torvn77 | Hello! I installed the Steam store client on Devuan, but many games do not work as there is no 32 bit version of the vulkan library. You could not compile it, otherwise you only have a library for 64 bits in your distribution. | 00:00 |
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gnarface | torvn77: you need to enable multiarch | 00:03 |
gnarface | torvn77: (then run apt-get update and the 32-bit stuff will also show up in the repos) | 00:03 |
gnarface | torvn77: and make sure you used the steam client package from the non-free section of the repo, not from valve's site | 00:04 |
gnarface | torvn77: "dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update" | 00:06 |
torvn77 | $ apt list | grep i386 | grep vulkan | 00:11 |
torvn77 | WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts. | 00:11 |
torvn77 | libvulkan-dev/stable 1.1.97-2 i386 | 00:11 |
torvn77 | libvulkan1/stable,now 1.1.97-2 i386 [installed,automatic] | 00:11 |
torvn77 | mesa-vulkan-drivers/stable,now 18.3.6-2+deb10u1 i386 [installed] | 00:11 |
torvn77 | nvidia-legacy-390xx-nonglvnd-vulkan-icd/stable 390.138-1~deb10u1 i386 | 00:11 |
torvn77 | nvidia-legacy-390xx-vulkan-icd/stable 390.138-1~deb10u1 i386 | 00:11 |
torvn77 | nvidia-nonglvnd-vulkan-common/stable 418.152.00-1 i386 | 00:11 |
torvn77 | nvidia-nonglvnd-vulkan-icd/stable 418.152.00-1 i386 | 00:11 |
torvn77 | nvidia-tesla-418-nonglvnd-vulkan-icd/stable-backports 418.152.00-1~bpo10+1 i386 | 00:11 |
* gnarface sighs | 00:11 | |
gnarface | this all seems very familiar. did i have another conversation with him about this that ended the exact same way? | 00:14 |
wikan | what is a good alternative to devuan? | 00:42 |
wikan | i have huge problem on one computer | 00:42 |
nemo | wikan: gentoo | 00:42 |
wikan | devuan doesn't work well on this laptop | 00:43 |
gnarface | wikan: if you're having driver issues try the beowulf-backports kernel | 00:44 |
nemo | wikan: bit more detail might help too | 00:44 |
nemo | computer model, nature of problems.. | 00:44 |
wikan | well | 00:46 |
wikan | three problems i have | 00:46 |
wikan | 1. buildin wifi - connection and receiving ip address takes about 1, 1:30 min | 00:46 |
wikan | 2. no sound. alsamixer says about two devices, but no controls. pulseautio is not reachable | 00:47 |
nemo | pulseaudio + beowulf might be that bug... is it fixed yet? the config file thing | 00:48 |
nemo | wifi... is that at startup or from inside X using wicd gui? | 00:48 |
wikan | 3. when i was changing screen resolution... /home partiton was disapearing. No files, no device in lsblk. Moved files to / part | 00:48 |
wikan | wifi isnt working via installer. Only wicd somehow can connect | 00:48 |
wikan | nemo: I don't care about pulse. I may use alsa. Need sound :) | 00:49 |
nemo | O_o | 00:50 |
wikan | but no audio is available | 00:50 |
nemo | /home partition vanishes when you change *Resolution* ????? | 00:50 |
nemo | wut | 00:50 |
gnarface | wikan: those all sound like problems that are highly likely to be fixable by upgrading to the beowulf-backports kernel, however the harddrive issue might be hardware failure... only one way to find out | 00:50 |
wikan | yes. logs says - disconecting usb :D | 00:50 |
nemo | wikan: just saying. devuan uses pulse by default, so that should be fine, but there's a known bug in pulse on beowulf that I have no idea if it is fixed | 00:51 |
wikan | i have SD card - (system), and SSD disk | 00:51 |
wikan | ssd was /home | 00:51 |
nemo | wikan: huh. would never have put home on usb personally, but to each their own | 00:51 |
wikan | and probably it is connected via USB bridge :D | 00:51 |
nemo | wikan: how are you mounting the USB? anything that, say, gnome/mate automounts might be screwing with? | 00:51 |
wikan | it is inside | 00:51 |
wikan | have no idea wtf | 00:51 |
wikan | SD card originaly was for Google Android | 00:51 |
wikan | SSD for Windows | 00:51 |
nemo | just wondering if screen res thing (not sure what you were doing there) triggered X restart | 00:52 |
wikan | magic lol | 00:52 |
wikan | xrandr | 00:52 |
nemo | which might've caused their automounter to get involved | 00:52 |
nemo | maybe crashed something ☺ | 00:52 |
nemo | what desktop env? | 00:52 |
wikan | i was changing resolution for 5 times | 00:52 |
nemo | gnarface: do you remember what config file was that pulseaudio/systemd thing fsmithred talked about? I keep forgetting | 00:52 |
wikan | every time drive was getting disconnected | 00:52 |
nemo | wikan: any clues in X log? crashes? restarts? | 00:53 |
wikan | nope | 00:53 |
wikan | USB devices go down | 00:53 |
wikan | and back | 00:53 |
wikan | and SSD is originaly installed that way | 00:54 |
wikan | maybe it is not usb socket but somethowe it affects ssd too | 00:54 |
wikan | ssd is not important but sound and wifi | 00:56 |
wikan | i will try install kermel from backports | 00:56 |
gnarface | nemo: /etc/pam.d/lightdm-greeter | 00:57 |
gnarface | nemo: replace pam_systemd.so with pam_elogind.so | 00:58 |
Agris | Pam doesn't want anything to do with you dwight | 01:37 |
filipdevuan_ | Devuan ceres is great!!!! | 02:31 |
bsd4me | filipdevuan_: have you been running ceres very long? I'm thinking about moving up from chimaera. | 03:26 |
gnarface | he's gone already | 03:27 |
bsd4me | oh, ok. thanks | 03:27 |
nemo | gnarface: huh. neither of those sound like the setting he'd described | 03:45 |
nemo | but I'm blanking on what it was | 03:45 |
nemo | gnarface: but I guess I should do them too | 03:45 |
gnarface | nemo: maybe i'm thinking of a different conversation | 03:52 |
ShorTie | https://deb.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/ doesn't work any more ?? | 03:59 |
nemo | http://deb.devuan.org/merged no? | 04:01 |
ShorTie | nop | 04:02 |
gnarface | should be http://deb.devuan.org/merged afaik | 04:04 |
ShorTie | lookin for the sources for the packages | 04:04 |
gnarface | if you're looking for debian packages look on debian repos | 04:04 |
gnarface | they're served via redirect, only the forked packages are on the actual devuan servers, and it's not many | 04:04 |
gnarface | compared to the total | 04:04 |
gnarface | "apt-get source [package name]" should still work though as long as your sources.list is right... | 04:05 |
ShorTie | no, no, lookin for like debootstrap_1.0.123+devuan2.tar.gz | 04:05 |
ShorTie | use to work .. :/~ | 04:06 |
Agris | » <bsd4me> filipdevuan_: have you been running ceres very long? I'm thinking about moving up from chimaera. | 04:08 |
Agris | https://invidio.us/watch?v=kjKuMCJqdW4 | 04:08 |
Agris | would not recommend doing that. It's just Sid at this point | 04:08 |
filipdevuan_ | @Agris well 2 weeks | 04:12 |
filipdevuan_ | But everything is running perfect so far, kde plasma or xfce as well as i3 | 04:13 |
filipdevuan_ | web browsers as well, pretty neat | 04:13 |
bsd4me | Agris: Yes, I know :) But years ago, I ran sid long before they moved to systemd. | 04:13 |
Agris | @? | 04:14 |
filipdevuan_ | Agris: sorry i meant to send Agris: not @ ;d | 04:15 |
filipdevuan_ | yeah ceres is neat | 04:15 |
bsd4me | glad to know that | 04:16 |
bsd4me | I've also ran opensuse tumbleweed and arch, so I'm familiar with occasional hiccups :) | 04:17 |
bsd4me | Agris: loved the clip :D | 04:26 |
tuxd3v | hello all | 05:15 |
tuxd3v | my sources.list are of type: | 05:15 |
tuxd3v | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf main contrib non-free | 05:15 |
tuxd3v | but when I do a apt-get update I get: | 05:15 |
tuxd3v | https://paste.debian.net/1159124/ | 05:17 |
tuxd3v | does I have to put there a 'stable' string for sure? | 05:18 |
golinux | tuxd3v: Run apt update and answer "yes" | 05:19 |
tuxd3v | golinux, nice, it realy asks with apt update :) | 05:20 |
tuxd3v | many thanks ;) | 05:20 |
golinux | tuxd3v: We built the isos before we made the change. It will be fixed in the 3.1 point release | 05:44 |
tuxd3v | golinux, ok | 05:45 |
tuxd3v | I saw this page: | 05:45 |
tuxd3v | https://devuan.org/os/init-freedom | 05:45 |
tuxd3v | :) | 05:46 |
golinux | And? | 05:46 |
tuxd3v | 66-devuan :) | 05:46 |
golinux | Limping along on one leg | 05:46 |
golinux | (no pun intended) | 05:46 |
golinux | I haven't see the dev in maybe a year | 05:47 |
golinux | Haven't seen you in a while either. | 05:47 |
tuxd3v | it points to the old url, before the migration.. | 05:47 |
tuxd3v | https://git.devuan.org/66-devuan/66 | 05:47 |
golinux | Oh! Good catch!! | 05:47 |
tuxd3v | :) | 05:48 |
golinux | Moving git caused more than a few linkage breaks | 05:48 |
tuxd3v | yeah but gitea is very nice, it was a good choice :) | 05:49 |
tuxd3v | I didn't knew it was so developed, as it is | 05:49 |
golinux | Yes, I like it quite a lot. I wish it had more user info in admin though. | 05:50 |
openbsdtai123 | I managed to instal devuan wiht 40kb/s speed internet | 10:01 |
openbsdtai123 | the problem is tat the layer of networking on linux is very poor and unstable. linux has the poorest networking compared to apple, bsd and windows. | 10:02 |
openbsdtai123 | openbsd and netbsd works amazingly well on all net situations. | 10:02 |
openbsdtai123 | so I wrote a little how to : http://termbin.com/qwa2 | 10:03 |
openbsdtai123 | note the mkfs.ext3 and installer are bit buggy. needs a fix. | 10:03 |
meep_____ | openbsdtai123: why is linux networking bad? | 10:29 |
openbsdtai123 | wpa supplicatns disconnects and firmaware arent as good as bsd | 10:31 |
openbsdtai123 | slackware works better. it disconnects much less. | 10:32 |
openbsdtai123 | bsd never disconnects | 10:32 |
openbsdtai123 | well, everyone know about linux will to get as good as bsd for networks. | 10:32 |
openbsdtai123 | a fix... there is not really a possile fix. wait that linus creates an additional layer in linux kernel. | 10:33 |
meep_____ | Sounds like a hardware problem openbsdtai123 | 10:55 |
meep_____ | Firmware is the same | 10:56 |
meep_____ | That gets loaded into the card itself | 10:56 |
meep_____ | Wpa_supplicant shouldn't be disconnecting you unless there's a hardware problem | 10:56 |
meep_____ | Try disabling power management? | 10:56 |
meep_____ | I thought you were talking about the TCP implementation | 10:56 |
meep_____ | And also openbsdtai123 use ext4 not ext3 | 10:57 |
meep_____ | Is there a reason your using ext3 instead of ext4? | 10:57 |
meep_____ | Maybe that's why your network speed is so low | 11:00 |
meep_____ | Also | 11:00 |
meep_____ | There's an option you may need to configure, wpa_supplicant will disconnect by default from a station if the bitrate is too low | 11:01 |
meep_____ | You can see this option exposed in wicd-gtk | 11:01 |
meep_____ | You may need to adjust that option manually if your not using wicd | 11:01 |
meep_____ | But i take it if your internet is 40k you don't have the funding or ability to obtain better hardware | 11:02 |
buZz | are there any exynos based targets for devuan? | 12:38 |
buZz | i just got a XC503C32 exynos 5800 chromebook | 12:38 |
buZz | supposedly nearly completely supported in mainline nowadays | 12:39 |
klaus | hi folks | 13:34 |
fsmithred | buZz, looks like it: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/beowulf/main/installer-armhf/current/images/device-tree/ | 13:59 |
buZz | oooo nice! tnx | 13:59 |
fsmithred | I should have said 'maybe' | 14:00 |
fsmithred | I have no idea what to do with any of that, but you might fin a compatible installer image | 14:00 |
buZz | :) | 14:01 |
buZz | i think the 'normal' method is just a rootfs on SD | 14:01 |
buZz | there's some uboot in rom that boots a uboot in flash that might be able to boot kernel from SD | 14:02 |
fsmithred | yeah, you can go up a level or two and poke around in some other directories | 14:02 |
buZz | hmhm | 14:02 |
buZz | maybe #devuan-arm could help, but its idle now ;) | 14:02 |
buZz | almost as idle as #linux-exynos , but ah well | 14:03 |
buZz | i'm just impatient | 14:03 |
fsmithred | there's a u-boot directory, but I don't see any chromebooks listed | 14:04 |
fsmithred | no 'chrome' anywhere in the installer-arm* trees | 14:05 |
buZz | hmhm | 14:08 |
fsmithred | you might try making an image with arm-sdk, but I have no idea how much work that would be | 14:09 |
buZz | i could wait till parazyd is awake, he might know some tips :) | 14:09 |
fsmithred | https://git.devuan.org/devuan-sdk/arm-sdk/src/branch/master/boards | 14:10 |
fsmithred | acer and veyron chromebooks are listed | 14:11 |
tocsa | Hi fellas, I'm in a deep doodoo | 19:50 |
tocsa | Yesterday I did a full-upgrade because more and more packages were kept back | 19:51 |
tocsa | As a result wicd got uninstalled!!! | 19:51 |
gnarface | just install it again | 19:51 |
tocsa | When I try 'apt install wicd' it fails | 19:52 |
gnarface | with what error message? | 19:52 |
tocsa | Because it depends on python2 2.7.17-2 | 19:53 |
tocsa | But I have python2 2.7.18-2 | 19:53 |
tocsa | I'm typing this on my phone since I cannot connect on the faulting box | 19:54 |
tocsa | So: "the following packages have unmet dependencies:" | 19:54 |
gnarface | you shouldn't have a conflicting newer python version unless you did something wrong | 19:54 |
gnarface | this is beowulf? | 19:55 |
tocsa | "python: PreDepends: python-minimal (=2.7.17-2) but it is not going to be installed" | 19:55 |
gnarface | right, but you have 2.7.18-2 | 19:56 |
gnarface | that's most likely caused by user error | 19:56 |
tocsa | "Depends: libpython-stdlib (...) | 19:56 |
tocsa | I think the problem is that I'm half on ceres | 19:56 |
gnarface | oh, i see. yes that's definitely the problem. | 19:57 |
gnarface | the only solution upstream supports in this case is to complete the upgrade to ceres | 19:57 |
tocsa | I have both Beowulf and Ceres in my sources.list | 19:58 |
tocsa | For a long time now | 19:58 |
gnarface | yea, you should not have done that. that was a high risk behavior. | 19:58 |
gnarface | you should have used beowulf-backports if you needed newer stuff, or compiled the chimera or ceres packages yourself | 19:58 |
tocsa | My bad | 19:58 |
gnarface | if you're patient and careful you might be able to repair it by removing the ceres packages and installing the beowulf versions | 19:59 |
gnarface | i don't know of a automated way to accomplish that | 19:59 |
tocsa | I cannot remember exactly how I got there. Thanks for your help | 19:59 |
gnarface | sorry that's all i can do for you, good luck | 19:59 |
tocsa | If I manually rewrite all the Beowulf entries to Ceres then apt update may fix it? | 20:00 |
tocsa | I'll get to a wired connection | 20:00 |
gnarface | well, you'll be on ceres then but yea that will "fix" it | 20:00 |
gnarface | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade | 20:01 |
tocsa | The wicd packages are still on my system somewhere (in rc state) maybe I can force install it somehow? | 20:01 |
gnarface | if the packge is still in /var/cache/apt/archives/ sure | 20:02 |
tocsa | All right thanks, I'll report back | 20:02 |
gnarface | you might even be able to just downgrade that python version directly with something like "apt-get install python-minimal=2.7.17-2" but no guarantees | 20:03 |
tocsa | @gnarface I managed to get internet access through USB tether. I'm about to do dist upgrade to be fully on ceres, however when I look at 'lsb-release -a' it already says I'm on Devuan GNU/Linux 4 (chimera/Ceres) | 20:34 |
tocsa | 'testing/unstable' :) | 20:35 |
tocsa | So I'm not sure where a dist upgrade would bring me | 20:35 |
brocashelm | tocsa: that's normal :) | 20:45 |
gnarface | tocsa: it would bring you matching package versions for everything, is what it would bring you (on a good day anyway) | 20:51 |
gnarface | tocsa: that lsb-release thingy isn't as smart as it appears | 20:52 |
tocsa | So the dist upgrade didn't install too much, like 6 packages, upgraded node to v 12 | 21:12 |
tocsa | I don't see ceres-updates or ceres-security repositories configured in my sources.list though, I had those for Beowulf (now it's commented out by the dist upgrade) | 21:13 |
Agris | tocsa: why are your running node? | 21:14 |
gnarface | tocsa: *-updates and *-security are only populated for stable | 21:14 |
gnarface | tocsa: sounds like you were mostly on the way to a complete ceres install anyway | 21:15 |
tocsa | @Agris I'm a software engineer I'm doing a smorgasbord of things. Probably that's why I fast forwarded to Ceres (unintentionally somehow) while I supposed to do Beowulf backports | 21:30 |
csaba_ | I'm writing this from my devbox through USB tether | 21:32 |
csaba_ | So I suppose (?) I'm fully on Ceres now. I try "apt install wicd", but it fails, because that depends on "wicd-client". wicd-client is a virtual package, I need to select gtk, curses or cli version | 21:33 |
csaba_ | I'm trying wicd-gtk, but that depends on python (2.7.17-2). And with ceres we don't have python but we have python2 (2.7.18-2). | 21:34 |
csaba_ | Oh, tocsa = toth csaba | 21:35 |
csaba_ | Maybe on ceres wicd has a different package name and I'm just hammering on the wrong packages, barking at the wrong tree? | 21:38 |
csaba_ | Is there anyone here with Ceres and could peek at what's the wicd package versions and names? Or the wifi handling daemon and related package names if it's not wicd? | 21:39 |
gnarface | csaba_: well, it might just be that python2 version was just updated and wicd hasn't caught up yet. | 21:39 |
gnarface | csaba_: when you're on unstable this type of thing happens normally | 21:39 |
csaba_ | @gnarface Oh boi. I thought that could happen only with nightly | 21:39 |
gnarface | csaba_: unstable basically is that | 21:39 |
gnarface | csaba_: it's continuously updated on no schedule | 21:40 |
brocashelm | yes, still waiting on python and a few other packages; they've been held back for now | 21:40 |
gnarface | csaba_: with unstable, usually the best solution is to just wait a day or two for them to fix it. sucks that this is right in the middle of your upgrade. bad timing. | 21:40 |
brocashelm | i am starting to realize rolling releases are better | 21:41 |
brocashelm | having much better experiences with ceres than chimaera or beowulf | 21:41 |
brocashelm | for desktop/hobbyist use, it's pretty stable | 21:42 |
csaba_ | @brocashelm, I'm not sure if "python" as a package name will exist, there's already a python2, I guess when the wicd comes out it'll depend on that | 21:42 |
brocashelm | csaba_: youtube-dl is already giving me problems if python is removed | 21:42 |
brocashelm | csaba_: so what i did was copy all my python files back to /usr/bin and it works again | 21:43 |
csaba_ | @brocashelm: Are you using wicd? If yes, what version? Or you are just having it as held back together with python? | 21:43 |
brocashelm | csaba_: nope, networkmanager. it's held back together as part of my usual updates. i noticed packages like jack are also purged if i remove the held packages (due to version conflicts) | 21:44 |
csaba_ | @brocashelm: that's great news for me. Since wicd is resisting I install networkmanager. Now I just need to figure out a GUI plugin for it for Xfce4. Are you using Xfce4 by any chance or some other window manager system? | 21:47 |
csaba_ | Worst case scenario is a CLI script like I use for USB tethering anyway | 21:48 |
brocashelm | csaba_: yes, i use xfce. it's the only truly usable DE in my opinion | 21:48 |
csaba_ | So what GUI plugin I can have for NetworkManager? | 21:49 |
brocashelm | csaba_: there is the gnome gui of it | 21:49 |
csaba_ | Gotcha, I installed that | 21:49 |
brocashelm | csaba_: i come from mint, so i only really have it 'cause it's what i'm used to. alternatively, you could try connman as another gui method to connect to the internet | 21:50 |
csaba_ | brocashelm: Where does the network-manager-gnome places itself in the menu? I cannot see it anywhere | 21:51 |
csaba_ | Or it's "just" a plugin? | 21:51 |
csaba_ | brocashelm: Looks like I may need to logout/in for it to show up? Without that I don't see it in the Panel Items to add, and I don't find any executable either | 21:54 |
brocashelm | csaba_: i think you have to then remove or disable wicd and start the service | 21:54 |
csaba_ | brocashelm: the service started and I see a wlan0 device in ifconfig | 21:55 |
csaba_ | brocashelm: the Xfce4 logout/login worked. A panel item now shows and I could connect to wifi! | 22:00 |
csaba_ | gnarface: Thanks for all the guidance (not the first time BTW, I remember your name form my earlier carnages) | 22:00 |
* gnarface claps excitedly | 22:00 | |
gnarface | csaba_: no problem, enjoy your ceres | 22:01 |
csaba_ | So TL:DR; ceres wicd is not ready for python2 yet. I installed NetworkManager and network-manager-gnome and I'm using that with Xfce4 | 22:01 |
brocashelm | csaba_: nice | 22:01 |
csaba_ | I'll stay with this until NetworkManager breaks, in that case I'll either fix it or return to wicd, whatever works | 22:02 |
brocashelm | csaba_: recommend checking out the arch wiki's page on network manager. i also use it with openvpn | 22:02 |
csaba_ | Developer life, living on the edge. Ceres worked well for me for more than half a year now I think BTW. Probably I wouldn't recommend it to anyone faint hearted since things like this can happen (although I know it was partially my fault), since it unstable | 22:04 |
csaba_ | brocashelm: thx | 22:05 |
brocashelm | csaba_: it's totally worth it because it challenges you as a gnu/linux user, rather than having everything handed to you | 22:06 |
brocashelm | csaba_: as long as you are careful, make backups, check the list of changes/bugs, etc., you are able to make the most of it | 22:07 |
csaba_ | brocashelm: true. I love to know more about the system. The best is if I'd use VMs. I'm too overconfident after 2 decades that I'll be able to overcome issues. This was sort of steep, but could have been worse. | 22:14 |
premoboss | hi dudes. someone is skilled in i2c protocol? i have some chips on i2c to drive. I installed 12c-tools and the utility there works pretty well (i2cset, i2cget) but those utilities are limited to a SINGLE byte to address the internal space of the chip. i can control a RTC 1307 (une byte to address the device + one byte to address the internal space) but those commands fail to drive a eeprom 24LC128 because it needs TWO bite to address internal space and | 22:27 |
premoboss | i2cset and i2cget does not allows to use more than one byte to address internal space of the device. LONG TORI SHORT: someone knwos some i2c commands more flexible than who prestn into i2c-tols package? | 22:27 |
djph | i2c addressing is ONE byte. | 22:51 |
djph | after that, it's all data (at least in the protocol) | 22:51 |
premoboss | djph, no, 24LC128 (16KB eeprom) needs TWO address byte. | 22:53 |
gnarface | hmm. i see something on stackexchange about using a c api to read more than one byte at a time, but it seems to suggest the only magic part is not passing a "stop" byte between the two bytes. maybe the command-line tools just can't do that and you need the c api? alsa shit is like that sometimes. | 22:54 |
premoboss | if you write, you need: command+MSB+lsb+data | 22:54 |
premoboss | if you read, you need: command+MSB+lsb (and eepro reply with one byte of data) | 22:55 |
gnarface | eh, it's over my head. maybe they'd know in #kernel? | 22:55 |
premoboss | gnarface, do you know if may exyst something i can copy, compile, use? im not deep into C programming :-( | 22:55 |
premoboss | i will try #kernel, tanks. | 22:56 |
gnarface | premoboss: no, sorry all i know about it is what i just skimmed off that stackexchange post | 22:56 |
gnarface | premoboss: not sure even, but it seemed sorta related: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/6054150/linux-driver-for-an-i2c-device-two-byte-read | 22:56 |
gnarface | premoboss: someone has to know how to do this, you just gotta ask the right people | 22:57 |
premoboss | gnarface, thanks for your effort. | 23:01 |
gnarface | premoboss: sorry it's all i got on this one. the only other guess that comes to mind is maybe it's a japanese device and it expects 16-bit characters? i don't even know if that's possible in the i2c protocol | 23:02 |
gnarface | premoboss: but you know, if it's expecting one character instead of one byte then maybe you can just change your shell locale and pass 16-bit characters | 23:03 |
premoboss | gnarface, on the datasheet of 24LC128 (produced by microchip) is reported that to access for write you need command (1 byte) + address (2 byte) + data (1 byte). in general, all EEPROM that has more htan 256 bytes of internal space needs MORE than one byte to address them. | 23:05 |
gnarface | premoboss: i follow the math part about why you need more than one byte to address more than 256 bytes of memory, but the only other thing i know about i2c is that it is always coming up as a requirement for fan/voltage/temperature sensors | 23:08 |
premoboss | gnarface, there is a plenty of i2c device out there, manu of tham are "easy" and need only command+address (if you read) or command+address+data (if you write) but many others are more complex and needs longer stream of byte to correctly address the internal behaviour. | 23:10 |
djph | premoboss: yes, where the "command" byte is the device address + rw | 23:10 |
djph | your i2c controller should be sending command + data (addr_MSB) + data (addr_LSB)... | 23:11 |
premoboss | i can pmoint you to datasheet of RTC_1307 (easy: command+address) but lso to more complex as SHTC3 (temperature and humidity sensor) thant need longer stream to be correctly managed. | 23:12 |
djph | or rather START + Command + ADR_MSB + ADR_LSB + Data + STOP | 23:12 |
premoboss | djph, yes, it SHOULD be. but id can do only if the software allos to do, and i2cset/i2cget allow ONLY to send 3 bytes: device_addres + command + internal_address. i cannot send an internal_address done as MSB+lsb | 23:14 |
wikan | hi. updated kernel and firmware to backports | 23:14 |
premoboss | that is the probme that i am facin. | 23:14 |
premoboss | facing. | 23:14 |
wikan | no way to make sound and wifi working | 23:14 |
wikan | i really need alternative for devuan for this machine | 23:15 |
djph | premoboss: well, then the library is shot. | 23:16 |
premoboss | here the bit stream to write one byte: https://html.alldatasheet.com/html-pdf/74856/MICROCHIP/24LC128/2872/7/24LC128.html | 23:17 |
gnarface | wikan: it might not work on ANY distro at all... you'll have to identify the device model to even find out | 23:17 |
wikan | gnarface: it works on mint | 23:18 |
wikan | gnarface: but every ubuntu based distro is a huge software mistake | 23:18 |
gnarface | wikan: in theory you could just use the mint kernel on devuan... it'll work with at least most the software for sure | 23:18 |
gnarface | wikan: what you should do is find out what the mint kernel has that neither of the kernels you've tried had. maybe it's in ceres, or maybe it will need a kernel rebuild. | 23:19 |
gnarface | wikan: the only other thing i could suggest would be arch or gentoo probably, where you're basically building everything by hand anyway | 23:19 |
wikan | i think about alpine | 23:20 |
brocashelm | if you go with arch, artix is one of the non-systemd ones | 23:20 |
wikan | i have never used arch befora | 23:20 |
wikan | i need os for my mam | 23:21 |
brocashelm | there are different distros based on devuan | 23:22 |
brocashelm | for different purposes | 23:22 |
brocashelm | here's a public list: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=9 | 23:22 |
wikan | i don't know how it is possible MINT is so HUGE and need so many resources. There is nothing but base services. | 23:22 |
wikan | brocashelm: based on distro that doesn't work for me? :) | 23:23 |
wikan | i have one deBian - works fine, one deVAan works fine | 23:23 |
brocashelm | miyo (make it your own) and refracta are some of the popular ones | 23:23 |
wikan | but this one computer is... eehhhh | 23:24 |
brocashelm | then try using the mint lts kernel | 23:25 |
brocashelm | as gnarface said, it's possible | 23:25 |
gnarface | wikan: if you're gonna reinstall anyway, try upgrading it to ceres first just as a test | 23:26 |
gnarface | wikan: maybe you just need something even newer than backports | 23:26 |
wikan | so... the best way is just add mint repo and install kernel? | 23:26 |
wikan | or just hard-replace the file? but then modules... | 23:27 |
brocashelm | stick with devuan repo only if you can | 23:27 |
gnarface | meh... there's no way to do it clean. choose your fate. | 23:27 |
brocashelm | try upgrading to ceres before you do anything else and see if kernel 5.7 works | 23:27 |
gnarface | if you're up for making a mess you could just install the ceres kernel | 23:28 |
gnarface | that would be cleaner than installing the mint kernel at least | 23:28 |
wikan | ceres? | 23:28 |
brocashelm | ceres = unstable | 23:28 |
gnarface | it might be enough, but ceres has newer everything and it might matter | 23:28 |
wikan | now i am using 5.6 kernel from testing | 23:29 |
brocashelm | ironically more stable than beowulf in my experience | 23:29 |
gnarface | wikan: i don't recall you ever telling me what this command output: "lspci|grep net -i" | 23:29 |
brocashelm | i was having some freeze problems with chimaera (runit), but that subsided as soon as i upgraded to ceres packages | 23:29 |
wikan | gnarface: you did | 23:30 |
wikan | 2 days ago ;) | 23:30 |
gnarface | wikan: please paste me the output from that command | 23:30 |
wikan | gnarface: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/c7e093b2/ | 23:31 |
gnarface | wikan: oh, it's this usb thing? Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0bda:8152 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8152 Fast Ethernet Adapter | 23:32 |
wikan | yea - it works but connects 1 min | 23:33 |
wikan | sometimes i need to retry 2 times | 23:34 |
gnarface | well i found the latest version here, but i suspect i see the update you need specifically mentioned in 5.7 https://github.com/wget/realtek-r8152-linux | 23:34 |
gnarface | wikan: admittedly, i don't now anything at all about it, but this looks suspicious: https://github.com/wget/realtek-r8152-linux/commit/8136e09663b2c623d1d0cebe0e880476fa2627c7 | 23:35 |
gnarface | wikan: (titled "ETHTOOL_COALESCE_USECS only appeared with 5.7-rc1, not 5.6") | 23:36 |
wikan | should I upgrade to cereb? | 23:36 |
wikan | entire os? | 23:36 |
gnarface | wikan: well, maybe.... though this is also looking like a really simple 1-character fix... | 23:36 |
gnarface | wikan: it would be as easy to build this version of the driver as it would be to patch and replace the one you already have | 23:37 |
gnarface | wikan: it would be easier to upgrade to ceres, probably, but i get ya... the whole distro seems a bit much | 23:37 |
wikan | yea but i need sound | 23:38 |
brocashelm | wikan: create backup before you do | 23:38 |
wikan | there is more issues than wifi | 23:38 |
wikan | why? | 23:38 |
wikan | this system has 2 days | 23:38 |
brocashelm | ok, fine. then upgrade anyway | 23:38 |
gnarface | wikan: oh hey you should know something though before you do anything else... | 23:38 |
wikan | i was working few years on debuan unstable | 23:39 |
gnarface | wikan: i think they put kernel 5.7 in beowulf-backports probably mere hours after you tested it last | 23:39 |
wikan | unstable is much more stable than stable release is | 23:39 |
brocashelm | so you should know what it's like! | 23:39 |
brocashelm | yeah, i agree | 23:39 |
wikan | i installed kernel from backports 15 minutes ago | 23:40 |
wikan | 5.6 | 23:40 |
gnarface | wikan: maybe i'm wrong then | 23:40 |
wikan | anyway... it system will work as unstable | 23:41 |
wikan | i will install it from iso - it any | 23:41 |
wikan | because I would like to install system on SSD | 23:41 |
wikan | SD is much faster until you dont do many I/O | 23:42 |
brocashelm | yeah, i just change the repository and go to console to update and check everything before doing 1-2 reboots | 23:42 |
wikan | the it is much slower | 23:42 |
wikan | ok it is downloading... it will take about 2 h :| | 23:43 |
wikan | last time I was configuring linux so long was my Gentoo I compiled a week | 23:43 |
wikan | how can I UPGRADE single package? | 23:44 |
wikan | I use debian for more than 10 years but I dont know :D | 23:45 |
brocashelm | you just want to upgrade a specific package, regardless of what apt update says? | 23:46 |
wikan | yea | 23:46 |
brocashelm | if so, that is apt install package=version | 23:46 |
brocashelm | apt show package -a (lists all instances of the package so you can choose the version you need) | 23:47 |
wikan | i did apt upgrade thanks ;) | 23:48 |
brocashelm | np | 23:48 |
wikan | wrong | 23:49 |
wikan | sorry | 23:49 |
wikan | i meant - thanks | 23:49 |
wikan | "i did" was previous not deleted message | 23:49 |
wikan | thanks for package=version solution ;) | 23:49 |
wikan | updating kernel | 23:49 |
wikan | better | 23:53 |
wikan | wifi works fast | 23:53 |
wikan | still no sound | 23:53 |
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