suavedandy | fsmithred: 50000 iterations seem to be just fine. | 00:09 |
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suavedandy | Not too fast to be easily broken but not too slow to drive you into insanity over whether you've inputted the password or not. | 00:10 |
suavedandy | https://cryptsetup-team.pages.debian.net/cryptsetup/encrypted-boot.html | 00:13 |
suavedandy | Section 3 part 2: boot time optimization | 00:13 |
suavedandy | Section 4: avoiding entering the password twice | 00:14 |
fsmithred | bookmarked, thanks | 00:26 |
suavedandy | fsmithred: You're welcome. | 00:40 |
suavedandy | I've also configured fstrim cronjob. | 00:48 |
suavedandy | That's all for today. I can sleep piecefully at once. | 00:48 |
unixbsd | hello | 06:32 |
unixbsd | On ascii amd64, the fdisk will change signature. this fascinating feature shall be more legacy, and be removed as a feature. Keep clean and simple for fdisk is recommended. | 06:33 |
clort | what signature? | 06:37 |
unixbsd | ah fdisk does change the signature after creating new one/partition. | 08:08 |
gecko_ | I have a question, how do I enable or disable services? | 12:41 |
gecko_ | I'm on runit now, and I know that I just have to link a directory with a run file, but devuan packages don't have any run files. | 12:42 |
gecko_ | So I'll probably switch to sysvinit or OpenRC | 12:43 |
DPA | update-rc.d | 12:48 |
Guest93281 | hi gecko_ | 12:50 |
gecko_ | hello | 12:50 |
gecko_ | DPA: is that the command? | 12:50 |
DPA | yes | 12:50 |
Guest93281 | update-rc is for systemV | 12:51 |
Guest93281 | here you are a quickstart for runit: https://kchard.github.io/runit-quickstart/ | 12:52 |
gecko_ | I'm quite familiar with runit, but I couldn't find any run files for it. | 12:53 |
gecko_ | A little bit too lazy to write them myself | 12:53 |
Guest93281 | and here: https://docs.voidlinux.org/config/services/index.html | 12:53 |
gecko_ | okay switched to sysv | 12:55 |
Guest93281 | gecko_: you can find some examples in void linux | 12:55 |
gecko_ | But there's no update-rc.d command | 12:55 |
DPA | I've been using update-rc.d with openrc too, is there another command for that for that there? | 12:55 |
Guest93281 | DPA: i'm not familiar with openrc, i'm using runit | 12:57 |
gecko_ | I got sysvinit, sysvinit-core, sysvinit-utils, sysv-rc and sysv-rc-conf installed | 12:57 |
Guest93281 | I got sysvinit-utils | 12:58 |
Guest93281 | for shutdown, halt... | 12:59 |
DPA | Thats odd... Have you tried opening another tty (maybe bash cached something)? Are you root, with sbin in path? | 12:59 |
gecko_ | DPA: I rebooted and have terminal open | 13:00 |
Guest93281 | yes, i tried, and it works | 13:00 |
gecko_ | oh oh | 13:00 |
gecko_ | sbin must be missing for some reason | 13:00 |
gecko_ | because the command is in there | 13:00 |
gecko_ | weird, the path to sbin is in /etc/profile | 13:02 |
DPA | The package seams to be init-system-helpers | 13:02 |
gecko_ | I got the update-rc.d installed, but how do I add sbin to path? | 13:03 |
DPA | If you used sudo su, make sure there is a - (sudo su -) | 13:03 |
gecko_ | ah, okay that works | 13:03 |
gecko_ | su - worked, funnily enough I tried that before, but perhaps I didn't have the correct package installed | 13:05 |
gecko_ | or I missed something | 13:06 |
fsmithred | gecko_, su changed when it got moved to a different source package | 13:06 |
fsmithred | if you want the old behavior, one way is... | 13:06 |
fsmithred | echo 'ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes' >> /etc/default/su | 13:07 |
fsmithred | there's more info in the release notes | 13:07 |
gecko_ | Like this is probably fine now that I know about it | 13:07 |
fsmithred | I don't like it because I usually want root's path but don't want to change out of the current directory. | 13:08 |
gecko_ | On Void I would usually just use doas | 13:09 |
gecko_ | Using a preconfigure file with everything I'd allow myself to do without passwords. | 13:10 |
fsmithred | sounds like sudo | 13:11 |
gecko_ | yep, but somewhat simpler to setup | 13:11 |
gecko_ | and somewhat simpler implementation | 13:12 |
Guest93281 | gecko_: update-rc.d will work for those symlinks located in /etc/rcS/d (unless /etc/sv/name_of_the_service already exits) | 13:21 |
Guest93281 | have a look at /lib/runit/run_sysv_scripts | 13:21 |
Guest93281 | he/she is gone, and my name has been changed | 13:22 |
Guest93281 | bye | 13:22 |
fsmithred | the only sv files you get with runit in devuan are for the gettys. | 14:01 |
hagbard_ | In devuan I get this dmesg, when btrfs are mounted: "failed to execute '/lib/udev/${exec_prefix}/bin/udevadm' '${exec_prefix}/bin/udevadm trigger -s block -p ID_BTRFS_READY=0': No such file or directory" | 14:08 |
hagbard_ | Can this safely be ignored? Or am I missing something? | 14:09 |
gnarface | hagbard_: looks like a bug. which release? | 14:14 |
gnarface | hagbard_: i think it's supposed to be looking for /bin/udevadm | 14:14 |
gnarface | hagbard_: see what this returns: dpkg -S udevadm | 14:15 |
hagbard_ | bash-completion: /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/_udevadm | 14:16 |
hagbard_ | eudev: /bin/udevadm | 14:16 |
hagbard_ | eudev: /usr/share/man/man8/udevadm.8.gz | 14:16 |
fsmithred | in beowulf it's at /bin/udevadm with a symlink at /sbin/udevadm | 14:16 |
hagbard_ | eudev: /sbin/udevadm | 14:16 |
hagbard_ | it's 3.2.9-7 (the one from testing) | 14:17 |
fsmithred | 3.2.9-8 just got built for beowulf-proposed-updates | 14:18 |
fsmithred | don't know if it will help | 14:18 |
fsmithred | actually I don't know if it's any different from -7 | 14:18 |
fsmithred | what is looking for udevadm? | 14:19 |
fsmithred | ok, it's different. Long changelog entry on this one. | 14:21 |
rrq | problem rule is in /lib/udev/rules.d/64-btrfs.rules | 14:23 |
gnarface | probably a simple fix, no? | 14:23 |
gnarface | just looks like a bad path | 14:23 |
gnarface | mistakenly prepending /lib/udev/ for some reason | 14:23 |
rrq | yes: replace "${exec_prefix}/" with "/s" in the line with exec_prefix in it | 14:24 |
fsmithred | what is the /s? | 14:25 |
rrq | . making the command start "/sbin/udevadm" | 14:26 |
fsmithred | lol, oh | 14:26 |
fsmithred | I thought you meant /s/bin/udevadm | 14:26 |
rrq | yeah I'm a bit lazy :) | 14:27 |
fsmithred | I need more coffee | 14:27 |
crashoverride | same. | 14:31 |
hagbard_ | thx, so I just will edit the rule file | 14:40 |
hagbard_ | So, should I post that as a bug report somewhere? | 15:01 |
gnarface | probably | 15:07 |
fsmithred | looks like it's our bug. In debian, the file uses /bin/udevadm | 15:24 |
fsmithred | hagbard_, you can file a bug report against eudev at submit@bugs.devuan.org | 15:30 |
default__ | kinda new to devuan.. having trouble getting the higher resolutions working with the intel 4 gpu. Is there a package I need to install or something? | 19:08 |
gnarface | default__: uh, maybe, probably not. there's already 2 drivers on there, maybe try the other one | 19:17 |
gnarface | default__: for compositing window managers you'll also need mesa | 19:18 |
gnarface | default__: (the 2 drivers are "modesetting" and "intel" .... it usually picks the first one by default, try the intel one) | 19:18 |
gnarface | if it is very new hardware you might need the kernel and mesa versions from beowulf-backports but i'm not familiar enough with that specific device to know the age | 19:20 |
rennj | terminal: xrandr | 19:21 |
default__ | its not new. thanks for the assistance. I change the driver in xrandr? not finding it yet ;/ | 19:24 |
fsmithred | you can set resolution with xrandr. I think you need to create xorg.conf to specify a driver. | 19:26 |
gnarface | yea, as far as i know you have to set the driver in the xorg.conf and restart xorg | 19:27 |
gnarface | you don't need the whole xorg.conf anymore | 19:27 |
gnarface | you can just have the driver part | 19:27 |
dzhigit | does devuan accept bug reports for gnome? | 19:35 |
fsmithred | dzhigit, I don't think there are any parts of gnome that we fork. Look for '+devuan' in the version. | 19:36 |
dzhigit | that's right but I believe the bug to be devuan specific | 19:37 |
brocashelm | task-gnome-desktop? | 19:41 |
brocashelm | that and the foreign language versions are all i see as being forked by devuan | 19:42 |
dzhigit | gnome-software | 19:42 |
dzhigit | it isn't forked but it's working in Debian not in Devuan | 19:43 |
fsmithred | I don't know if there's any way to file a bug report on it if we don't fork the package | 19:45 |
fsmithred | maybe post it on forum or devuan-dev mailing list | 19:45 |
gnarface | dzhigit: what's actually going wrong on devuan that's not on debian? typically the only differences are permissions related | 19:46 |
dzhigit | I think I first mentioned it on this channel on Wednesday. When you open it it just says No Application Data Found. packagekit cli as well as gnome-packagekit are working so I think the problem is with this front end specifically, | 19:49 |
gnarface | you got elogind? | 19:50 |
gnarface | acpid and udevd? | 19:50 |
gnarface | probably also need dbus | 19:50 |
gnarface | i assume it would all be chained together but... | 19:51 |
gnarface | it's rare but things go wrong | 19:51 |
dzhigit | they are chained together. I think you mean eudev. | 19:51 |
gnarface | yes | 19:51 |
dzhigit | actually I don't have acpid | 19:55 |
gnarface | i actually really doubt that's the one that's causing this but you should have it unless it causes instability | 19:56 |
dzhigit | I'm not sure if I had it on Debian either | 19:58 |
dzhigit | just installed it | 19:58 |
dzhigit | I just tried installing updates through it and it gives a GDbus error | 20:09 |
gnarface | is dbus running? some of this stuff in theory should have been started by gnome | 20:10 |
gnarface | i thought | 20:10 |
gnarface | oh | 20:10 |
gnarface | i just thought of another one | 20:11 |
gnarface | you probably need udisks2 | 20:11 |
gnarface | in addition to whatever else | 20:11 |
dzhigit | dbus is running but I think gdbus might be different | 20:11 |
dzhigit | it's the gtk version or something | 20:12 |
dzhigit | I have udisks2 | 20:12 |
dzhigit | gdbus is used by xfce isn't it | 20:22 |
dzhigit | so the devuan version should be good | 20:22 |
DPA | Regarding gnome-software and plasma-discover, isn't it just that it relies on AppStream, but that uses a different set of metadata, | 20:23 |
DPA | which probably isn't present in devuans repositories, so it only finds already installed programs? | 20:23 |
gnarface | i don't keep up with gnome really, it's news to me it's back in devuan | 20:24 |
gnarface | i thought people were using mate or something? | 20:24 |
dzhigit | is plasma discover not working either? | 20:24 |
dzhigit | I just followed the instructions here to migrate from Debian and it said gnome was an option https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/buster-to-beowulf | 20:25 |
DPA | plasma-discover seams to kind of work, but if I for example search for "chess", it won't find stuff like "3dchess", I have to type the name exactly. | 20:30 |
DPA | There are no featured applications, and it won't show stuff in categories except if it's already installed. | 20:30 |
dzhigit | the search in gnome-software isn't working at all | 20:31 |
DPA | It does find the already installed libreoffice on my machine. | 20:32 |
DPA | But stuff not installed yet, not even if I search for the exact package name. | 20:33 |
dzhigit | that's probably the issue | 20:34 |
dzhigit | what has to be done in order to fix appstream? | 20:35 |
DPA | I wish I knew. I don't really know how it works either. | 20:36 |
dzhigit | so it's not as simple as copying everything from Debian? | 20:43 |
gnarface | gnome is a particularly bad case | 20:51 |
gnarface | historically | 20:51 |
gnarface | there might be a way to fix this but it's not a hugely popular choice so you might have to wait a while to talk to someone who has done it | 20:52 |
gnarface | i'd check the forum too | 20:52 |
dzhigit | sounds like kde has the same issue | 20:56 |
dzhigit | I rarely use software center myself, just couldn't help but noticing it isn't working | 20:56 |
dzhigit | apt-get is easier for me | 20:56 |
DPA | plasma-discover and gnome-software both use appstream | 20:58 |
onefang | "apt" is even easier than "apt-get", four less letters to type. B-) | 20:58 |
dzhigit | alias a=apt-get | 20:59 |
dzhigit | actually it's not working because you have to set the alias for the root user | 21:01 |
gnarface | typically use apt-get too | 21:09 |
gnarface | wouldn't have noticed this | 21:09 |
gnarface | you'd think someone else would have though | 21:10 |
gnarface | and maybe found a fix | 21:10 |
gnarface | DPA, dzhigit: just a quick sanity check; you two both have the "less" package installed, right? | 21:11 |
dzhigit | the pager? | 21:11 |
dzhigit | yes | 21:11 |
gnarface | yes, i have noticed that it improves searches in man, thought just maybe it could be related | 21:12 |
gnarface | (string searches are case-sensitive without it) | 21:12 |
DPA | yes, I have it. | 21:12 |
dzhigit | it's set as the default pager as well | 21:13 |
dzhigit | the other thing is when you right click an installed application and click "Show Details" it opens in gnome-software says there are no details for that application | 21:14 |
dzhigit | that might be how I noticed it | 21:14 |
dzhigit | but when you click it from the list of installed applications from within gnome-software, it shows all of the details ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 21:16 |
dzhigit | also just realized | 21:23 |
dzhigit | gnome logs isn't working because it reads from the systemd journal | 21:23 |
dzhigit | instead of rsyslog | 21:23 |
apollo_ | is there /any/ way gnome hasn't been poisoned by its adjacency to systemd? | 21:24 |
onefang | It's also been poisoned by being adjacent to Wayland. lol | 21:25 |
dzhigit | lol one of the reviews says "Not on par with Windows Event Viewer, not even close." | 21:25 |
dzhigit | sounds like a critique of journald | 21:25 |
dzhigit | what's bad about wayland, other than that it is still missing some features X has? | 21:33 |
rennj | does it have xrandr xinput xdotool | 21:43 |
rennj | those come in handy, and i happen to use, specially on craptop with shitty trackpads... | 21:43 |
dzhigit | not yet | 21:46 |
rennj | how about xev, xmodmap,XKeysymDB | 21:46 |
rennj | you know for tracking down keyboard issues and mappings | 21:46 |
dzhigit | I think every wm/de has to implement its own way to do those things right now | 21:49 |
dzhigit | maybe they'll agree on a standard | 21:50 |
rennj | going to replace the remote x11 ssh -X / xhost,export DISPLAY, and such? | 21:53 |
rennj | work well over rdp,vnc,nx | 21:53 |
rennj | add in xpra to that list...tmux/screen for x11 | 21:57 |
rennj | yeah Xvnc Xpra Xnest. handy | 21:59 |
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