libera/#devuan/ Monday, 2020-10-26

crashoverride1. Alright00:00
crashoverride2. wait!00:00
crashoverride3. feeeew00:00
crashoverride4. oh00:00
crashoverride5. that00:00
crashoverride6. was00:00
crashoverride7. close00:00
crashoverride8. no!00:00
crashoverride9. why00:00
crashoverride10. maybe00:00
crashoverrideand with that, I can be glad that #devuan does not have an aggressive ban bot.00:01
crashoverridealso, we can allbe glad that you said 10 and not 100 or 99900:02
golinuxPlease take it to offtopic00:02
suavedandyWe may not have an aggressive ban bot.00:02
suavedandyBut we have aggressive ban people.00:02
crashoverridesurely they have some humour ;)00:02
suavedandyD O U B T00:03
golinuxNo, we have devs who are doing the work that you use having to slog through this silliness to find useful problems that may need fixing00:04
crashoverridewell, doubt all you want, I'll crash now.00:04
crashoverrideo/00:04
golinuxIt's annoying and very ungrateful of you to do that to them00:04
golinuxByeeeeee . . .00:05
suavedandyYou've upsetted golinux, Crash. Great.00:05
suavedandyDamn.00:05
xrogaanAlright, update on thunderbird and my PGP issue: it was my mistake. My key aliases were not properly configured.01:17
xrogaanBut, it's impossible to update the key within thunderbird. you have to delete it and reimport it.01:17
* icemodding hi ppl! :-)01:42
leafwizHello. I added my user to /etc/groups by using usermod -G netdev leafwiz. I was then added. But after a reboot my entry is removed?12:36
leafwizAnd I wonder why this is happening?12:36
leafwizbecause wicd is giving a complaint that it can not start due to lacking netdev group privs.12:38
gnarfaceshould not have happened12:38
gnarfaceyou verified the groups file you thought would be changed actually changed before you rebooted?12:38
gnarfacefyi though you should have only had to log out12:38
leafwizjupp, have verified. I get removed from all groups12:41
leafwizafter a reboot12:41
leafwizGot removed from sudo, and netdev12:41
gnarfacethat's really weird, never heard of that before12:41
leafwizI have the latest install. Installed from live-cd12:41
gnarfacewas this a fresh install or a upgrade from debian?12:41
leafwizFresh12:42
gnarfacehmm, install from livecd though12:42
leafwiz1 week ago12:42
gnarfacei wonder if that has something to do with it12:42
gnarfacemight be a livecd installer bug12:42
gnarfaceit's different from the netinstall, you know12:42
leafwizaha12:43
gnarfacebecause that also sounds like something a live image would do12:44
leafwizIts a bit strange. It like something is copying in a fresh /etc/groups file12:44
gnarfacebut i would expect everything to reset12:44
leafwizaha.. yeah, its like i'm running a livecd12:44
leafwizI would think one could reproduce my results by doing a live-cd install13:18
gnarfacefsmithred: have you seen this?13:21
fsmithredjust got here. Let me catch up.13:31
fsmithredleafwiz, I've done hundreds or thousands of installs with that installer. Tell me a little more about what you did.13:33
leafwizfsmithred: Sure, I did a live install where i in the process made two partitions. One small FAT32 , then ext3, then linux swap. I followed the tutorial for installing the system. I think I choose the standard install options13:35
leafwizI used the latest live-cd install image which was DD-ed to my usb-key13:36
fsmithreddid you change user name during the install, or did you add yourself as a second user after rebooting?13:36
fsmithredor somethine else?13:36
leafwizI think I changed the username in the install13:36
fsmithredis the system running now?13:37
fsmithreddf -h13:37
leafwizyes13:37
fsmithreddon't paste it here13:37
leafwizSure pastebin13:37
fsmithredbut verify that you're on a hard drive and not in /run/live/whatever13:37
fsmithredthere should be refractainstaller.log in user's home. I'd like to see that. Either paste it or mail it to me at gee mail.13:40
fsmithredgmail13:40
leafwizhttps://pastebin.com/cvBJe9gX13:43
fsmithredlooks ok13:44
leafwizcool13:44
fsmithredalso looks like you're logged in as primary user (1000)13:44
fsmithredso you should have already been in the netdev group13:45
fsmithredthere's only one user directory under /home?13:45
leafwizjupp13:46
leafwizjust my user13:46
fsmithredand the usermod command worked, didn't tell you "command not found" or anything else odd?13:47
leafwizNo. I just did usermod -G netdev leafwiz13:47
fsmithredshouldn't that be -aG?13:48
fsmithredI always use adduser13:48
masonleafwiz: what's ls -l /etc/group look like? I'm interested in the mtime.13:48
fsmithredjust run groups or id and it will show you13:48
leafwizaha.. maybe that is what I do wrong13:48
leafwizyeah, that is prob it13:48
fsmithredprobably that you are only in one group now13:48
leafwizbrb13:49
fsmithreddo usermod -G leafwiz13:49
fsmithredfirst13:49
fsmithredthen append the rest13:49
masonOoh. "If the user is currently a member of a group which is not listed, the user will be removed from the group."13:49
fsmithred(not sure if that's necessary, but that's what I"d do)13:49
masonfsmithred: leafwiz: ^13:49
fsmithredyup13:49
leafwizokay, I am now member of sudo, netdev and leafwiz13:50
leafwizgoing to do a reboot now13:50
masonleafwiz: Wait a sec.13:50
leafwizwaiting13:50
fsmithredcdrom floppy audio dip plugdev netdev13:50
masonConsider the whole list of groups noted in /etc/adduser.conf13:50
leafwizmy user should be member of those groups?13:52
masonleafwiz: It's what the installer tends to give you, so you may well run into things that need them. Easier to add them now and not have to figure it out in future.13:53
leafwizsure13:53
masonleafwiz: I've bitten myself by not including them in the past, at various points.13:53
r3boot513:53
mason(My installs tend to be debootstrap-based and I'll adduser myself at the end, and I've taken to being more consistent about groups to save pain.)13:53
fsmithredplugdev is for mounting removable drives13:54
leafwizokay, I added them now13:54
fsmithredI think dip is for dialup13:54
fsmithredI guess there are still some places where you can use that13:54
fsmithredI hope you're good now. I need to go bring in some firewood. Back in a few minutes.13:55
leafwizThank you, I will do a reboot now13:56
leafwizSe how things are13:56
leafwizdid a reboot now, and all is good. So I learned that I need -aG when modifying groups14:00
masonleafwiz: You can also use vigr(8) - it's what I tend to do.14:03
masonIt's like vipw, but for groups.14:03
leafwizOkay, cool. Good to know.14:03
fsmithredadduser leafwiz netdev14:12
fsmithredwould also have worked14:12
fsmithredassuming leafwiz already existed14:13
fsmithredmason likes to tinker with foundations. Guess I shouldn't be surprised.14:14
* fsmithred passes mason a block of granite14:14
leafwizfsmithred Also good to know. Thanks for the help :)14:14
fsmithredyw14:14
masonheh14:19
masonfsmithred: Funny you should put it that way. PM incoming.14:19
fsmithred:)14:20
leafwizI think this prob is a vlc question, but I can ask here as well. Maybe it is something on the os level. I am trying to access multicast streams through vlc15:16
masonAh, I love VLC but I only use it with local media.15:17
leafwizudp://@224.0.57.127:10000 - I can see that vlc is connecting up a socket in netstat -nla15:17
leafwizbut tcpdump does not show any packets15:17
leafwizI can see incomming igmp msgs15:17
leafwizyeah, vlc has worked good in the past. Just this time it seems not to be cooperating with me15:18
leafwizI think my url is correct, I have tried with rtp as well , but no packets in tcpdump15:18
leafwizI would not need to set any sysctl settings right?15:20
leafwizand iptables -L does not show anything, so there is no fw activated on a default devuan install?15:21
r3bootleafwiz: are you sending igmp join requests && are they being answered?15:23
leafwizr3boot No it seems I'm not sending igmp join requests. This is my issue.15:25
leafwizby going to ctrl+n in vlc I have put in rtp://@224.0.57.127:10000 as the network url. and pressed play. I think this would have generated an igmp request, but I can not see any in tcpdump15:26
leafwizI see that there is a socket made in netstat -nla on that address15:26
leafwizthough15:26
r3bootIt will only send those if your interface is configured for multicast. Can you check with ip link show <devicename> and verify that you see multicast there?15:26
leafwiz2: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP mode DEFAULT group default qlen 100015:29
Akuliseems like igmp uses a tcp socket, so maybe the request actually works and something else is broken?15:32
leafwizaha.. I found out what the issue was15:36
leafwizvlc conects up to wlan015:36
leafwiznot eth015:36
crashoverrides/con/&n/15:38
leafwizBut is now generating beautiful packets on my eth0 int15:45
leafwizBut yeah, sorry for the newbie questions.15:52
clortcrashoverride you the same crashoverride from 2001 on opennap17:24
crashoverrideclort: nope17:32
ServiceRobotgood afternoon gents17:32
xinomilofsmithred, just booted r10_runit-20201024_1516.iso17:55
golinuxgents? really?  in 2020?18:06
clortwho here know kernel stuf. do we have command queueing for a2 microsd in linux kernel, or not? https://lore.kernel.org/patchwork/cover/830605/18:14
ferpvhello, can somebody explain what do those remaining systemd files in devuan?20:20
hagbard_ferpv: most packages in devuan come from debian. So those contain files that would allow them to work with systemd.20:22
ferpvthanks hagbard. My first intention was to remove them, but then I must do it with care or not remove it at all.20:35
hagbard_You can also simply ignore them.20:36
ferpvyes, I'll ignore.20:38
golinuxferpv: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=192520:38
ferpvgolinux: thanks for the link, it exposed as clearly as hagbard did.20:43
fsmithredit would be evil to remove them20:43
fsmithredjust as it's evil to remove sysvinit scripts from the packages20:44
ferpvyes, 'locate systemd | wc -l gave 65 files20:44
golinuxRemoving them would also be a waste of time.20:46
golinuxLydia_K did remove them in jessie but then the floodgates opened and it became an exercise in futility20:47
ham5urgI'm just curious about X and Wayland. As I'm not much into it but suspicious about big player involvement (like SystemD) I would like to ask if someone's here who could say that Wayland is good stuff or not?21:38
fsmithreddid you see discussion about that at slashdot today?21:41
Wonkaremember how I complained about pdns-recursor losing its init.d skript? Guess what, pdns-server lost it too!23:14
fsmithredare they both from the same source package?23:15
DocScrutinizer05hi any news re "pdns"?23:16
DocScrutinizer05oops too late23:16
Wonkafsmithred: there are source packages "pdns" and "pdns-recursor".23:20
Wonkafsmithred: the former one has 13 related binary packages, the latter only one.23:20
Wonkafsmithred: so, no, they're not23:20
fsmithrednot sure if we're keeping a list of packages that lose their init scripts23:21
Wonka"* Follow upstream init support changes. Upstream has moved around socket dir and there are known issues with the init scripts. Operators will be better off just using the systemd units instead." is the changelog comment from some versions back.23:21
Wonkano idea what those issues with the init scripts could be, the old one works for me23:22
fsmithredlol23:23
DocScrutinizer05>>moved around socket dir<< maybe? is the "hardcoded" into the initscript somehow?23:23
WonkaI see one /var/run/pdns/pdns.controlsocket being listened on by pdns-server23:28
Wonkamatching the comment from /etc/powerdns/pdns.conf23:29
Wonka# socket-dir    Where the controlsocket will live, /var/run/pdns when unset and not chrooted23:29
Wonkathe initscript uses pdns_control23:31
Wonkauh, I start nodding off... gotta suspend to bed23:32

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