbeast | Certainly on Ubuntu I see this happen as after a bit of uptime all of the RAM is in use as cache. I swappiness is the way to minimise it. | 10:27 |
gnarface | set it to 0 to avoid swap | 10:28 |
gnarface | valid values from 0-99 i think? | 10:28 |
sixwheeledbeast | I have mine on 9 which seems fine until your total RAM usage is up in the 90% | 10:29 |
sixwheeledbeast | also FX but with 16GB BTW | 10:30 |
systemdlete | so, when RAM gets to 60% or so in use, it begins to swap, saving RAM for cache and buffers, etc? | 10:31 |
systemdlete | thanks for the explanation. I might play with it... slightly though. I don't mind the swapping that much. | 10:33 |
sixwheeledbeast | you can change it in a way that persists a reboot or temporary | 10:35 |
gnarface | yea the configs go in /etc/sysctl.conf or /etc/sysctl.d/ | 10:36 |
systemdlete | to start, just temp. Actually, sixwheeledbeast, I don't reboot my host much. I prefer to let it run; I've discovered that my disk drives are lasting longer by avoiding the daily cycling. | 10:36 |
systemdlete | but I'm getting OT now | 10:36 |
gnarface | i think that one you can change on the fly without any reboot | 10:36 |
gnarface | maybe it needs to be set at boot, maybe i'm wrong. but i thought it takes effect basically immediately | 10:37 |
systemdlete | sysctl -w kernel.whatever=70 | 10:37 |
sixwheeledbeast | I don't reboot much either, or spin down. | 10:37 |
sixwheeledbeast | you can do it either way i cant remember, I have a bash alias for it. | 10:38 |
systemdlete | I just had a 2010 Hitachi drive die on me; granted it was not in use for about 4 years. | 10:38 |
systemdlete | The -w option to sysctl does the same thing as editing /etc/sysctl.conf | 10:38 |
systemdlete | (makes it permanent) | 10:38 |
systemdlete | Before I began the practice of keeping the box running 24x7, I was losing drives left and right | 10:39 |
systemdlete | anyway. Very interesting, and I may play with that option in the coming days or so. | 10:40 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | how do I suspend the laptop on lid close without systemd? | 11:14 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | and also call i3lock | 11:14 |
gnarface | try installing the pm-utils package and acpid | 11:17 |
gnarface | or maybe just task-laptop | 11:17 |
lxsameer | hey folks, it's kindof a silly question, but how compatible is devuan with debian? can i install those deb packages that has nothing to do with systemd | 14:00 |
lxsameer | ? | 14:00 |
djph | lxsameer: it's identical, with the exception of shoving systemd down your throat | 14:01 |
lxsameer | djph: cool, so it still uses packages from debian repo right ? | 14:01 |
djph | except where debian is suboptimal | 14:02 |
ShorTie | they not in apt ?? | 14:03 |
djph | ShorTie: "they" what? | 14:04 |
lxsameer | djph: thanks mate | 14:05 |
debdog | in other words: the vast majority of packages are directly taken from debian. exceptions are the ones modified by the devuan project to circumvent the requirement for systemd and its dependencies | 14:06 |
djph | ^ | 14:06 |
cronolio | hi, is here a right place to ask about sysvinit ? | 15:53 |
Garb0 | cronolio, yeah, what's going on? | 15:53 |
cronolio | i have strange custom environment, without mounted /proc /sys /dev and when i run poweroff it says | 15:56 |
cronolio | shutdown.c (514): Function not implemented | 15:56 |
cronolio | Aborted | 15:56 |
Garb0 | cronolio, try halt -p | 15:57 |
cronolio | (541) sorry | 15:57 |
cronolio | https://git.savannah.nongnu.org/cgit/sysvinit.git/tree/src/shutdown.c#n541 looks like that | 15:58 |
Garb0 | if that also doesn't work, you've botched something bad and i don't have enough info, you're probably better off backing up and reinstalling | 15:59 |
cronolio | halt -p - the same result | 15:59 |
Garb0 | did you build sysvinit yourself or something | 15:59 |
cronolio | sysvinit in lfs like system but with musl | 16:00 |
cronolio | without any init scripts yet | 16:00 |
Garb0 | oh yeah, isn't fprintf part of glibc stuff? | 16:00 |
cronolio | dunno | 16:01 |
Garb0 | keep in mind that musl is not a drop in replacement for glibc, like libressl for openssl. | 16:02 |
Garb0 | let me check if musl has fprintf | 16:02 |
cronolio | meybe just `setuid(geteuid());` returns error | 16:03 |
Garb0 | it seems that musl has no fprintf | 16:04 |
cronolio | https://git.musl-libc.org/cgit/musl/tree/src/stdio/fprintf.c not that ? | 16:06 |
Garb0 | hm, i couldn't find that in the musl source code, i must be retarded | 16:06 |
Garb0 | it's definitely not seteuid/setuid because if that was the culprit it would break at 540 | 16:07 |
systemdlete | init is not reaping children | 16:09 |
systemdlete | zombies | 16:09 |
systemdlete | ascii with all the latest updates applied | 16:09 |
systemdlete | kernel is 4.9.0-13 | 16:10 |
Garb0 | cronolio, strerror also exists, why the hell did it stop at that line | 16:11 |
Garb0 | you should just post this on sysvinit's issue page | 16:12 |
cronolio | maybe fprintf wants some /dev/.... or /proc/.... | 16:13 |
cronolio | will try later after writing some system initital scripts and booting up with it | 16:15 |
cronolio | i able to poweroff -f :) | 16:19 |
tuxd3v | cronolio, you are in a typical install of devuan + sysvinit? | 16:29 |
tuxd3v | Or you are experimenting with lots of external stuff? | 16:30 |
Garb0 | he's on musl, absolute mad lad. | 16:30 |
cronolio | fully custom system | 16:33 |
leafwiz | Hey, I see that I can support Devuan thought paypal. And I would like to donate, but it would also be cool if I could buy some t-shirts / merk. Is there an official t-shirt I can buy? | 17:10 |
leafwiz | Just thought the official site I could not see any merk | 17:11 |
golinux | leafwiz: https://shop.spreadshirt.net/devuan | 17:13 |
wikan | hi :) | 17:13 |
wikan | i have sound and wifi issues | 17:14 |
wikan | wifi connection takes very long | 17:14 |
wikan | pavucontrol is "connecting" to server but nothing happens | 17:14 |
systemdlete | downgraded to kernel 4.9.0-12 and things seem a little more sane again... | 18:07 |
aaron_ | Im just a linux user and i installed devuan to explore it and i cant figure out how to get X to work | 21:19 |
aaron_ | amd thames 7500m/7600m | 21:19 |
gnarface | aaron_: probably just missing some packages. the packages shouldn't be any different from the debian names though... | 21:20 |
aaron_ | umm let me see what iv installed | 21:20 |
gnarface | aaron_: i don't know if we have a devuan version of this information, but it should all be the same except for the repo urls: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo | 21:21 |
aaron_ | iv installed amdgpu and ati driver and radeon driver | 21:21 |
gnarface | did you remember the non-free firmware? newer ones need non-free firmware, not sure exactly which versions though | 21:22 |
gnarface | also you'll need Mesa | 21:22 |
aaron_ | um iv installed no firmware that i am aware of | 21:22 |
aaron_ | um let me paste a copy of the Xorg log | 21:23 |
aaron_ | brb | 21:23 |
gnarface | aaron_: try installing "mesa-utils" and "firmware-amd-graphics" if they're not already there. (firmware-amd-graphics will be in non-free, which you may not have enabled by default) | 21:23 |
aaron_ | ill try that quickly thanks gnarface | 21:26 |
aaron_ | gnarface, wow thanks, it worked! | 21:30 |
aaron_ | gnarface, it had me really stumped. i come from ubuntu land | 21:30 |
aaron_ | theres no network manager! | 21:33 |
aaron_ | wicd how interesting! | 21:33 |
aaron_ | thanks again take care and keep up the amazing work on devuan | 21:34 |
aaron_ | :) | 21:34 |
* gnarface would have welcomed him but was afk | 21:53 | |
brocashelm | ah, he'll be back; he did say he came straight from ubuntu | 21:58 |
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