| u3 | new to devuan, internet connection works but synaptic does not seem to connect to any repos, only says DVD not available. How can I start managing packages? | 01:31 |
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| clort | i don't know synaptic, i use 'apt' command from terminal | 01:32 |
| clort | apt update should update your package cache | 01:32 |
| n4dir | I don't know synaptic, but you probably want to open /etc/apt/sources.list | 01:32 |
| clort | hehe | 01:32 |
| n4dir | and remove whatever looks like a CD or DVD entry | 01:32 |
| n4dir | or even better: comment it. | 01:32 |
| clort | seems like installed devuan shouldn't have that | 01:32 |
| n4dir | There should be a simlar thing in synaptic. | 01:32 |
| clort | ? | 01:32 |
| n4dir | If you can't find it at all, i can quickly install synaptic and have a look, but it should be most natural | 01:33 |
| clort | i shouldn't even try to help | 01:33 |
| n4dir | u3: the other thing is that it seems (it seems!) now and then the repos have a "bad" connection. Give it a few minutes in such a case, and try again. in my experience that suffices | 01:33 |
| u3 | and "I" have never heard of apt, is that something you eat? But I will take a look at sources.list :) | 01:34 |
| clort | synaptic scares me a bit | 01:34 |
| n4dir | apt is the command line tool/application you use to update sources.list, install packages, remove packages, upgrade, and so on | 01:34 |
| n4dir | ok, let me quickly install it. But honestly: there is no need to be worried | 01:35 |
| n4dir | The package manages system is pretty robust, it isn't easy to break it, as long you stick to the official sources | 01:35 |
| clort | sometiems i need to update a couple times to get to the repository | 01:35 |
| n4dir | u3: if you are not fine just say. It is late here and all. In addition english isn't my native language | 01:36 |
| golinux | Check repo status here: https://pad.dyne.org/code/#/2/code/edit/tN3MmZBYALCPP+iCPVR2JlJO/ | 01:36 |
| golinux | Nononono! Bad paste. | 01:37 |
| golinux | http://borta.devuan.dev/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html | 01:37 |
| u3 | sources.list is all commented except CD, blurb about "A network mirror was not selected during install" ..like a noob fr5eshie would know how to select repos. sO do I uncomment them all? | 01:38 |
| n4dir | ok, u3 open synaptic, go to the menu: Settings. The second entry is: Repositories. | 01:38 |
| n4dir | Click on that and remove the clicked thing for the DVD or CD, if it is there | 01:38 |
| n4dir | or do it in the file /etc/apt/sources.list | 01:39 |
| n4dir | whatever you prefer | 01:39 |
| n4dir | golinux: you may well jump in, i am not too informed about some devuan internals | 01:40 |
| clort | maybe the installer could tell noobs 'you will need to select an online mirror to download software from the internet' | 01:41 |
| golinux | Debian/Devuan are not noob distros. You have to rtfm. | 01:41 |
| golinux | There are install guides here https://devuan.org/os/install with screenshot. | 01:42 |
| n4dir | u3: that is my sources.list. I am pretty sure it is default debian, i added contrib and non-free and commented the *-src repos, as not needed. http://paste.debian.net/1169161/ | 01:42 |
| n4dir | ups: devuan, not debian, sorry | 01:43 |
| golinux | You should never use debian repos diurectly on devuan | 01:43 |
| golinux | :) | 01:43 |
| n4dir | found an entry of debian in there, security or such. No idea how it got there. Perhaps via librazik repos, though they are usually in sources.list.d | 01:44 |
| n4dir | oh my. But no harm yet, it seems. | 01:44 |
| u3 | I cannot edit the sources.list, cannot get a superuser file-manager going like I can in Suse and synaptic just keeps throwing up the same bit about the CD. | 01:45 |
| n4dir | u3: did you try what i wrote above? menu -> Settings -> Repositories | 01:45 |
| golinux | n4dir: This will help you understand how the devuan repos work https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3192 | 01:46 |
| n4dir | thanks. | 01:46 |
| golinux | And this https://git.devuan.org/devuan/amprolla3/src/branch/main/README.md | 01:48 |
| u3 | yes, it says "repos changed", I hit 'reload' it says 'could not download all repo indexes'. like I said it doesn't connect to anyithing, probably because the sources.list has everything except the CD commented out. | 01:48 |
| n4dir | u3: did you get anywhere yet? | 01:50 |
| n4dir | ups, sorry, was confused | 01:50 |
| u3 | no, I could try joe as root but will probably just soil the floor instead so I'm goingtto boot a goto system and edit every coment mark out of the sources.list. Later :) | 01:51 |
| n4dir | many ways to skin a cat, it seems :-) | 01:51 |
| n4dir | golinux: yeah, i assumed it is kinda like that, but good to have read it at least once. | 01:53 |
| u3 | edited...done. Synaptic is updating repos. Thanks. | 02:04 |
| n4dir | ah, cool. Enjoy then :-) | 02:04 |
| u3 | item #2: No sound, try to load pulse to set speaker or headset but all I get is "Establishing connection, please wait" | 02:06 |
| u3 | come to think of it, maybe first I'll just upgrade whatever will upgrade :) | 02:08 |
| fsmithred | u3 see the release notes about pulseaudio. | 02:08 |
| fsmithred | one file to edit | 02:09 |
| n4dir | audio is a weird subject, quite some know about it though. But if you don't get an answer here, you may try #opensourcemusicians or #lau (well: looks like someone has a clue ... :-) ) | 02:09 |
| u3 | something evil, should I look for other ways to get sound? | 02:09 |
| fsmithred | yes, you should edit the right file so that PA will autospawn | 02:10 |
| fsmithred | it's /etc/pulse/something or other | 02:10 |
| fsmithred | instructions are in the release notes and in the comments in the file | 02:10 |
| fsmithred | you can use 'su -' to get root and the use nano to edit the file | 02:11 |
| u3 | ok, will give that nano try | 02:11 |
| n4dir | no quick intro to vim ? i am disappointed ... muah-ha-ha | 02:14 |
| fsmithred | no, 'cause then if he has more questions, I might have to answer. | 02:15 |
| fsmithred | nano has built-in instructions | 02:15 |
| n4dir | i am not kidding: whenever i open nano i can't make any sense of it. Yes, i see the instructions, of course, but .... muscle memory i assume | 02:16 |
| n4dir | by no means much in vim, thats not my point | 02:17 |
| u3 | very cute girls, very cute. I think I'll just call it for tonight, in most distros sound JUST WORKS. I've already fixed the synaptic thingie, I'll update soime and try devuan again tomorrow same time same station :) | 02:18 |
| fsmithred | Pulseaudio is designed to JUST WORK with systemd. Without it you have to either comment or uncomment one line in a file. | 02:21 |
| n4dir | comment autospawn=no in ... give me a sec | 02:21 |
| n4dir | damn, grep gives several results, could well be /etc/pulse/client.conf.d/00-disable-autospawn.conf:autospawn=no | 02:22 |
| n4dir | shit knows why it works here, but if at all i start it as a jack thing | 02:23 |
| fsmithred | tjat | 02:23 |
| fsmithred | that one | 02:23 |
| fsmithred | uh, that file name is a little longer than normal | 02:23 |
| systemdlete2 | Just upgraded thunderbird to the latest on ascii, and now aol/yahoo accounts don't work, whereas they were working until I upgraded. The error is weird. | 02:26 |
| systemdlete2 | Thunderbird pops open a window, fills in the userid or email id, and as soon as I hit enter (to get to enter the password), it tells me "Please reload the page and try again or use another browser." | 02:27 |
| systemdlete2 | Thunderbird itself opened the f-ing window for pete sakes. why would a user have to re-open a window themselves, when it was JUST opened by tbird? | 02:27 |
| systemdlete2 | (and, yes, I plan to move off yahoo and aol accounts, so let's not go there) | 02:28 |
| systemdlete2 | (these are legacy accounts which I will be shutting down fairly soon) | 02:28 |
| systemdlete2 | I know this is not the thunderbird channel, but maybe others here have run into this same mayhem. | 02:28 |
| systemdlete2 | btw, I changed absolutely NOTHING since before the upgrade of tbird. My aol and yahoo accounts were working with their new scheme (OAuth?) for days since Oct 20 which was the cutoff for user accounts on their platforms. | 02:31 |
| systemdlete2 | I say "weird" because it fails BEFORE it gets to the password page. | 02:31 |
| systemdlete2 | The accounts are definitely good because I can log in with firefox | 02:32 |
| * systemdlete2 's ears are now belching smoke | 02:33 | |
| golinux | systemde | 02:56 |
| golinux | systemdlete2: Did you try clearing cache and cookies? | 02:56 |
| golinux | And maybe history for those domains? | 02:57 |
| systemdlete2 | in thunderbird you mean? | 02:58 |
| systemdlete2 | (no I didn't) | 02:58 |
| systemdlete2 | that browser window, btw, seems to be the builtin browser in tbird itself | 02:58 |
| golinux | I was thinking browser but yeah maybe in your client then | 02:59 |
| systemdlete2 | I went into tbird's prefs and cleared ALL the cookies. Didn't help. | 03:00 |
| systemdlete2 | Do I need to restart tbird after clearing cookies? Do I need to reboot the computer? Turn it over and shake it (in 2020 yet...)? Maybe call Microsoft tech support or something? Egads. | 03:00 |
| systemdlete2 | Does tbird do anything like... uhm... Idk, "testing?" BEFORE it pushes code out? | 03:01 |
| * systemdlete2 apologizes for all the pith, but he is ANNOYED | 03:01 | |
| clort | haven't used thunderbird myself so i can't assist systemdlete2 | 03:09 |
| systemdlete2 | nw, clort. | 03:09 |
| clort | not every FOSS software project is perfect | 03:10 |
| clort | :) | 03:10 |
| clort | i sit in a big pile of broken all day | 03:11 |
| systemdlete2 | to me, in my narrow view of software development, testing is not a matter of perfection. It is an essential aspect. | 03:11 |
| systemdlete2 | sorry to hear that clort! | 03:11 |
| systemdlete2 | (we all do, actually) | 03:11 |
| clort | it means there's always something to do | 03:11 |
| systemdlete2 | $$$ ? | 03:11 |
| systemdlete2 | lol | 03:11 |
| systemdlete2 | iow, it all goes back to the old adage: Out of chaos come jobs. | 03:12 |
| clort | it is my duty to give all i reasonably can | 03:12 |
| systemdlete2 | as it is mine also | 03:12 |
| * icemodding hello ppl! :-D | 03:30 | |
| systemdlete2 | I enabled getting cookied in thunderbird and, viola!, now I can connect and get emails again with yahoo and aol. | 09:19 |
| systemdlete2 | (sorry for poor french spelling) | 09:19 |
| systemdlete2 | Anyway, if anyone else gets bitten by this tbird upgrade, that's how I was able to "fix" it. | 09:20 |
| gnarface | good tip, systemdlete2 but you shouldn't use either of those mail services | 09:38 |
| gnarface | they're both fundamentally insecure at an actual architectural design level | 09:38 |
| gnarface | it's actually illegal (criminal negligence) but good luck finding a court smart enough to understand the argument | 09:39 |
| gnarface | anyway whatever you do don't use them for trusted communication, or for communication with anyone you want to trust you | 09:39 |
| systemdlete2 | As I stated above (parenthetically), I plan to move off these soon. They are legacy accounts, created at a time when google and some others were not working for me. | 09:39 |
| gnarface | sorry, i'm just obsessed lately with warning people about those two in particular | 09:40 |
| systemdlete2 | One is for ipfire correspondence, but I've dumped ipfire. So that will not be used going forward. The other was for a variety of things, none of which I use anymore really like centos, etc. I'm a devuan fanboy now. | 09:41 |
| systemdlete2 | :D | 09:41 |
| systemdlete2 | What I want to do is comb through and see if there was anything I cared about and re-set the email address for those sites if I think I still might need them in the future. But I am lazy (as you know) and just haven't gotten to that yet. | 09:42 |
| systemdlete2 | I appreciate your admonitions. Always useful info. | 09:42 |
| systemdlete2 | I was never a fan of AOL, in particular, from its earliest days. I signed up with them, briefly, in the mid-80s when they were still a little outfit working out of the founder's basement. I ended up closing the account very quickly. Back then, AOL was a bit different, more like compuserve, iirc. | 09:43 |
| systemdlete2 | Yahoo was OK for a long time, overall. But since its murder... er, I mean, merger... with AOL, it went downhill. | 09:44 |
| systemdlete2 | I tossed all those coffee coasters they used to send me. I have real ones now. | 09:45 |
| systemdlete2 | (Those *were* coffee coasters, right? Right?) | 09:45 |
| gnarface | hehe | 09:45 |
| gnarface | after about 3 seconds in the microwave to sterilize them, yes | 09:46 |
| systemdlete2 | I tried actually using them as software, but they didn't work and sometimes ate my hard disk. | 09:46 |
| systemdlete2 | "Always Off Line" | 09:47 |
| systemdlete2 | never had enough dial-ups available. Fun days back then. | 09:47 |
| golinux | Maybe offtopic channel would be better? | 09:48 |
| gnarface | yes, sorry | 09:48 |
| systemdlete2 | right | 09:48 |
| golinux | Thanks | 09:49 |
| attos | When I'm running "apt update" on my Laptop (Devuan GNU/Linux ascii) there are repository errors (http://ix.io/2Cu9). I mentioned this since yesterday. | 13:20 |
| attos | My sources.list: http://ix.io/2Cuc | 13:26 |
| gnarface | attos: use paste.debian.net and i'll look at it | 13:26 |
| attos | Repo errors: http://paste.debian.net/1169210/ | 13:30 |
| gnarface | don't use that hostname, use deb.devuan.org | 13:31 |
| gnarface | and just an aside, you probably shouldn't leave backports enabled | 13:31 |
| gnarface | it's better to use then remove | 13:31 |
| gnarface | like for one or two specific packages or package sets | 13:32 |
| gnarface | i would strongly recommend ever just running a general upgrade from backports | 13:32 |
| gnarface | recommend against* | 13:32 |
| gnarface | sorry | 13:32 |
| attos | Thank you. Now it works again. | 13:34 |
| gnarface | no problem | 13:36 |
| n4dir | first time i hear someone recommending to remove/comment backports repos once you installed a package from there. | 13:43 |
| n4dir | cause if you have a package installed, you want to get the upgrades for it | 13:44 |
| fsmithred | n4dir, some people are a little nervous about doing that because there have been a couple of times that the prority of backports was wrong, and regular upgrade pulled in unwanted stuff from backports. | 13:48 |
| fsmithred | I usually add a pin file so that doesn't happen. (again) | 13:48 |
| n4dir | weird. | 13:48 |
| fsmithred | I think it's been like that in debian at some time. | 13:49 |
| gnarface | yes, there's bits of backports that are allergic to each other sometimes, i've found | 14:35 |
| gnarface | you want to avoid using too much of it at once | 14:35 |
| fsmithred | But you can be the first one to test those combinations! | 14:36 |
| fsmithred | fuck, we're in the wrong channel for this | 14:41 |
| kizano | LoL | 14:41 |
| fsmithred | no, | 14:41 |
| fsmithred | now I'm bitching in the wrong channel | 14:41 |
| fsmithred | MORE COOFE! | 14:42 |
| n4dir | gnarface: sure, but disabling the repo after installing a package is something different than installing too much from backports. | 14:45 |
| n4dir | gotta say that i hardly care to even enable backports | 14:46 |
| gnarface | n4dir: that's exactly my problem with it though; i found that leaving backports enabled eventually became synonymous with installing too much from backports | 14:47 |
| n4dir | never happened to me that something gets installed from backports without me telling it. If it happens, as mentioned by fsmithred, this is a serious problem. It shouldn't | 14:48 |
| gnarface | keep in mind that the reason a lot of backports stuff isn't in stable is because it breaks for some people even though it fixes it for others | 14:48 |
| n4dir | Still not sure where you got that info from. | 14:48 |
| gnarface | it's offtopic, but it's kinda fundamental to the reasoning behind not allowing major version updates in stable | 14:49 |
| fsmithred | The stuff in backports does not all get tested together. Pretty sure debian states that clearly somewhere. | 14:50 |
| xrogaan | It really shouldn't be a hard rule though. Sometimes the softwares in stable are so old they become useless. | 15:35 |
| clort | do i want to run elogind-daemon for single-user workstation? i can't remember | 19:39 |
| fsmithred | clort, elogind makes stuff work on the desktop, like shutdown/reboot | 19:56 |
| fsmithred | also lets you run X as unpriv user | 19:57 |
| clort | oh yes that was it, thanks | 19:58 |
| fsmithred | it's a fork of logind, so if you're rabidly anti-systemd, you might not want it. | 19:58 |
| fsmithred | I'm happy it exists. | 19:59 |
| clort | Xorg running as root anyway | 19:59 |
| clort | why | 19:59 |
| fsmithred | yeah, it is. I don't know. Check /usr/bin/X - mine is running as user | 19:59 |
| clort | X belongs to root and points to Xorg which is a script that execs stuf from /usr/lib/xorg | 20:03 |
| clort | Xorg.wrap is suid | 20:03 |
| fsmithred | oh, you have xserver-xorg-legacy? | 20:04 |
| fsmithred | and "needs root rights"? | 20:04 |
| clort | no | 20:05 |
| fsmithred | any/which display manager? | 20:05 |
| clort | package xserver-xorg Version: 1:7.7+21 | 20:05 |
| clort | yeah some display manager i can never remember | 20:05 |
| clort | i used to boot to console and startx | 20:05 |
| clort | then it stopped working so i went to display managers | 20:06 |
| fsmithred | there are tricks to make it work again | 20:06 |
| fsmithred | elogind is one of them | 20:06 |
| fsmithred | you're probably using slim or lightdm | 20:06 |
| clort | yeah that's happy. i should probably go back to that | 20:06 |
| clort | but how often do i boot anyway... it's not worth faffing with | 20:06 |
| fsmithred | I'm using lxdm. Don't know if that makes a difference. | 20:07 |
| fsmithred | right | 20:07 |
| clort | maybe its cause i'm on arm | 20:07 |
| fsmithred | you'll think of this again next month when you do reboot | 20:07 |
| fsmithred | oh, maybe. I have to shut down to get rid of dust a few times a year. | 20:07 |
| clort | fanless life for me now | 20:08 |
| clort | silent room | 20:08 |
| fsmithred | nice | 20:08 |
| clort | the upgrade ratrace is over, the fanny x86 is over, the spinny rust is over. just zen silence. | 20:10 |
| clort | did i show my happy passive cooling mod for the jetson nano? | 20:12 |
| clort | just a radiator from a broken graphics card stuck to it | 20:13 |
| fsmithred | no, but I can picture something | 20:13 |
| fsmithred | oh, ok. I pictured something like a circuit board tacked to a wall with a small table fan aimed at it. | 20:13 |
| clort | ah but that wouldn't be fanless :) | 20:14 |
| fsmithred | oh, good point | 20:14 |
| clort | well only 8 more tests to go | 23:10 |
| clort | oops wrong chan | 23:10 |
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