| suavedandy | Hard reboot very bad. | 00:09 |
|---|---|---|
| suavedandy | That's a very big flaw. | 00:09 |
| fsmithred | magic sysrq keys? | 00:13 |
| Xenguy | Did you folks read that github threw youtube-dl under the bus: https://torrentfreak.com/riaa-takes-down-popular-open-source-youtube-dl-software-201024/ | 00:58 |
| fsmithred | yes | 00:58 |
| Xenguy | Sorry, wrong window | 00:58 |
| fsmithred | ok, where you gonna go? I have more to say. | 00:59 |
| clort | more hunter pics making the rounds | 01:09 |
| clort | oh sorry not offtopic. why do you people confuse me. don't talk offtopic here. | 01:09 |
| malcolmputer | Did someone mess up apt? I'm getting No Hash entry in Release file /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/deb.devuan.org_merged_dists_beowulf_InRelease | 05:48 |
| gnarface | malcolmputer: are you using deb.devuan.org? if so, try again and see if it happens twice in a row | 05:59 |
| rrq | fyi amprolla runs its major updates on sundays.. and there also seems to be some issues this time | 06:01 |
| gnarface | malcolmputer: yea anything could go wrong while a file is being written | 06:03 |
| malcolmputer | gnarface yeah, I'm using deb.devuan.org It was working great, I made a template for my servers a few months back, and now clones of that template don't apt update. | 06:06 |
| malcolmputer | Would there have been a breaking update to apt or the way packages are signed in the last ~6 months? | 06:08 |
| gnarface | maybe... not that i can recall, but maybe. there were breaks to the domain names though if you weren't using deb.devuan.org... | 06:08 |
| malcolmputer | Yeah line is "deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf main" | 06:10 |
| malcolmputer | @rrq | 06:11 |
| malcolmputer | rrq: You think it will resolve itself in a few hours? | 06:12 |
| rrq | yes | 06:12 |
| rrq | I'll drop a note when things look better | 06:13 |
| malcolmputer | thanks | 06:21 |
| gnarface | malcolmputer: you have beowulf-updates and beowulf-security lines too, right? | 06:21 |
| malcolmputer | gnarface: yes, as well as the deb-src lines for each of those three. | 06:23 |
| gnarface | just making sure | 06:24 |
| rrq | fyi: I believe pkgmaster is up to date now; it takes up to 3 hours to have it propagated to all mirrors (deb.devuan.org) | 06:38 |
| unixbsd | I downloaded ascii dvd i386, and there are /cdrom/dists.... with DEBIAN and DEVUAN packages... this couldnt be just devuan? | 06:48 |
| gnarface | unixbsd: no, the vast majority of devuan is unaltered debian packages actually. that's the point. | 07:02 |
| unixbsd | ah ok. so this is why there are two folders | 07:03 |
| unixbsd | debian should go to openrc. openrc is way better | 07:04 |
| gnarface | yea, the amprolla software used to mirror actually does http redirects for those packages | 07:04 |
| gnarface | effort has been made to keep openrc working in devuan but yea it still works the way debian set it up, not the way gentoo set it up | 07:05 |
| gnarface | that's changeable though | 07:05 |
| unixbsd | i have slackware and this is a beast of a linux, slackwar is ultra fast. and ... openrc is king | 07:05 |
| tuxd3v | hello to all human in the Galaxy and beyond | 11:21 |
| unixbsd | Hello, I have deleted on retropie for my raspberry pi zero the sda2, to put devuan on the mmc. Is there maybe a way to put the base system devuan on sda2? I have not it run, so I cannot debootstrap on it. | 12:16 |
| tuxd3v | if the bootloader supports booting from usb disk then yes | 12:18 |
| tuxd3v | it all depends on how you are booting.. | 12:19 |
| unixbsd | I will make it boot. no worries. | 12:22 |
| unixbsd | I have the /boot on mmc part1, that can be populated with the devuan kernel. | 12:22 |
| tuxd3v | be aware that due to power limitations some hard drives will not work :) | 12:26 |
| unixbsd | for the raspberry pi zero, what is the default devuan image that works? | 12:36 |
| ferpv | hello | 12:38 |
| tuxd3v | there are a image but it doesnn't support wifi :( | 12:39 |
| tuxd3v | http://arm-files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_armel_rpi1_0.3.img.xz | 12:39 |
| ferpv | Beowulf 3.0.0 just installed, shows 'LIL' at reboot. Any idea? | 12:40 |
| tuxd3v | ferpv, probably you forget to write the bootloader for the correct disk | 12:42 |
| tuxd3v | do you see any menu options on reboot? | 12:43 |
| ferpv | setup syas it does.... | 12:43 |
| ferpv | no, just LIL | 12:43 |
| tuxd3v | where do you installed grub? | 12:44 |
| tuxd3v | in what location? | 12:44 |
| ferpv | I'm thinking to install grub best, but the setup program is too much interconected to the extent we have to do all the steps again. | 12:44 |
| ferpv | it would be good to disconnect all steps in advanced setup | 12:45 |
| ferpv | I installed LILO cause it deoesn't shows at first in setup :( | 12:46 |
| tuxd3v | usually grub is installed in the section following the MBR at 1MB | 12:46 |
| ferpv | yes, I know, but I must do all steps with that setup :( | 12:46 |
| tuxd3v | for example in /dev/sdb, /dev/sdb, etc | 12:46 |
| ferpv | I know how to do it for grub but I forget all lilo related stuff | 12:47 |
| tuxd3v | does you have a live cd? | 12:47 |
| tuxd3v | ho so you have lilo | 12:47 |
| ferpv | no, install dvd | 12:47 |
| ferpv | a live cd will allow to search for the problem | 12:48 |
| ferpv | is there one? I dind't see it | 12:49 |
| tuxd3v | yeah, you can chroot to your instalation and fix the problem :) | 12:49 |
| ferpv | yes, | 12:50 |
| ferpv | I want to update a server with a non systemd not rolling distro. | 12:51 |
| ferpv | a bit outdated server anyway | 12:51 |
| tuxd3v | there are a desktop-live image: | 12:51 |
| tuxd3v | https://devuan.org/get-devuan | 12:51 |
| ferpv | but systend is too much to deal with... | 12:51 |
| tuxd3v | agree | 12:52 |
| ferpv | thanks Tuxd3v, i am downloading it right now! | 12:53 |
| ferpv | I am using artix, but rolling is a source of problems for me | 12:54 |
| ferpv | using now it at home | 12:55 |
| brocashelm | even devuan chimaera/ceres is more stable than most other "stable" distros i've tried | 13:33 |
| unixbsd | thank you ... ! | 15:08 |
| unixbsd | I download http://arm-files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_armel_rpi1_0.3.img.xz for pi zero | 15:08 |
| greenkiwii | Hi everyone | 15:19 |
| gnarface | hello, if you have questions just ask | 15:22 |
| greenkiwii | Im trying to use devuan ascii to pi 3 but I cant apt update it. Id already changed to the source list from the devuan package page but still not working. Can someone help me with this? Thanks in advance | 15:23 |
| gnarface | the hostnames in your sources probably need to be changed to the new hostname: deb.devuan.org | 15:25 |
| gnarface | https://paste.debian.net/1168626/ | 15:27 |
| gnarface | here's an example | 15:27 |
| greenkiwii | yes theyre like these | 15:28 |
| gnarface | look closely the details matter | 15:29 |
| gnarface | try that one exactly | 15:29 |
| gnarface | see if it works better | 15:29 |
| greenkiwii | it outputs failed to fetch. Temporary failure resolving | 15:29 |
| gnarface | that seems like a network configuration problem | 15:30 |
| greenkiwii | ok ill try it again | 15:30 |
| greenkiwii | hi again | 15:59 |
| greenkiwii | it was really a network problem i checked out and now its as expected ty again | 16:00 |
| greenkiwii | keep the good work o> | 16:01 |
| greenkiwii | Hi | 16:56 |
| greenkiwii | I'm having some trouble to install linux-headers-4.16.14-v8 can anyone help me again? | 16:57 |
| greenkiwii | it's for ascii in pi3 | 16:57 |
| gnarface | i'm not sure where you'd get them | 16:58 |
| gnarface | you might have to build them yourself from whatever source package there is for that kernel | 16:58 |
| gnarface | a lot of the ascii kernels aren't actually packaged | 16:59 |
| greenkiwii | interesting | 16:59 |
| gnarface | also if you just upgraded from raspbian it'd be the raspbian kernel headers i guess? | 16:59 |
| gnarface | knowing that might help you find them | 16:59 |
| greenkiwii | I flashed the ascii pi3 .img downloaded from the devuan site | 17:00 |
| greenkiwii | with dd | 17:00 |
| gnarface | oh | 17:00 |
| gnarface | uh... those sources are somewhere then, but i don't think on the repo | 17:00 |
| gnarface | i think they're in the gitlab | 17:00 |
| gnarface | there might be some other place to get them too i'm not sure but them not being in the repo is kinda a thing | 17:01 |
| gnarface | you'd check like this to be sure though: apt-cache search ^linux-headers | 17:01 |
| gnarface | maybe the headers aren't anything special too | 17:02 |
| gnarface | and any would work for what you're doing | 17:03 |
| gnarface | but that's risky | 17:03 |
| * ShorTie Thinkz, It's a custom kernel, cruel they don't include them, imho | 17:03 | |
| gnarface | i am pretty sure you're right ShorTie | 17:03 |
| gnarface | all the arm images have their own custom kernels i think | 17:03 |
| gnarface | that's more about arm hardware than devuan | 17:04 |
| ShorTie | yup. | 17:04 |
| ShorTie | it's on who ever made the image/kernel imho | 17:04 |
| greenkiwii | ill check that | 17:05 |
| gnarface | you should also check out #devuan-arm | 17:05 |
| gnarface | someone in there might have made the image but don't necessarily expect quick responses | 17:06 |
| greenkiwii | oh thats awesome ty | 17:09 |
| greenkiwii | about the cache search it gives linux-headers-4.9.0 and 4.19.0 | 17:09 |
| greenkiwii | that also output a linux-hearder-arm64 maybe is this? | 17:11 |
| user____ | Hi. Are there any plans to rid devuan of ifruitware, meaning CUPS in this case? Related: has anyone got a recipe or link on how to get a Samsung Express series monochrome laser working with lpd / cli filters (no cups)? | 17:13 |
| user____ | unrelated-but-related and maybe points at a solution https://osnux.tistory.com/entry/Raspberry-pi-Printer-Server-Setup-with-Samsung-Laser-printer | 17:15 |
| user____ | clort: you were doing something with a pi and devuan here? Any printer filter experiences to share? | 17:15 |
| * user____ wants plain cups-less lpd filters for this now | 17:15 | |
| clort | hi | 17:15 |
| clort | i got so sick of that pi3 | 17:16 |
| gnarface | greenkiwii: probably that's the generic debian arm one not sure though | 17:16 |
| clort | bought a jetson nano. much nicer. | 17:16 |
| user____ | hmm getting lukewarm I guess http://splix.ap2c.org/ | 17:16 |
| clort | i avoid printing now. if people want text on dead trees i tend to write it with a pen | 17:17 |
| gnarface | i actually like cups, but i don't leave it running when i'm not printing something | 17:17 |
| user____ | It's for printing onto PCBs - technical etching masks | 17:17 |
| user____ | gnarface: cups is binary. It has 10 states. It works or it does not. If it does not, there is nothing you can usually do to make it work. | 17:18 |
| user____ | Opaque messy monster software. Non unix and preferrably "disappeared" soon. | 17:18 |
| user____ | Nice, splix exists as debian package | 17:18 |
| gnarface | i've never had a problem with it when there's actually a driver for the printer | 17:19 |
| user____ | I have had. And won't go there again. A transparency used for what I print (masks) is $2. | 17:19 |
| user____ | Hmm why would it depend on cups-filters? | 17:21 |
| user____ | reading the spec for SPL2 it does not sound like a big job to write a simple filter program doing it. https://master.dl.sourceforge.net/project/splix/doc/1.0/specs-en.pdf | 17:31 |
| user____ | or "repurpose" a cups-oriented filter for this, using a script to drive it. | 17:32 |
| user____ | The upstream OEM drivers for Samsung (now HP) ML-2xxx series printers are absolute bloatware from hp.com | 17:36 |
| user____ | http://www.samsungdrivers.net/samsung-m2026-driver/ example: 15MB! | 17:37 |
| user____ | the filter proper is called rastertospl and one might make sense of it after a while. This is the binary in the oem samsung/hp .tar.gz driver for cups | 17:41 |
| user____ | ldd /tmp/rastertospl|wc -l -> 28 !! | 17:43 |
| user____ | the binary nature of CUPS is very obvious after one searches a bit https://classicforum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=25286.30 | 17:51 |
| user____ | ok, I'll stop polluting here. Anyone with a solution to operate a CUPS filter (rastertospl oem or splix) in lpd simple printing filter mode ping me please. | 17:51 |
| user____ | looks like someone did something about alternative drivers. https://askubuntu.com/questions/1138999/samsung-m2020-printer-not-working-since-19-04-upgrade any experience here with those? Anyone? On devuan? | 18:03 |
| user____ | https://www.bchemnet.com/suldr/ "https://www.bchemnet.com/suldr/forum/index.php?topic=366.0" -- this explains everything you need to know when buying samsung/hp. | 18:13 |
| user____ | Wasn't Stallman started on open source / GNU by a balky printer driver? | 18:14 |
| MinceR | what does hp have to do with samsung printers? | 18:15 |
| user____ | hp bought out samsung and are killing the brand in the usual way | 18:15 |
| MinceR | ah | 18:15 |
| user____ | I may have to revert to ascii devuan live, install printer drivers from oem, and capture traffic to reverse engineer the silly protocol. Madness. | 18:16 |
| user____ | I have not intercepted a usb data stream yet. May be fun to do. Or not. | 18:19 |
| clort | i want to reverse engineer a usb application | 18:24 |
| clort | just dont think i ever will | 18:24 |
| user____ | On windows there are tools for usb stream capture, never used for real. | 18:25 |
| user____ | On linux there are some too btw. | 18:25 |
| clort | i think you can on linux with etherape | 18:25 |
| user____ | oh wow. freebsd has cups. | 18:26 |
| user____ | clort: that is for ethernet | 18:26 |
| user____ | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/18137206/how-do-i-intercept-messages-from-a-usb-device-on-linux | 18:27 |
| user____ | this is way off topic for #devuan . Let's take it elsewhere. | 18:27 |
| brocashelm | ^ maybe #debianfork or #devuan-offtopic | 18:27 |
| user____ | wow2 openbsd has cups! wow. | 18:31 |
| clort | user devuan-offtopic | 19:12 |
| suavedandy | How do I set up acpi-support? | 20:57 |
| suavedandy | I want my lid switch working. | 20:57 |
| suavedandy | Where's the config? There's no manpage. | 20:58 |
| n4dir | - /usr/share/doc/acpi-support/* isn't helping? | 21:02 |
| n4dir | config seems /etc/default/acpi-support | 21:04 |
| mason | suavedandy: Eh? We'd covered this back in August. | 21:08 |
| mason | 14:41 < mason> suavedandy: acpi-support, and the file I mentioned was /etc/default/acpi-support | 21:08 |
| mason | suavedandy: Had to set this up previously and then reinstalled, losing the configuration? | 21:09 |
| mason | s/to/you/ | 21:10 |
| mason | anyway | 21:10 |
| mason | bbiab | 21:10 |
| n4dir | more general apt-file search and/or show <pkg> is useful for such stuff. "whereis" might be too. or "locate" | 21:11 |
| suavedandy | Yeah, I reinstalled the system sev'ral times. | 21:11 |
| suavedandy | I haven't really completed anything. | 21:11 |
| suavedandy | Wanted to try Fedora also. | 21:11 |
| suavedandy | I was kinda desperate. Installing Devuan on ZFS or BtrFS wasn't as successful as I thought it would. | 21:12 |
| suavedandy | So I just went with XFS due to having no other choise. | 21:12 |
| suavedandy | Maybe will try installing with BtrFS in the future. | 21:13 |
| suavedandy | But yeah, /etc/default/acpi-support works, n4dir. | 21:15 |
| n4dir | ah, good then. | 21:19 |
| suavedandy | Okay, opened Aptitude to search for some shellllllllz. | 21:21 |
| suavedandy | There's autojump. | 21:21 |
| suavedandy | Never heard of it. | 21:21 |
| n4dir | whats wrong with bash? | 21:22 |
| n4dir | not trying to convince you of anything, but in those 15 years (?) i have seen many hypes come and go. One can waste a lot of time with it | 21:23 |
| suavedandy | Well, nothing. Just features and convenience. | 21:24 |
| n4dir | i heard good things of mksh though | 21:24 |
| n4dir | suavedandy: really just smalltalk, my humble opinion. That is your choice, of course | 21:24 |
| suavedandy | What? mksh? | 21:26 |
| n4dir | no, that tip was serious. I don't know enough to compare shells, but folks seem to like it a lot. | 21:26 |
| n4dir | smalltalk was wether it makes sense to hunt for "the best" or " a better". | 21:27 |
| suavedandy | I mean, sometimes the gain is little and the payback is high. | 21:31 |
| suavedandy | Like with Gentoo. | 21:31 |
| suavedandy | And "best" is relative to the task you want to accomplish. | 21:31 |
| suavedandy | If you want to compile the system so it does specific things and specific things only and you're willing to support all this then more power to you. | 21:32 |
| n4dir | i know for sure that for the rest of my life i will not fully understand any of the shells. The advantage of bash is that there are many helpers. As said: imho. For me. Other people got other preferences | 21:33 |
| suavedandy | Well, if you want a lot of help then might as well use Ubuntu or something. | 21:33 |
| n4dir | same for all the other hypes, like filesystems, and again: for me | 21:33 |
| suavedandy | You're aware that the only help resources we have are, like… | 21:34 |
| suavedandy | IRC… | 21:34 |
| suavedandy | …broken Debian wiki, I guess… | 21:34 |
| suavedandy | …Gentoo when it comes to OpenRC or Runit… | 21:35 |
| n4dir | i sure have no problems getting help with bash | 21:35 |
| suavedandy | What I'm saying is that Devuan has less of a community than, say, Ubuntu. | 21:36 |
| suavedandy | Or Arch. | 21:36 |
| suavedandy | So if you like having lots of help articles and tutorials and people that can help, it would've been more logical to choose Arch or something. | 21:40 |
| n4dir | i don't need help with the OS, because that is not what i use daily | 21:41 |
| suavedandy | Wait. You don't need help with the OS? | 21:41 |
| n4dir | what help would you need there? package-manager | 21:41 |
| n4dir | and there are not that much. | 21:42 |
| n4dir | have fun finding help with the fish shell | 21:42 |
| n4dir | or with s6 init system | 21:43 |
| suavedandy | I'm not that radical to use s6. | 21:43 |
| suavedandy | I use what works. | 21:43 |
| n4dir | anyway: my point should be clear. There is a reason de facto standards are de facto standards. | 21:44 |
| suavedandy | Well, Systemd is also a standard. | 21:45 |
| brocashelm | well, i don't have a problem with devuan's community size (which is indeed a total minority in the general gnu/linux community, with mainly ubuntu, arch, gentoo, fedora, red hat, etc. butting heads with each other). generally speaking, people who turn to devuan already have some hands-on experience with gnu/linux, and whatever issues pertain to mint, debian, ubuntu, and just about every other apt-based distro can certainly apply to devua | 21:46 |
| brocashelm | n | 21:46 |
| brocashelm | i also don't mind that arch's wiki is well-written and superior to every other distro's wiki i've come across, and that it can be used to resolve problems outside of pacman | 21:47 |
| n4dir | as in: everything it has is very well known in the gnu/linux community as a whole. | 21:47 |
| brocashelm | devuan is not a beginner-friendly distro, unlike mint or manjaro even. it's intended for more hobbyist usage, even if you're using stable. you'll have to configure things exactly how you want it | 21:48 |
| brocashelm | at least this distro exists and we didn't have to switch to a completely different package manager or compile from source all the time | 21:49 |
| suavedandy | Well. | 21:53 |
| suavedandy | I don't really need a graphical interface. | 21:53 |
| suavedandy | My mom needs a GUI. | 22:12 |
| suavedandy | That's why I won't install Debian on her Mac. | 22:12 |
| n4dir | Debian doesn't come with a GUI? | 22:21 |
| suavedandy | Well, it does. | 22:37 |
| suavedandy | But, like, you will need to use a terminal eventually. | 22:37 |
| n4dir | i see | 22:38 |
| suavedandy | And my mom doesn't understand terminals. | 22:38 |
| n4dir | yeah, that is fine, of course. I simply didn't understand first | 22:38 |
| suavedandy | And I'm planning on using the terminal extensively anyway. | 22:39 |
| suavedandy | So I didn't do a GUI install. | 22:39 |
| suavedandy | I dunno, man. To me Devuan feels like any other GNU/Linux system with the only difference being me needing to read an OpenRC manual. | 22:41 |
| suavedandy | And installing some patches. | 22:43 |
| suavedandy | Like the cryptsetup patch. | 22:43 |
| suavedandy | And acpi-support. | 22:43 |
| suavedandy | Or maybe I haven't ran into a major issue yet. | 22:44 |
| suavedandy | Really, most of the issues are more Debian-related, NGL. | 22:44 |
| suavedandy | Perhaps having a smaller community isn't that much of a problem in that case. | 22:45 |
| suavedandy | Perhaps I should also join #debian then? | 22:45 |
| n4dir | that never hurts | 22:45 |
| fsmithred | we make up for quantity with quality | 22:45 |
| fsmithred | yes it does. From what I've heard, it's often painful to go to #debian | 22:46 |
| n4dir | can be, but there are some really good people, who offer good advice | 22:46 |
| fsmithred | good to hear that. I've only heard the bad stuff. | 22:47 |
| fsmithred | forums.debian.net is still a good place for info | 22:47 |
| n4dir | there sure is greycat and jelly, who is also here. There are some more, but i always forget nicknames | 22:47 |
| fsmithred | greycat? | 22:47 |
| fsmithred | the bash guy? | 22:48 |
| n4dir | a user over there. And, as far i understand, the man behind ... exactly | 22:48 |
| fsmithred | or is that a different name | 22:48 |
| suavedandy | But yeah, you wouldn't call me an experienced user. Most of my experience is from crushing into problems and trying to solve them while reading to the Arch Wiki. | 22:48 |
| n4dir | as far as advice and info is concerned i can't complain about #debian, au contraire | 22:48 |
| fsmithred | cool | 22:48 |
| suavedandy | I mean, I don't know if it was the wisest choise to go straight to Devuan with it being my first GNU/Linux that I didn't give up on while/after installing it. | 22:49 |
| n4dir | well: i don't complain about how bad systemd is , and why this is like this and that is like that. I just read or ask | 22:49 |
| suavedandy | I kinda decided to stick to it and fffmffmpff. | 22:50 |
| fsmithred | devuan is debian without systemd | 22:50 |
| n4dir | i for one see no difference in my daily ride | 22:50 |
| fsmithred | and debian/devuan may not be the most newbie-friendly, it's really pretty easy to do most stuff. | 22:51 |
| fsmithred | any services you install will be set up with sane defaults and working out of the box | 22:51 |
| n4dir | i gave up on debian(-based) for years, probably 5. Going back most things are still most natural. I wouldn't call it outstanding difficult | 22:52 |
| suavedandy | I mean, I wanted to install a GUI and software of my choise so I would've needed to dig deeper anyway. | 22:52 |
| fsmithred | there's no comprehensive admin gui like yast or control center, so that makes it a little harder | 22:52 |
| suavedandy | Yeah, I thought OpenSUSE's YaST was pretty cool. | 22:53 |
| n4dir | and once it is set up, it is pretty stable | 22:53 |
| n4dir | so you hardly have to do admin stuff. | 22:53 |
| suavedandy | But I mean, Debian has lots of packages. | 22:53 |
| suavedandy | And is a standard. | 22:53 |
| suavedandy | As n4dir said. | 22:53 |
| suavedandy | So… | 22:53 |
| suavedandy | I mean, I dunno, YaST is neato indeed. | 22:54 |
| n4dir | suavedandy: that is damn old, but "who the bloody hell cares about debian" is still a good read (or watch, if the video can be found). | 22:54 |
| suavedandy | But I mean. | 22:54 |
| suavedandy | All those distros always have something and lack something. | 22:54 |
| suavedandy | Like, Fedora has SELinux. | 22:54 |
| suavedandy | OpenSUSE… does not. | 22:55 |
| syco- | up to you to install/compile it | 22:55 |
| suavedandy | Will it even work? | 22:55 |
| syco- | why not ? | 22:56 |
| syco- | that's up to you | 22:56 |
| suavedandy | I dunno. That's a RedHat thingy. | 22:56 |
| fsmithred | since when did suse drop selinux? | 22:56 |
| suavedandy | So obv it's built around RPM distros. | 22:56 |
| suavedandy | It has SELinux? | 22:56 |
| syco- | make-kpkg and DIY | 22:57 |
| suavedandy | I mean, Debian has SELinux as a package too. | 22:57 |
| suavedandy | You can install it here as well. | 22:57 |
| suavedandy | The thing that Debian doesn't have is grsecurity. Need to compile and support it yourself. | 22:58 |
| suavedandy | And YaST. | 22:58 |
| suavedandy | I don't know. I also thought OpenSUSE has less packages and Debian is more rock-solid. | 23:00 |
| syco- | debian-stable is | 23:00 |
| suavedandy | And I'm planning to use Mobian/PureOS anyway. Better adopt then. | 23:01 |
| suavedandy | Yeah, Debian Stable. | 23:01 |
| syco- | testing etc .. by definition .. | 23:01 |
| suavedandy | Well, yeah. | 23:01 |
| suavedandy | I know, that's what I'm saying. | 23:01 |
| suavedandy | Testing is kinda rolling but it freezes at one point. | 23:02 |
| suavedandy | So no wonder. | 23:02 |
| syco- | i keep debian-stable on servers (even if almost everything is out-dated) bue on a laptop/wks i prefer mint or other more up-to-date distros | 23:02 |
| syco- | s/bue/but | 23:03 |
| suavedandy | Huh. | 23:03 |
| suavedandy | Are old packages that deal-breaking? | 23:03 |
| syco- | on a laptop or workstation .. depending on your needs they might | 23:04 |
| suavedandy | After all, isn't that annoying that you need to upgrade software again and again and again just to get… what? One feature you'll never use? | 23:04 |
| suavedandy | Also, backports. | 23:04 |
| syco- | on something thats needs to be stable | 23:05 |
| syco- | use stable | 23:05 |
| suavedandy | I mean. | 23:05 |
| suavedandy | My laptop is my only PC. | 23:05 |
| suavedandy | So obv I need it to survive. | 23:05 |
| suavedandy | I'm on a budget. | 23:05 |
| syco- | i'd use mint for a laptop | 23:06 |
| suavedandy | But why? | 23:06 |
| syco- | cause it just works fine | 23:06 |
| syco- | it's light | 23:06 |
| syco- | does what i need | 23:06 |
| syco- | has almost alle the debian paquages | 23:06 |
| suavedandy | That's the description of most distros other than Arch, Gentoo and some obscure stuff. | 23:07 |
| suavedandy | Except for packages. | 23:07 |
| suavedandy | Debian and Ubuntu win here. | 23:08 |
| suavedandy | Tho I heard Fedora has RPM Fusion and NixOS's repo's quite huge. | 23:08 |
| n4dir | i wouldn't call mint light | 23:08 |
| tuxd3v | hello guys | 23:08 |
| syco- | n4dir, xfce edition is cool | 23:09 |
| tuxd3v | I need torun a command when a interface goes down | 23:09 |
| tuxd3v | I am using this on the interface: | 23:09 |
| tuxd3v | pre-down echo 0 > /sys/class/leds/nanopi-r2s\:green\:lan/brightness | 23:09 |
| suavedandy | You want to break your interface or something, lol? | 23:09 |
| tuxd3v | but by some reason it doesn't work | 23:09 |
| tuxd3v | something :) | 23:10 |
| suavedandy | Maybe turn off the screen? | 23:10 |
| syco- | =p | 23:11 |
| suavedandy | syco-: Ya on the off-topic channel? | 23:14 |
| syco- | nope | 23:15 |
| suavedandy | Nicht gut. | 23:15 |
| syco- | warum ? | 23:15 |
| syco- | /j #devuan-off-topic whats the chann ? | 23:16 |
| suavedandy | Weil. | 23:16 |
| syco- | ok | 23:16 |
| syco- | got it | 23:16 |
| suavedandy | Not "off-topic." "offtopic." | 23:16 |
| syco- | ok | 23:17 |
| suavedandy | But anyway. I'mma set up LightDM and go sleep. | 23:17 |
| tuxd3v | suavedandy, you should =P | 23:20 |
| suavedandy | YEAH, BOIIIIIIII! | 23:23 |
| suavedandy | Xorg DEFEATED. | 23:24 |
| syco- | ? | 23:24 |
| suavedandy | Aaaaand I have another problem. | 23:34 |
| suavedandy | Oof. | 23:34 |
| suavedandy | But anyway, need to get some sleep. Will figure it out later. | 23:34 |
| tuxd3v | suavedandy, BOI to you too! | 23:36 |
| suavedandy | "Boi" is literally just "boy." | 23:39 |
| suavedandy | But with I. | 23:39 |
| suavedandy | Like, we have Da Bois on Amazon Prime. | 23:40 |
| crashoverride | suavedandy: "Xorg defeated" - famous last words. | 23:54 |
| suavedandy | Top 10 Words Spoken Before Disaster. | 23:59 |
| crashoverride | yeah. | 23:59 |
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