libera/#devuan/ Thursday, 2020-08-20

eponyvery dependent, it's not own, it's a fixup and send back fixes for.. fixing02:05
eponyopenbsdtai123, your conclusions are incorrect but you know that02:06
pablocastellanosI have a race condition, in /etc/fstab I have two nfs directories to be mounted, but these didn't mount.06:10
pablocastellanosAt “configuring network interfaces” it says /etc/init.d/rpcbind: 42 /etc/init.d/rpcbind: stat: not found06:11
pablocastellanos/run/rpcbind not owned by root failed!06:11
pablocastellanosStarting NFS common utilities: statd06:12
pablocastellanosNot starting: portmapper is not running .. (warning).06:12
pablocastellanosmount.nfs: rpc.statd is not running but is required for remote locking.06:13
pablocastellanos... more mount.nfs errors, and after that, rpcbind, and statd plus imapd starts, but it's too late.06:14
rrqthat script wants to use /usr/bin/stat and for some reason that is not available at that time07:35
openbsdtai123Good morning08:58
psarriaey guys, i'm trying to do an update via apt-get update but i see i cannot connect with packages.roundr.devuan.org, are there any problems there ?13:51
onefangpsarria: Use deb.devuan.org instead of packages.roundr.devuan.org.14:05
onefangCoz packages.roundr.devuan.org is deprecated.14:06
yanmaani>devuan-keyring is already the newest version (2017.10.03).18:58
yanmaaniIs this normal?18:58
masonyanmaani: What was the context where you saw it?18:59
psarriaonefang, ok, thanks a lot, i'm going to use deb.devuan.org19:00
yanmaanimason: Installing it as per the guide19:21
yanmaanifor upgrading19:21
yanmaaniIs that the latest version?19:21
masonyanmaani: https://bpa.st/STLA19:21
masonfrom a beowulf system19:22
yanmaaniI'm trying to do dist-upgrade but it says a lot of packages will be removed20:00
yanmaanipackages I'd like to keep, like certbot and electrum20:00
yanmaaniIt also needs gigabytes of space20:00
yanmaaniany way around?20:00
gnarfaceyanmaani: what release are you trying to upgrade to?  the short answer is probably no20:02
gnarfaceyanmaani: most the time if the packages are popular enough, they'll be reintroduced later.  sometimes the old versions are just so old they need to be uninstalled first and it's nothing to worry about.  hard to say exactly which case you're in for each package.  best to keep a list.20:03
yanmaaniascii -> beowulf20:03
gnarfacewell, certbot is in every release, so you'll most likely be able to reinstall that one after the upgrade just fine20:05
yanmaaniright, but it seems worrying that I'd have to do this20:05
yanmaaniwhy can't it keep my packages?20:05
gnarfacethere could be a lot of reasons20:05
gnarfaceone for example is maybe you used a version from ascii-backports that, due to namespace limitations and package naming rules, looks newer even though it's older, so is now in conflict20:05
golinuxLet's see your sources.list20:06
gnarfaceanother reason of course is your sources.list could be jacked up (good point, golinux)20:06
golinuxnot here post elsewhere20:06
gnarfaceelectrum however seems to not be present in beowulf, but is present in chimera and ceres, which means it didn't make the freeze, and you're SOL for that one unless you're up for building it yourself20:06
yanmaanijacked up? There's a bunch of software-specific repos, but otherwise I just switched packages -> deb, ascii -> beowulf, and removed deb-src20:07
gnarface(which, to be honest might not be possible, which might be why it's not there to begin with)20:07
yanmaanielectrum I can use as appimage20:07
gnarfaceyanmaani: just paste the sources.list at paste.debian.net and we'll tell you if anything looks outdated or wrong.20:07
gnarfaceyanmaani: one common mistake is to still be using the deprecated "auto.mirror.devuan.org" domain instead of the new "deb.devuan.org" domain20:08
gnarfaceyanmaani: but also some people have been really cavalier with release version and distro mixing with 3rd party packages and repos and sometimes just fall on their sword20:08
gnarfaceyanmaani: basically if you pulled in 3rd party packages or the wrong versions of stuff, you actually WANT those things to be uninstalled before the upgrade.... it could be a worse problem down the road otherwise20:10
gnarfaceyanmaani: you can check for the existence and versions of specific packages here:  pkginfo.devuan.org20:11
yanmaanihttps://paste.debian.net/hidden/742b794c/20:22
masonyanmaani: That looks reasonable.20:26
gnarfaceyanmaani: alright, assuming you understood what i said about letting it remove conflicting packages you got from somewhere off the beaten path, the only clear mistake i see is that it appears you're trying to do a dist-upgrade with beowulf-backports enabled.  don't do that;  only enable beowulf-backports after the upgrade, and only for select packages (then disable it again)20:26
yanmaanioh, right, thanks20:27
masonyanmaani: So, the common upgrade instructions are apt-get update; apt-get upgrade and if that works, then apt-get dist-upgrade20:27
masongnarface: Will that matter at all if he's not saying -t backports?20:27
yanmaaniright, so if I remove backports will that do what I want?20:27
yanmaanior do I need to like force downgrade?20:27
gnarfacemason: if he dist-upgrades yes, i think so.20:27
masonInteresting. I can see how that could happen.20:28
yanmaanioh, but if I just do upgrade it seems much less threatening20:28
yanmaaniand then DU later20:28
masonBut dist-upgrade without backports enabled, because what gnarface is saying seems very plausible.20:28
gnarfaceyanmaani: you'll need to do the dist-upgrade to complete the actual upgrade, but now that i see how you're using backports, it seems likely that the conflicting packages you described were in fact backports packages.  that reinforces my initial advice to just let them uninstall to get them out of the way so you can put them back later20:29
yanmaaniyeah, thanks, that makes sense20:29
yanmaaniwhen I tried to upgrade individual packages it tried to throw away half the syste20:29
yanmaanim, which is not great20:29
gnarfaceit can get messy20:30
gnarfaceif it uninstalls the currently in-use kernel, make sure you install another one before you reboot it, lol20:30
gnarface(a real problem some people had with the jessie->ascii upgrade)20:30
gnarfacein general i try only to get what i specifically need from backports, and avoid letting it drag in everything20:32
yanmaaniIs `upgrade` always saf?20:35
yanmaanie*20:35
masonUpgrade tries to be safe.20:41
mason"New packages will be installed if required to satisfy dependencies, but existing packages will never be removed."20:41
gnarfaceyanmaani: my guess is part of the issue was you already had backports packages from ascii muddying up the situation20:45
yanmaaniwhy does the upgrade add 2G of stuff? Is there any way to see what causes it?20:51
gnarfaceyanmaani: try "apt-get --no-install-recommends dist-upgrade"21:05
gnarfaceyanmaani: (it's likely mostly "recommends" stuff, but also don't forget the displacement of all that stuff that was removed as conflict earlier, and a couple hundred megs per old kernel (which won't disappear automatically just because they're not in use, but might disappear along with much of this other stuff if you "apt-get --purge autoremove" afterwards)21:06
icetuxIs it known that packages.roundr.devuan.org seems down? Auto devuan mirrors is still recommending it21:07
gnarfacehmmm.  golinux do you happen to know what's up with packages.roundr.devuan.org?21:08
fsmithredping fail on that but succeeds on packages.devuan.org21:13
fsmithredbut better to use deb.devuan.org because the old one (packages, auto.mirror) is going away21:13
fsmithrednope. packages.devuan.org is not serving. apt update fails21:15
fsmithredno route to host21:15
fsmithredwe only kept it alive for the jessie installer isos, and those will no longer work because jessie is now at archive.devuan.org (I think that's right)21:16
gnarfacei get 46.105.191.77 for packages.devuan.org21:16
fsmithredyeah, same here21:17
fsmithreddevuan jessie packages are in archive, debian jessie are not yet there21:17
icetuxhttp://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged is going away? that’s what my system is configured to now21:18
fsmithredchange to deb.devuan.org21:18
icetuxi can change to deb.devuan.org but won’t this break all existing installations of devuan?21:18
fsmithredI just tried updating a beowulf with a packages.devuan.org line and it failed21:18
fsmithredno, it won't break anything21:18
fsmithredunless you never updated your jessie after october 201721:19
icetuxi just mean that all existing installations will have to change their auto.mirror.devuan.org (i think the default) to deb.devuan.org21:19
fsmithredyeah21:19
icetuxok. just making sure21:19
fsmithredtry updating one and see if it works21:19
gnarfaceicetux: deprecated a while back, actually.  it's a surprise you haven't noticed missing updates21:19
fsmithredOH!21:19
fsmithredauto.mirror might work if some of the mirrors are still up21:20
fsmithredbut they all mirror packages.devuan.org21:20
gnarfaceyea but there was a problem with some of them being "up" but no longer themselves receiving updates21:20
fsmithreddeb.devuan.org mirrors pkgmaster.devuan.org21:20
fsmithredgnarface, were they complaining?21:20
fsmithredor just holding old stuff?21:20
gnarfacefsmithred: it was a while back but people using auto.mirror were getting incomplete/missing upgrades, expecting newer versions and getting nothing, etc.21:21
fsmithredok, thanks. I guess that makes sense.21:21
icetuxgnarface: yeah i guess i thought it was just auto updating all this time. i only use devuan on one machine now so it must have slipped by21:22
wikanynksh21:32
wikando I see correctly... there is no koffice in repo?21:32
wikanohhh it is unmaintained21:32
nemowow. koffice still exists?21:41
nemohaha. no21:41
nemodead for 9 years21:41
nemowikan: appears Calligra is the maintained fork21:42
nemohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calligra21:42
nemohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KOffice21:42
wikanthanks ;)21:48
wikantried calliword21:49
wikanit is piece of shit21:49
wikanhttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Calligra_Words.png/300px-Calligra_Words.png21:49
wikanthis is default setup21:50
wikanon my computer document is on 1/3 of screen, these tabs use 2/321:50
gnarfacelibreoffice is much improved21:51
wikanyea, true21:51
wikanbut still some settings is hard to get - like page numbers21:52
yanmaaniHave there been a lot of people burned by the deb. infrastructure change today?22:00
nemowikan: yeah, I'd definitely go with libreoffice these days22:07
nemowikan: or some DPT software if that's more your thing22:07
nemoDTP22:07
nemolike Scribus22:07
nemowikan: I guess Calligra might still make sense where you need something lightweight. mobile, rpi..22:08
wikancalligra is good for people who don;t want see what they write ;)22:08
wikanI use Scribus22:08
nemowikan: so... I thought at some point WP5.1 was the epitome of text editors22:09
nemoer... document editors22:09
wikanI was looking for something for my mom. She is very famiiar with old MS Office apps, like 9722:09
nemowikan: but, I kinda get where libreoffice and msword were trying to go22:09
nemoah. I see22:09
nemowikan: huh. libreoffice seems close to msoffice to me..22:09
nemowikan: anyway, accessing page numbers in libreoffice seems pretty easy. I just added a header with page numbers now.  was just focus header, select page number22:10
nemoHeader (default style) → Insert Page Number22:10
wikanyea, but my mom wants to start numbering from second page22:11
wikani remember when I was trying to use page styles. Damn it is sooo broken :D22:11
wikani wonder if is there any "Word-like" vim plugin :D22:13
wikanmy bro told he show me how to configure page numbering in lo ;)22:14
nemowikan: https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/13741/how-do-i-begin-page-numbers-on-page-2-in-writer/22:14
wikanfuck man :|22:15
nemoguessing 'cause first page is the ToC eh22:16
wikani lost rerading point 422:16
wikanyea I did something similar. I added FirstPage manualy22:17
wikanand where wasn't page number of the first page22:17
wikanbut second page had number 2 :D22:17
wikanfuck logic22:17
nemowikan: well. I gotta say22:18
nemowikan: starting 2nd page at 2 does kinda make sense, even if first page is an un-numbered ToC22:18
nemowikan: anyway fix for that is trivial, you just doubleclick on number and set the offset to -122:18
nemowikan: I just opened a random novel on my desk, and it starts numbering at 422:19
wikandidnt know it is editable O.o22:19
nemowikan: hm.. here's an odd one for me...22:26
nemowikan: I made 3 pages22:26
nemowikan: and just as experiment tried setting it to firstpage,index,default22:26
nemoI can't seem to manage to do that22:26
nemobut probably all this should be in #libreoffice22:26
wikanlol22:27
wikannever mind, take a beer nemo https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=J8lG_159763358722:28
* wikan asks to not banning him22:29
luke-jrW: Failed to fetch http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages  Unable to connect to packages.roundr.devuan.org:http:23:33
gnarfaceluke-jr: known23:34
gnarfaceluke-jr: you should be using deb.devuan.org instead of us.mirror.devuan.org anyway though23:34
brocashelmi use deb.devuan.org and it works 99.9% of the time23:35
golinuxluke-jr: Country Codes are not set up on devuan.  Please see https://devuan.org/os/packages23:45
golinuxWhy do folks keep asking questions that are easily answered by reading the website.  Sigh . . .23:46
luke-jrI did search first23:48
luke-jrmight be helpful to have the error message someplace search engines will index23:49
brocashelmgolinux: in all fairness, some parts of the web site are outdated and could use some revisions to keep up with recent developments. for example, the git links don't work (i noticed this when i was trying to look into the "66-devuan" suite)23:51
golinuxThose links from the previous git have all been corrected23:52
golinuxWeeks ago when it was first noticed23:52
golinuxluke-jr's problem wasn't a link issue.23:53
brocashelmok23:54
golinuxhttps://dev1galaxy.org/search.php?search_id=132116024623:56
golinuxhttps://lists.dyne.org/lurker/search/20380101.000000.00000000@ml:dng,us.mirror.devuan.org.en.html23:56

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