libera/#devuan/ Monday, 2020-11-09

bbucciantiI have perl and perl-base 5.32.0-400:01
bbucciantialso perl-modules-5.28 and perl-modules-5.3200:01
bbucciantimaybe I need to go back to perl-modules-5.28?00:01
gnarface"ii" are the installed ones00:02
bbucciantiyeah both are installed00:02
gnarfacesometimes stuff that was removed will still be listed as "rc" if it was not purged00:02
gnarfaceperl-base is suspect, i have 5.30.3-4 here00:03
gnarfaceroll that back and the rest might sort itself00:03
brocashelmsame version00:03
gnarfacei have perl-modules-5.3000:03
gnarfaceer, i mean 5.30.3-400:03
gnarfacesame version as the perl version yea00:03
brocashelmIMO it's better to wait awhile for new builds00:04
gnarfaceprobably that stuff works best if it all is of matching version00:04
bbucciantiversion 5.30.3-4 for perl-base was not found00:04
gnarfaceouch00:04
gnarfacethey removed it already00:04
gnarfaceyou'd have to get it from snapshots then00:04
bbucciantisnapshots?00:04
gnarfaceunless it's still in your /var/cache/ directory00:04
gnarfacein /var/cache/apt perhaps00:04
bbucciantiyeah!00:05
bbucciantithere it is00:05
gnarfacehttp://snapshot.debian.org/00:05
gnarfacethis is snapshots00:05
bbucciantiI have thosein cache00:05
gnarfacei don't know if there's a devuan one, but it would work for unforked packages like perl00:05
gnarfaceyour lucky day then perhaps00:05
bbucciantiso I can just pass it over to apt?00:05
gnarfaceshould work, no guarantees, downgrades aren't strictly supported00:06
bbucciantiso now, how can I install all those packages like keyboard-configuration?00:07
bbucciantithose are not default ones?00:07
bbucciantican I install a default-system package or something?00:07
brocashelmit's an essential package, so it should be patched asap00:07
bbucciantipatched?00:08
brocashelmby the debian devs for sid00:09
bbucciantioh I see00:09
bbucciantiwell thanks a lot gnarface and brocashelm !00:09
brocashelmnp00:09
brocashelmgood luck00:09
gnarfacebbuccianti:  the meta-packages that group presets of packages are all named starting with "task-" try this:  apt-cache search ^task-00:09
gnarfacesomething like task-desktop or task-laptop might be in order if you feel like you're missing a lot of stuff and you don't want to hunt everything individually00:10
bbucciantiyeah I rebooted and still don't have keymap on login screen00:11
bbucciantilet me try that ^task- serach00:11
gnarfacethere might be some elogind related backend library package that could be wrong too00:12
gnarfaceran into something like that before but can't remember the package name00:13
gnarfacesomething related to elogind or the graphical login00:13
gnarfacehibernate/snooze buttons on the login screen weren't working either until i changed it00:13
bbucciantiOh I just have the console login screen00:14
gnarfaceoh hmmm00:14
gnarfacedo you have a /etc/default/keyboard file?00:14
bbucciantiyes00:14
gnarfacethat's where the setting is stored00:14
bbucciantiwith the correct kxblayout and xkbvariant00:14
bbucciantius and dvorak00:14
gnarfaceif it's not working then i don't know either, sorry :(00:15
gnarfacecould be a bug, unstable can be a mess00:15
bbucciantiyeah, but sway isn't on beowulf00:15
bbucciantimaybe it is a service or something?00:18
gnarfacenot as far as i know00:18
rrqunixbsd: pm00:18
gnarfacebbuccianti: "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" doesn't help?00:18
gnarfacebbuccianti: i told you to make sure locales and tzdata were installed too right00:18
gnarfacebbuccianti: ?00:18
gnarfacebrb00:19
bbucciantiyeah I forgot about those00:19
bbucciantilet me check00:19
bbucciantiI have locales 2.31-400:20
bbucciantitzdata 2020d-100:21
gnarfaceyou can dpkg-reconfigure them too00:22
gnarfaceand most people don't need to go through all the hassle setting up exim4 that they do, because "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" covers most standard configurations00:23
bbucciantiwarning! setting locale failed00:25
bbucciantiI have a paniclog from dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config00:29
bbucciantimalformed IP address notset in local_interfaces00:30
bbucciantiI don't even know what is exim400:30
gnarfacebbuccianti: ignore that one for now01:26
gnarfacebbuccianti: that's email01:26
golinuxbbuccianti: If you don't know what exim4 is, maybe you shouldn't be running ceres . . .02:25
Centurion_Dangolinux: exim is a horror that nobody should use by default for email.  That default really sux...02:30
Unit193It's fine, decent even, for system email at least.  But otherwise...02:49
golinuxThe issue isn;t sxim but a user trying to run ceres.02:52
Centurion_DanI'd use msmtp or ssmtp for a system email even then it's pointless unless you setup your email client to access it...02:52
fsmithredusing those requires intervention02:53
golinuxThat isn't what is being discussed here02:53
fsmithredusing exim for system mail requires only installing it02:53
fsmithredyes it is02:53
fsmithredbut we're probably done02:54
golinuxSomeone who said this: <bbuccianti> I don't even know what is exim402:54
fsmithredseveral hours ago02:54
golinuxIs running ceres and bitching about it.02:54
golinuxSo Dan's changing the subject is not the topicf02:55
* golinux is quite grumpy tonight02:55
Centurion_Danexim has problems and can cause startup to hang if network isn't available.  It's not a good default for desktop systems.03:13
Centurion_Danspeaking of which - I'm setting up some client laptops with Devuan and wondering if about xfce vs Mate for soon to be ex windows users...03:14
fsmithredI know there are mate users, but I am not one of them. There may be useful info at the forum.03:15
fsmithredin the past, there were issues with mate power-manager, but I don't know if that's still the case. Some were using xfce-power-manager.03:16
fsmithredin ascii, I think03:16
* enyc meows03:30
enycCenturion_Dan: MATE good for those who used win2000/xp a lot, 'taskbar' ....03:31
enycCenturion_Dan: Cinnamon desktop is more like win10 application icons .......03:31
dzhigitI just upgraded ceres and got the perl issue03:57
enycdzhigit: hehe welcome to unstable!04:03
dzhigitso it says it depends on perlapi-5.30.0 but it also says that perlapi-5.30.0 is a virtual package provided by perl-base?04:05
dzhigitoh I see04:06
dzhigitPackage perlapi-5.30.0 is a virtual package provided by:  perl-base 5.30.3-4 [Not candidate version]04:06
dzhigitthe candidate version is perl-base 5.32.0-404:07
dzhigitlibtext-iconv-perl needs to be updated to perlapi-5.32.004:13
dzhigitthat will make it work with the latest perl-base04:13
XenguyI never understood why Debian chose Exim4 as their default MTA, but they did...04:39
furrywolfbecause sendmail has lovecraftian configs?04:40
XenguyI ended up switching to Postfix, when I ran one myself04:40
Xenguyyeah, sendmail, uh boy04:40
XenguyIt was the venerable one, but oh the security issues04:41
yetihttp://yeti.freeshell.org/tmp/20201109-085149-UTC__eeeeeeeeh....png <<< ???09:55
yetidevuan3/armhf09:55
yetiPEBCAK?09:56
clortwhat's devuan310:01
clortif i download it, i get libexif12_0.6.21-5.1+deb10u4_armhf.deb  yeti10:06
clortnot updated today10:07
yeti3 = beowulf10:08
clortah. i have beowulf armhf also10:08
clortwhat causes packages to be missing in the repo?10:09
yetiapt-cache policy libexif12  # sees the missing version in security updates10:09
yetimaybe I consequently hit a broken mirror10:10
clortupdating and regrabbing i get the deb10u510:12
clortis there some RSS for security update notifications that just pulls from packages i have installed?10:13
yetiE: Failed to fetch http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/libe/libexif/libexif12_0.6.21-5.1+deb10u5_armhf.deb  404  Not Found [IP: 2001:878:346::116 80]10:14
yetivia apt-get10:14
yetideBIans fault?10:14
clorti guess so10:14
clortmine is 314264 bytes and md5sum 12db515d2f48e1c7d18f9eac1c55babe10:15
clortbabe :)10:15
yetigrabbing it directly via https://packages.debian.org/buster/armhf/libexif12/download10:17
yetiit matches your checksum10:17
yetiok... now the rest updates via the standard way...10:19
yetimaybe DNS tricksery leading only me @.de to a sick debian-srcurity mirror10:22
yetiall that shit got far to complex these days10:22
yetianfd falls apart10:23
* yeti threatens te penguin to switch back to CP/M-Z80...10:24
yeti:-Þ10:24
clortah talkin bout my generation10:25
yetiwe ran kind of CP/M until winME!10:26
yetiGUI atop DOS which is a reengeneered CP/M10:26
yetisomeone should add dirs to 8bitish CP/M10:27
yetithat 'd be heaven10:27
yetiemulators lack disk juggling which was our emulation of dirs back then10:28
yetisomeday I'll try to build an emulator with swappable SPI eeproms or flashs10:28
yetito get the disk juggling feeling back10:29
clortwe had to use partitions for directories10:29
clorton the 10MB seagate10:29
yeti16M flashs are cheap10:29
clortit was cringe even at the time10:30
yetiand 8M + indexing data os max size of a cpm2 FS10:30
yetios->is10:30
clortah. we moved our app to z-dos10:30
yetiI used DR's cpm2 and -310:31
yetimore *210:31
yetiok... but we get hit by a frying pan soon for offtopic...10:32
rrqtimely :) please move chit-chat to #devuan-offtopic10:32
brocashelmbbuccianti: did you ever get your dvorak problem solved? packages aren't held back now if you check with apt update16:53
bbucciantibrocashelm: I keep trying, nothing yet21:57
suavedandyCan anybody help me with LightDM?21:59
hagbard_Depends on what you need help with22:00
suavedandyI was running it in test mode and it complained about org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit not being provided by any .service file.22:02
hagbard_is consolekit installed?22:02
suavedandyNo but it replaces elogind.22:03
suavedandyAnd apparently it has systemd dependencies.22:04
suavedandyAnd systemd doesn't exist on Devuan.22:04
suavedandySo the possibility of it working is questionable.22:05
WonkaI have lightdm running nicely22:05
Wonkawithout consolekit, with elogind22:05
suavedandyTry starting it with --test-mode.22:05
suavedandyStop the service and then start lightdm with --test-mode22:06
WonkaI currently do not want to quit my firefox...22:06
gnarfacei thought lightdm was in the repo22:07
gnarfaceyou shouldn't need to install a systemd-dependent version of it22:07
Wonkait is22:07
suavedandyNo, it depends on ConsoleKit.22:07
suavedandyWell, not really but it complains to the console.22:07
suavedandyWhoops.22:09
suavedandyPardon mona mi.22:10
gnarfacethere should be consolekit in the repo too, i assume you just discovered?22:10
suavedandyYes but it replaces elogind.22:11
WonkaI see a dependency on "default-logind | logind | consolekit"22:11
suavedandyAnd, like, you cannot go bacc.22:11
gnarfacehmmm22:11
Wonkawhich is satisfied by "libpam-elogind 243.8-1" from testing,unstable here22:11
fsmithred I think complaints about missing service files are irrelevant, aren't they?22:11
gnarfacethey might be, not sure22:12
suavedandyI dunno.22:12
fsmithredI see them a lot and ignore them22:12
fsmithredsame with gtk errors22:12
fsmithredas long as stuff is working22:12
suavedandyWell, seems like libpam-elogind is already installed.22:13
fsmithredyou might want libelogind0 if you don't already have it.22:13
fsmithredit replaces libsystemd022:13
suavedandyWell, I have it.22:14
fsmithreddoes lightdm work?22:15
WonkaI only see one complaint, and that's about org.freedesktop.Accounts not being provided by any .service file22:15
suavedandyTry it, fsmithred. Try "aptitude install consolekit." And it will show that it'll try to delete everything, including elogind.22:15
suavedandyHave no idea why.22:15
suavedandyBut that's what I get.22:15
fsmithredholy shit, no I'm not going to try to install consolekit22:16
Wonkawell, don't do that then! *duck*22:16
fsmithredI'm using elognind22:16
fsmithredlogenid22:16
suavedandyWonka: Install accountsservice.22:16
fsmithredfuch22:16
fsmithredelogind22:16
Wonkasuavedandy: I'm not missing anything, so why should I?22:16
suavedandy"elognind."22:16
fsmithredwhy do you want consolekit?22:16
suavedandyLOL.22:16
suavedandyElognisium.22:17
fsmithredhey, don't get personal22:17
fsmithredsuavedandy, what desktop are you using?22:18
suavedandyfsmithred: Wait. libpam-elogind from backports?22:18
fsmithredwhy from backports?22:18
suavedandySpectrWM.22:18
suavedandyYou said from testing/unstable.22:18
fsmithredI said what??22:18
suavedandyWonka said.22:19
fsmithredthere's no libpam-elogind in beowulf backports22:19
suavedandyOOF.22:19
fsmithredand you probably want to use the one that goes with the suite you're running22:19
suavedandyWell, gentlemen, we're fucked.22:20
fsmithredcare to explain what the problem is?22:20
suavedandyAs Wonka said, we need libpam-elogind from testing.22:20
suavedandyThat's what he said.22:20
fsmithredare you running chimaera?22:20
suavedandyNope. Beowulf.22:20
fsmithredand what would be the reason for using libpam-elogind from testing?22:21
bbucciantiwhere is the log from the login console?22:21
fsmithredseems  like there would be some version conflicts22:21
bbucciantithose that you can see before login22:21
suavedandyI dunno. Wonka said it.22:21
suavedandyI wonder that myself.22:21
fsmithredI'll ask you again; what problem are you having?22:22
suavedandyJust a warning.22:22
fsmithredabout some systemd shit22:22
fsmithredignore it22:22
suavedandyOkay.22:22
suavedandyDoes that happen often with systemd shit on Devuan?22:23
fsmithredI think the only way to get rid of some of those warnings is to install systemd22:23
fsmithredand I sometimes wonder if it's deliberate22:23
fsmithredjust to annoy us22:23
fsmithredI see org.freedesktop warnings very frequently22:23
suavedandyOn Void I had warnings as well. Tho in that case it was because there was no elogind and polkit.22:24
suavedandyI was testing swaylock.22:25
suavedandyAnd got warnings like these.22:25
bbucciantiooh I have a failed to execute /etc/console-setup/cached_setup_font.sh no such file or directory22:25
bbucciantiayeeee22:28
bbucciantiturns out I didn't have console-setup installed22:28
bbucciantithat's why keymap wasn't loading properly22:28
bbucciantiI think22:28
golinuxPEBKAC strikes again22:29
suavedandyYou know, perhaps ConsoleKit has no relation to systemd.22:31
suavedandyIt still replaces elogind.22:31
suavedandyGentoo Wiki says that the development of ConsoleKit wasn't active since 2017.22:31
suavedandyAnd recommends elogind instead.22:32
suavedandyhttps://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=228222:32
WonkaI had consolekit logfiles from 2018... seems I purged it back then22:32
Wonka(rm'd them now)22:32
Wonkaworking fine here with elogind, libpam-elogind, console-setup, console-setup-linux22:33
Wonkalightdm and lightdm-greeter of course22:33
fsmithredsee the release notes on when to use consolekit22:33
Wonkaand xfce422:33
suavedandyThat tweak did nothing.22:46
suavedandyBut I mean, there's no point of systemd being commented out anyway.22:47
suavedandyMight as well just delete it.22:47
suavedandyDem. Because I've marked the xorg package with -R I don't get that slick GRUB GUI anymore.22:50
Burekseems to me like devuan got quite a following over the years22:52
suavedandyHmmmm.22:53
suavedandyAwesome doesn't seem to… work.22:54
suavedandyWhat the frick?22:54
gnarfacewhat does the xorg log say?22:55
suavedandygnarface: Wait, I have an idea. I'll install xorg without the -R flag.22:56
suavedandyOh, fuck.23:00
suavedandyI just realized.23:00
suavedandyI forgot to change the autologin session to AwesomeWM.23:00
suavedandyFantastic.23:01
masonThat's awesome.23:01
suavedandyI am an idiot.23:01
Bureknah, it happens23:01
suavedandyKek, there's dev1fanboy's wiki?23:04
suavedandyDidn't know.23:04
suavedandySo that's where that minimal Xorg tutorial comes from.23:04
suavedandyShould LightDM be on runlevels 2-5 or only one of them?23:45
suavedandyBecause when I turned it on with sysv-rc-conf it turned on for those runlevels.23:46
suavedandyIs this okay?23:46
suavedandyI suspect I should mark it as runlevel 5.23:50
suavedandyAnd I was absolutely wrong.23:53
masonsuavedandy: If you read /etc/inittab it describes what the different runlevels are.23:57
masonWhat we've got isn't traditional, but there it is.23:57
masonBut in terms of traditional stuff, 5 is correct.23:58
suavedandyMaybe I should change the default runlevel?23:58
masonIf you want, sure.23:59

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