crashoverride | 1. Alright | 00:00 |
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crashoverride | 2. wait! | 00:00 |
crashoverride | 3. feeeew | 00:00 |
crashoverride | 4. oh | 00:00 |
crashoverride | 5. that | 00:00 |
crashoverride | 6. was | 00:00 |
crashoverride | 7. close | 00:00 |
crashoverride | 8. no! | 00:00 |
crashoverride | 9. why | 00:00 |
crashoverride | 10. maybe | 00:00 |
crashoverride | and with that, I can be glad that #devuan does not have an aggressive ban bot. | 00:01 |
crashoverride | also, we can allbe glad that you said 10 and not 100 or 999 | 00:02 |
golinux | Please take it to offtopic | 00:02 |
suavedandy | We may not have an aggressive ban bot. | 00:02 |
suavedandy | But we have aggressive ban people. | 00:02 |
crashoverride | surely they have some humour ;) | 00:02 |
suavedandy | D O U B T | 00:03 |
golinux | No, we have devs who are doing the work that you use having to slog through this silliness to find useful problems that may need fixing | 00:04 |
crashoverride | well, doubt all you want, I'll crash now. | 00:04 |
crashoverride | o/ | 00:04 |
golinux | It's annoying and very ungrateful of you to do that to them | 00:04 |
golinux | Byeeeeee . . . | 00:05 |
suavedandy | You've upsetted golinux, Crash. Great. | 00:05 |
suavedandy | Damn. | 00:05 |
xrogaan | Alright, update on thunderbird and my PGP issue: it was my mistake. My key aliases were not properly configured. | 01:17 |
xrogaan | But, it's impossible to update the key within thunderbird. you have to delete it and reimport it. | 01:17 |
* icemodding hi ppl! :-) | 01:42 | |
leafwiz | Hello. I added my user to /etc/groups by using usermod -G netdev leafwiz. I was then added. But after a reboot my entry is removed? | 12:36 |
leafwiz | And I wonder why this is happening? | 12:36 |
leafwiz | because wicd is giving a complaint that it can not start due to lacking netdev group privs. | 12:38 |
gnarface | should not have happened | 12:38 |
gnarface | you verified the groups file you thought would be changed actually changed before you rebooted? | 12:38 |
gnarface | fyi though you should have only had to log out | 12:38 |
leafwiz | jupp, have verified. I get removed from all groups | 12:41 |
leafwiz | after a reboot | 12:41 |
leafwiz | Got removed from sudo, and netdev | 12:41 |
gnarface | that's really weird, never heard of that before | 12:41 |
leafwiz | I have the latest install. Installed from live-cd | 12:41 |
gnarface | was this a fresh install or a upgrade from debian? | 12:41 |
leafwiz | Fresh | 12:42 |
gnarface | hmm, install from livecd though | 12:42 |
leafwiz | 1 week ago | 12:42 |
gnarface | i wonder if that has something to do with it | 12:42 |
gnarface | might be a livecd installer bug | 12:42 |
gnarface | it's different from the netinstall, you know | 12:42 |
leafwiz | aha | 12:43 |
gnarface | because that also sounds like something a live image would do | 12:44 |
leafwiz | Its a bit strange. It like something is copying in a fresh /etc/groups file | 12:44 |
gnarface | but i would expect everything to reset | 12:44 |
leafwiz | aha.. yeah, its like i'm running a livecd | 12:44 |
leafwiz | I would think one could reproduce my results by doing a live-cd install | 13:18 |
gnarface | fsmithred: have you seen this? | 13:21 |
fsmithred | just got here. Let me catch up. | 13:31 |
fsmithred | leafwiz, I've done hundreds or thousands of installs with that installer. Tell me a little more about what you did. | 13:33 |
leafwiz | fsmithred: Sure, I did a live install where i in the process made two partitions. One small FAT32 , then ext3, then linux swap. I followed the tutorial for installing the system. I think I choose the standard install options | 13:35 |
leafwiz | I used the latest live-cd install image which was DD-ed to my usb-key | 13:36 |
fsmithred | did you change user name during the install, or did you add yourself as a second user after rebooting? | 13:36 |
fsmithred | or somethine else? | 13:36 |
leafwiz | I think I changed the username in the install | 13:36 |
fsmithred | is the system running now? | 13:37 |
fsmithred | df -h | 13:37 |
leafwiz | yes | 13:37 |
fsmithred | don't paste it here | 13:37 |
leafwiz | Sure pastebin | 13:37 |
fsmithred | but verify that you're on a hard drive and not in /run/live/whatever | 13:37 |
fsmithred | there should be refractainstaller.log in user's home. I'd like to see that. Either paste it or mail it to me at gee mail. | 13:40 |
fsmithred | gmail | 13:40 |
leafwiz | https://pastebin.com/cvBJe9gX | 13:43 |
fsmithred | looks ok | 13:44 |
leafwiz | cool | 13:44 |
fsmithred | also looks like you're logged in as primary user (1000) | 13:44 |
fsmithred | so you should have already been in the netdev group | 13:45 |
fsmithred | there's only one user directory under /home? | 13:45 |
leafwiz | jupp | 13:46 |
leafwiz | just my user | 13:46 |
fsmithred | and the usermod command worked, didn't tell you "command not found" or anything else odd? | 13:47 |
leafwiz | No. I just did usermod -G netdev leafwiz | 13:47 |
fsmithred | shouldn't that be -aG? | 13:48 |
fsmithred | I always use adduser | 13:48 |
mason | leafwiz: what's ls -l /etc/group look like? I'm interested in the mtime. | 13:48 |
fsmithred | just run groups or id and it will show you | 13:48 |
leafwiz | aha.. maybe that is what I do wrong | 13:48 |
leafwiz | yeah, that is prob it | 13:48 |
fsmithred | probably that you are only in one group now | 13:48 |
leafwiz | brb | 13:49 |
fsmithred | do usermod -G leafwiz | 13:49 |
fsmithred | first | 13:49 |
fsmithred | then append the rest | 13:49 |
mason | Ooh. "If the user is currently a member of a group which is not listed, the user will be removed from the group." | 13:49 |
fsmithred | (not sure if that's necessary, but that's what I"d do) | 13:49 |
mason | fsmithred: leafwiz: ^ | 13:49 |
fsmithred | yup | 13:49 |
leafwiz | okay, I am now member of sudo, netdev and leafwiz | 13:50 |
leafwiz | going to do a reboot now | 13:50 |
mason | leafwiz: Wait a sec. | 13:50 |
leafwiz | waiting | 13:50 |
fsmithred | cdrom floppy audio dip plugdev netdev | 13:50 |
mason | Consider the whole list of groups noted in /etc/adduser.conf | 13:50 |
leafwiz | my user should be member of those groups? | 13:52 |
mason | leafwiz: It's what the installer tends to give you, so you may well run into things that need them. Easier to add them now and not have to figure it out in future. | 13:53 |
leafwiz | sure | 13:53 |
mason | leafwiz: I've bitten myself by not including them in the past, at various points. | 13:53 |
r3boot | 5 | 13:53 |
mason | (My installs tend to be debootstrap-based and I'll adduser myself at the end, and I've taken to being more consistent about groups to save pain.) | 13:53 |
fsmithred | plugdev is for mounting removable drives | 13:54 |
leafwiz | okay, I added them now | 13:54 |
fsmithred | I think dip is for dialup | 13:54 |
fsmithred | I guess there are still some places where you can use that | 13:54 |
fsmithred | I hope you're good now. I need to go bring in some firewood. Back in a few minutes. | 13:55 |
leafwiz | Thank you, I will do a reboot now | 13:56 |
leafwiz | Se how things are | 13:56 |
leafwiz | did a reboot now, and all is good. So I learned that I need -aG when modifying groups | 14:00 |
mason | leafwiz: You can also use vigr(8) - it's what I tend to do. | 14:03 |
mason | It's like vipw, but for groups. | 14:03 |
leafwiz | Okay, cool. Good to know. | 14:03 |
fsmithred | adduser leafwiz netdev | 14:12 |
fsmithred | would also have worked | 14:12 |
fsmithred | assuming leafwiz already existed | 14:13 |
fsmithred | mason likes to tinker with foundations. Guess I shouldn't be surprised. | 14:14 |
* fsmithred passes mason a block of granite | 14:14 | |
leafwiz | fsmithred Also good to know. Thanks for the help :) | 14:14 |
fsmithred | yw | 14:14 |
mason | heh | 14:19 |
mason | fsmithred: Funny you should put it that way. PM incoming. | 14:19 |
fsmithred | :) | 14:20 |
leafwiz | I think this prob is a vlc question, but I can ask here as well. Maybe it is something on the os level. I am trying to access multicast streams through vlc | 15:16 |
mason | Ah, I love VLC but I only use it with local media. | 15:17 |
leafwiz | udp://@224.0.57.127:10000 - I can see that vlc is connecting up a socket in netstat -nla | 15:17 |
leafwiz | but tcpdump does not show any packets | 15:17 |
leafwiz | I can see incomming igmp msgs | 15:17 |
leafwiz | yeah, vlc has worked good in the past. Just this time it seems not to be cooperating with me | 15:18 |
leafwiz | I think my url is correct, I have tried with rtp as well , but no packets in tcpdump | 15:18 |
leafwiz | I would not need to set any sysctl settings right? | 15:20 |
leafwiz | and iptables -L does not show anything, so there is no fw activated on a default devuan install? | 15:21 |
r3boot | leafwiz: are you sending igmp join requests && are they being answered? | 15:23 |
leafwiz | r3boot No it seems I'm not sending igmp join requests. This is my issue. | 15:25 |
leafwiz | by going to ctrl+n in vlc I have put in rtp://@224.0.57.127:10000 as the network url. and pressed play. I think this would have generated an igmp request, but I can not see any in tcpdump | 15:26 |
leafwiz | I see that there is a socket made in netstat -nla on that address | 15:26 |
leafwiz | though | 15:26 |
r3boot | It will only send those if your interface is configured for multicast. Can you check with ip link show <devicename> and verify that you see multicast there? | 15:26 |
leafwiz | 2: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000 | 15:29 |
Akuli | seems like igmp uses a tcp socket, so maybe the request actually works and something else is broken? | 15:32 |
leafwiz | aha.. I found out what the issue was | 15:36 |
leafwiz | vlc conects up to wlan0 | 15:36 |
leafwiz | not eth0 | 15:36 |
crashoverride | s/con/&n/ | 15:38 |
leafwiz | But is now generating beautiful packets on my eth0 int | 15:45 |
leafwiz | But yeah, sorry for the newbie questions. | 15:52 |
clort | crashoverride you the same crashoverride from 2001 on opennap | 17:24 |
crashoverride | clort: nope | 17:32 |
ServiceRobot | good afternoon gents | 17:32 |
xinomilo | fsmithred, just booted r10_runit-20201024_1516.iso | 17:55 |
golinux | gents? really? in 2020? | 18:06 |
clort | who here know kernel stuf. do we have command queueing for a2 microsd in linux kernel, or not? https://lore.kernel.org/patchwork/cover/830605/ | 18:14 |
ferpv | hello, can somebody explain what do those remaining systemd files in devuan? | 20:20 |
hagbard_ | ferpv: most packages in devuan come from debian. So those contain files that would allow them to work with systemd. | 20:22 |
ferpv | thanks hagbard. My first intention was to remove them, but then I must do it with care or not remove it at all. | 20:35 |
hagbard_ | You can also simply ignore them. | 20:36 |
ferpv | yes, I'll ignore. | 20:38 |
golinux | ferpv: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1925 | 20:38 |
ferpv | golinux: thanks for the link, it exposed as clearly as hagbard did. | 20:43 |
fsmithred | it would be evil to remove them | 20:43 |
fsmithred | just as it's evil to remove sysvinit scripts from the packages | 20:44 |
ferpv | yes, 'locate systemd | wc -l gave 65 files | 20:44 |
golinux | Removing them would also be a waste of time. | 20:46 |
golinux | Lydia_K did remove them in jessie but then the floodgates opened and it became an exercise in futility | 20:47 |
ham5urg | I'm just curious about X and Wayland. As I'm not much into it but suspicious about big player involvement (like SystemD) I would like to ask if someone's here who could say that Wayland is good stuff or not? | 21:38 |
fsmithred | did you see discussion about that at slashdot today? | 21:41 |
Wonka | remember how I complained about pdns-recursor losing its init.d skript? Guess what, pdns-server lost it too! | 23:14 |
fsmithred | are they both from the same source package? | 23:15 |
DocScrutinizer05 | hi any news re "pdns"? | 23:16 |
DocScrutinizer05 | oops too late | 23:16 |
Wonka | fsmithred: there are source packages "pdns" and "pdns-recursor". | 23:20 |
Wonka | fsmithred: the former one has 13 related binary packages, the latter only one. | 23:20 |
Wonka | fsmithred: so, no, they're not | 23:20 |
fsmithred | not sure if we're keeping a list of packages that lose their init scripts | 23:21 |
Wonka | "* Follow upstream init support changes. Upstream has moved around socket dir and there are known issues with the init scripts. Operators will be better off just using the systemd units instead." is the changelog comment from some versions back. | 23:21 |
Wonka | no idea what those issues with the init scripts could be, the old one works for me | 23:22 |
fsmithred | lol | 23:23 |
DocScrutinizer05 | >>moved around socket dir<< maybe? is the "hardcoded" into the initscript somehow? | 23:23 |
Wonka | I see one /var/run/pdns/pdns.controlsocket being listened on by pdns-server | 23:28 |
Wonka | matching the comment from /etc/powerdns/pdns.conf | 23:29 |
Wonka | # socket-dir Where the controlsocket will live, /var/run/pdns when unset and not chrooted | 23:29 |
Wonka | the initscript uses pdns_control | 23:31 |
Wonka | uh, I start nodding off... gotta suspend to bed | 23:32 |
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