epony | very dependent, it's not own, it's a fixup and send back fixes for.. fixing | 02:05 |
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epony | openbsdtai123, your conclusions are incorrect but you know that | 02:06 |
pablocastellanos | I have a race condition, in /etc/fstab I have two nfs directories to be mounted, but these didn't mount. | 06:10 |
pablocastellanos | At “configuring network interfaces” it says /etc/init.d/rpcbind: 42 /etc/init.d/rpcbind: stat: not found | 06:11 |
pablocastellanos | /run/rpcbind not owned by root failed! | 06:11 |
pablocastellanos | Starting NFS common utilities: statd | 06:12 |
pablocastellanos | Not starting: portmapper is not running .. (warning). | 06:12 |
pablocastellanos | mount.nfs: rpc.statd is not running but is required for remote locking. | 06:13 |
pablocastellanos | ... more mount.nfs errors, and after that, rpcbind, and statd plus imapd starts, but it's too late. | 06:14 |
rrq | that script wants to use /usr/bin/stat and for some reason that is not available at that time | 07:35 |
openbsdtai123 | Good morning | 08:58 |
psarria | ey guys, i'm trying to do an update via apt-get update but i see i cannot connect with packages.roundr.devuan.org, are there any problems there ? | 13:51 |
onefang | psarria: Use deb.devuan.org instead of packages.roundr.devuan.org. | 14:05 |
onefang | Coz packages.roundr.devuan.org is deprecated. | 14:06 |
yanmaani | >devuan-keyring is already the newest version (2017.10.03). | 18:58 |
yanmaani | Is this normal? | 18:58 |
mason | yanmaani: What was the context where you saw it? | 18:59 |
psarria | onefang, ok, thanks a lot, i'm going to use deb.devuan.org | 19:00 |
yanmaani | mason: Installing it as per the guide | 19:21 |
yanmaani | for upgrading | 19:21 |
yanmaani | Is that the latest version? | 19:21 |
mason | yanmaani: https://bpa.st/STLA | 19:21 |
mason | from a beowulf system | 19:22 |
yanmaani | I'm trying to do dist-upgrade but it says a lot of packages will be removed | 20:00 |
yanmaani | packages I'd like to keep, like certbot and electrum | 20:00 |
yanmaani | It also needs gigabytes of space | 20:00 |
yanmaani | any way around? | 20:00 |
gnarface | yanmaani: what release are you trying to upgrade to? the short answer is probably no | 20:02 |
gnarface | yanmaani: most the time if the packages are popular enough, they'll be reintroduced later. sometimes the old versions are just so old they need to be uninstalled first and it's nothing to worry about. hard to say exactly which case you're in for each package. best to keep a list. | 20:03 |
yanmaani | ascii -> beowulf | 20:03 |
gnarface | well, certbot is in every release, so you'll most likely be able to reinstall that one after the upgrade just fine | 20:05 |
yanmaani | right, but it seems worrying that I'd have to do this | 20:05 |
yanmaani | why can't it keep my packages? | 20:05 |
gnarface | there could be a lot of reasons | 20:05 |
gnarface | one for example is maybe you used a version from ascii-backports that, due to namespace limitations and package naming rules, looks newer even though it's older, so is now in conflict | 20:05 |
golinux | Let's see your sources.list | 20:06 |
gnarface | another reason of course is your sources.list could be jacked up (good point, golinux) | 20:06 |
golinux | not here post elsewhere | 20:06 |
gnarface | electrum however seems to not be present in beowulf, but is present in chimera and ceres, which means it didn't make the freeze, and you're SOL for that one unless you're up for building it yourself | 20:06 |
yanmaani | jacked up? There's a bunch of software-specific repos, but otherwise I just switched packages -> deb, ascii -> beowulf, and removed deb-src | 20:07 |
gnarface | (which, to be honest might not be possible, which might be why it's not there to begin with) | 20:07 |
yanmaani | electrum I can use as appimage | 20:07 |
gnarface | yanmaani: just paste the sources.list at paste.debian.net and we'll tell you if anything looks outdated or wrong. | 20:07 |
gnarface | yanmaani: one common mistake is to still be using the deprecated "auto.mirror.devuan.org" domain instead of the new "deb.devuan.org" domain | 20:08 |
gnarface | yanmaani: but also some people have been really cavalier with release version and distro mixing with 3rd party packages and repos and sometimes just fall on their sword | 20:08 |
gnarface | yanmaani: basically if you pulled in 3rd party packages or the wrong versions of stuff, you actually WANT those things to be uninstalled before the upgrade.... it could be a worse problem down the road otherwise | 20:10 |
gnarface | yanmaani: you can check for the existence and versions of specific packages here: pkginfo.devuan.org | 20:11 |
yanmaani | https://paste.debian.net/hidden/742b794c/ | 20:22 |
mason | yanmaani: That looks reasonable. | 20:26 |
gnarface | yanmaani: alright, assuming you understood what i said about letting it remove conflicting packages you got from somewhere off the beaten path, the only clear mistake i see is that it appears you're trying to do a dist-upgrade with beowulf-backports enabled. don't do that; only enable beowulf-backports after the upgrade, and only for select packages (then disable it again) | 20:26 |
yanmaani | oh, right, thanks | 20:27 |
mason | yanmaani: So, the common upgrade instructions are apt-get update; apt-get upgrade and if that works, then apt-get dist-upgrade | 20:27 |
mason | gnarface: Will that matter at all if he's not saying -t backports? | 20:27 |
yanmaani | right, so if I remove backports will that do what I want? | 20:27 |
yanmaani | or do I need to like force downgrade? | 20:27 |
gnarface | mason: if he dist-upgrades yes, i think so. | 20:27 |
mason | Interesting. I can see how that could happen. | 20:28 |
yanmaani | oh, but if I just do upgrade it seems much less threatening | 20:28 |
yanmaani | and then DU later | 20:28 |
mason | But dist-upgrade without backports enabled, because what gnarface is saying seems very plausible. | 20:28 |
gnarface | yanmaani: you'll need to do the dist-upgrade to complete the actual upgrade, but now that i see how you're using backports, it seems likely that the conflicting packages you described were in fact backports packages. that reinforces my initial advice to just let them uninstall to get them out of the way so you can put them back later | 20:29 |
yanmaani | yeah, thanks, that makes sense | 20:29 |
yanmaani | when I tried to upgrade individual packages it tried to throw away half the syste | 20:29 |
yanmaani | m, which is not great | 20:29 |
gnarface | it can get messy | 20:30 |
gnarface | if it uninstalls the currently in-use kernel, make sure you install another one before you reboot it, lol | 20:30 |
gnarface | (a real problem some people had with the jessie->ascii upgrade) | 20:30 |
gnarface | in general i try only to get what i specifically need from backports, and avoid letting it drag in everything | 20:32 |
yanmaani | Is `upgrade` always saf? | 20:35 |
yanmaani | e* | 20:35 |
mason | Upgrade tries to be safe. | 20:41 |
mason | "New packages will be installed if required to satisfy dependencies, but existing packages will never be removed." | 20:41 |
gnarface | yanmaani: my guess is part of the issue was you already had backports packages from ascii muddying up the situation | 20:45 |
yanmaani | why does the upgrade add 2G of stuff? Is there any way to see what causes it? | 20:51 |
gnarface | yanmaani: try "apt-get --no-install-recommends dist-upgrade" | 21:05 |
gnarface | yanmaani: (it's likely mostly "recommends" stuff, but also don't forget the displacement of all that stuff that was removed as conflict earlier, and a couple hundred megs per old kernel (which won't disappear automatically just because they're not in use, but might disappear along with much of this other stuff if you "apt-get --purge autoremove" afterwards) | 21:06 |
icetux | Is it known that packages.roundr.devuan.org seems down? Auto devuan mirrors is still recommending it | 21:07 |
gnarface | hmmm. golinux do you happen to know what's up with packages.roundr.devuan.org? | 21:08 |
fsmithred | ping fail on that but succeeds on packages.devuan.org | 21:13 |
fsmithred | but better to use deb.devuan.org because the old one (packages, auto.mirror) is going away | 21:13 |
fsmithred | nope. packages.devuan.org is not serving. apt update fails | 21:15 |
fsmithred | no route to host | 21:15 |
fsmithred | we only kept it alive for the jessie installer isos, and those will no longer work because jessie is now at archive.devuan.org (I think that's right) | 21:16 |
gnarface | i get 46.105.191.77 for packages.devuan.org | 21:16 |
fsmithred | yeah, same here | 21:17 |
fsmithred | devuan jessie packages are in archive, debian jessie are not yet there | 21:17 |
icetux | http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged is going away? that’s what my system is configured to now | 21:18 |
fsmithred | change to deb.devuan.org | 21:18 |
icetux | i can change to deb.devuan.org but won’t this break all existing installations of devuan? | 21:18 |
fsmithred | I just tried updating a beowulf with a packages.devuan.org line and it failed | 21:18 |
fsmithred | no, it won't break anything | 21:18 |
fsmithred | unless you never updated your jessie after october 2017 | 21:19 |
icetux | i just mean that all existing installations will have to change their auto.mirror.devuan.org (i think the default) to deb.devuan.org | 21:19 |
fsmithred | yeah | 21:19 |
icetux | ok. just making sure | 21:19 |
fsmithred | try updating one and see if it works | 21:19 |
gnarface | icetux: deprecated a while back, actually. it's a surprise you haven't noticed missing updates | 21:19 |
fsmithred | OH! | 21:19 |
fsmithred | auto.mirror might work if some of the mirrors are still up | 21:20 |
fsmithred | but they all mirror packages.devuan.org | 21:20 |
gnarface | yea but there was a problem with some of them being "up" but no longer themselves receiving updates | 21:20 |
fsmithred | deb.devuan.org mirrors pkgmaster.devuan.org | 21:20 |
fsmithred | gnarface, were they complaining? | 21:20 |
fsmithred | or just holding old stuff? | 21:20 |
gnarface | fsmithred: it was a while back but people using auto.mirror were getting incomplete/missing upgrades, expecting newer versions and getting nothing, etc. | 21:21 |
fsmithred | ok, thanks. I guess that makes sense. | 21:21 |
icetux | gnarface: yeah i guess i thought it was just auto updating all this time. i only use devuan on one machine now so it must have slipped by | 21:22 |
wikan | ynksh | 21:32 |
wikan | do I see correctly... there is no koffice in repo? | 21:32 |
wikan | ohhh it is unmaintained | 21:32 |
nemo | wow. koffice still exists? | 21:41 |
nemo | haha. no | 21:41 |
nemo | dead for 9 years | 21:41 |
nemo | wikan: appears Calligra is the maintained fork | 21:42 |
nemo | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calligra | 21:42 |
nemo | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KOffice | 21:42 |
wikan | thanks ;) | 21:48 |
wikan | tried calliword | 21:49 |
wikan | it is piece of shit | 21:49 |
wikan | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Calligra_Words.png/300px-Calligra_Words.png | 21:49 |
wikan | this is default setup | 21:50 |
wikan | on my computer document is on 1/3 of screen, these tabs use 2/3 | 21:50 |
gnarface | libreoffice is much improved | 21:51 |
wikan | yea, true | 21:51 |
wikan | but still some settings is hard to get - like page numbers | 21:52 |
yanmaani | Have there been a lot of people burned by the deb. infrastructure change today? | 22:00 |
nemo | wikan: yeah, I'd definitely go with libreoffice these days | 22:07 |
nemo | wikan: or some DPT software if that's more your thing | 22:07 |
nemo | DTP | 22:07 |
nemo | like Scribus | 22:07 |
nemo | wikan: I guess Calligra might still make sense where you need something lightweight. mobile, rpi.. | 22:08 |
wikan | calligra is good for people who don;t want see what they write ;) | 22:08 |
wikan | I use Scribus | 22:08 |
nemo | wikan: so... I thought at some point WP5.1 was the epitome of text editors | 22:09 |
nemo | er... document editors | 22:09 |
wikan | I was looking for something for my mom. She is very famiiar with old MS Office apps, like 97 | 22:09 |
nemo | wikan: but, I kinda get where libreoffice and msword were trying to go | 22:09 |
nemo | ah. I see | 22:09 |
nemo | wikan: huh. libreoffice seems close to msoffice to me.. | 22:09 |
nemo | wikan: anyway, accessing page numbers in libreoffice seems pretty easy. I just added a header with page numbers now. was just focus header, select page number | 22:10 |
nemo | Header (default style) → Insert Page Number | 22:10 |
wikan | yea, but my mom wants to start numbering from second page | 22:11 |
wikan | i remember when I was trying to use page styles. Damn it is sooo broken :D | 22:11 |
wikan | i wonder if is there any "Word-like" vim plugin :D | 22:13 |
wikan | my bro told he show me how to configure page numbering in lo ;) | 22:14 |
nemo | wikan: https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/13741/how-do-i-begin-page-numbers-on-page-2-in-writer/ | 22:14 |
wikan | fuck man :| | 22:15 |
nemo | guessing 'cause first page is the ToC eh | 22:16 |
wikan | i lost rerading point 4 | 22:16 |
wikan | yea I did something similar. I added FirstPage manualy | 22:17 |
wikan | and where wasn't page number of the first page | 22:17 |
wikan | but second page had number 2 :D | 22:17 |
wikan | fuck logic | 22:17 |
nemo | wikan: well. I gotta say | 22:18 |
nemo | wikan: starting 2nd page at 2 does kinda make sense, even if first page is an un-numbered ToC | 22:18 |
nemo | wikan: anyway fix for that is trivial, you just doubleclick on number and set the offset to -1 | 22:18 |
nemo | wikan: I just opened a random novel on my desk, and it starts numbering at 4 | 22:19 |
wikan | didnt know it is editable O.o | 22:19 |
nemo | wikan: hm.. here's an odd one for me... | 22:26 |
nemo | wikan: I made 3 pages | 22:26 |
nemo | wikan: and just as experiment tried setting it to firstpage,index,default | 22:26 |
nemo | I can't seem to manage to do that | 22:26 |
nemo | but probably all this should be in #libreoffice | 22:26 |
wikan | lol | 22:27 |
wikan | never mind, take a beer nemo https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=J8lG_1597633587 | 22:28 |
* wikan asks to not banning him | 22:29 | |
luke-jr | W: Failed to fetch http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages Unable to connect to packages.roundr.devuan.org:http: | 23:33 |
gnarface | luke-jr: known | 23:34 |
gnarface | luke-jr: you should be using deb.devuan.org instead of us.mirror.devuan.org anyway though | 23:34 |
brocashelm | i use deb.devuan.org and it works 99.9% of the time | 23:35 |
golinux | luke-jr: Country Codes are not set up on devuan. Please see https://devuan.org/os/packages | 23:45 |
golinux | Why do folks keep asking questions that are easily answered by reading the website. Sigh . . . | 23:46 |
luke-jr | I did search first | 23:48 |
luke-jr | might be helpful to have the error message someplace search engines will index | 23:49 |
brocashelm | golinux: in all fairness, some parts of the web site are outdated and could use some revisions to keep up with recent developments. for example, the git links don't work (i noticed this when i was trying to look into the "66-devuan" suite) | 23:51 |
golinux | Those links from the previous git have all been corrected | 23:52 |
golinux | Weeks ago when it was first noticed | 23:52 |
golinux | luke-jr's problem wasn't a link issue. | 23:53 |
brocashelm | ok | 23:54 |
golinux | https://dev1galaxy.org/search.php?search_id=1321160246 | 23:56 |
golinux | https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/search/20380101.000000.00000000@ml:dng,us.mirror.devuan.org.en.html | 23:56 |
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