libera/#devuan/ Monday, 2020-08-17

FlibberTGibbetwhat happened to dev1galaxy, folks?14:21
Centrelinehi all, pkgmaster.devuan.org seems down at the moment.14:23
onefangWe know, we are working on it.14:27
onefangOr rather, one of us is working on it that isn't me,14:28
Centrelineexcellent, just checking someone was aware14:29
Junicchidefault devuan pkg is fucking slow recently14:39
Junicchii'm trying to get this file http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt14:39
Junicchibut seems like the site is down14:40
Junicchianyone has it?14:40
CentrelineI asked same 20 minutes ago, they are aware and someone is working on it14:41
Junicchihave another question, maybe dumb but14:41
Junicchii know it's oldstable but packages on devuan ascii are too old14:41
Junicchican i use devuan beowulf's sources while installing pkg instead?14:42
Junicchiwould it be correct14:42
Junicchii'm bored of building recent versions of packages everytime14:42
Centrelinethere's a howto on the site, https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/upgrade-to-beowulf14:43
Junicchithanks anon14:43
CentrelineYou should probably wait until packmaster is up before running through it though.14:43
Junicchiyup14:43
Junicchii'd doit directly myself but my only concern is im using full disk encryption14:44
Junicchialready broke the os twice14:45
Junicchi-was my mistake-14:45
CentrelineI upgraded from jessie to ascii using the repo change method documented, but I dont encrypt the boot partition, only the device mounted on /home14:46
Junicchi^me too14:47
Junicchihearing you relieved me14:47
Centrelinemaybe not, I use cryptsetup and luks from a custom shell script for that partition, so for me the only thing that changes is luks versions14:48
FlibberTGibbetjust borked a 'test' lappie trying a daredevil upgrade from beowulf to chimaera :)14:48
Junicchiuhh14:49
Centrelineclone the drive first if you really can't loose the contents...14:50
Junicchii will dude, thx14:50
pekmandev1galaxy is down?15:26
onefangYes, a few of the Devuan servers are down.15:38
Junicchithey're back now i guess15:51
Junicchipkgmaster is still down tho15:51
onefangStarting to come back, might be a bit longer for DNS propagation.15:52
onefangAnd your might have the old DNS entry cached.15:55
onefangpkgmaster is up again, if your DNS has updated.15:58
Junicchiit was an ssl error my bad15:59
underscoreHello. I am running devuan 3 and fail2ban fails to start when the computer boots, while I can enable it on my own with service fail2ban enable.16:00
underscoreI've no idea where to start looking for the cause.16:00
underscoreservice fail2ban start16:00
enychrrm has something changed with  devuan mirrors?16:04
enycbeen away from said system for a bit but now  port-80 non-https  not worknig on pkgmaster16:04
enycindeed  reccemonidaioso no apt/mirrors may have changed mulitple times since and could easily not bei poinging to right place16:04
enychrrm defaults from  https://devuan.org/os/packages  may be working!16:07
enycbear in mind i've had sources updated since jessie / ascii  and much messes16:08
folderolHi16:10
enycHrrm, if I have an upstream poniter to   http://packages.devuan.org/merged  ceres main contrib non-free   and so on....16:11
enycto get 'sources' as a deb-src line16:12
enycit was trying to redirect me to a server at wasn' working16:12
Junicchistill can't reach16:15
Junicchinot a good day for dist-upgrade huh16:15
folderolAnyone know who to inform that there is a new release (today) of software devuan carries?16:16
fsmithredfolderol, what software are you concerned with?16:17
folderolthe Yoshimi soft-synth16:17
furrywolfif it's a package devuan maintains, which is mostly init, login, etc stuff, then you'd want to notify the devuan maintainer for that package.  if it's something debian provides, which is about 99% of packages, you'd want to look the package up with debian and notify their maintainer.16:18
folderolI can confirm it compiles and runs on beowulf for AMD/intel 64bit, intel 32 bit, rasperry pi 4 :)16:18
fsmithredyoshimi is not one of ours. (Hint: look for "+devuan" in the version)16:19
fsmithredwhat version did you compile?16:20
folderolthe problem I have with debian is they are so s.l.o.w sometimes as much as two months behind all the other distros :(16:20
folderolV 1.7.216:21
fsmithredmonths?16:21
fsmithred1.7.1~dfsg0-2 is in chimaera/ceres16:21
folderolyep. Sometimes they even miss a release completely :(16:21
fsmithredstable tends to be a couple years behind new and shiny16:22
fsmithredmany users like it that way16:22
folderolYes I know... I was talking about sid16:22
onefangenyc, yes there's a problem we are fixing now.  You might have to wait for DNS propagation, or clear your DNS cache.16:28
folderolWe try to not spam the distros, and only make 2-3 releases per year, although occasionally we've had to quickly push out bugfixes... whatever they are :P16:29
enyconefang: thankyou!16:46
folderolOh well, people to do and things to see .... erm :)17:00
Junicchiwhat the fuck i performed a dist upgrade and neofetch shows that my distro is now debian17:06
FlibberTGibbethmm. just reinstalled beowulf on a laptop and now reboot doesn't reboot :)17:13
FlibberTGibbetacpi settings?>17:13
Ownermaybe you installed debian with systemd on accident...thats why it doesnt reboot? :P17:14
FlibberTGibbetflippin' hope not :)17:15
Ownerdid you change anything in the bios?17:15
fsmithredJunicchi, you upgraded to beowulf, I assume.17:15
FlibberTGibbetno, not to that end of things17:16
fsmithredIt's still devuan even though it says debian.17:16
fsmithredFlibberTGibbet, did you install a desktop? Which?17:16
Ownerhttps://easylinuxtipsproject.blogspot.com/p/bugs.html#ID917:17
Owner^ ?17:17
HevyDevyhello testing 12317:17
FlibberTGibbetdesktop-live amd64 iirc fsmithred17:17
fsmithredhi HevyDevy17:18
HevyDevyhello fsmithred17:18
fsmithredshutdown/reboot should work with xfce and slim17:18
HevyDevyforum has been down for a time17:18
Junicchifsmithred: yup17:18
onefangWe know, we are busy fixing things.17:18
OwnerFlibberTGibbet: can it be an EFI /UEFI thing17:18
fsmithredfor lightdm, see the release notes for the trick to get the shutdown buttons to work17:19
Owneri sent a link17:19
HevyDevythought it might be my cnnection17:19
Junicchieven grub sees devuan as debian now lel17:19
fsmithredJunicchi, you can change it in /etc/os-release17:19
fsmithredor in /etc/default/grub for just the grub menu17:19
Junicchii will17:20
OwnerFlibberTGibbet: i assume you mean that it tries to reboot but never reboots (black screen?)17:20
FlibberTGibbetthanks owner, fsmithred17:20
fsmithredwe made the change for secure boot and for third-party software17:20
fsmithredand I believe we changed it back for chimaera.17:20
FlibberTGibbetOwner -- no, it gets to 'restart system' in the reboot messages then never actually gets around to it17:21
FlibberTGibbetoh ffs17:21
FlibberTGibbetnow setting static dns has killed the network17:21
Junicchifsmithred: os-release is devuan but lsb_release still shows it as debian17:22
fsmithredID=devuan should do it. You do have to run update-grub to get the menu to refresh17:22
Junicchiok fixed17:22
Junicchithanks17:22
FlibberTGibbetping: socket: Operation not permitted ????17:23
fsmithredyeah, be root to ping17:23
fsmithredor install something...17:23
fsmithredhang on17:23
FlibberTGibbetreally? this is something new?17:23
Owner@_@17:23
fsmithredyeah17:23
FlibberTGibbetbloody hell17:24
fsmithredI don't really understand it, but powers are going away17:24
FlibberTGibbetnuts17:24
Ownerkernel thing?17:24
fsmithreduser used to be able to run blkid, but that's been gone for a few years17:24
FlibberTGibbetso I have to change the permissions on the executable. oh well, so much for a quick setup :/17:24
fsmithredand now with beowulf, even root doesn't get root under some conditions17:24
fsmithredno17:24
fsmithredI think you need to install iputils-ping17:25
Ownerwho is making these decisions?  greta?17:25
fsmithredand possibly run dpkg-reconfigure iputils-ping17:25
fsmithredcheck in /etc/rc.local in the live iso17:26
HevyDevyive been meaning to ask about that behaviour of ping and ifconfig, archlinux seems to allow user ifconfig and ping.17:26
Centrelinedoes beowulf remove ifconfig too?17:26
FlibberTGibbetno wheel group either, interestingly17:26
HevyDevyit is probably a good security measure17:26
fsmithredifconfig is in the net-tools packages17:26
Centrelineok cool, that really messes me up when I log into a box that has ip instead17:27
fsmithredyou should get that by default17:27
FlibberTGibbetthe dpkg-reconfigure worked. thanks fsmithred17:27
fsmithredyw17:27
FlibberTGibbetifconfig appears to be present and correct17:27
fsmithredyeah, we forked that package, and I think we changed the priority back to "important"17:28
FlibberTGibbetnice :)17:28
Ownerlinode still hasnt added devuan17:28
FlibberTGibbetinterestingly using wicd to set a fixed IP address for the wired network just results in no connection :)17:29
FlibberTGibbetor at least no ipv4 address17:30
HevyDevywhats the state of connman in devuan, havent used it there but artix linux has it on there most of there isos and works nicely.17:31
fsmithredconnman works17:33
fsmithrednetwork-manager works17:33
HevyDevyyeah ive never had any issues with network manager, or wicd on stable. Not tried connman yet though,17:34
FlibberTGibbethoo boy. sshd not installed by default either. heavy weather :)17:34
Junicchiisnt that depends on your devuan installation17:34
fsmithredif you want sshd installed in a live system, use Refracta17:35
fsmithredif you're installing from one of the installer isos (with d-i) then you can check the ssh-server box in tasksel17:35
HevyDevyok goodnight, im out.17:36
fsmithredg'night17:36
bytor90@search john m barry17:39
bytor90oops, sorry, crosspost17:40
FlibberTGibbetall sorted anyway, just installed the package and nicked a few files from another working local box17:41
Centrelinecould anyone point me at a nameserver that resolves the correct ip for packages.roundr.devuan.org?17:52
crashoverride127.0.0.117:54
crashoverridealso, 10.0.4.417:55
Centrelinefunny, guess I'll just have to wait for the ttl to expire and stuff...17:57
Ownerthis? 5.196.38.1817:57
Owneryou can use hosts file temporarily17:58
onefang54.36.142.183 is the new IP.17:58
crashoverridefor packages.roundr.devuan.org? or for the resolver?17:59
CentrelineI'll put a hosts entry in thanks17:59
Centrelineeither a resolver (I thought I'd queried the SOA for devuan.org...) or a ip for the host entry was fine, its away working, thanks.18:05
Ownerhooray18:05
fsmithredCentreline, packages.devuan.org is deprecated and might even be gone.18:12
fsmithredand jessie has been archived18:13
onefangUse deb.devuan.org instead.18:13
fsmithredyeah, I shoulda said that18:13
Centrelinethis was to update a ascii to beowulf, it wanted that resolving to proceed with the apt dist-upgrade. I'll sort the sources out once its finished18:14
Centrelineit was originally migrated from jessie to ascii, so it might be a leftover in a config.18:14
GyrosGeierhi18:15
GyrosGeierI'm trying to use a remote gpg-agent18:15
GyrosGeierbut for some reason Devuan's gpg expects the agent socket in the systemd dir, while Debian's creates them in ~/.gnupg as it should18:16
fsmithredGyrosGeier, it's the same gnupg in debian and devuan18:17
GyrosGeiertrue, but for some reason my Devuan box believes that sockets live below /run/user/...18:18
fsmithredI don't know where that comes from18:19
GyrosGeierthat should be compiled into gpg18:20
GyrosGeiergpgconf --list-paths shows that18:20
GyrosGeier--list-dirs18:20
fsmithredas I said, it's the same package18:20
fsmithredwe don't fork it18:20
Owneris there a difference in versions?18:20
GyrosGeiergood point18:21
GyrosGeierDebian has gpg (GnuPG) 2.2.2018:21
GyrosGeierDevuan has gpg (GnuPG) 2.2.1218:21
fsmithredin which debian?18:21
Junicchibuster18:21
GyrosGeierbullseye/sid18:22
Junicchiuuh18:22
GyrosGeierhm18:22
GyrosGeierbut that might indeed work18:22
fsmithredthat's weird - we should not be behind buster18:23
fsmithred2.2.20 is in chimaera/ceres.buster has 2.2.12 just like beowulf18:26
fsmithredwe're not behind18:26
GyrosGeiermh18:26
fsmithredbeowulf=buster (stable), chimaera=bullseye (testing)18:27
GyrosGeierlet's see if upgrading gnupg fixes the issue18:28
fsmithredI have /run/user/1000/gnupg in ascii, beowulf and chimaera18:29
fsmithredwhat are you trying to do?18:30
GyrosGeierremote gpg-agent18:31
GyrosGeierserver is running devuan because server18:31
GyrosGeierand I want to give it access to the smartcard in the laptop18:31
GyrosGeierthe laptop runs debian, and uses ~/.gnupg as socketdir18:32
fsmithredis the server running jessie?18:32
GyrosGeierbeowulf18:32
fsmithredsorry, I meant the laptop18:33
GyrosGeierlaptop is Debian bullseye18:33
GyrosGeierhmm18:34
GyrosGeierapparently it uses /run/user/... if that exists18:34
GyrosGeierso I probably need to configure elogind to not create it18:35
GyrosGeierand/or uninstall elogind, why do I even have that?18:35
GyrosGeierah18:36
GyrosGeierfor libvirt18:36
GyrosGeierdang18:36
OwnerGyrosGeier: why does it matter where the socket is?18:48
GyrosGeierssh cannot create /run/user/1000/gnupg for the socket forward18:50
GyrosGeierso the RemoteForward isn't done18:50
GyrosGeierso gpg on the server cannot talk to the agent18:50
fsmithreddid you try using ssh-agent with it?18:51
GyrosGeierssh-agent works18:51
GyrosGeierI specifically need to forward the gpg-agent18:51
GyrosGeiersince I need to decrypt a file on the server18:51
Ownerwell you probably can pipe the file to the decrption machine and pipe it back18:52
GyrosGeiernope18:54
GyrosGeier1 TB18:54
Ownereven so... :p18:54
Ownerwhy not just root into /run/user and symlink to !/.gnupg18:54
Owneror whatever you gotta do18:54
GyrosGeierthe secret key is on a smartcard18:55
GyrosGeierah18:55
GyrosGeieryou mean like a hack to make it work once18:55
Owneryes, or fix why ssh cannot create it18:56
GyrosGeierit expects the directory to exist18:57
GyrosGeier>:/18:58
GyrosGeierI've purged elogind and it still mounts the stupid XDG directory18:58
Ownerpeople in the ssh channel have probably seen this18:58
GyrosGeierhm18:59
GyrosGeiergood point18:59
systemdleteIn Ascii, the virtualbox package includes a script /etc/init.d/virtualbox -- is that an artifact of your package builds?   Vbox support tells me that script is long not supported.20:57
systemdleteIn Beowulf, I seems that file is no longer present?20:58
fsmithredthere's no virtualbox in ascii20:59
fsmithredmaybe in backports20:59
fsmithredand we don't touch any vbox packages20:59
systemdletehttps://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/1911721:01
systemdleteThen I am not sure how I was able to install it on Ascii.  Maybe backports, idk.21:02
fsmithredeither backports or from oracle21:02
systemdleteThis is no longer an issue, of course.  But I want to close that bug with vbox.21:02
fsmithredbut my vbox from oracle in ascii has different files in /etc/init.d/21:02
systemdleteHmmm.  Looks like the maintainer of the package I have is "Maintainer: Debian Virtualbox Team <team+debian-virtualbox@tracker.debian.org>"21:05
fsmithredyeah, that sounds right for the debian virtualbox21:06
systemdletefsmithred:  At this point, I am mainly curious, that's all.  Since Beowulf no longer has that file in its vbox package, it won't be an issue going forward.  I just haven't upgraded my workbox host to beowulf yet.21:06
fsmithredwas this once a jessie system?21:06
fsmithredoh!21:07
fsmithredI do have /etc/init.d/virtualbox in a different ascii install21:07
systemdleteNo, it was a clean Ascii install.21:07
systemdleteAHA!!!21:07
systemdlete:D21:07
fsmithredapt-file doesn't know where it came from21:08
fsmithredmaybe I need to re-enable backports for that to work21:08
fsmithredVersion table:21:10
fsmithred *** 5.2.24-dfsg-4~bpo9+121:10
fsmithredbpo!21:10
systemdleteOK, so mystery solved then.  Thank you.21:12
systemdlete(Yeah, I noticed the "bpo" bit, too, when I ran apt show virtualbox)21:12
fsmithredthat's a sure sign it's from backports21:13
systemdleteI'll keep that in mind...21:13
fsmithredlooks like no virtualbox in beowulf/buster, either21:14
enycsystemdlete: for some  upstream-support-reason  virtualbox is no longer in debian releases (and so not in devuan)23:12
systemdleteah.  That makes sense.  So I probably have an entry for vbox's own repos... (checking)23:13
enycsystemdlete: mxlinux provide their own builds.  Its' also very possible (I reccomend this)  to get the debian  sid  package source  and  compile this on your faviourite  devuan/debian/mxlinux    with dpkg-buildpackage23:13
enycsystemdlete: not sure vbox have repos, maybe ....  they certainly have downloadable deb's [not exactly the same as debian/ubuntu packages]23:14
systemdleteyep.  I downloaded the deb to beowulf manually.23:14
systemdleteI think there is a way to download packages... I'll look at that later.23:14
enycinterestingly ubuntu more lax on this  an LocutusOfBorg  sorts out ther virtualbox in multiverse  packages!23:15
systemdlete(Istr that on CentOS, I had a repo file for vbox)23:15
enycsystemdlete: virtualbox auto update is  questionable, sometimes they break and stuff ;p23:15
systemdleteno kidding.  I NEVER have ANYTHING set for autoupdate.  Been screwed too many times, not just by vbox either23:16
systemdleteWhy I prefer, much prefer, fixed-release distros and software23:16
enyccurrent ubnut release of vbox  been fine lately  they sometiems SRU/update sometimes,    shame debian don't do similar23:16
enycsystemdlete: in any case  be good imho   if you   learnt about deb-src  lines and  "apt-get build-dep"  and  "dpkg-buildpackage"  ......23:17
enycsystemdlete: you can build the  debian/devuan  dfsg  package from sid, and compile it on beowulf,  create set of debs then redistributable23:17
systemdleteI don't mind them so much for VM's, because it is easy enough to use snapshots and such.  Usually, the stuff I run in VMs is not very important (not always though)23:17
enycalso....   you MIGHT want to look at  'virt-manager' / libvirt  etc  instead of virtualbox ata ll =)23:18
* systemdlete wonders if he is getting primed for something here... :D23:19
enycvirtualbox been useful as a  portable-across-OSes  mostly-FOSS  personal-desktop-virtualizer  nonetheless23:19
enycsystemdlete: don't think so ??!?23:19
systemdleteI've looked at libvirt.  I don't recall now, but there was an issue I had with it.  Don't recall what it was.23:19
enycsure, i've not playde with either23:19
enyci supsect improved a lot23:20
ranixguestmount in devual is fükenbröken23:21
ranixdevuan*23:21
ranixlooks like it depends on a bunch of missing systemd nonsense23:21
enycranix: not entirely suprised,  automounting  stuff23:21
systemdleteguestmount in vbox guest?23:22
systemdleteI do it all the time23:22
systemdletewith ascii, at least.23:22
ranixhow do you deal with the weird lvm: error while loading shared libraries: libsystemd.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory23:22
ranixetc23:22
systemdleteI've never encountered this.  Again, are you talking about vbox guests?23:23
ranixno I'm just using "guestmount" to attempt to mount a vhd23:23
systemdleteon the host?23:23
systemdleteor in a VM?23:23
ranixyeah on the host, I just want to dump the files in it to a directory23:24
systemdleteI'm not even sure what guestmount is, actually.23:24
systemdleteoh23:24
ranixwell there you go23:24
enycranix: ranix: hrrm how do  vhd's  compare to vdi  format from virtualbox?23:24
systemdleteso you are using, what, some sort of fuse thing?23:24
ranixI don't even know, I just saw that it was looking for piles of systemd nonsense and decided to say hey guys guestmount looks for piles of systemd nonsense23:24
ranixI already worked around my issue by mounting the disk elsewhere and copying data over the network23:25
systemdleteI don't even find guestmount in a apt search23:25
systemdletebackports?23:26
ranixlibguestfs-tools23:26
systemdlete(installing it now)23:29
systemdlete(only uses 65 packages... )23:29
ranixyeah it's pretty bloaty23:32
ranixit might just be garbage23:32
ranixubunticized23:32

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