fling | What packages to install for mailcap in mutt to turn everything into text? | 02:54 |
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gnarface | dunno fling, but fyi "apt-cache search" accepts regexp patterns for a search parameter | 02:56 |
fling | gnarface: I know no names :D | 03:01 |
gnarface | yea, but you might get lucky guessing at partial names or dependency matches (it searches package headers, too) | 03:03 |
fling | I have no idea what to look for | 03:07 |
gnarface | "mutt" and "text" and ... "plugin" ? i dunno | 03:07 |
gnarface | mailcap? | 03:07 |
Xenguy | "I rode through the desert on a horse with no name, it felt good to be out of the rain" | 03:59 |
unixbsd | how to force xrdb to refresh the .Xresource on running X11 desktop? (desktop flde fork and evilwm) | 04:01 |
* tuxd3v Xenguy...desert is hot like hell during the day, but very cold at night.. how does you felt during the day, and night? | 04:02 | |
tuxd3v | unixbsd, what is flde? | 04:04 |
mason | fling: text/html; elinks -dump -dump-charset iso-8859-15 -localhost 1 -no-connect 1 -default-mime-type text/html %s; needsterminal; copiousoutput; | 04:06 |
mason | fling: But you can use other text-mode browsers. This is the highest quality output thus far, and I've also tried w3m and lynx. | 04:07 |
mason | fling: https://bpa.st/O6MA | 04:09 |
unixbsd | similar to ede | 04:18 |
unixbsd | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDE_(desktop_environment) | 04:18 |
tuxd3v | this ede: https://edeproject.org/ ? | 04:19 |
tuxd3v | its a nice project | 04:19 |
tuxd3v | I never managed to build ede, I had a dream for it.. | 04:20 |
tuxd3v | for armhf, and arm64, but never materialized :( | 04:20 |
Xenguy | tuxd3v: It's just some song lyrics, probably not intended to be taken literally | 04:20 |
unixbsd | tuxd3v : fltk is easy to use and nicely fast. example: https://termbin.com/syxm (for fluid). | 04:21 |
unixbsd | tuxd3v: cd ; wget https://mirrors.mediatemple.net/debian-archive/debian/pool/main/k/kde-icons-nuvola/kde-icons-nuvola_1.0.0.orig.tar.gz ; g++ -lm -I"/usr/X11R7/include/" -I"/usr/pkg/include" -I /usr/pkg/include/ -L"/usr/pkg/lib" -L/usr/X11R7/lib -lX11 -I /usr/X11R7/include/ -lfltk source/fltk/kicker.cxx -o source/bin/kicker | 04:22 |
tuxd3v | unixbsd, what is that? | 04:24 |
tuxd3v | what is kicker | 04:24 |
tuxd3v | A panel? | 04:26 |
tuxd3v | probably a launcher | 04:26 |
unixbsd | tuxd3v: ah,... this is the full desktop suite based on fltk: https://i.postimg.cc/6pZq4Sxc/fltk-desktop.png | 04:28 |
tuxd3v | that is the flde? | 04:33 |
tuxd3v | it should consume very few resources! | 04:33 |
unixbsd | a sort of suckless spirit one... a fork with no automake insanity | 04:33 |
tuxd3v | sunshavi, hello | 04:34 |
tuxd3v | flde is a fork of what desktop environment? | 04:35 |
sunshavi | tuxd3v: hi | 04:35 |
tuxd3v | sunshavi, how are you? :) | 04:36 |
unixbsd | yeah, just try to " fluid kicker.fld" and export to .cxx and you get your panel out of the box. nothign else than libfltk-dev and g++ | 04:36 |
sunshavi | fine. and well. Thanks for asking | 04:36 |
tuxd3v | sunshavi, on this days, that is a very good thing( taking into account the world situation) :) | 04:38 |
tuxd3v | unixbsd, some time agoI tried to build EDE desktop, but I failed in the process, I don't recal now were, but I think fltk, is a nice toolkit | 04:39 |
unixbsd | It is better to make it yourself and to fork it. | 04:40 |
sunshavi | yes. it is. how about you? | 04:40 |
tuxd3v | sunshavi, I am also fine and well, at least for now, but situation here is starting to become chaotic | 04:41 |
unixbsd | here another example. fxrun.fld https://termbin.com/t68k # | 04:41 |
sunshavi | tuxd3v: caotic. in what aspect? | 04:44 |
tuxd3v | sunshavi, I mean about the covid plague | 04:45 |
tuxd3v | here we will probably will go into complete lockdown.. | 04:45 |
syco- | welcome to this world | 04:45 |
tuxd3v | again.. | 04:45 |
tuxd3v | syco-, yeah | 04:46 |
unixbsd | tuxd3v: which country? | 04:46 |
tuxd3v | Portugal | 04:46 |
unixbsd | oh man | 04:46 |
tuxd3v | Europe is full of it.. | 04:46 |
syco- | same is happening everywhere in europe | 04:46 |
sunshavi | near fatima? | 04:46 |
tuxd3v | sunshavi, do you know Fatima? | 04:47 |
tuxd3v | I am in the Big City | 04:47 |
unixbsd | me, I only know Alera, the superbe saucisses with meat and bread, just magic | 04:47 |
tuxd3v | but yeah, Fatima is nice | 04:47 |
sunshavi | i have not been there. But a couple of friends of me have been | 04:48 |
tuxd3v | sunshavi, it has a big Sanctuary | 04:48 |
tuxd3v | its a very visited place | 04:49 |
sunshavi | sure. perhaps my future self will go there | 04:49 |
tuxd3v | sunshavi, do you own a RockPro64? | 04:53 |
tuxd3v | I have been thinking bout changing something in the driver that drives the fan | 04:53 |
tuxd3v | I don't know why but it only works with pwm values >= 251 | 04:54 |
tuxd3v | it should work with any value [ 0 - 255 ] | 04:55 |
tuxd3v | its the pwm-fan driver.. | 04:56 |
sunshavi | tuxd3v: just allwinner arm32 | 04:57 |
tuxd3v | drivers/hwmon/pwm-fan.c | 04:57 |
tuxd3v | I am thinking in aquiring another sbc board :) | 04:58 |
sunshavi | 64 bits sounds fine | 04:58 |
tuxd3v | I am a bit undecided which one | 04:58 |
sunshavi | great news. rk3399? | 04:58 |
tuxd3v | maybe rk3399, or amlogic this time, maybe | 04:59 |
tuxd3v | I already own a Rockpi4 and... my rockpro64 failled, it has a short circuit :( | 04:59 |
tuxd3v | I loved that board | 04:59 |
sunshavi | for my use case memory is the key factor for deciding | 05:00 |
tuxd3v | I suspect that my cat is involved in that incident, one day when I got home, the board was almost catching a fire | 05:00 |
tuxd3v | very hot | 05:00 |
sunshavi | mmm. that was not good. | 05:01 |
sunshavi | what happens when you power it? | 05:01 |
tuxd3v | I made some tests on it, and its a short circuit, but pine64 doesn't have the components labeled in the board, so I don't know how to follow the shcematics | 05:01 |
tuxd3v | some regulators starts to heat up until burning the fingers, I have to turn the power off almosty imediatly | 05:02 |
sunshavi | ok | 05:02 |
tuxd3v | also the PCB gets very very hot | 05:02 |
tuxd3v | on some regions | 05:02 |
sunshavi | do u use uSD? | 05:02 |
tuxd3v | No I was using emmc on it | 05:03 |
tuxd3v | a 32GB | 05:03 |
sunshavi | it was soldered? | 05:03 |
tuxd3v | no it has a conector | 05:03 |
tuxd3v | I can salvage it | 05:03 |
sunshavi | nice. data is fine | 05:04 |
tuxd3v | if it is compatible with others.. | 05:04 |
tuxd3v | yeah data should be fine | 05:04 |
sunshavi | mines r opi+2e. 2 gb is not enough, after 7 firefox tabs memory lags | 05:05 |
tuxd3v | unixbsd, seems good! | 05:06 |
sunshavi | without hdmi 40 degres. with hdmi plugged 50 degress | 05:07 |
sunshavi | with firefox 58 degress | 05:07 |
sunshavi | with mpv and all its cores 68 degress | 05:07 |
tuxd3v | sunshavi, I wanted a board with good performance, and also with lots of expandable options, but we know that in ARM world sbc's is the most cheap ones... nice ARM board costs a arm, and a leg , both | 05:08 |
tuxd3v | you run mpv fine on it? | 05:08 |
sunshavi | unixbsd: which bsd? | 05:08 |
sunshavi | yes. mpv runs fine on it | 05:08 |
tuxd3v | you have 16GB emmc on board | 05:10 |
sunshavi | actually. i have an ssd on one of them. and performance has improved | 05:11 |
sunshavi | yes 16 is not enough. when you have firefox libre-office gimp | 05:11 |
sunshavi | java | 05:12 |
sunshavi | lazarus | 05:12 |
tuxd3v | yeah, its true | 05:12 |
tuxd3v | I wanted one board with a amlogic A311D, its a fine cpu | 05:13 |
tuxd3v | but the only thing that appears is khadas ViM3 | 05:14 |
tuxd3v | I don't like it, and the price is very high | 05:14 |
tuxd3v | the rk3399 rockpi4 is a very good option, but has less performance than A311D, almost half | 05:14 |
tuxd3v | but has good opensource support | 05:15 |
tuxd3v | I own one but only 1GB Ram :/ | 05:15 |
sunshavi | so ssd comes in handy. i use uSD just 4 booting SSD | 05:15 |
sunshavi | memory is the key for me | 05:16 |
tuxd3v | yeah memory is indeed the key :) | 05:16 |
tuxd3v | but I like performance too | 05:17 |
tuxd3v | the rockpi4 has an aceptable performance, clocked at 2Ghz( but it consumes a bit of power ) | 05:18 |
sunshavi | yeah. but opi+2e is good enough for my use case. so whatever is out there has more performance than my actual SBC | 05:18 |
sunshavi | your rockpi4 has a fan? | 05:19 |
tuxd3v | I was messing some days Ago with a Olinuxino Lime2, and I was able to browse the web with a Allwiner A20 cpu | 05:20 |
tuxd3v | not fast, but it was kinda usable, I got impressed with the performance for the A20 | 05:20 |
sunshavi | i have an a10 | 05:20 |
tuxd3v | no one of the problems of the RockPi4 is the lack of a fan, and I say that because cpu gets really warm,easily can hit the 80C, and start throttling | 05:21 |
tuxd3v | so I just got a 5v pi-fan, abolve the cpu coller | 05:21 |
tuxd3v | coller -> cooler | 05:22 |
sunshavi | ok. what r u going to use it for? | 05:22 |
tuxd3v | but mine only has 1GB of Ram, it starts to starve very soon | 05:22 |
tuxd3v | my Idea was to use it as a VPN server | 05:23 |
sunshavi | 2GB is the minimum acceptable | 05:23 |
sunshavi | headless then | 05:23 |
tuxd3v | yeah headless | 05:23 |
tuxd3v | for Wireguard vpn | 05:23 |
tuxd3v | I am still to build a vpn with it | 05:24 |
tuxd3v | it come in the Linux kernel >=5.6 | 05:24 |
tuxd3v | true 2GB is the minimum, for something aceptable | 05:25 |
sunshavi | nice. i have an a10 and h3 with 1 gb mem. nad there i can just compile with one thread | 05:25 |
tuxd3v | that is a situation were memory is important | 05:26 |
sunshavi | do u have an SBC with two or more GB memory? | 05:26 |
tuxd3v | only my broken RockPro64 :/ | 05:27 |
tuxd3v | that is why I am searching to buy one new sbc | 05:27 |
sunshavi | :( | 05:27 |
tuxd3v | yeah | 05:27 |
sunshavi | if i go 64 bits i would need a couple of SBC's. one as workstation and the other one just for compiling packages | 05:29 |
tuxd3v | yeah 64 bits, consumes a bit more memory | 05:30 |
sunshavi | if i would have to decide. memory outweighs processor power. But YMMV | 05:31 |
tuxd3v | that is true | 05:31 |
tuxd3v | I like a lot of my Orangepi One plus, with its h6, but that board is very tinny, and also only has 1gb Ram | 05:32 |
sunshavi | does it have a fan? | 05:33 |
tuxd3v | by default it doesn't, I also put a heat sink on it, and a 5v fan on top, connected via gpio | 05:34 |
tuxd3v | I am trying to build a pwm enabled one with this: | 05:34 |
tuxd3v | https://github.com/tuxd3v/pwm_driver | 05:34 |
tuxd3v | its only a driver for a pwm via gpio | 05:34 |
tuxd3v | the one plus was the board that I initially tough to be the wireguard VPN, but later aquired a Rockpi4 | 05:36 |
tuxd3v | the rockPi4 has more cpu power, and a vpn needs it.. | 05:37 |
tuxd3v | but I don't know if 1GB is enough | 05:37 |
tuxd3v | 1GB Ram | 05:37 |
tuxd3v | WireGuard is told to have low resources in mind | 05:38 |
tuxd3v | but I never tested it before.. | 05:38 |
tuxd3v | the Idea is to have my home devices availlable when I am outside home :) | 05:39 |
sunshavi | now that ur rockpi4 is gone perhaps You would give the h6 a chance | 05:39 |
sunshavi | that would be cool | 05:39 |
sunshavi | having ur devices available when outside | 05:40 |
tuxd3v | yeah the One Plus, has DVFS since kernel 5.8 :) | 05:41 |
tuxd3v | it is running at 1.8Ghz :) | 05:41 |
tuxd3v | it starts to be well supported | 05:41 |
sunshavi | and also the pcie has a patch | 05:42 |
tuxd3v | I saw that, some 6 months or less ago, someone started to work on it :) | 05:42 |
tuxd3v | I never tested it | 05:43 |
tuxd3v | I don't know if the H6 will be enough for a VPN like Wireguard, what do you think? | 05:43 |
sunshavi | just try it and report back. there is nothing to lose | 05:44 |
tuxd3v | yeah, that is true | 05:44 |
tuxd3v | I just started to read the documentation about wireguard | 05:45 |
tuxd3v | and it seems to be very easy | 05:45 |
tuxd3v | a very simple vpn | 05:45 |
tuxd3v | like the ssh protocol, easy | 05:45 |
tuxd3v | but there are yet a lot to read about it.. | 05:45 |
tuxd3v | they made it thinking in mobile devices like mobile phones and such | 05:46 |
sunshavi | yeah. i remember tolvards talking about it | 05:46 |
tuxd3v | sunshavi, does you ever built panfrost, or Lima driver before, and used it? | 05:50 |
tuxd3v | I built panfrost, but have yet to manage to use it | 05:51 |
sunshavi | i am using lima | 05:51 |
tuxd3v | with x11? | 05:51 |
sunshavi | but panfrost has more support now | 05:52 |
sunshavi | yes with X | 05:52 |
tuxd3v | how to you managed to get it to work :) | 05:52 |
tuxd3v | ? | 05:52 |
tuxd3v | how is your xorg.conf | 05:52 |
sunshavi | lima come out with mesa19 | 05:53 |
sunshavi | when i need stability i disable glamor | 05:54 |
tuxd3v | yes, but how do you call it from xorg.conf | 05:54 |
sunshavi | but most of the time glamor is enabled | 05:54 |
sunshavi | it is enabled by default from mesa-19. nothing needs to be done or setted-up | 05:57 |
sunshavi | but sometimes X hangs | 05:57 |
sunshavi | but when playing videos is ok | 05:57 |
tuxd3v | but you need to compile it, and then create a xorg.conf suitable for it, at least I compiled mesa panfrost | 05:58 |
tuxd3v | and today I compiled Mesa Clover OpenCL driver :) | 05:58 |
tuxd3v | Clover in mesa 20.3 will have OpenCL v1.2 support | 05:59 |
tuxd3v | the master branch already has , but still needs to report it in printf() function | 05:59 |
sunshavi | i ran a c prg that told me lima is enabled. and also desktop is more responsive | 05:59 |
sunshavi | i have been compiling it until mesa 20.4 | 06:00 |
sunshavi | it took a lot of time and space | 06:00 |
sunshavi | i remember needing clang, meson and ninja | 06:02 |
tuxd3v | yeah it takes a lot of time, space and memory | 06:02 |
tuxd3v | yeah thats it :) | 06:02 |
tuxd3v | lots of dependencies too | 06:02 |
sunshavi | but also panfrost have been declared mre stable than lima. i chechek release notes a week ago more lines for panfrost than for lima | 06:04 |
sunshavi | tuxd3v: which one is you lunix distro? | 06:16 |
tuxd3v | I use devuan | 06:16 |
tuxd3v | and you? | 06:16 |
sunshavi | arch | 06:16 |
tuxd3v | yeah , arch is nice too :) | 06:17 |
tuxd3v | gentoo also | 06:17 |
sunshavi | devuan provides libgccjit? | 06:17 |
tuxd3v | I saw someone today compiling it | 06:19 |
tuxd3v | let me check | 06:19 |
tuxd3v | 8.3.0-6 | 06:20 |
tuxd3v | I mean version libgccjit? | 06:20 |
tuxd3v | I mean version 8.3.0-6 | 06:20 |
sunshavi | nice | 06:21 |
sunshavi | r u an n900 fan? | 06:21 |
tuxd3v | yes I am | 06:22 |
tuxd3v | but I never got one, unfortunatly | 06:22 |
sunshavi | i am typing on it | 06:22 |
tuxd3v | nice! | 06:22 |
tuxd3v | the most closer thing that exists today is the: https://www.fxtec.com/ | 06:23 |
tuxd3v | but n900 runs real linux userspace :) | 06:23 |
sunshavi | actually. I am on this channel cos of n900 | 06:33 |
sunshavi | n900 has a new OS maemo-leste which is based on devuan | 06:34 |
tuxd3v | yeah | 06:36 |
tuxd3v | maemo.leste is a nice OS | 06:36 |
tuxd3v | and a nice community | 06:36 |
tuxd3v | how many time you have that device? | 06:42 |
sunshavi | 8 years probably. I have two of them. one of them with a broken screen | 06:42 |
sunshavi | But even with the broken screen I could use it as a bluetooth access point | 06:43 |
tuxd3v | wifi and Bluetooth work ok? | 06:49 |
tuxd3v | and fm Radio? | 06:50 |
sunshavi | yes all of it works. Yes the screen | 07:06 |
sunshavi | s/yes/just/ | 07:06 |
QualityGlass | does flatpak work on devuan? | 13:22 |
gnarface | not sure | 13:33 |
gnarface | it might be one of those things where it "works" until it breaks something | 13:33 |
systemdlete | QualityGlass: I've tried flatpak, though not for very much. It does work. | 17:44 |
systemdlete | gnarface: I appreciate your admonishments, but I wonder if interactions with the rest of the *.deb-installed system will actually present an issue. flatpak creates its own system libraries that its other packages can link to. You may be right to admonish us this way, though. | 17:45 |
systemdlete | Is there a way to install a very minimal, lightweight version of beowulf? I mean, one that only takes up, say, 4 or 5 gb rather than the usual space (the kind that 12gb is recommended for)? | 17:47 |
gnarface | yes, do an expert mode install and uncheck all the boxes at the last step | 17:47 |
systemdlete | I've looked at star, which is kind of a spin off devuan. But I'm having difficulty booting it in EFI. | 17:47 |
systemdlete | aha! Of course. Thank you. | 17:48 |
systemdlete | How much space will that eat, overall? (I'm trying to size a virtual disk with limited physical space left) | 17:48 |
systemdlete | Would I be safe with, say, 6gb? | 17:48 |
gnarface | i don't know enough about flatpack to know what it might break, i just know that usually when you install unpackaged stuff or use a foreign package manager it tends to clobber things by not being properly dependency aware, or not having packages that adhere to the right FHS, that sort of thing | 17:49 |
gnarface | there's added risk largely due to but not not limited to the larger opportunity for mistakes | 17:50 |
gnarface | the minimal install from a netinstall disk is probably around half a gigabyte | 17:51 |
gnarface | it would vary by architecture | 17:51 |
systemdlete | really? wow. | 17:51 |
systemdlete | So, say 2gb then. | 17:51 |
gnarface | (the 64-bit binaries are actually a bit larger) | 17:51 |
systemdlete | It's only a test vm, so I don't care whether it works well or not. I'd hope for a minimal desktop though, just in case I end up having to poke through the guts a bit. | 17:52 |
gnarface | 2gb is enough for blackbox | 17:52 |
systemdlete | what about something like xfce? | 17:52 |
gnarface | not sure, might get crowded | 17:52 |
systemdlete | Hmmm. OK, thanks. | 17:53 |
danuan | anyone have any idea why apt-cacher would purge all my caches periodicaly , my clean_cache = 1 is commented out, but even with it on it should not happen for beowulf as pakages raerly get updates | 19:22 |
danuan | unless the deb.devuan.org re director sends me to to mirrors that have different pakage lists or signatures ? | 19:23 |
gnarface | amprolla does some http redirect magic after the DNS round-robin that might be sabotaging your cache | 19:24 |
systemdlete | I would like devuan devs to know that I have now successfully installed beowulf to 32 and 64 bit EFI VMs without any problems. I didn't even need to install the alternate efi boot thingy! | 19:25 |
systemdlete | This was done with vbox 6.1.14 on AMD hardware running devuan ascii on the host, just for completeness. | 19:26 |
gnarface | i don't know why some people have trouble with that, i think it is a vendor quirk | 19:26 |
systemdlete | Previously, I had installed ascii AND beowulf on a 64 bit efi laptop/tablet. There are some issues w/r/t laptop, mainly rotating the screen and battery management, but I've worked around them for now. Those are mainly nuisances. | 19:28 |
systemdlete | I do not have any 32 bit efi hardware to test with here | 19:28 |
systemdlete | I am sharing this info only because I am doing some comparison testing of EFI installs for a different distro and needed a solid reference to base my observations on. Devuan did it! | 19:29 |
gnarface | glad to hear it, systemdlete | 19:31 |
systemdlete | gnarface: The installer does tell you, in the page where it asks if you want to install the alternate efi copy, that some hardware does not work to the UEFI spec. | 19:31 |
systemdlete | There remains SOME sanity in the Linux universe in these very sad days of systemd and its poettering pals. | 19:31 |
systemdlete | gnarface: I think that this level of EFI support will be a big selling point in the next few years as BIOS is replaced by EFI, so this might be no small matter. I am not a huge fan of EFI, but now that I understand how it works -- with all of its flaws, and it has many -- at least your distro is positioned for what's coming. | 19:34 |
systemdlete | And, just fyi (to anyone reading this), the vbox implementation of EFI is pretty crummy so far in my experience. I've logged one bug already, and I foresee more. | 19:35 |
gnarface | i don't know if devuan even can claim responsibility for this though, aren't these packages the same as debian's? | 19:36 |
gnarface | or does debian's installer actually not succeed at this? | 19:36 |
systemdlete | Having devuan available means, based on my own install testing on EFI, that many users will be spared headaches. | 19:36 |
systemdlete | Oh, no. | 19:36 |
systemdlete | Not debian. | 19:36 |
systemdlete | This is for adelie linux. | 19:36 |
systemdlete | We're still struggling to get EFI working properly, but it is a new distro and it is making steady progress to this and other goals. | 19:37 |
systemdlete | Personally, I am looking forward to seeing a successful adelie 1.0 release, but that won't be for some time. I'm guessing another year or so. | 19:37 |
systemdlete | So, gnarface, now that I HAVE an example of a working EFI install (for both 32 and 64 bit), I have a means to compare. That was the point to my testing. | 19:38 |
gnarface | i see | 19:39 |
gnarface | well thanks for the info | 19:39 |
systemdlete | And, yes, maybe this is debian-dependent to some degree. But, maybe this is a zeitgeist of coming problems for devuan: https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/message/d501db5ab86b98614ee1cbf40fb50f94 | 19:40 |
systemdlete | The only "flaw" I can report is that, the initial boot with the install disks, you have to navigate the vbox EFI UI, which frankly is lousy. Once you are booted into the installer, everything works smoothly. | 19:42 |
gnarface | sounds like something that might be valuable enough to put in a forum post | 19:44 |
systemdlete | Maybe other vendors' EFI work better and don't require this clumsiness. And, maybe just the opposite occurs in those environments. I.e., maybe the installer boots right up without navigating the EFI UI, but upon booting up the installed system ends up with issues. I simply don't know. The UEFI standard is... well... a standard. | 19:45 |
systemdlete | So my results are not 100% conclusive. | 19:45 |
systemdlete | I think brutal honesty about this is direly necessary. | 19:46 |
systemdlete | On my laptop, I have no problems booting the installed system; grub comes right up (with the entry to alternatively go into the EFI UI) | 19:47 |
systemdlete | But I can't necesssarily assert this for all hardware. | 19:47 |
systemdlete | s/hardware/EFI implementations/ | 19:49 |
systemdlete | Yeah, I could do that... forum post. | 19:50 |
systemdlete | That gentoo post sound scary. What comes next: systemd-uefi also? | 19:52 |
Wafficus | I have a question regarding installing Gentoo via KVM. I installed it via apt in Devuan, and for the "Choose your operating system you are installing", it forces me to enter in what specific OS. The problem with this is that even if I search for Linux, it only gives me variants like "Red Hat Linux", "Alpine Linux", etc, when it actually should allow me to pick the generic "Linux", and then further specify it | 20:04 |
Wafficus | with the "Version" to then pick "Gentoo" | 20:04 |
Wafficus | I mentioned this since a related YouTube video has these menu options present at the 2:36 mark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoVJtOj_Rlk | 20:05 |
systemdlete | I am now pretty certain that devuan boot cdrom's will need to have an ESP to boot on EFI hardware. I believe that is the reason for having to manually launch the install media from efi shell. | 20:50 |
systemdlete | nvm. It does have an ESP. This might be vbox bug | 20:50 |
danuan | Wafficus just pick the closest relative , if its virt-manager , all that does is set up basics , you can change or add things later , as long as it boots and starts installing | 20:52 |
danuan | or just clone an allready working linux vm and reasign the storage | 20:53 |
Wafficus | yeah I don't have it working in Virtualbox either unfortunately | 21:28 |
fsmithred | systemdlete, all devuan isos except the minimal-live will boot on uefi | 21:28 |
systemdlete | as I said, nvm. My bad. | 21:29 |
systemdlete | However | 21:29 |
fsmithred | installs in vbox or qemu can be difficult to boot | 21:29 |
systemdlete | I find that the devuan ISOs do not boot straight away in VirtualBox. | 21:29 |
systemdlete | yes, exactly. | 21:29 |
fsmithred | isos all boot for me | 21:29 |
systemdlete | in efi? | 21:30 |
fsmithred | for qemu I had to add special stuff for efi | 21:30 |
fsmithred | yes efi | 21:30 |
fsmithred | I get the grub boot menu with the isos, I have to go into the boot setup screen to boot the installs | 21:30 |
systemdlete | do you get the grub boot menu automatically, or do you have to first navigate around the efi shell or the efi UI first? | 21:30 |
systemdlete | ok | 21:30 |
systemdlete | That's what I meant. | 21:30 |
fsmithred | just for installs, efi shell, esc, exit, scroll down to boot from file, drill down to find a bootable file | 21:31 |
systemdlete | UEFI standard says that EFI must be able to boot from mbr disks. | 21:31 |
systemdlete | right. | 21:31 |
fsmithred | find me someone who follows uefi standards. | 21:32 |
systemdlete | it doesn't say, though, what that might take... | 21:32 |
fsmithred | all my motherboards are different | 21:32 |
systemdlete | (yes) | 21:32 |
systemdlete | Someone needs to be shot, I just don't know who | 21:32 |
fsmithred | that would be too quick | 21:32 |
fsmithred | unless you start at the knees | 21:32 |
systemdlete | The Biden approach? | 21:32 |
systemdlete | Standards are wonderful because there are so many to choose from. | 21:33 |
fsmithred | not famiiliar with that | 21:33 |
fsmithred | lol, yeah | 21:33 |
Wafficus | Dementia With A Side Of Wealth | 21:33 |
systemdlete | vs Narcism with a Side of Fascism | 21:34 |
systemdlete | Wonderful country this is... | 21:34 |
Wafficus | both are deep state | 21:35 |
Wafficus | so does it matter | 21:35 |
systemdlete | nope, you are right | 21:35 |
systemdlete | I agree completely. | 21:35 |
systemdlete | But, this is OT | 21:35 |
systemdlete | We will get yelled at if we keep this up | 21:35 |
fsmithred | yup | 21:35 |
Wafficus | yeah | 21:36 |
Wafficus | where is the "ovmf_code.fd" file from the "ovmf" package on apt? | 23:40 |
Wafficus | * in Devuan | 23:40 |
Wafficus | I ask because I'll need it to install Gentoo in a Virt-Manager based VM with Devuan host | 23:40 |
fsmithred | /usr/share/ovmf | 23:42 |
fsmithred | or check /var/lib/dpkg/info/ovmf.list | 23:42 |
Wafficus | oh I need to install the backports version actually | 23:43 |
Wafficus | I gotta update "sources.list" | 23:43 |
Wafficus | with deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster-backports main | 23:43 |
fsmithred | NO!!! | 23:47 |
fsmithred | use deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-backports main | 23:48 |
fsmithred | Wafficus, don't use debian sources. It's like drinking unfiltered water. | 23:48 |
Wafficus | ok thanks | 23:50 |
Wafficus | that seemed to be taken fine by apt | 23:50 |
Wafficus | will install ovmf from the backport in that case | 23:50 |
hagbard_ | Did anyone in here successfully try to build glibc from source? | 23:52 |
fsmithred | Wafficus, you'll get the exact same package as you would from debian. | 23:52 |
fsmithred | our servers only hold the packages we fork and amprolla pulls in the rest from debian. The merge makes it look like it's all from us. | 23:53 |
Wafficus | ah gotcha | 23:55 |
Wafficus | I used your advice though btw | 23:55 |
Wafficus | so that seemed to be fine | 23:55 |
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