libera/#devuan/ Wednesday, 2020-09-30

willowi gotta get an account to see devuan arm : (00:08
golinuxwillow: Makes it easy to manage the channel.00:19
* ShorTie Thinkz, yup, Parts: willow00:44
Wafficusquestion regarding the TTY prompt for Devuan02:28
Wafficusis there a way to customize it?02:28
Wafficuscna't find a solid way to customize the font, colors, etc02:28
buZzWafficus: what do you mean by a TTY prompt02:29
WafficusI do happen to use TMUX, but the colors between the terminal TTY prompt don't match what's present on the urxvt terminal when I boot into AwesomeWM02:29
buZztextmode console?02:29
buZzor a terminal inside X02:29
Wafficusyeah with Ctrl + Alt + F302:29
buZzah, X02:29
buZzright, X colors dont match textmode colors02:29
Wafficuswell, ideally the text mode console within Ctrl + Alt + F4, or stuff like that02:29
Wafficusah gotcha02:29
Wafficushow do I go about mucking around with fonts and colors for text mode stuff02:29
buZzthey could , but you'd have to make a full pallette for it02:30
buZztypically , nobody uses textmode console at all since the 80s02:30
Wafficuswell, I kinda want to02:30
buZzbut, there's some tools for it02:30
Wafficusjust more as a challenge to force myself to use Tmux and terminal apps02:30
buZzmy X experience is just running xterms02:30
buZzso i dont understand the need, but ok02:30
buZzthere's 'loadfont'02:31
buZzafaik you do something like loadfont < /usr/share/consolefonts/something02:31
buZzthe colors on textmode arent changeable02:31
buZzthe palette i mean02:31
buZzbut, you can edit the palette on urxvt to match, if you really want to02:32
Wafficuswell02:33
Wafficusthat's the thing02:33
buZzwhat is?02:33
WafficusIdk what's the default "terminal" that's loaded on the text mode console02:33
Wafficusif that makes sense02:33
Wafficuslike I don't even know what to look up to customize02:33
buZzgetty?02:33
Wafficusis that it?02:33
Wafficusgetty?02:33
buZzits not a terminal anyway02:33
buZzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_(Unix)02:33
buZzgetty, short for "get tty", is a Unix program running on a host computer that manages physical or virtual terminals (TTYs). When it detects a connection, it prompts for a username and runs the 'login' program to authenticate the user.02:34
Wafficusah gotcha02:37
Wafficusso its not even the real terminal in the truest sense02:37
Wafficusgotcha02:37
Wafficushmm02:37
buZzwell, its a truer terminal02:37
gnarfacethere haven't been real terminals for decades02:37
buZzxterm/rxvt is called a 'terminal emulator'02:37
Wafficusright, I get that02:37
WafficusI'm just wondering if I should then try doing Devuan min install, and just see if I can rice that02:38
gnarfaceyes02:38
Wafficusbut without X02:38
gnarfaceyou should, as a good exercise02:38
buZzi dont see a point to avoid X , really02:38
Wafficuseh, just a fun little thing02:38
WafficusI mostly use stuff in Tmux02:38
WafficusNewsboat, Neomutt, Ranger, Transmission, w3m, etc02:39
buZzmplayer -vo caca analporn.mp402:39
buZz:)02:39
Wafficusso I don't really need a true GUI browser02:39
Wafficuslol yeah I forgot02:39
Wafficusyou can do mplayer with caca right in a terminal to view videos right?02:39
buZzhasciicam02:39
buZzthats by one of the founders of devuan :D02:39
gnarfaceuse one of the netinstall isos, pick expert mode, and when you get to the tasksel step, uncheck everything but "standard system utilities"02:39
buZzyes, mplayer is a media player02:39
buZzincl video02:39
Wafficuswow that worked02:41
Wafficusmpv -vo caca (name of video)02:41
Wafficuseven in terminal02:41
Wafficusnow THAT is cool02:41
buZzyes , its been working for >10 years02:42
buZzactually, probably for ~15 years now02:42
WafficusbuZz: hmm, tell me more cool stuff like that02:42
buZzcmatrix?02:43
WafficusI ask because its the small things that blow my mind dude02:43
buZzmtr?02:43
buZzcacafire?02:43
buZzbb? <- the demo included with libaa02:43
Wafficusyeah I know cmatrix02:43
gnarfaceWafficus: did you know you can run X programs on a server that doesn't have X?02:43
WafficusI've heard of this gnarface02:43
buZzWafficus: check youtube for 'TMDC' videos ;)02:43
buZztextmode demo compo02:43
Wafficusyeah I've seen cacafire too02:43
gnarfaceWafficus: ssh forwarding is great02:43
buZzi dont think many TMDC releases ever made it to linux , sadly02:45
buZzWafficus: dosbox works in terminal aswell, i think? or maybe only on fbdev02:45
Wafficusoh wow, now tHAT i didn't know02:45
Wafficusin terms of DOS box02:45
Wafficuscan't you run like X in a terminal just for a single frame02:46
gnarfacei think it works in a terminal, i had some weird issue with it but i forget02:46
Wafficushard to explain02:46
buZzWafficus: well, somewhat02:46
gnarfaceyou're probably thinking of ssh forwarding there, Wafficus02:46
buZzsome terminals can do graphics aswell02:46
buZzWafficus: check out http://brow.sh/ aswell :D02:47
gnarfacethen there's some stuff like xnest where you can literally run X in a window in X02:47
buZzBrowsh is a fully-modern text-based browser. It renders anything that a modern browser can; HTML5, CSS3, JS, video and even WebGL.02:47
gnarface(though usually when you see that happening it's qemu not xnest)02:47
buZzWafficus: also mc is nice, if you dont know it yet02:48
Wafficusyeah Midnight Command02:49
Wafficus*Midnight Commander02:49
Wafficuseh I prefer ranger02:49
Wafficusranger is much more intuitive02:49
Wafficusplus the features are just awesome02:49
WafficusBrowsh is ok last time I used it02:49
Wafficusthis will sound dumb, but it was too blurry to be honest02:49
gnarfacemight have been an unrelated freetype font rendering setting, i'd have to see screenshots to be sure02:50
Wafficusnot necessarily the text02:50
Wafficusbut the images to be honest02:50
gnarfaceoh, then hard to say unless it was only the jpegs02:50
Wafficusthe way it renders, it just isn't too pretty,02:50
gnarfaceif it was just the jpegs they might simply be rendered low quality.  nobody does that anymore but it was more common when computers were slow02:51
gnarface(still an option in opera mobile/mini i think though)02:51
gnarfacethe first step would be to distinguish if it's doing something other programs rendered in the same x environment aren't doing02:52
gnarfacebecause there's still multiple layers of the OS to blame just based on description "it's blurry"02:52
gnarfaceanything from drivers to the fonts02:53
Wafficusgotcha02:59
Wafficusidk if you guys would know this02:59
Wafficusbut are there any terminal based ham radio programs?02:59
Wafficusit seems like the only options are GUI based aka Echolink via QTel02:59
gnarfaceoh, damn i just heard of one but i'm not a ham operator, much to my embarrassment02:59
gnarfacesomeone was in here just a couple days ago asking for help with one though02:59
gnarfacei think it might have been in the repo03:00
gnarfacehmmm, maybe it was qtel03:00
gnarfacenot sure but i thought it started with c03:01
gnarfacecf.. cm...?03:01
gnarfacenah, i lost it, sorry03:01
gnarfacei see cqrlog in the repo but that isn't ringing the right bell03:01
Wafficusgotcha03:05
stovepipeinstalled beowulf using "ventoy" usb boot image selector thing. at the very end during or after grub install, it gets an error trying to get a file from the cdrom10:25
stovepipehad to cancel, then it finished10:25
stovepipeboots ok etc10:25
stovepipeanyone know what the file was?10:25
gnarfacestovepipe: probably nothing you can't get from the repo.  make sure the cdrom isn't in your /etc/apt/sources.list still10:45
stovepipethe way ventoy deals with the iso is funny, somethings dont like it10:46
stovepipegnarface: heh but the question was, what was the file10:47
stovepipeit didnt say10:47
gnarfacestovepipe: i have no idea and i'm not familiar with ventoy either, and would recommend against using unofficial installer images and/or tools, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility that it was just looking for something optional the user might have manually added... there should be a log somewhere of the install, if it missed a package due to a repo error it would say10:50
stovepipeheh10:50
stovepipelife's an adventure!10:50
gnarfacestovepipe: but it also probably would iron itself out if you just "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" after fixing your /etc/apt/sources.list10:51
stovepipeit was after the install is completed, and right after grub-install10:51
gnarfaceweird, i dunno though10:51
stovepipeboth heads and tails hate ventoy, wont even boot10:52
stovepipeknoppix has no problem10:52
stovepipekali livecd also works10:52
stovepipeiirc freebsd hates it too10:52
stovepipeits a nice tool though when it works10:52
xinomiloventoy works fine for multiboot usb..10:52
gnarfacewhat exactly is ventoy, and do you really need it? it might be worth trying the install without it if you actually care to find out what happened10:52
stovepipeit allows you to hold a pile of boot media on a usb and select them from a menu to boot10:53
gnarfacehmmm10:53
stovepipetheres nothing critical happening here, i dont care that much10:53
stovepipejust wondered if anyone knew what that dangling file might have been10:53
stovepipemy ventoy might also be old, theyre worjking on fixing a lot fo that stuff10:54
gnarfacei would assume it's just a bug on the beowulf image version you used, especially if it was an older download10:55
stovepipeheh no10:55
stovepipeits obviously the same ventoy thing that other things also hate10:55
gnarfacecorruptions of the install contents that corrupt individual packages without breaking the entire installer are rare but possible10:55
stovepipethe way it presents the cdrom image to whatever is running10:55
stovepipeit went looking for the local cdrom in the place it expects to find it, and it aint there10:56
stovepipetahts a ventoy issue10:56
a1DHey, is anyone else have issues with packages.roundr.devuan.org? It resolves to singel IP and reponds 1 time in 10 ...15:35
fsmithreda1D, that repo is disabled. Use deb.devuan.org15:40
a1DI don'thave it in sources, just deb.* lines, I guess one of the repos still point to it15:41
fsmithredcheck in sources.list.d/ too15:43
user1041add-apt-repository not work in Devuan? After install sudo apt-get install software-properties-common = Error: could not find a distribution template for Debian/beowulf15:43
fsmithredauto.mirror.devuan.org is gone15:43
xinomiloyou must have it in sources, it's not in RR deb.devuan.org15:43
a1Dfound it, thanks - beowulf-security were pointing to auto.mirror...15:43
fsmithreduser1041, maybe. I've never tried add-apt-repository15:44
xinomiloif the repository you try to add doesn't support your release , then add-apt-repository will not work15:54
fsmithredwhere does add-apt-repository come from? I don't see it in the devuan repo.15:54
xinomilosoftware-properties-common15:55
brocashelmit's a ppa/ubuntu thing15:55
xinomilomostly ubuntu stuff i think15:55
fsmithredso, probably better to stay away from it15:55
xinomilo:)15:55
fsmithredI read the man page, and it doesn't seem any easier than editing source.list manually15:55
brocashelmstay away from it like you would stay away from a covid hotspot15:56
brocashelmsources.list file should be simple enough. maybe you could try synaptic if you like gooey15:57
fsmithredyeah, I think there's a way to add repos in synaptic. Been a long time since I've used it.15:58
brocashelmsynaptic > settings > repositories15:58
brocashelmyou can check and uncheck them at will15:59
heterochromia420hello, i'm here to ask a question regarding zram on devuan: is it possible to use it on openRC?17:18
heterochromia420so far my attempts to get it to work weren't successful so idk if i'm doing something wrong, or they just don't work17:19
heterochromia420*or it just doesn't work17:20
brocashelmi wish i could remove "insert emoji" from my system17:21
fsmithredheterochromia420, did you see this?  https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=273217:48
heterochromia420i did not, giving it a look17:48
heterochromia420though it's not very useful, since it has no guide for openRC, only for sysvinit17:50
fsmithredsomeone asked about zram with openrc back in june17:53
fsmithredThis link was suggested along with "create conf.d yourself" https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/OpenRC17:53
heterochromia420...great.17:54
fsmithredoh, that would have been June of a few years ago17:54
heterochromia420*sigh* y'know what, fuck it. i'm just not gonna have swap of any kind. i'm not creating a conf.d myself just for zswap17:55
fsmithred250mb swapfile FTW17:55
fsmithredyou might actually use 60-80mb17:56
fsmithredheterochromia420, debian wiki makes it sound easy17:58
fsmithredcopy the sysvinit script...17:59
fsmithredI think that should work. openrc in devuan uses sysvinit scripts17:59
fsmithredassuming you're running beowulf, not ascii18:00
rennjyou got rc.local dont you18:00
rennjmodprobe zram18:00
rennjecho 419430400 > /sys/block/zram0/disksize18:00
rennjmkswap /dev/zram0  > /dev/null 2>&118:00
rennjswapon /dev/zram0 -p 10  > /dev/null 2>&118:00
rennjput that in rc.local and you got zram swap on boot18:00
rennjreal hard18:00
rennjif you want sysV init S99 K99 with link to init.d then whatever18:00
fsmithredis any of that in /etc/default/zram?18:00
rennjfigure out your crappy init18:01
masonIt's a lovely init.18:33
ShorTiehmmm, echo q | sysv-rc-conf18:37
rennjinit freedom the best init18:37
rennjhttps://www.devuan.org/os/init-freedom18:38
ShorTiewould that rebuild all my symlinks if i go in and change up some Defualts with sed ??18:38
rennjhttps://www.troublenow.org/752/debian-10-add-rc-local/ haha18:46
masonrennj: That article is maybe a little confused. It's unclear why they're adding a custom service when rc-local.service is already shipped in Debian, in Ubuntu, in RHEL.18:52
rennjhttps://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/replacing-rclocal-systemd18:56
rennjrc.local is obsolete. The man page for systemd-rc-local-generator states, “Support for /etc/rc.local is provided for compatibility with specific System V systems only.18:56
rennjany sysVinit system support it18:57
masonObsolete? It's useful. I still use it.18:57
rennjyeah cause your on sysvinit18:57
rennjlike systemd soon xorg gets the boot18:58
masonI use it everywhere I need it.18:58
rennjwhere you going to be then..wayland land18:58
brocashelmyup, gnome+poettering is the future of "floss". get with the times, gramps!19:24
DPAI'm only 24...19:27
DonkeyHoteitheir floss is our pain19:28
rennji have backups older than you19:32
buZzi'm convinced poettyfoid will just get hired by microsnot eventually19:34
grin[m]1<rennj "i have backups older than you"> in fact I really do. I have some from 1991.19:34
buZz:)19:34
rennj8mm 4mm dds ait dlt lto its all older19:34
buZzi got some dlt3 tapes with the full dreamcast release archive19:35
buZzofficial scene releases too19:35
rennjhttps://pasteboard.co/JkIQb7D.png consoles19:35
grin[m]1it's not backup tho19:35
rennjneogeo turbo graphix19:35
buZzrennj: lol, wtf19:36
buZzwhy arent you running those native19:36
rennjn54 snes neogeo turbo genesis in 1 vm19:36
rennjn6419:36
buZzvmware to run a foss emulator is like filling your pool with syrup19:36
rennjvmware to run winblows10 so i can emulate the console19:37
buZzno19:37
rennjoh yes19:37
rennjhttps://pasteboard.co/IH3MYqo.png DeadCell19:37
buZzvmware to run win10 so you can NOT LEARN TO RUN A EMULATOR NATIVE19:37
buZzthats what you have19:37
grin[m]1<rennj "echo 419430400 > /sys/block/zram"> why not zramctl19:37
buZza dumbing down emulator19:37
rennjdo ihttps://pasteboard.co/IwuAPBu.png ?19:37
grin[m]1btw I may have missed the wayland discussion, so I have a question: can wayland now be used without gnome and systemd?19:38
rennjaccess to what i want buZz19:38
buZzrennj: yes, you do19:38
grin[m]1and I do mean *used*, not just "see whether it can actually generate a black screen with a white xterm"19:38
buZzrunning winderp just to run a emulator THATS ALREADY FOSS AND IN DEBIAN is just idiotic19:38
rennjvmware player is free for non commercial use19:39
* buZz applauds19:39
buZzrennj: rape is also free19:39
buZzdoesnt make it wanted19:39
rennji was running amd closed source fglrx driver up to like 201919:39
rennjamdgpu and mesa finally working end of 201919:39
grin[m]1<buZz "rennj: rape is also free"> oh, here you actually get jail time19:40
rennjsave the opensauce/freesoftware speech19:40
grin[m]1to backup.19:40
grin[m]1why do I feel like the irc-matrix gateway is lagged 10+ seconds?19:40
grin[m]1btw that was a real ugly desktop theme19:41
buZzgrin[m]1: jail time is also free19:41
buZzinfact, its net positive19:41
rennjvmware workstation/player 16 now does even more videoram..8GB vram for gaming19:41
buZzhere jailtime means you get a guaranteed income19:41
grin[m]1buZz: well, not here19:41
rennjvmware 15 player i got maxes at 3GB19:41
grin[m]1you pay for everything19:41
buZzok, you're welcome to come move to netherlands :D19:41
grin[m]1so I can rape for free in netherworld?19:42
brocashelmdevuan could use more international representation :)19:42
buZzour jails even allow playstations19:42
grin[m]1i mean nether land19:42
buZzgrin[m]1: oh, i ment -receiving- rape19:42
grin[m]1but I guess rape also free for inmates so umm19:42
grin[m]1haha19:42
buZz:)19:42
grin[m]1got your drift.19:42
buZztokyo19:42
grin[m]1so wayland w/o gnome and systemd?19:43
grin[m]1of do you want to keep the rape topic?19:43
grin[m]1s/of/or/19:43
rennjhey that bios isnt free..stop everything19:46
buZzseabios?19:47
buZzgrin[m]1: i'm running xorg with fluxbox19:47
rennjheh vmware made buck running other peoples systems..i run windows10 gaming vm, rather install that mess on baremetal19:47
rennjdmidecode and guid and uuid and such being what they are19:47
buZzsteam on devuan works 100% fine19:47
buZzproton etc19:47
rennji dont use steam19:47
rennjthat vm .has no nic connection19:47
buZzruns like a rocket19:47
rennjlook again19:48
rennjhttps://pasteboard.co/JttsDyL.png thats stand alone even19:48
rennjsays steam..but its not connected19:48
buZzso steam that you arent using, you use19:48
rennji dont use steam..just cause their game says on pause screen19:49
buZzriiiight19:50
rennjhttps://pasteboard.co/JtvCDw4.png no connection19:52
rennji dont have steam19:52
golinuxThis is getting really OT.  Maybe take it to a more appropriate channel . . .19:53
rennjhard to believe people play offline console and games i know19:54
golinuxPlease take it to #devuan-offtopic19:57

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