| suavedandy | crashoverride: Old? I thought Debian is the one that's old here. | 00:06 |
|---|---|---|
| suavedandy | Seems to be rolling at the pace of Ubuntu. | 00:07 |
| laidback_01 | nixos is 10 years younger than debian.. debian 1993 start, nixos 2003 | 00:07 |
| crashoverride | suavedandy: nah but debian is antedeluvian | 00:08 |
| crashoverride | that's another time scale. | 00:08 |
| suavedandy | crashoverride: GNU Guix? | 00:08 |
| crashoverride | oh wow. | 00:08 |
| laidback_01 | suavedandy, you seem to be looking for a specific combination of simplicity and customization - try https://guix.gnu.org/ | 00:08 |
| laidback_01 | oh, nevermind | 00:09 |
| suavedandy | LOL. | 00:09 |
| laidback_01 | lol, you beat me to it. | 00:09 |
| crashoverride | OMFG. | 00:10 |
| crashoverride | rvm requires bash as a hard dep. | 00:11 |
| crashoverride | like, you can't even source their code if it's not on bash. | 00:11 |
| crashoverride | ok, well, good to know. | 00:11 |
| crashoverride | they could warn tho. | 00:11 |
| suavedandy | I wonder. If Steam is close-sauce then how do you get it outside your distro's repo? | 00:11 |
| crashoverride | curl, wget, any http supporting socket implementation that writes to disk? | 00:12 |
| suavedandy | I mean, those distros that are blessed by Stallman don't have any binary stuff. | 00:12 |
| crashoverride | yeah they do | 00:12 |
| crashoverride | how do you run code that isn't compiled? | 00:12 |
| laidback_01 | he means closed-source binaries | 00:12 |
| crashoverride | you type binary by hand for the CPU to execute, all the while reading the code and interpreting it yourself? | 00:12 |
| laidback_01 | think... nvidia, mycom, etc. | 00:12 |
| suavedandy | Yep. | 00:13 |
| suavedandy | So in case I'll need Steam or something I can go screw myself. | 00:13 |
| suavedandy | Tho I can try biting the bullet. | 00:13 |
| crashoverride | nah | 00:14 |
| crashoverride | here's my solution | 00:14 |
| crashoverride | 1. buy an extra computer | 00:14 |
| crashoverride | 2. buy a windows license | 00:14 |
| crashoverride | 3. isolate it on your network | 00:14 |
| suavedandy | Oh, and there are also flatpaks and appimages. | 00:14 |
| crashoverride | 4. install steam, and ONLY steam (and other gamestores) on it. | 00:14 |
| crashoverride | 5. profit. | 00:14 |
| suavedandy | Windows, ewwwwwwwww. | 00:15 |
| suavedandy | I'm not touching dat thing, dude. | 00:15 |
| suavedandy | You touch it. | 00:15 |
| crashoverride | the best thing about this? you can run the system off of the exact same keyboard/mouse/monitor that you use for your other workstation, modulo a good KVM. | 00:15 |
| crashoverride | I don't really touch windows no | 00:15 |
| suavedandy | Yes. | 00:15 |
| suavedandy | Go touch Windows. | 00:15 |
| crashoverride | I just double click on icons to install drivers and binaries | 00:15 |
| crashoverride | and then I start steam in big picture. | 00:15 |
| crashoverride | so... | 00:15 |
| crashoverride | not really. | 00:15 |
| suavedandy | Or you can dual-boot into Manjaro. | 00:16 |
| suavedandy | Or buy a laptop. With Manjaro. | 00:16 |
| suavedandy | Or Debian even. | 00:16 |
| laidback_01 | or, you know, dualboot with SteamOS | 00:16 |
| suavedandy | Yep. | 00:16 |
| crashoverride | honestly, I prefer touching windows than anything with the glibc. | 00:17 |
| suavedandy | Why are you touching Devuan then? | 00:17 |
| crashoverride | I'm only here because I respect devuan's resistance, and I use it everywhere I need a linux machine. | 00:17 |
| crashoverride | (resistance to systemd) | 00:17 |
| laidback_01 | running GhostBSD as my desktop, that's a nice stable system | 00:17 |
| crashoverride | because sometimes you do need linux | 00:17 |
| crashoverride | NetBSD here | 00:17 |
| crashoverride | but yeah, BSD FTW. | 00:17 |
| laidback_01 | I provide Devuan to my buddies who need linux because, you know, it's not as hard. | 00:17 |
| suavedandy | You prefer touching the yuckiest thing ever to touching the thing with one caveat. | 00:18 |
| crashoverride | yeah also that. | 00:18 |
| suavedandy | Impressive logic. | 00:18 |
| crashoverride | ah no, GNU isn't just *one* caveat. | 00:18 |
| crashoverride | also windows kinda have all the GNU crap in it now so... | 00:18 |
| crashoverride | and as I alluded to previously, I do not *touch* windows in the same way I touch BSD. | 00:19 |
| golinux | Please take to offtopic. | 00:19 |
| golinux | This is a support channel | 00:19 |
| crashoverride | and I would touch linux a lot more than I'd touch the windows I "use", would I go for that instead. | 00:19 |
| crashoverride | I'd go for MacOS, but the game support is terribad. | 00:19 |
| suavedandy | Windows has all the GNU crap… in a subsystem that barely anyone has any use of. | 00:20 |
| crashoverride | oh trust me, I know corporate admins who really do. | 00:20 |
| crashoverride | not that I consider that use "worthy of anyone's time" | 00:21 |
| crashoverride | but, you know, people and taste... | 00:21 |
| crashoverride | crap, I have no machine that's up and that has bash, I need to know the flag to get the bash version | 00:22 |
| crashoverride | ah --version ofc | 00:22 |
| crashoverride | it's GNU, I shoulddave known. | 00:22 |
| suavedandy | I mean, I understand if you are displeased but being that much annoyed? Come on. | 00:24 |
| suavedandy | It's like coreutils have personally offended your wife or something. | 00:24 |
| suavedandy | If you don't like coreutils you can replace them with Plan9 or something. | 00:26 |
| suavedandy | And it'll be… Plan9/Linux. | 00:26 |
| crashoverride | actually it has | 00:26 |
| suavedandy | It would be pretty funny if there was FreeBSD/Linux. | 00:27 |
| crashoverride | GNU is singlehandedly responsible for so much time wasted that I did anger my partner and will surely anger my kids when they are old enough to understand. | 00:27 |
| mason | #devuan-offtopic right right over there --> | 00:28 |
| crashoverride | mason: sorry, I didn't know that #devuan had a strong on-topic policy. | 00:28 |
| suavedandy | It did. | 00:28 |
| mason | crashoverride: Not draconian but it's useful. | 00:28 |
| crashoverride | suavedandy: s/did/does/ | 00:28 |
| crashoverride | mason: understood. | 00:29 |
| suavedandy | crashoverride: Don't you correct me. It was not a typo. | 00:29 |
| suavedandy | I'm sure. | 00:29 |
| crashoverride | suavedandy: look, if you want that policy to be a thing of the past, do it alone, I don't want to inconvenience people. :) | 00:30 |
| mason | #devuan-offtopic has been fairly well-populated lately, so it's worth hanging out in there. | 00:30 |
| mason | bbiab anyway | 00:31 |
| crashoverride | I have 99 open channels, I like keeping it under 3 digits. | 00:31 |
| suavedandy | crashoverride: We'll get to OpenBSD eventually. But for now we can't even endorse FLOSS on people. | 00:32 |
| rrq | so go there then | 00:32 |
| rrq | suavedandy: #devuan-offtopic | 00:32 |
| crashoverride | where can I open tickets for devuan again? | 00:35 |
| suavedandy | Oh. Steam's in Flathub anyway. | 00:35 |
| rrq | crashoverride, suavedandy: #devuan-offtopic | 00:35 |
| crashoverride | rrq: how is what I am asking for even off-topic? | 00:35 |
| crashoverride | Oo | 00:35 |
| suavedandy | Guix is rolling REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!! | 00:42 |
| clort | what ticket/issue do you have with devuan crashoverride ? | 00:42 |
| crashoverride | clort: I wanted to report an unconsistentcy with the UEFI firmware location (file name). | 00:43 |
| clort | https://bugs.devuan.org/Reporting.html | 00:44 |
| crashoverride | the standard would require it to be named bootx64.efi | 00:44 |
| crashoverride | but it is named grubx64.efi | 00:44 |
| crashoverride | and some EFI implementations therefore do not find it. | 00:44 |
| crashoverride | I even had laptops for customers where I had to manually (and awkwardly) set it up as a custom EFI in the UEFI BIOS-like interface right after POSTing. | 00:45 |
| crashoverride | clort: thanks. | 00:45 |
| fsmithred | use expert install and let it install grub to the removable media path | 00:46 |
| crashoverride | fsmithred: it would be much easier to duplicate the efi file in both places. | 00:46 |
| crashoverride | or move it, I don't care. | 00:46 |
| crashoverride | just, use the standard. | 00:47 |
| crashoverride | does devuan (I don't have a running machine atm) symlink /bin/sh to bash or dash? | 00:47 |
| fsmithred | dash | 00:48 |
| crashoverride | thanks. | 00:49 |
| rwp | rknop, Just FYI about my graphics freeze problems: I decided to pull out my 2x nVidia Nouveau cards and install an old AMD HD 5450 Radeon driver dual display card. | 03:59 |
| rwp | rknop, Now will see if the graphics freeze stays with xorg or disappears with the kernel driver change. | 03:59 |
| rwp | Oh the joys of living on the bleeding edge of Unstable! :-} | 03:59 |
| rknop | heh | 04:02 |
| rwp | rknop, As I recall you are also seeing an almost identical graphics freeze but are using the Intel graphics, right? So likely this is in xorg or at least not in the driver. | 04:05 |
| gnarface | xorg and mesa are both possible culprits | 04:06 |
| gnarface | the usual suspects | 04:06 |
| gnarface | though nothing dictates that the bug can't be in multiple places | 04:07 |
| rwp | Right! Which is why I am sharing. Trying to narrow down the cone of possibilities. | 04:08 |
| rwp | So far after only a few minutes I tried several of the usual triggers like opening new Firefox windows and such and haven't seen a freeze. But really too early to tell since it is also a fresh reboot too. | 04:09 |
| rknop | @rwp I was able to get rid of my freeze by going back to Blender 2.82 | 04:15 |
| rknop | So, whatever it was that was triggering it was introduced in Blender 2.83 | 04:15 |
| rwp | I am not running Blender at all but both are going to be sharing some X calls so hard to say if the problem is the same or different. | 04:15 |
| rknop | I was getting a "GPU HANG" in /var/log/messages | 04:16 |
| rknop | It was in fact an intel GPU | 04:16 |
| rwp | Sorry for pinging you on this but so far you were the only other person I have run into with graphics freeze problems. | 04:16 |
| rwp | So far I have been beating on the display pretty hard with things that were freezing me up. And all good so far. So for me anyway looks like something in the nouveau driver. | 04:16 |
| rwp | The unusual thing for me and the nouveau driver was 2x cards with "xrandr --setprovideroutputsource 1 0" to activate the dual display of them. | 04:18 |
| rwp | Although that combination worked just fine for literally years. | 04:18 |
| fling | Which package for pkill? | 12:40 |
| fling | procps? | 12:40 |
| fling | thansk! :> | 12:42 |
| suavedandy | fsmithred: I completely forgot that you don't have a checksum for UEFI minimal-live. | 14:59 |
| suavedandy | In your repo, I mean. | 14:59 |
| suavedandy | That's problematic. | 14:59 |
| fsmithred | suavedandy, give me a minute and I'll post the sha256sum here | 15:11 |
| fsmithred | 8655c89c68a454458e3d9ea1c2e0b266315f72a2f81f6e043309a4d334d0a893 devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_amd64_uefi_minimal-live.iso | 15:13 |
| suavedandy | fsmithred: Thanks, man. | 16:13 |
| suavedandy | It would've been good if you added it to SHA256.txt tho. | 16:13 |
| suavedandy | So it won't get lost again. | 16:14 |
| suavedandy | I'mma also add it to my note-taking app. | 16:14 |
| wikan | hi ;) | 18:07 |
| gnarface | hey wikan if you have questions just ask them | 18:22 |
| crashoverride | what a warm welcome... | 18:37 |
| crashoverride | so hi, wikan :) | 18:37 |
| wikan | hi hi :) | 18:38 |
| wikan | just came to see how are you :) | 18:39 |
| wikan | i have listen to devuan talk at some con. I was thinking devuan is just debian without systemd | 18:39 |
| wikan | now i know it is much more ;) | 18:40 |
| wikan | and love devuan much more :) | 18:40 |
| crashoverride | wikan: I was told yesterday that chatter isn't too welcomed in #devuan. Maybe you want to join #devuan-offtopic to confess your undying love? :D | 18:40 |
| wikan | nope, thanks ;) cool | 18:42 |
| wikan | but I can ask about pavucontrol | 18:42 |
| wikan | ups, nope, it is debian issue. I have one debian machine yet. No question :) | 18:43 |
| wikan | but maybe you know how apulse works? | 18:43 |
| wikan | because i don't use pulse on devian and firefox has no sound | 18:44 |
| wikan | i got apulse suggestion from #firefox | 18:44 |
| wikan | not sure if I just need to install apulse and that all | 18:44 |
| hagbard_ | In newer versions of firefox, direct alsa output is reenabled. | 18:46 |
| crashoverride | yeah and alsa FTW. | 18:46 |
| hagbard_ | Don't now from which version on, tbh. | 18:46 |
| wikan | noticed ;) 78 probabl | 18:46 |
| gnarface | you would just run "apulse firefox" | 18:46 |
| wikan | oohhh I got it | 18:47 |
| hagbard_ | But the one from unstable definitiely has it back. | 18:47 |
| wikan | firefox must be launched before or after? | 18:47 |
| gnarface | that command launches it immediately after | 18:47 |
| wikan | btw: i heard pulseaudio is made by the same person as systemd :D | 18:48 |
| crashoverride | it is. | 18:48 |
| wikan | if it is true i understand why i don't like it :P | 18:48 |
| crashoverride | that explains a lot amarite? | 18:48 |
| wikan | let me ask another question | 18:49 |
| wikan | yesterday i copied text from firefox (it was /proc path) | 18:49 |
| wikan | wrong it was system setting variable | 18:50 |
| wikan | and i wanted to paste it into /etc config file | 18:50 |
| crashoverride | are you having an argument with yourself?! | 18:50 |
| wikan | but I noticed something weird | 18:50 |
| wikan | I was able to paste it in bash and vim but only of my own user | 18:51 |
| wikan | because after su, everytime I was pasting different text was placed all the time | 18:51 |
| wikan | and i have never copy that text | 18:51 |
| wikan | user <--> root (copy/paste impossible) | 18:52 |
| crashoverride | were you able to figure out where that new text was coming from? | 18:52 |
| wikan | root - pasting weird string | 18:52 |
| wikan | nope. it was setting parameter. Dunno where from. Couldn't find that text anyware | 18:52 |
| wikan | it was new terminal window, su, vim {file}, paste | 18:54 |
| wikan | maybe a leak or something :| | 18:54 |
| crashoverride | I don't think so. | 18:55 |
| crashoverride | There are shell commands to manipulate the Xorg buffers. | 18:55 |
| crashoverride | and those are env dependent. | 18:55 |
| wikan | so root cant paste user's test from middle mouse? | 18:56 |
| wikan | never noticed it. that was first time. | 18:57 |
| wikan | even if that was OLD setting root term was pasting... i have never copied it because it was first time i have seen this | 18:58 |
| wikan | i configured entire system by my own and know what i was doing | 18:58 |
| wikan | have no idea where it was from | 18:58 |
| crashoverride | wikan: you didn't write every single package manifest, and you did not audit and then compile all the code. | 19:03 |
| crashoverride | wikan: so you cannot possibly know *all* about your system. | 19:04 |
| wikan | but it is about "paste" thing | 19:04 |
| wikan | postinstall script don't use paste | 19:04 |
| n4dir | if it happened only in vim, i'd check if root uses the same config file for vim as the user does | 19:05 |
| n4dir | but it sounds as if it would also happen in the terminal-emulator | 19:05 |
| n4dir | i sure often ran in weird past behaviour, mainly in vim, but never in a difference between root and user | 19:05 |
| wikan | i quess copied text will not survive turning computer off | 19:06 |
| wikan | will try to find out what was happen | 19:07 |
| wikan | i will try debuan-offtopic... :) | 19:11 |
| suavedandy | fsmithred: What's the name of the network setup script again? | 19:57 |
| fsmithred | suavedandy, setnet.sh | 20:09 |
| suavedandy | Thank you, mah dood. | 20:09 |
| fsmithred | isn't that in the readme? | 20:11 |
| suavedandy | README? | 20:14 |
| suavedandy | Ohhhhhhh, I haven't read the README… | 20:14 |
| suavedandy | Yeah, I remember it being there, yes. | 20:14 |
| suavedandy | Oh, well. | 20:14 |
| suavedandy | Sorry. | 20:14 |
| fsmithred | release notes and a couple of readmes are in /root | 20:16 |
| suavedandy | So there was that message when I was installing Devuan. | 20:47 |
| suavedandy | It said it needed some microprograms. | 20:47 |
| suavedandy | All iwlwifi. | 20:47 |
| suavedandy | I activated all the repos but the only iwlwifi I could find is the one preinstalled. | 20:48 |
| suavedandy | What's the exact problem? | 20:48 |
| fsmithred | microprograms? | 20:51 |
| fsmithred | suavedandy, can you give me a more verbose error message? | 20:52 |
| fsmithred | wireless firmware is already installed, but nonfree repo is not enabled by default | 20:52 |
| suavedandy | Gimme a sec. | 20:52 |
| fsmithred | I don't recall if the kernel microcode is installed | 20:53 |
| suavedandy | fsmithred: "In order for some of your hardware to work some files with a non-free microprogram must be installed." | 21:55 |
| suavedandy | "The microprogram may be downloaded from a removable drike such as a USB drive or a floppy disk." | 21:56 |
| suavedandy | Missing files of the microprogram: | 21:57 |
| ShorTie | if install from usb drive, most likely can include it there | 21:57 |
| suavedandy | iwlwifi-7265D-29.ucode | 21:57 |
| ShorTie | i know that works for Debian and nic drivers | 21:57 |
| suavedandy | iwlwifi-7265D-28.ucode | 21:58 |
| ShorTie | don't think they can legelly include stuff like that | 21:59 |
| suavedandy | So basically, iwlwifi-7265D-29.ucode to iwlwifi-7265D-22.ucode | 22:00 |
| suavedandy | That's about 7 files. | 22:00 |
| suavedandy | I'm just wondering where I can get those. | 22:01 |
| suavedandy | And what they are. | 22:01 |
| hagbard_ | devuans non-free-repository has them. | 22:02 |
| hagbard_ | let me look up the package name | 22:02 |
| ShorTie | Debian has a good package searcher | 22:02 |
| hagbard_ | firmware-iwlwifi it is | 22:02 |
| ShorTie | sounds about right | 22:03 |
| hagbard_ | you just have to install it. | 22:03 |
| hagbard_ | No need to tinker with the individual files or file names. | 22:03 |
| suavedandy | hagbard_: Weird. It's already in the ISO. | 22:04 |
| suavedandy | Yep, it has all the firmware. | 22:06 |
| suavedandy | Perhaps only minimal-live has this? | 22:07 |
| suavedandy | fsmithred? | 22:07 |
| ShorTie | i like mlocate to find if/where files are | 22:12 |
| fsmithred | here | 22:25 |
| fsmithred | devuan live-isos have wireless firmware installed | 22:26 |
| fsmithred | and a script to remove all that firmware if you don't want it | 22:26 |
| fsmithred | in /root in the minimal live | 22:26 |
| suavedandy | Interesting. | 22:31 |
| suavedandy | Despite all that, my Wi-Fi still gets soft-blocked. | 22:32 |
| suavedandy | If that continues I'll be forced to buy System76 Oryx or something. | 22:32 |
| suavedandy | To save my sanity. | 22:32 |
| fsmithred | it's there: /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-7265D-28.ucode | 22:33 |
| fsmithred | shit, rfkill is not installed? | 22:33 |
| suavedandy | Let me check. | 22:34 |
| fsmithred | it's not | 22:34 |
| fsmithred | I booted the iso in qemu | 22:34 |
| suavedandy | Nope. | 22:34 |
| fsmithred | lsmod |grep iwlwifi | 22:35 |
| suavedandy | It's nowhere to be found on any Debian fork. | 22:35 |
| fsmithred | does that show you it's loaded | 22:35 |
| fsmithred | ? | 22:35 |
| fsmithred | what's not to be found? | 22:35 |
| suavedandy | I have two entries here. | 22:36 |
| suavedandy | What should I check for? | 22:36 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I see -29 but not -28 | 22:36 |
| suavedandy | And 27, and 26, and 25, and 24, and 23, and 22. | 22:37 |
| fsmithred | check for iwlwifi | 22:37 |
| suavedandy | It's here. | 22:37 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I figured | 22:37 |
| fsmithred | you could try unloading and reloading it, but I have a feeling it won't help. Is this new hardware? | 22:37 |
| suavedandy | iwlwifi 249856 1 iwlmvm | 22:37 |
| suavedandy | How do I reload? | 22:38 |
| fsmithred | modprobe -rv iwlwifi | 22:38 |
| fsmithred | modprobe -v iwlwifi | 22:38 |
| fsmithred | the -v is just so it says something | 22:38 |
| fsmithred | do you have a wired connection? | 22:38 |
| suavedandy | Wait. | 22:40 |
| suavedandy | I just restarted wpa_supplicant. | 22:40 |
| suavedandy | It worked. | 22:40 |
| fsmithred | oh, cool | 22:40 |
| suavedandy | Wi-Fi working. | 22:41 |
| clort | i like ceni to manage network interfaces | 22:41 |
| suavedandy | Well, fsmithred has added his own app. | 22:43 |
| suavedandy | And it's actually pretty decent. | 22:43 |
| suavedandy | Although ceni's looking sexy. | 22:43 |
| clort | setnet.sh ? | 22:43 |
| suavedandy | Very modern design. | 22:43 |
| suavedandy | Yeah. | 22:44 |
| fsmithred | yeah, setnet. | 22:44 |
| fsmithred | not mine. KatolaZ wrote that. | 22:44 |
| suavedandy | Yeah. | 22:44 |
| fsmithred | he was the one who originally made the minimal-live. I just built the last one or two releases using his work. | 22:44 |
| clort | very cool | 22:45 |
| suavedandy | Actually, I find it kinda cool that anticapitalista made an entire control panel like YaST for Devuan. | 22:45 |
| clort | thank you fsmithred | 22:45 |
| suavedandy | It includes ceni in it. | 22:45 |
| suavedandy | *antiX | 22:45 |
| fsmithred | wait, what??? | 22:45 |
| suavedandy | Not Devuan. | 22:45 |
| suavedandy | Sorry. | 22:45 |
| fsmithred | oh, for antix. I should take a look at it. I occasionally still miss yast. | 22:45 |
| suavedandy | It's pretty interesting. | 22:46 |
| suavedandy | It ships with antiX core. | 22:46 |
| fsmithred | would be happy to include it for others | 22:46 |
| clort | ceni came from the kanotix / sidux crowd, iirc | 22:46 |
| suavedandy | The only downside of antiX core is that it's BIOS-only. | 22:46 |
| suavedandy | And they only have forums. "IRC? Never heard of it," – anticapitalista. | 22:47 |
| fsmithred | lol | 22:47 |
| fsmithred | uh, I'm pretty sure that's not true | 22:48 |
| suavedandy | In this day of IRC and Discord going to some barely functioning forum is like asking for a change on the street. | 22:48 |
| suavedandy | Like Squidward. | 22:48 |
| suavedandy | I know Knoppix. Never heard of Kanotix. | 22:51 |
| suavedandy | Why are there so many German devs? | 22:52 |
| fsmithred | they tend to like good tech | 22:52 |
| suavedandy | Kraftwerk are admired as innovators of electronic music. | 22:53 |
| suavedandy | Both electro, techno, synth pop and EBM own them a lot. | 22:54 |
| suavedandy | I can see how Germans are so passionate about technology. | 22:54 |
| clort | we can fix machines. we can't fix people :P | 22:57 |
| suavedandy | fsmithred: Should I add a non-free repo so the firmware would upgrade? | 23:01 |
| suavedandy | Or… | 23:01 |
| fsmithred | you could probably check to see if it's been upgraded | 23:02 |
| fsmithred | but I can tell you that it's unlikely to happen | 23:02 |
| suavedandy | I mean, it's proprietary, right? | 23:02 |
| fsmithred | yeah, it's from non-free repo | 23:02 |
| suavedandy | Should I add it to sources? | 23:03 |
| fsmithred | if/when you want to upgrade to chimaera, you should add it | 23:03 |
| fsmithred | like I said, it's unlikely to change for the lifetime of beowulf | 23:03 |
| fsmithred | that's true of all the wireless firmware | 23:03 |
| fsmithred | they hardly ever make updates | 23:03 |
| suavedandy | What non-free repo would I need to add? beowulf-updates? | 23:04 |
| fsmithred | I add it to all three when I add it | 23:05 |
| ShorTie | you just add in 'non-free' to what is there | 23:06 |
| fsmithred | after main | 23:07 |
| fsmithred | and you probably should also add contrib | 23:07 |
| suavedandy | Also, what keyboard should I choose? 105-key? | 23:07 |
| fsmithred | let me know if iwlwifi ever gets an upgrade | 23:08 |
| suavedandy | I have a laptop. | 23:08 |
| suavedandy | Non-Japanese. | 23:08 |
| fsmithred | probably. I've never chosen anything different for a laptop. | 23:08 |
| suavedandy | Damn. It would have been cool if your installer was in the style of ceni or Manjaro Architect. | 23:10 |
| suavedandy | TRON-like. | 23:10 |
| suavedandy | Wish I was more competent of a programmer. | 23:10 |
| suavedandy | Perhaps I could've made just that. | 23:11 |
| suavedandy | But I dropped the uni. | 23:11 |
| suavedandy | So oh, well. | 23:11 |
| suavedandy | I don't know if it was me who was incompetent or the university. | 23:12 |
| suavedandy | fsmithred: That's weird that your script asks me to leave the installation if there's no GPT table while in the next dialog you use a partitioning tool to create one. | 23:31 |
| suavedandy | Plus, I still can exit the script on the partitioning stage. | 23:32 |
| suavedandy | So this warning is kinda unnecessary. | 23:32 |
| suavedandy | Woops, the image does not contain DOS tools. | 23:36 |
| suavedandy | Gladly, the Internet's working. | 23:36 |
| fsmithred | There's a reason I added that message. | 23:39 |
| fsmithred | and I will add dosfstools next time I make the uefi iso | 23:39 |
| suavedandy | Can you also add XFS as a choise alongside Ext2-4? | 23:45 |
| suavedandy | Also, it would be cool if there was an option to install the system on BtrFS with the volumes preconfigured like on OpenSUSE. | 23:46 |
| suavedandy | But that's probably a lot of work. | 23:46 |
| fsmithred | yeah, it is | 23:47 |
| suavedandy | OpenSUSE is perhaps the only distro which installs the system on BtrFS properly. | 23:47 |
| fsmithred | one advantage of having to type in the device name is that it lets you use the installer with raid, lvm or btrfs | 23:48 |
| fsmithred | but you have to set them up manually | 23:48 |
| fsmithred | there are a couple of threads about btrfs on the forum | 23:48 |
| fsmithred | with instructions for doing it with refractainstaller or debian-installer | 23:48 |
| suavedandy | Have no idea why other distros have BtrFS as an option. It functions essentially like Ext4 without subvols. | 23:49 |
| fsmithred | you can pre-format to xfs or jfs and tell the installer not to format the partitions | 23:50 |
| fsmithred | for cli installer, it's in the config file | 23:50 |
| suavedandy | fsmithred: Those are not particularly easy to follow because it's essentially people trying things and reporting errors. | 23:50 |
| suavedandy | So I might mess something up. | 23:50 |
| fsmithred | find the right post | 23:50 |
| fsmithred | near or at the end of one of those threads | 23:50 |
| fsmithred | a summary | 23:51 |
| suavedandy | Ah. | 23:51 |
| fsmithred | I hear enough bad things about btrfs that I would not use it | 23:51 |
| suavedandy | Dev1 Galaxy, nooooo! | 23:51 |
| fsmithred | ? | 23:52 |
| suavedandy | I should just buy a VPN subscription by this point. | 23:52 |
| fsmithred | what's wrong? | 23:52 |
| suavedandy | It's not working again. | 23:52 |
| suavedandy | It came back. | 23:52 |
| suavedandy | That forum is the most problematic thing I had to deal with other than adblock detectors and paid articles. | 23:53 |
| fsmithred | have you tried it with tor-browser? | 23:54 |
| suavedandy | No? | 23:55 |
| fsmithred | that's kinda like using a vpn | 23:55 |
| suavedandy | Good idea, actually. | 23:56 |
| suavedandy | Still weird that Dev1 Galaxy doesn't work without VPN sometimes. | 23:56 |
| suavedandy | Man. I'm so used to Samsung Internet on my phone that using a Firefox fork is kinda uncomfy. | 23:57 |
| suavedandy | I think Samsung did one thing right in OneUI. It placed all the elements of the interface at the bottom. | 23:58 |
| suavedandy | Honestly, every app should adopt this standard. | 23:58 |
| suavedandy | Mobile versions of GNOME apps too. | 23:59 |
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