mason | SuaveDandy: Hey, so, ZFS is fine on SSDs. It supports TRIM of a couple flavours, depending on which ZFS you're using. | 00:52 |
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mason | SuaveDandy: For Devuan, you can either use the Debian DKMS or build custom packages from upstream. I build the custom packages so I can centralize my builds. | 00:54 |
SuaveDandy | I've also read that ZFS takes lotta RAM. | 01:14 |
mason | SuaveDandy: I've run it on a desktop with 1G of RAM. If you use deduplication, yeah, it wants a lot of RAM. | 01:16 |
mason | Decent rule of thumb is that you won't have to think about it if you've got 4G or more. | 01:16 |
mason | Heading off to dinner, but I'll be back and can answer questions in detail, so load 'em up and I'll answer when I get back. | 01:17 |
mason | There's also #zfsonlinux. | 01:17 |
SuaveDandy | Thanks. | 01:18 |
SuaveDandy | Is ZFS more reliable than BtrFS? And what if I'm doing some RAM-intensive tasks? Say, uh, gaming. | 01:19 |
specing | SuaveDandy: you can use btrfs and run dedup overnight once in a blue moon | 01:21 |
mason | SuaveDandy: ZFS is dramatically more reliable than BtrFS in most situations. | 01:27 |
SuaveDandy | mason: How does the native ZFS encryption compare to LUKS? | 02:02 |
Hurgotron | I was very surprised yesterday that LUKS does multithreaded decryption at least... didn't try encryption | 02:05 |
Hurgotron | I think FreeBSD gei doesn't do that, | 02:06 |
Hurgotron | *geli | 02:06 |
zalckos | can I just follow this guide to install the linux-libre kernel? | 02:39 |
zalckos | https://jxself.org/linux-libre/ | 02:39 |
zalckos | should I install linux-libre-5.7 instead of the latest (5.8) if my system is currently running 5.7? | 02:39 |
mason | SuaveDandy: Native ZFS encryption is okay. I'm not a big fan of it for a number of reasons - first off, it only allows for one keyslot per dataset. Second, it's really problematic trying to send a dataset from an encrypted pool to an unencrypted pool. I prefer using the underlying encryption available - LUKS or GELI. | 02:51 |
zalckos | yes, the link I posted works, just rebooted successfully :) | 03:24 |
zalckos | 5.8 works too | 03:25 |
zalckos | their instructions on apt-key management are just outdated | 03:25 |
mason | Oh, jxself. | 05:18 |
mason | Haven't seen him in years. | 05:18 |
mason | Hrm, wondering what was wrong with the apt-key key management. That all still works, even though /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d is what everyone likes now. | 05:19 |
mason | (Downside: you have to know how to use gpg to remove keys rather than just cd'ing into a directory and using rm.) | 05:20 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | rc-service stop opensmtpd doesn't work on beowulf | 08:59 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | the daemon continues to run | 08:59 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | despite saying it stopped | 08:59 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | starting is broken too | 09:03 |
razorlikes | Hey everyone, I'm trying to install Devuan Jessie but even when I use archive.devuan.org the installer fails to download some files. Looking at the log it seems you updated the Release files to only include SHA256 hashes but the installer is looking for MD5 hashes and won't download the package files. Any idea what I could do? | 12:41 |
CAPTCHA_REQUIRED | nvm | 12:42 |
Xelraa | devuan jessie? you mean ascii | 12:55 |
Xelraa | ah its beouwolf now actually | 12:55 |
razorlikes | No I mean Jessie. 1.0.0 I can't use a newer Release because I am stuck on Kernel 2.6.35 and newer Releases use a newer glibc version which won't work on my Kernel | 12:58 |
razorlikes | The Release file here: https://archive.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie/Release only contains SHA256 hashes but the installer (at least the armhf installer) only looks for MD5 hashes and won't download any files since it can't check the hash. | 13:01 |
razorlikes | Or is there any way to disable the hash check in the installer? | 13:02 |
fsmithred | razorlikes, you could install from one of the live isos. The live installer just copies the running system to hard drive. No mirror involved. Then you should be able to install other packages (after you edit sources.list) | 13:14 |
razorlikes | fsmithred Where can I find Jessie isos for armhf? I onyl found some for i386 and amd64. | 13:17 |
fsmithred | oh, there are no live isos for arm* | 13:18 |
fsmithred | there are disk images, though. Are any of them right for your hardware? | 13:18 |
fsmithred | You looked at these? https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie/embedded/ | 13:19 |
razorlikes | Sadly not I'm gonna try ony of the RPI images the only thing that's changed among these should be the kernel, right? | 13:19 |
fsmithred | I don't know | 13:20 |
fsmithred | never played with arm stuff | 13:20 |
razorlikes | Well I'll see how this works out. Someone should look at the Jessie sources tho. Even though they're out of LTS now this effectively breaks all the installer images. | 13:22 |
fsmithred | I'll pass the word along about the md5sums | 13:24 |
razorlikes | Great! Thanks for the info! | 13:25 |
SuaveDandy | Guys. I can't boot the minimal live ISO. I tried writing it to USB with both Rufus and Win32 Image Writer. | 15:58 |
SuaveDandy | What am I doing wrong? | 15:58 |
SuaveDandy | I used the dd mode in Rufus, ofc. | 15:58 |
fsmithred | SuaveDandy, bios or uefi? | 16:19 |
fsmithred | the official minimal-live is for bios only. If you need uefi, I made one and put it here: https://get.refracta.org/files/experimental/devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_amd64_uefi_minimal-live.iso | 16:21 |
SuaveDandy | For BIOS only? OOF. | 16:22 |
SuaveDandy | It's antiX Core all over again. | 16:22 |
fsmithred | That iso is not in the SHASUMS file. sha256sum is 8655c89c68a454458e3d9ea1c2e0b266315f72a2f81f6e043309a4d334d0a893 devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_amd64_uefi_minimal-live.iso | 16:24 |
SuaveDandy | There are Devuan derivatives? | 16:25 |
SuaveDandy | I am surprised. | 16:25 |
SuaveDandy | Huh. Refracta has no Fish or Zsh in its repos. | 16:32 |
fsmithred | refracta has no repos | 16:32 |
fsmithred | it's just a respin of devuan | 16:32 |
SuaveDandy | I mean, in its package.list. | 16:32 |
fsmithred | use sshfs | 16:32 |
fsmithred | or sftp | 16:33 |
fsmithred | or are you talking about another fish? | 16:33 |
fsmithred | brb | 16:33 |
SuaveDandy | The shell. | 16:33 |
SuaveDandy | The main page says it only includes the popular packages. | 16:34 |
fsmithred | ok, I see fish in the repo. This is the first time I've heard of it. | 16:40 |
SuaveDandy | There are all kinds of shells available. | 16:45 |
SuaveDandy | Tho Bash, Bourne, Ash, Dash, Zsh, Fish and Pwsh are the most well-known. | 16:46 |
fsmithred | and bash is probably the most common default shell in linux | 16:47 |
SuaveDandy | It is. | 16:47 |
SuaveDandy | Tho Alpine uses Ash. | 16:47 |
SuaveDandy | And Ubuntu used Dash. | 16:47 |
SuaveDandy | Android probably uses Bourne. | 16:48 |
SuaveDandy | But I'm not sure. | 16:48 |
SuaveDandy | Ubuntu uses Bash as well now, obv. I mean, it used all kinds of obscure things before. Like Upstart. Remember Upstart? | 16:50 |
SuaveDandy | Yeah, that was a thing. | 16:50 |
fsmithred | yes, I remember upstart, and I think ubuntu used bash way back when I tried it. | 16:51 |
fsmithred | when they were closer to debian | 16:52 |
SuaveDandy | I mean, as far as I remember, Canonical made Dash. | 16:53 |
SuaveDandy | I have a question: what's the difference between Refracta and Devuan exactly? I'm still scratching my head trying to figure this out. | 16:54 |
SuaveDandy | Other then the Refracta Tools. | 16:55 |
fsmithred | the package selection is slightly different... | 16:55 |
fsmithred | packages are mostly installed without Recommends | 16:56 |
fsmithred | and mostly without metapackages | 16:56 |
fsmithred | so if you try to remove something, it won't try to remove the whole desktop | 16:56 |
fsmithred | and a few config tweaks | 16:56 |
SuaveDandy | Hmmmm. | 16:56 |
SuaveDandy | The more intricate package management, you say? | 16:57 |
SuaveDandy | Interesting. | 16:57 |
fsmithred | it's the same package management as debian/devuan, just some different choices | 16:57 |
SuaveDandy | The amount of packages tho. Is it comparable? | 16:58 |
fsmithred | similar. Refracta tends toward smaller and simpler. It used to fit on a CD. | 16:59 |
SuaveDandy | There doesn't seem to be any minimal ISO tho. | 17:00 |
fsmithred | for refracta? | 17:01 |
SuaveDandy | Yes. | 17:01 |
fsmithred | can't remember if I updated the No-X isos | 17:01 |
SuaveDandy | Ya have those as well? | 17:01 |
fsmithred | I usually make no-X isos first | 17:02 |
fsmithred | of the testing suite | 17:02 |
fsmithred | and I did have some for beowulf, but I didn't update them | 17:02 |
fsmithred | and I did the same with ascii | 17:03 |
fsmithred | partly because I inherited the minimal-live, so I dropped a task. | 17:03 |
fsmithred | I'll probably make no-X isos for chimaera. Currently I made a minimal-with-X chimaera iso, but it's probably a little rough around the edges. | 17:04 |
SuaveDandy | The site background seems to stretch weirdly on my phone. | 17:06 |
SuaveDandy | Probably because of that 9:16 aspect ratio. | 17:06 |
fsmithred | oh, we had some problems getting that to look right. | 17:07 |
fsmithred | and I'm pretty sure we didn't test it on a phone. Sorry. | 17:07 |
SuaveDandy | That's fine. Just pointing this up FYI. | 17:07 |
fsmithred | I have to go out. bbl (in a few hours) | 17:08 |
SuaveDandy | Will the Refracta Beowulf minimal be available or should I just use Devuan minimal for now? | 17:09 |
fsmithred | use the devuan minimal | 17:14 |
mason | Stealth: If you look at the man page for it, dash is a port of NetBSD's ash. | 18:38 |
mason | Mistab - SuaveDandy seems to have left. | 18:38 |
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