Devious | You better kick all the neonazis from this group. freenode admins have been notified | 02:59 |
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syco- | omg :/ | 03:07 |
mason | syco-: That's todays' troll. Safe to ignore. | 03:08 |
gnarface | just follwed up with him in private. he doesn't seem to have any basis for his allegations. | 03:09 |
syco- | just thought friday was trollday | 03:09 |
fsmithred | same IP as yesterday, different name | 03:10 |
gnarface | don't get me wrong, if there's neo nazis trolling here i'd want them banned immediately, but the last one i remember seeing was blap, and he was indeed eventually banned freenode-wide. | 03:11 |
gnarface | that was over a year ago i think | 03:11 |
gnarface | wasn't it? | 03:11 |
gnarface | and he certainly wasn't just piggy-backing off #devuan, he was spamming nearly every channel i was in | 03:11 |
fsmithred | the guy who came in here yesterday linked to a paste of a discussion he had with someone in another irc channel. | 03:13 |
fsmithred | That other person has a blog and certainly looks like a nazi. | 03:13 |
syco- | i read that "discussion" .. was kind of childish | 03:15 |
* tuxd3v kill -9 nazi | 03:16 | |
Xenguy | https://www.gq.com/story/punks-and-nazis-oral-history | 03:16 |
rtn0 | _/wc | 14:42 |
corey1 | Hello, everyone. I am a bit confused by a couple things related to Devuan. (1) Are the repositories identical to Debian repositories *except* systemd-related things? (2) Do most things install and work in Devuan the same way as in mainline Debian, e.g. packages built from source code from a git repository? (I am not a developer and new to these sorts of things.) | 17:16 |
onefang | Most of the Devuan package mirrors redirect things to Debian package mirrors, except those few things that are Devuan specific. | 17:17 |
buZz | corey1: some packages from debian depended too hard on systemd and are removed | 17:39 |
buZz | others depended hard on systemd but could be adjusted to not do that | 17:39 |
buZz | 2) yes | 17:39 |
corey1 | Great. Thanks for the answers, folks. The next time that I need to do an installation, I will try Devuan. Also, I might as well fire up a VM to test it before then, too. Good work around here, it looks like. This should be the real Debian: is that the end goal? | 18:02 |
fsmithred | debian without systemd is the stated goal | 18:07 |
SuaveDandy | Guys. How do you prefer naming BtrFS subvolumes? | 19:36 |
SuaveDandy | And are there any instructions on installing Devuan with the bootloader on ESP? | 19:50 |
fsmithred | what instructions do you need? | 19:50 |
fsmithred | or better question: How are you installing? | 19:50 |
SuaveDandy | Refracta installer. | 19:51 |
SuaveDandy | You said I don't need a boot partition. | 19:51 |
fsmithred | you need to have a suitable esp partition | 19:52 |
SuaveDandy | Sorry, I took a long break. | 19:52 |
fsmithred | installer will see it and as you to select it, I think. | 19:52 |
SuaveDandy | Wanted to finish all that but got off track a bit. | 19:52 |
SuaveDandy | Will it really? | 19:53 |
fsmithred | or if you're doing stuff manually in chroot, just 'grub-install' will work | 19:53 |
SuaveDandy | What size does ESP need to bex | 19:53 |
fsmithred | it will see the efi partition and use it | 19:53 |
fsmithred | at least 64mb is safe. I usually use 200mb. | 19:53 |
SuaveDandy | What about LUKS? | 19:54 |
fsmithred | can't encrypt the esp | 19:54 |
SuaveDandy | I mean, the LUKS root partition. | 19:54 |
fsmithred | what about it? | 19:54 |
SuaveDandy | Do I need to make any manual tinkering or… | 19:54 |
fsmithred | with btrfs? | 19:55 |
SuaveDandy | I mean, the standard installer can only install root LUKS with the boot partition. | 19:55 |
SuaveDandy | Does Refracta fix it? | 19:55 |
fsmithred | refractainstaller is ok with including /boot in the encrypted root partition | 19:55 |
SuaveDandy | Ah. | 19:55 |
fsmithred | and you get a choice of ext2/3/4 for the encrypted filesystem | 19:56 |
fsmithred | so if you want something else, that's more manual fiddling | 19:56 |
fsmithred | give me a hint | 19:57 |
SuaveDandy | The only question is if you can actually make BtrFS work with everything. | 19:57 |
SuaveDandy | Wanted to use your installer, obviously. | 19:57 |
SuaveDandy | Quick and dirty. | 19:58 |
fsmithred | yeah, I've done it, the discussions about it are on the forum. I don't recall if it was done with encryption or not. | 19:58 |
fsmithred | I assume you would have to do that manually and not let the installer format any partitions. | 19:58 |
SuaveDandy | I see it. | 19:59 |
SuaveDandy | But does that instruction work with your installer? | 19:59 |
fsmithred | set config file for no_format | 19:59 |
fsmithred | the part about my installer in there is about my installer and the part about debian installer is about that. | 19:59 |
fsmithred | who else was in taht discussion? specing? | 20:00 |
SuaveDandy | https://is.gd/jkJPge | 20:00 |
SuaveDandy | That should be the one. | 20:00 |
specing | I have a btrfs howto on devuan galaxy | 20:00 |
specing | I think | 20:00 |
fsmithred | there's another thread that I'm in | 20:01 |
fsmithred | I'll find the link | 20:01 |
SuaveDandy | specing: You answered to that thread. | 20:01 |
SuaveDandy | Is that your how-to? | 20:01 |
specing | probably | 20:02 |
fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3258 | 20:02 |
SuaveDandy | "[solved] install to existing encrypted Btrfs subvolumes" | 20:02 |
SuaveDandy | For some reason, I cannot open that link, fsmithred. | 20:03 |
fsmithred | the last post in the link I provided is a summary | 20:04 |
SuaveDandy | "This site can't ensure the secure connection." | 20:05 |
fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=19578#p19578 | 20:05 |
fsmithred | that's probably not any better | 20:05 |
SuaveDandy | Now that's downright weird. | 20:05 |
SuaveDandy | It isn't. | 20:06 |
fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3258 | 20:06 |
fsmithred | fuck | 20:06 |
SuaveDandy | Maybe something's wrong with my connection. | 20:07 |
SuaveDandy | I'm using VPN. | 20:07 |
SuaveDandy | It worked before. | 20:07 |
fsmithred | go to the Installation section of the forum, page 5 and scroll down to Jan 20 | 20:07 |
SuaveDandy | Now it isn't working anymore. | 20:07 |
SuaveDandy | For some unexplicable reason I got blocked both with and without VPN. | 20:08 |
SuaveDandy | And I have no clue why. | 20:08 |
fsmithred | what error you getting? | 20:09 |
SuaveDandy | "This site can't ensure the secure connection." | 20:09 |
SuaveDandy | Let me try reconnecting. | 20:10 |
fsmithred | yeah, that's weird. | 20:10 |
hagbard_ | Random hint: If electron apps (e.g. Discord) keep crashing, it's due to a buggy/outdated version of libappindicator. | 21:02 |
hagbard_ | There's a patch in the debian bugtracker since 5 months, which fixes the library. | 21:03 |
hagbard_ | ...but for whonowswhat reasons, debian just isn't uploading the fixed version. This way the broken lib also ends up in devuan. | 21:04 |
hagbard_ | Does anyone use/know gnu-mailutils (i.e. "mail")? | 21:05 |
hagbard_ | It just ate through my Maildir of mails of more than a decade... | 21:06 |
hagbard_ | Instead of reading files from "new", and moving them to "cur" afterwards, it takes them from "cur" and then straight out deletes them. Dubbleyoo-teeeh-eff | 21:08 |
stiltr | Yikes! Hopefully you've got a backup. If not, you can always give testdisk a try. | 21:09 |
hagbard_ | no worries, had a recent bacup | 21:11 |
hagbard_ | +k | 21:11 |
hagbard_ | but that was still a bit of surprise | 21:11 |
stiltr | Glad to hear it. Yeah, I certainly wouldn't have expected that either. | 21:12 |
hagbard_ | Next thing I'm trying to do is moving my encrypted /boot partition from luks1 to luks2. grub seems to support that by now, but appearently update-grup or things belonging to/called by/read by it don't yet. | 21:16 |
stiltr | Oh that's strange. | 21:18 |
mason | hagbard_: I don't think luks2 works out of the box. | 21:23 |
hagbard_ | that's what i noticed. | 21:23 |
suavedandy | Check-check-check. | 21:24 |
suavedandy | Is it working? | 21:24 |
suavedandy | Can anybody see me? | 21:24 |
mason | suavedandy: Are you there? I see something in the distance. | 21:25 |
suavedandy | THANK GOD. | 21:25 |
suavedandy | That AndroIRC client is ass. | 21:25 |
suavedandy | Got another one. | 21:25 |
suavedandy | IRCCloud. | 21:26 |
suavedandy | Ever heard of it? | 21:26 |
mason | Ah, I can't even imagine IRCing from my phone. I hate typing on it. | 21:26 |
hagbard_ | hexchat works fine in devuan | 21:26 |
suavedandy | I use MessagEase for typing. Works great. | 21:26 |
suavedandy | Other than that their emoji list is freaking broken. | 21:27 |
suavedandy | But the layout is actually type-friendly. Love it. | 21:27 |
suavedandy | Glad that I'm not banned from Freenode anymore. It was a nightmare. | 21:28 |
suavedandy | Oh, it's very late. Better go get some sleep. | 21:33 |
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