FlibberTGibbet | what happened to dev1galaxy, folks? | 14:21 |
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Centreline | hi all, pkgmaster.devuan.org seems down at the moment. | 14:23 |
onefang | We know, we are working on it. | 14:27 |
onefang | Or rather, one of us is working on it that isn't me, | 14:28 |
Centreline | excellent, just checking someone was aware | 14:29 |
Junicchi | default devuan pkg is fucking slow recently | 14:39 |
Junicchi | i'm trying to get this file http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt | 14:39 |
Junicchi | but seems like the site is down | 14:40 |
Junicchi | anyone has it? | 14:40 |
Centreline | I asked same 20 minutes ago, they are aware and someone is working on it | 14:41 |
Junicchi | have another question, maybe dumb but | 14:41 |
Junicchi | i know it's oldstable but packages on devuan ascii are too old | 14:41 |
Junicchi | can i use devuan beowulf's sources while installing pkg instead? | 14:42 |
Junicchi | would it be correct | 14:42 |
Junicchi | i'm bored of building recent versions of packages everytime | 14:42 |
Centreline | there's a howto on the site, https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/upgrade-to-beowulf | 14:43 |
Junicchi | thanks anon | 14:43 |
Centreline | You should probably wait until packmaster is up before running through it though. | 14:43 |
Junicchi | yup | 14:43 |
Junicchi | i'd doit directly myself but my only concern is im using full disk encryption | 14:44 |
Junicchi | already broke the os twice | 14:45 |
Junicchi | -was my mistake- | 14:45 |
Centreline | I upgraded from jessie to ascii using the repo change method documented, but I dont encrypt the boot partition, only the device mounted on /home | 14:46 |
Junicchi | ^me too | 14:47 |
Junicchi | hearing you relieved me | 14:47 |
Centreline | maybe not, I use cryptsetup and luks from a custom shell script for that partition, so for me the only thing that changes is luks versions | 14:48 |
FlibberTGibbet | just borked a 'test' lappie trying a daredevil upgrade from beowulf to chimaera :) | 14:48 |
Junicchi | uhh | 14:49 |
Centreline | clone the drive first if you really can't loose the contents... | 14:50 |
Junicchi | i will dude, thx | 14:50 |
pekman | dev1galaxy is down? | 15:26 |
onefang | Yes, a few of the Devuan servers are down. | 15:38 |
Junicchi | they're back now i guess | 15:51 |
Junicchi | pkgmaster is still down tho | 15:51 |
onefang | Starting to come back, might be a bit longer for DNS propagation. | 15:52 |
onefang | And your might have the old DNS entry cached. | 15:55 |
onefang | pkgmaster is up again, if your DNS has updated. | 15:58 |
Junicchi | it was an ssl error my bad | 15:59 |
underscore | Hello. I am running devuan 3 and fail2ban fails to start when the computer boots, while I can enable it on my own with service fail2ban enable. | 16:00 |
underscore | I've no idea where to start looking for the cause. | 16:00 |
underscore | service fail2ban start | 16:00 |
enyc | hrrm has something changed with devuan mirrors? | 16:04 |
enyc | been away from said system for a bit but now port-80 non-https not worknig on pkgmaster | 16:04 |
enyc | indeed reccemonidaioso no apt/mirrors may have changed mulitple times since and could easily not bei poinging to right place | 16:04 |
enyc | hrrm defaults from https://devuan.org/os/packages may be working! | 16:07 |
enyc | bear in mind i've had sources updated since jessie / ascii and much messes | 16:08 |
folderol | Hi | 16:10 |
enyc | Hrrm, if I have an upstream poniter to http://packages.devuan.org/merged ceres main contrib non-free and so on.... | 16:11 |
enyc | to get 'sources' as a deb-src line | 16:12 |
enyc | it was trying to redirect me to a server at wasn' working | 16:12 |
Junicchi | still can't reach | 16:15 |
Junicchi | not a good day for dist-upgrade huh | 16:15 |
folderol | Anyone know who to inform that there is a new release (today) of software devuan carries? | 16:16 |
fsmithred | folderol, what software are you concerned with? | 16:17 |
folderol | the Yoshimi soft-synth | 16:17 |
furrywolf | if it's a package devuan maintains, which is mostly init, login, etc stuff, then you'd want to notify the devuan maintainer for that package. if it's something debian provides, which is about 99% of packages, you'd want to look the package up with debian and notify their maintainer. | 16:18 |
folderol | I can confirm it compiles and runs on beowulf for AMD/intel 64bit, intel 32 bit, rasperry pi 4 :) | 16:18 |
fsmithred | yoshimi is not one of ours. (Hint: look for "+devuan" in the version) | 16:19 |
fsmithred | what version did you compile? | 16:20 |
folderol | the problem I have with debian is they are so s.l.o.w sometimes as much as two months behind all the other distros :( | 16:20 |
folderol | V 1.7.2 | 16:21 |
fsmithred | months? | 16:21 |
fsmithred | 1.7.1~dfsg0-2 is in chimaera/ceres | 16:21 |
folderol | yep. Sometimes they even miss a release completely :( | 16:21 |
fsmithred | stable tends to be a couple years behind new and shiny | 16:22 |
fsmithred | many users like it that way | 16:22 |
folderol | Yes I know... I was talking about sid | 16:22 |
onefang | enyc, yes there's a problem we are fixing now. You might have to wait for DNS propagation, or clear your DNS cache. | 16:28 |
folderol | We try to not spam the distros, and only make 2-3 releases per year, although occasionally we've had to quickly push out bugfixes... whatever they are :P | 16:29 |
enyc | onefang: thankyou! | 16:46 |
folderol | Oh well, people to do and things to see .... erm :) | 17:00 |
Junicchi | what the fuck i performed a dist upgrade and neofetch shows that my distro is now debian | 17:06 |
FlibberTGibbet | hmm. just reinstalled beowulf on a laptop and now reboot doesn't reboot :) | 17:13 |
FlibberTGibbet | acpi settings?> | 17:13 |
Owner | maybe you installed debian with systemd on accident...thats why it doesnt reboot? :P | 17:14 |
FlibberTGibbet | flippin' hope not :) | 17:15 |
Owner | did you change anything in the bios? | 17:15 |
fsmithred | Junicchi, you upgraded to beowulf, I assume. | 17:15 |
FlibberTGibbet | no, not to that end of things | 17:16 |
fsmithred | It's still devuan even though it says debian. | 17:16 |
fsmithred | FlibberTGibbet, did you install a desktop? Which? | 17:16 |
Owner | https://easylinuxtipsproject.blogspot.com/p/bugs.html#ID9 | 17:17 |
Owner | ^ ? | 17:17 |
HevyDevy | hello testing 123 | 17:17 |
FlibberTGibbet | desktop-live amd64 iirc fsmithred | 17:17 |
fsmithred | hi HevyDevy | 17:18 |
HevyDevy | hello fsmithred | 17:18 |
fsmithred | shutdown/reboot should work with xfce and slim | 17:18 |
HevyDevy | forum has been down for a time | 17:18 |
Junicchi | fsmithred: yup | 17:18 |
onefang | We know, we are busy fixing things. | 17:18 |
Owner | FlibberTGibbet: can it be an EFI /UEFI thing | 17:18 |
fsmithred | for lightdm, see the release notes for the trick to get the shutdown buttons to work | 17:19 |
Owner | i sent a link | 17:19 |
HevyDevy | thought it might be my cnnection | 17:19 |
Junicchi | even grub sees devuan as debian now lel | 17:19 |
fsmithred | Junicchi, you can change it in /etc/os-release | 17:19 |
fsmithred | or in /etc/default/grub for just the grub menu | 17:19 |
Junicchi | i will | 17:20 |
Owner | FlibberTGibbet: i assume you mean that it tries to reboot but never reboots (black screen?) | 17:20 |
FlibberTGibbet | thanks owner, fsmithred | 17:20 |
fsmithred | we made the change for secure boot and for third-party software | 17:20 |
fsmithred | and I believe we changed it back for chimaera. | 17:20 |
FlibberTGibbet | Owner -- no, it gets to 'restart system' in the reboot messages then never actually gets around to it | 17:21 |
FlibberTGibbet | oh ffs | 17:21 |
FlibberTGibbet | now setting static dns has killed the network | 17:21 |
Junicchi | fsmithred: os-release is devuan but lsb_release still shows it as debian | 17:22 |
fsmithred | ID=devuan should do it. You do have to run update-grub to get the menu to refresh | 17:22 |
Junicchi | ok fixed | 17:22 |
Junicchi | thanks | 17:22 |
FlibberTGibbet | ping: socket: Operation not permitted ???? | 17:23 |
fsmithred | yeah, be root to ping | 17:23 |
fsmithred | or install something... | 17:23 |
fsmithred | hang on | 17:23 |
FlibberTGibbet | really? this is something new? | 17:23 |
Owner | @_@ | 17:23 |
fsmithred | yeah | 17:23 |
FlibberTGibbet | bloody hell | 17:24 |
fsmithred | I don't really understand it, but powers are going away | 17:24 |
FlibberTGibbet | nuts | 17:24 |
Owner | kernel thing? | 17:24 |
fsmithred | user used to be able to run blkid, but that's been gone for a few years | 17:24 |
FlibberTGibbet | so I have to change the permissions on the executable. oh well, so much for a quick setup :/ | 17:24 |
fsmithred | and now with beowulf, even root doesn't get root under some conditions | 17:24 |
fsmithred | no | 17:24 |
fsmithred | I think you need to install iputils-ping | 17:25 |
Owner | who is making these decisions? greta? | 17:25 |
fsmithred | and possibly run dpkg-reconfigure iputils-ping | 17:25 |
fsmithred | check in /etc/rc.local in the live iso | 17:26 |
HevyDevy | ive been meaning to ask about that behaviour of ping and ifconfig, archlinux seems to allow user ifconfig and ping. | 17:26 |
Centreline | does beowulf remove ifconfig too? | 17:26 |
FlibberTGibbet | no wheel group either, interestingly | 17:26 |
HevyDevy | it is probably a good security measure | 17:26 |
fsmithred | ifconfig is in the net-tools packages | 17:26 |
Centreline | ok cool, that really messes me up when I log into a box that has ip instead | 17:27 |
fsmithred | you should get that by default | 17:27 |
FlibberTGibbet | the dpkg-reconfigure worked. thanks fsmithred | 17:27 |
fsmithred | yw | 17:27 |
FlibberTGibbet | ifconfig appears to be present and correct | 17:27 |
fsmithred | yeah, we forked that package, and I think we changed the priority back to "important" | 17:28 |
FlibberTGibbet | nice :) | 17:28 |
Owner | linode still hasnt added devuan | 17:28 |
FlibberTGibbet | interestingly using wicd to set a fixed IP address for the wired network just results in no connection :) | 17:29 |
FlibberTGibbet | or at least no ipv4 address | 17:30 |
HevyDevy | whats the state of connman in devuan, havent used it there but artix linux has it on there most of there isos and works nicely. | 17:31 |
fsmithred | connman works | 17:33 |
fsmithred | network-manager works | 17:33 |
HevyDevy | yeah ive never had any issues with network manager, or wicd on stable. Not tried connman yet though, | 17:34 |
FlibberTGibbet | hoo boy. sshd not installed by default either. heavy weather :) | 17:34 |
Junicchi | isnt that depends on your devuan installation | 17:34 |
fsmithred | if you want sshd installed in a live system, use Refracta | 17:35 |
fsmithred | if you're installing from one of the installer isos (with d-i) then you can check the ssh-server box in tasksel | 17:35 |
HevyDevy | ok goodnight, im out. | 17:36 |
fsmithred | g'night | 17:36 |
bytor90 | @search john m barry | 17:39 |
bytor90 | oops, sorry, crosspost | 17:40 |
FlibberTGibbet | all sorted anyway, just installed the package and nicked a few files from another working local box | 17:41 |
Centreline | could anyone point me at a nameserver that resolves the correct ip for packages.roundr.devuan.org? | 17:52 |
crashoverride | 127.0.0.1 | 17:54 |
crashoverride | also, 10.0.4.4 | 17:55 |
Centreline | funny, guess I'll just have to wait for the ttl to expire and stuff... | 17:57 |
Owner | this? 5.196.38.18 | 17:57 |
Owner | you can use hosts file temporarily | 17:58 |
onefang | 54.36.142.183 is the new IP. | 17:58 |
crashoverride | for packages.roundr.devuan.org? or for the resolver? | 17:59 |
Centreline | I'll put a hosts entry in thanks | 17:59 |
Centreline | either a resolver (I thought I'd queried the SOA for devuan.org...) or a ip for the host entry was fine, its away working, thanks. | 18:05 |
Owner | hooray | 18:05 |
fsmithred | Centreline, packages.devuan.org is deprecated and might even be gone. | 18:12 |
fsmithred | and jessie has been archived | 18:13 |
onefang | Use deb.devuan.org instead. | 18:13 |
fsmithred | yeah, I shoulda said that | 18:13 |
Centreline | this was to update a ascii to beowulf, it wanted that resolving to proceed with the apt dist-upgrade. I'll sort the sources out once its finished | 18:14 |
Centreline | it was originally migrated from jessie to ascii, so it might be a leftover in a config. | 18:14 |
GyrosGeier | hi | 18:15 |
GyrosGeier | I'm trying to use a remote gpg-agent | 18:15 |
GyrosGeier | but for some reason Devuan's gpg expects the agent socket in the systemd dir, while Debian's creates them in ~/.gnupg as it should | 18:16 |
fsmithred | GyrosGeier, it's the same gnupg in debian and devuan | 18:17 |
GyrosGeier | true, but for some reason my Devuan box believes that sockets live below /run/user/... | 18:18 |
fsmithred | I don't know where that comes from | 18:19 |
GyrosGeier | that should be compiled into gpg | 18:20 |
GyrosGeier | gpgconf --list-paths shows that | 18:20 |
GyrosGeier | --list-dirs | 18:20 |
fsmithred | as I said, it's the same package | 18:20 |
fsmithred | we don't fork it | 18:20 |
Owner | is there a difference in versions? | 18:20 |
GyrosGeier | good point | 18:21 |
GyrosGeier | Debian has gpg (GnuPG) 2.2.20 | 18:21 |
GyrosGeier | Devuan has gpg (GnuPG) 2.2.12 | 18:21 |
fsmithred | in which debian? | 18:21 |
Junicchi | buster | 18:21 |
GyrosGeier | bullseye/sid | 18:22 |
Junicchi | uuh | 18:22 |
GyrosGeier | hm | 18:22 |
GyrosGeier | but that might indeed work | 18:22 |
fsmithred | that's weird - we should not be behind buster | 18:23 |
fsmithred | 2.2.20 is in chimaera/ceres.buster has 2.2.12 just like beowulf | 18:26 |
fsmithred | we're not behind | 18:26 |
GyrosGeier | mh | 18:26 |
fsmithred | beowulf=buster (stable), chimaera=bullseye (testing) | 18:27 |
GyrosGeier | let's see if upgrading gnupg fixes the issue | 18:28 |
fsmithred | I have /run/user/1000/gnupg in ascii, beowulf and chimaera | 18:29 |
fsmithred | what are you trying to do? | 18:30 |
GyrosGeier | remote gpg-agent | 18:31 |
GyrosGeier | server is running devuan because server | 18:31 |
GyrosGeier | and I want to give it access to the smartcard in the laptop | 18:31 |
GyrosGeier | the laptop runs debian, and uses ~/.gnupg as socketdir | 18:32 |
fsmithred | is the server running jessie? | 18:32 |
GyrosGeier | beowulf | 18:32 |
fsmithred | sorry, I meant the laptop | 18:33 |
GyrosGeier | laptop is Debian bullseye | 18:33 |
GyrosGeier | hmm | 18:34 |
GyrosGeier | apparently it uses /run/user/... if that exists | 18:34 |
GyrosGeier | so I probably need to configure elogind to not create it | 18:35 |
GyrosGeier | and/or uninstall elogind, why do I even have that? | 18:35 |
GyrosGeier | ah | 18:36 |
GyrosGeier | for libvirt | 18:36 |
GyrosGeier | dang | 18:36 |
Owner | GyrosGeier: why does it matter where the socket is? | 18:48 |
GyrosGeier | ssh cannot create /run/user/1000/gnupg for the socket forward | 18:50 |
GyrosGeier | so the RemoteForward isn't done | 18:50 |
GyrosGeier | so gpg on the server cannot talk to the agent | 18:50 |
fsmithred | did you try using ssh-agent with it? | 18:51 |
GyrosGeier | ssh-agent works | 18:51 |
GyrosGeier | I specifically need to forward the gpg-agent | 18:51 |
GyrosGeier | since I need to decrypt a file on the server | 18:51 |
Owner | well you probably can pipe the file to the decrption machine and pipe it back | 18:52 |
GyrosGeier | nope | 18:54 |
GyrosGeier | 1 TB | 18:54 |
Owner | even so... :p | 18:54 |
Owner | why not just root into /run/user and symlink to !/.gnupg | 18:54 |
Owner | or whatever you gotta do | 18:54 |
GyrosGeier | the secret key is on a smartcard | 18:55 |
GyrosGeier | ah | 18:55 |
GyrosGeier | you mean like a hack to make it work once | 18:55 |
Owner | yes, or fix why ssh cannot create it | 18:56 |
GyrosGeier | it expects the directory to exist | 18:57 |
GyrosGeier | >:/ | 18:58 |
GyrosGeier | I've purged elogind and it still mounts the stupid XDG directory | 18:58 |
Owner | people in the ssh channel have probably seen this | 18:58 |
GyrosGeier | hm | 18:59 |
GyrosGeier | good point | 18:59 |
systemdlete | In Ascii, the virtualbox package includes a script /etc/init.d/virtualbox -- is that an artifact of your package builds? Vbox support tells me that script is long not supported. | 20:57 |
systemdlete | In Beowulf, I seems that file is no longer present? | 20:58 |
fsmithred | there's no virtualbox in ascii | 20:59 |
fsmithred | maybe in backports | 20:59 |
fsmithred | and we don't touch any vbox packages | 20:59 |
systemdlete | https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/19117 | 21:01 |
systemdlete | Then I am not sure how I was able to install it on Ascii. Maybe backports, idk. | 21:02 |
fsmithred | either backports or from oracle | 21:02 |
systemdlete | This is no longer an issue, of course. But I want to close that bug with vbox. | 21:02 |
fsmithred | but my vbox from oracle in ascii has different files in /etc/init.d/ | 21:02 |
systemdlete | Hmmm. Looks like the maintainer of the package I have is "Maintainer: Debian Virtualbox Team <team+debian-virtualbox@tracker.debian.org>" | 21:05 |
fsmithred | yeah, that sounds right for the debian virtualbox | 21:06 |
systemdlete | fsmithred: At this point, I am mainly curious, that's all. Since Beowulf no longer has that file in its vbox package, it won't be an issue going forward. I just haven't upgraded my workbox host to beowulf yet. | 21:06 |
fsmithred | was this once a jessie system? | 21:06 |
fsmithred | oh! | 21:07 |
fsmithred | I do have /etc/init.d/virtualbox in a different ascii install | 21:07 |
systemdlete | No, it was a clean Ascii install. | 21:07 |
systemdlete | AHA!!! | 21:07 |
systemdlete | :D | 21:07 |
fsmithred | apt-file doesn't know where it came from | 21:08 |
fsmithred | maybe I need to re-enable backports for that to work | 21:08 |
fsmithred | Version table: | 21:10 |
fsmithred | *** 5.2.24-dfsg-4~bpo9+1 | 21:10 |
fsmithred | bpo! | 21:10 |
systemdlete | OK, so mystery solved then. Thank you. | 21:12 |
systemdlete | (Yeah, I noticed the "bpo" bit, too, when I ran apt show virtualbox) | 21:12 |
fsmithred | that's a sure sign it's from backports | 21:13 |
systemdlete | I'll keep that in mind... | 21:13 |
fsmithred | looks like no virtualbox in beowulf/buster, either | 21:14 |
enyc | systemdlete: for some upstream-support-reason virtualbox is no longer in debian releases (and so not in devuan) | 23:12 |
systemdlete | ah. That makes sense. So I probably have an entry for vbox's own repos... (checking) | 23:13 |
enyc | systemdlete: mxlinux provide their own builds. Its' also very possible (I reccomend this) to get the debian sid package source and compile this on your faviourite devuan/debian/mxlinux with dpkg-buildpackage | 23:13 |
enyc | systemdlete: not sure vbox have repos, maybe .... they certainly have downloadable deb's [not exactly the same as debian/ubuntu packages] | 23:14 |
systemdlete | yep. I downloaded the deb to beowulf manually. | 23:14 |
systemdlete | I think there is a way to download packages... I'll look at that later. | 23:14 |
enyc | interestingly ubuntu more lax on this an LocutusOfBorg sorts out ther virtualbox in multiverse packages! | 23:15 |
systemdlete | (Istr that on CentOS, I had a repo file for vbox) | 23:15 |
enyc | systemdlete: virtualbox auto update is questionable, sometimes they break and stuff ;p | 23:15 |
systemdlete | no kidding. I NEVER have ANYTHING set for autoupdate. Been screwed too many times, not just by vbox either | 23:16 |
systemdlete | Why I prefer, much prefer, fixed-release distros and software | 23:16 |
enyc | current ubnut release of vbox been fine lately they sometiems SRU/update sometimes, shame debian don't do similar | 23:16 |
enyc | systemdlete: in any case be good imho if you learnt about deb-src lines and "apt-get build-dep" and "dpkg-buildpackage" ...... | 23:17 |
enyc | systemdlete: you can build the debian/devuan dfsg package from sid, and compile it on beowulf, create set of debs then redistributable | 23:17 |
systemdlete | I don't mind them so much for VM's, because it is easy enough to use snapshots and such. Usually, the stuff I run in VMs is not very important (not always though) | 23:17 |
enyc | also.... you MIGHT want to look at 'virt-manager' / libvirt etc instead of virtualbox ata ll =) | 23:18 |
* systemdlete wonders if he is getting primed for something here... :D | 23:19 | |
enyc | virtualbox been useful as a portable-across-OSes mostly-FOSS personal-desktop-virtualizer nonetheless | 23:19 |
enyc | systemdlete: don't think so ??!? | 23:19 |
systemdlete | I've looked at libvirt. I don't recall now, but there was an issue I had with it. Don't recall what it was. | 23:19 |
enyc | sure, i've not playde with either | 23:19 |
enyc | i supsect improved a lot | 23:20 |
ranix | guestmount in devual is fükenbröken | 23:21 |
ranix | devuan* | 23:21 |
ranix | looks like it depends on a bunch of missing systemd nonsense | 23:21 |
enyc | ranix: not entirely suprised, automounting stuff | 23:21 |
systemdlete | guestmount in vbox guest? | 23:22 |
systemdlete | I do it all the time | 23:22 |
systemdlete | with ascii, at least. | 23:22 |
ranix | how do you deal with the weird lvm: error while loading shared libraries: libsystemd.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 23:22 |
ranix | etc | 23:22 |
systemdlete | I've never encountered this. Again, are you talking about vbox guests? | 23:23 |
ranix | no I'm just using "guestmount" to attempt to mount a vhd | 23:23 |
systemdlete | on the host? | 23:23 |
systemdlete | or in a VM? | 23:23 |
ranix | yeah on the host, I just want to dump the files in it to a directory | 23:24 |
systemdlete | I'm not even sure what guestmount is, actually. | 23:24 |
systemdlete | oh | 23:24 |
ranix | well there you go | 23:24 |
enyc | ranix: ranix: hrrm how do vhd's compare to vdi format from virtualbox? | 23:24 |
systemdlete | so you are using, what, some sort of fuse thing? | 23:24 |
ranix | I don't even know, I just saw that it was looking for piles of systemd nonsense and decided to say hey guys guestmount looks for piles of systemd nonsense | 23:24 |
ranix | I already worked around my issue by mounting the disk elsewhere and copying data over the network | 23:25 |
systemdlete | I don't even find guestmount in a apt search | 23:25 |
systemdlete | backports? | 23:26 |
ranix | libguestfs-tools | 23:26 |
systemdlete | (installing it now) | 23:29 |
systemdlete | (only uses 65 packages... ) | 23:29 |
ranix | yeah it's pretty bloaty | 23:32 |
ranix | it might just be garbage | 23:32 |
ranix | ubunticized | 23:32 |
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