user234234 | Hello | 14:54 |
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user234234 | Hi | 14:55 |
user234234 | What is the best and most stable package deb url for sources.list`? | 14:55 |
user234234 | It appears that deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii main deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii main are both non working or i.e. being unreliable. | 14:57 |
user234234 | I would have to find a reliable deb url for my sources.list, i.e. one that I can count on, ie. remaining available, stable, and non broken package.s | 14:57 |
user234234 | At least one would be greatly helpful... | 14:57 |
clort | good question. i only have deb.devuan.org. i expect there is a list of mirrors available | 14:58 |
user234234 | yeah but this deb.devuan.org is usually having broken packages, low donwload speed and so one. Is there something better, like debian servers? | 15:05 |
buZz | deb.devuan.org isnt a single server | 15:05 |
buZz | why are you still in ascii ? | 15:05 |
onefang | deb.devuan.org is a DNS round robin of package mirrors. You are likely just unlucky getting a bad one. | 15:06 |
onefang | Don't use pkgmaster, it's the master that the other mirrors sync from, we don't want it being bogged down by others using it. | 15:07 |
onefang | https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html might be helpful. https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt is the official list of package mirrors. | 15:07 |
user234234 | I use ascii because it just works. There are many thousand bugs in stable. | 15:10 |
user234234 | I cannot spend my day with reportbug. | 15:10 |
onefang | Nothing wrong with still using ASCII. | 15:11 |
user234234 | yeah, but pkgmaster is slightly working better than deb.devuan.org. The deb.devuan.org is each month slow or with broken packages. In August, I had serious troubles to use deb.devuan.org. | 15:11 |
user234234 | Well, both arent working well. Is there at least one that would work? | 15:12 |
onefang | Look at that list of mirrors, pick one and try it. | 15:12 |
onefang | As I said, pkgmaster is the master one everyone else syncs to. | 15:12 |
user234234 | But... if the mother one, deb.devuan.org, it is very likely that error are rsync/cloned to mirrors as well. | 15:12 |
onefang | So if everyone is using pkgmaster, then it gets bogged down and ends up being too slow for everyone. | 15:13 |
buZz | oh, i notice you're using http:// ? | 15:14 |
buZz | maybe move to https? | 15:14 |
onefang | Do not use https on deb.devuan.org. | 15:14 |
buZz | oh, cause of the round robin i guess | 15:14 |
onefang | Yep. | 15:14 |
onefang | That first link I posted is the monitoring system for the package mirrors. | 15:15 |
user234234 | http or https, I actually dont mind. if it just works anytime. | 15:15 |
user234234 | well, I remember that debian had also some years at beginning broken package. today it is very reliable. matter of years to get mature. | 15:16 |
onefang | There have been some problems recently with the system that feeds packages into pkgmaster, I think we almost have them sorted out. | 15:17 |
user234234 | Well, since august is like this until today. Maybe another solutions would be kindly useful to have. I have in mind to set up another server for devuan, alternative one. | 15:21 |
onefang | user234234 should have stuck around, if they want to set up a new Devuan package mirror, I'm the one to talk with. | 15:25 |
onefang | Though I should be sleeping soon. lol | 15:25 |
Junicchi | how can i make pulseaudio automatically starting when booting? | 15:41 |
Joril | Junicchi: see /etc/pulse/client.conf.d/00-disable-autospawn.conf | 16:11 |
Joril | It's written in the Beowulf release notes, I'm not sure why the Devuan setup doesn't handle this automatically | 16:13 |
L29Ah | i'm trying to run Devuan on Raspberry Pi B+, and just putting unxz'd http://arm-files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_armel_rpi1_0.3.img.xz on a SD card produces no reaction from RPi; am i doing something wrong? | 16:31 |
Junicchi | Joril: eeh | 16:33 |
Junicchi | i was wondering why it wasn't starting even tho i set autospawn to yes on /etc/pulse/client.conf | 16:34 |
ShorTie | L29Ah, just unxz'd is most likely not gonna work, need to actually write the img to the sdcard | 16:39 |
L29Ah | try again | 16:39 |
L29Ah | raspios works on the same setup | 16:58 |
ShorTie | ??, what cha mean | 17:07 |
n4dir | how can i stop pulseaudio? | 17:26 |
james1138 | n4dir: I purged pulseaudio and installed "apulse" - PulseAudio emulation for ALSA - GitHub | 17:29 |
fsmithred | n4dir, you want to kill a running process, or you want to stop it from autospawning? | 17:30 |
miskatonic | fsmithred of refracta fame? | 17:30 |
fsmithred | yeah | 17:30 |
fsmithred | do I know you | 17:30 |
fsmithred | ? | 17:30 |
miskatonic | fsmithred: no, I just stumbled about that thing on a site called sysdfree.wordpress.com | 17:31 |
fsmithred | aha | 17:31 |
fsmithred | feels weird to be called famous | 17:31 |
miskatonic | fsmithred: recently in the context iof how to use openrc as pid1 poroperly on debianish systems | 17:32 |
fsmithred | default setup is to use the sysvinit scripts | 17:32 |
n4dir | i just want to stop it from running right now. | 17:32 |
fsmithred | you can install openrc and not notice any difference except for some different colors as the boot text scrolls by | 17:32 |
fsmithred | pkill pulseaudio? | 17:33 |
fsmithred | that probably won't work if it's set to autospawn | 17:33 |
n4dir | ha ha. That would work. | 17:33 |
fsmithred | - If you have no sound, make sure the following line in | 17:33 |
fsmithred | /etc/pulse/client.conf.d/00-disable-autospawn.conf is commented as | 17:33 |
fsmithred | shown here: | 17:33 |
fsmithred | #autospawn=no | 17:33 |
n4dir | Isn't there a more fine grained approach? | 17:33 |
fsmithred | so to do the opposite, uncomment that line | 17:33 |
fsmithred | then when you kill it, it will stay dead | 17:33 |
n4dir | it doesn't autospawn. If at all i start it via cadence, which controls jack, but also can start pulse | 17:34 |
fsmithred | ps ax |grep pulse | 17:34 |
n4dir | yeah, still runs | 17:34 |
n4dir | my naive approach is to look at /etc/init.d; but there ain't no pulse | 17:34 |
fsmithred | because of the autospawn line? | 17:35 |
n4dir | no, there is no | 17:35 |
n4dir | as said, i start it witch cadence (if at all) | 17:35 |
fsmithred | are you missing that config file? | 17:35 |
n4dir | no, it is there, but it says no | 17:35 |
n4dir | i mean if something can be started it should be also possible to stop it, no? | 17:36 |
fsmithred | figure out what is restarting it | 17:36 |
n4dir | it isn't restarted. It never stopped running | 17:36 |
n4dir | i guess i will just use pkill | 17:36 |
fsmithred | I'm gonna make a wild guess and say the pavucontrol probably does not have a switch to turn off pulseaudio. | 17:37 |
fsmithred | because it assumes that nobody would ever want to do that | 17:37 |
n4dir | lol | 17:37 |
fsmithred | if you're into panel buttons, you can make one that just gives the pkill command | 17:38 |
fsmithred | I used to do that with vlc because it hung a lot. | 17:38 |
n4dir | Perhaps i could try to stop pulse again from cadence before i stop jack. But once jack stopped, pulse is stopped in cadence too. But ps_mem.py still shows it | 17:38 |
n4dir | nah, pkill is easy enough. Just wondering what is the propper way | 17:38 |
n4dir | I would also not know how to start pulseaudio, besides via cadence. | 17:39 |
n4dir | what a mess. | 17:39 |
fsmithred | I stay away from PA | 17:39 |
n4dir | I think i used it for audio in firefox. But now use falkon anyway. But I set vlc and ... mhh ... something else .. ah: audacious to use pulse | 17:40 |
n4dir | could reset that. But not sure if with this setup both can use either jack or alsa | 17:41 |
miskatonic | yeah, pulseaudio is from the same school as systemd | 17:41 |
fsmithred | falkon uses alsa? | 17:41 |
n4dir | shit knows. Most of the time it just plays sound. | 17:41 |
fsmithred | can falkon use jack? | 17:41 |
n4dir | Sometimes it doesn't, then i use pulse. | 17:41 |
n4dir | fsmithred: as said, i don't really know. But falkon is the one program which kinda always works, as far sound is concerned | 17:41 |
n4dir | it doesn't matter: right after booting, wihtout jack, with jack started via cadence or jack via cadence and pulse too | 17:42 |
n4dir | there is nearly always sound | 17:42 |
fsmithred | well, I tried testing falkon, but it crashes before I can get to a vid file | 17:42 |
n4dir | but then: usually i start the browser very late. After vcvRack. Then jack already runs. Don't take my word for it | 17:43 |
n4dir | Yeah, you said so. Had the problem on (perhaps) Debian, but on Devuan it doesn't crash | 17:43 |
n4dir | Had it on other distros too. | 17:43 |
n4dir | It sure isn't that great, to create a need to troublecheck that. | 17:44 |
fsmithred | qrc:data/thumbnailer.qml:2:1: module "QtWebEngine" is not installed | 17:44 |
n4dir | i think with systemd you systemctl --user ; or such to stop pulseaudio. | 17:45 |
fsmithred | then maybe try loginctl | 17:45 |
fsmithred | if elogind is installed | 17:45 |
fsmithred | s | 17:45 |
n4dir | oh, never heard of that | 17:45 |
n4dir | will try it later. | 17:46 |
n4dir | first real life problem: sunflower seeds. :-) | 17:47 |
fsmithred | what about them? | 17:47 |
n4dir | i first need to get them. Not enought time to investigate loginctl right now | 17:47 |
n4dir | and apulse is kind of a solution for, say, firefox needing pulseaudio? | 17:49 |
fsmithred | nouveau: kernel rejected pushbuf: No such file or directory | 17:49 |
fsmithred | yeah, apulse is to replace pulseaudio | 17:49 |
fsmithred | mainly for ff, but works for other things, too | 17:49 |
n4dir | ok. Good, thanks to james1138 then. | 17:49 |
fsmithred | I think it works with that microsoft chat thingy | 17:50 |
fsmithred | damn, I can't remember the name. | 17:50 |
n4dir | gotta keep it in mind, as as anyone else i don't really need jack. And sure not on all machines | 17:50 |
fsmithred | so that file that falkon is complaining about is only found in nvidia packages. | 17:51 |
n4dir | uhum. And you got nvidia? | 17:51 |
fsmithred | nouveau | 17:51 |
n4dir | hmm. ... | 17:52 |
n4dir | well: as said, i don't think it is worth to troubleshoot falkon. | 17:52 |
L29Ah | what "Package:" line do i put in a bug report email if it is about release images? | 18:05 |
fsmithred | hang on... | 18:05 |
james1138 | Glad to help whenever I can n4dir. | 18:06 |
ShorTie | those images where made, but never tested | 18:06 |
fsmithred | devuan-installer | 18:06 |
fsmithred | waht images? | 18:07 |
ShorTie | any of the rpi images i do believe | 18:08 |
fsmithred | the ones in the debian-installer tree are built but not tested | 18:08 |
fsmithred | the community-built images I assume have been tested | 18:09 |
ShorTie | mine works fine .. :)~ | 18:09 |
fsmithred | the ones at http://arm-files.devuan.org/ are the community images | 18:10 |
ShorTie | you guys deleted my working image | 18:11 |
fsmithred | where was it? | 18:11 |
ShorTie | never to be uploaded again, lol. | 18:11 |
fsmithred | I don't recall deleting any of the images | 18:11 |
ShorTie | the old github thingy | 18:11 |
fsmithred | oh | 18:12 |
ShorTie | link is in the forums | 18:12 |
fsmithred | if you have a copy of the repo, you should make an account at the new git and upload it | 18:12 |
fsmithred | then we can fix the link | 18:12 |
ShorTie | the script to make it is on my github, be my guess | 18:14 |
fsmithred | oh, just add another post to the thread with the github link | 18:14 |
fsmithred | oh, weird typo I almost sent: gitbug | 18:15 |
fsmithred | falkon with nouveau works if started like this: QT_XCB_FORCE_SOFTWARE_OPENGL=1 falkon | 18:17 |
fsmithred | I had to add libqt5webengine5. It did not get installed along with falkon. | 18:18 |
suavedandy | fsmithred: Where can I find Refracta Installer's config file? | 18:26 |
fsmithred | suavedandy, /etc/refractainstaller.conf | 18:28 |
suavedandy | Thanks. | 18:29 |
suavedandy | fsmithred: But how do I edit the script? | 18:39 |
fsmithred | what are you trying to do? | 18:40 |
suavedandy | BtrFS. | 18:40 |
suavedandy | So I won't get my system broken next time. | 18:41 |
fsmithred | I don't know how to do it. I have done it and I have written about it on the forum. The last post in one of those threads summarizes how to do it with refractainstaller and how to do it with the devuan-installer. | 18:42 |
fsmithred | I do not recall editing the script, but if I did, I would have said so in the thread. | 18:43 |
suavedandy | It's written in the summary. | 18:47 |
fsmithred | line numbers to edit are referenced here: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=19488#p19488 | 18:52 |
fsmithred | afk | 18:53 |
Wafficus | Hi there, I have a question regarding installing Jami | 21:10 |
Wafficus | I installed it via the Debian based instructions on the Jami website | 21:10 |
Wafficus | however, when I followed the instructions on the page: | 21:10 |
Wafficus | https://jami.net/download-jami-linux/#open-modal-ubuntu-18.04-64-bit | 21:11 |
Wafficus | *under Debian | 21:11 |
Wafficus | I received this particular set of error lines regarding a dependency, and I'm wondering its because I'm using Devuan | 21:11 |
Wafficus | : | 21:11 |
Wafficus | sam@samdevuan ~ $ sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install jami | 21:11 |
Wafficus | Get:1 https://dl.jami.net/nightly/ubuntu_18.04 ring InRelease [3,632 B] | 21:11 |
Wafficus | Get:2 https://dl.jami.net/nightly/ubuntu_18.04 ring/main i386 Packages [1,807 B] | 21:11 |
Wafficus | Get:3 https://dl.jami.net/nightly/ubuntu_18.04 ring/main amd64 Packages [1,807 B] | 21:11 |
Wafficus | Hit:4 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf InRelease | 21:11 |
Wafficus | Get:5 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security InRelease [25.6 kB] | 21:11 |
Wafficus | Get:6 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-updates InRelease [26.0 kB] | 21:11 |
Wafficus | Get:7 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security/main Sources [131 kB] | 21:11 |
Wafficus | Hey there | 21:23 |
Wafficus | sorry about the overpaste earlier | 21:24 |
Wafficus | My tmux session has a mind of its own | 21:24 |
Wafficus | sorry about the overpaste earlier | 21:24 |
Wafficus | is there anyway to also obtain "libqrencode3" onto my Devuan system? | 21:24 |
Wafficus | I ask because I currently have "libqrencode4" installed, but I think Jami wants "libqrencode3" | 21:24 |
Wafficus | ah i see that the "libqrencode3" packages is available in Debian Jessie: | 21:27 |
Wafficus | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/libqrencode3 | 21:27 |
Wafficus | I did lsb_release -a, and it appears that I am on Devuan Beowulf, though I can't remember if I forced it to upgrade to Sid. I think it has to be on Sid because I'm able to see the "libqrencode4" package in "apt-cache search libqrencode": https://packages.debian.org/sid/libqrencode4 | 21:29 |
Wafficus | I ask because I don't know how to use a previous release's packages. I'm assuming you have to adjust the apt list somehow | 21:29 |
gnarface | Wafficus: in theory yea, you could just get that package from the jessie repos by changing your sources.list | 21:32 |
Wafficus | is it possible just to modify it slightly to do this | 21:33 |
gnarface | Wafficus: yea, but needing to do so in the first place suggests you're using the wrong version of Jami | 21:33 |
Wafficus | the thing is, the one in the repos I think is old | 21:33 |
Wafficus | reason being is that I think the newer Jami depends upon QR codes | 21:33 |
Wafficus | which isn't present from the Devuan package repo | 21:34 |
gnarface | ? | 21:34 |
gnarface | hmm | 21:34 |
Wafficus | like | 21:34 |
Wafficus | you have to exchange QR codes between two people I believe | 21:34 |
Wafficus | I'm pursuing this because I actively use Devuan on my Linux laptop | 21:34 |
gnarface | well the package thinks it needs libqrencode3 but that's not proof the software can't use libqrencode4 instead | 21:34 |
gnarface | so there's that too | 21:34 |
gnarface | is there source available for Jami? i know nothing about it | 21:34 |
Wafficus | and my mom uses a Windows 10 laptop, so I'm trying to see if I can get Jami working on my work laptop running Windows 10 and seeing if I can actually do a call with the same version using my Devuan laptop | 21:34 |
Wafficus | but the last line indicates this though | 21:35 |
Wafficus | one sec | 21:35 |
Wafficus | will grab just the LAST line not the full set ha | 21:35 |
golinux | Wafficus: Based on Debian does not equate to being Debian. Ubuntu packages may not be compatible. | 21:36 |
Wafficus | jami : Depends: libqrencode3 (>= 3.2.0) but it is not installable | 21:36 |
Wafficus | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. | 21:36 |
gnarface | right, so you can either rebuild jami or you can rebuild libqrencode3 | 21:36 |
gnarface | those are the only two kosher ways to do this | 21:37 |
gnarface | you shouldn't be mixing distros or even distro release versions | 21:37 |
gnarface | so you're asking for trouble already | 21:37 |
gnarface | there's a number of ways you can fudge it but they're all ill-advised and i don't know if they'll even work when it comes down to it | 21:38 |
gnarface | jami seems to be in ceres | 21:38 |
gnarface | if it's not in beowulf, maybe try building the ceres version instead | 21:38 |
gnarface | actually, if it's popular and easy to rebuild there's a good chance it would be in beowulf-backports already. did you check there for it? | 21:39 |
gnarface | getting it from *ubuntu* is suicidal | 21:40 |
gnarface | i hope you have a backup from before you installed any ubuntu packages, in case it all goes sideways in a very predictable fashion | 21:40 |
Wafficus | yeah I realized I should have been using the Debian 10 instructions | 21:40 |
Wafficus | dumb mistake on my part | 21:40 |
Wafficus | I since removed the jami reference in the /etc | 21:41 |
Wafficus | so we're ok | 21:41 |
Wafficus | even with the nightly build, it looks a bit different from the Windows version | 21:41 |
Wafficus | however, maybe its just me being new to it, but I tried to do a video call from the Devuan laptop to the Windows one, and that didn't seem to work. It just failed upon trying | 21:41 |
clort | i see libqrencode4 on devuan ceres | 21:41 |
fsmithred | Wafficus, is there some reason why you don't want to use jami from the repo? | 21:41 |
Wafficus | Not sure if I need to just add the QR code accordingly or something, I'll have to check out a YouTube video | 21:41 |
Wafficus | I wanted the latest nightly build | 21:42 |
Wafficus | just to make sure it was compatible with the latest Windows Build | 21:42 |
gnarface | Wafficus: the debian 10 instructions might not include the necessary permission settings for devuan | 21:42 |
clort | there's a jami from devuan repo, yes. | 21:42 |
Wafficus | I've been burned in the past before for trying an incompatible or old version of stuff like Jitsi Meet before in a similar fashion | 21:42 |
fsmithred | 2019 versions in repo | 21:42 |
Wafficus | right, not the latest nightly build though | 21:42 |
gnarface | Wafficus: the windows version might work in wine | 21:43 |
Wafficus | anyway, I got it to run with their instructions, just trying to figure out why the test call isn't working unfortunately | 21:43 |
gnarface | Wafficus: if it matters that much to you | 21:43 |
Wafficus | hmm, that's not a bad idea if all else fails to be honest | 21:43 |
gnarface | Wafficus: that even would still be less destructive of a plan than mixing in ubuntu packages | 21:43 |
clort | dropping in packages from ubuntu or debian can cause problems | 21:43 |
Wafficus | I gotcha, i'll try the Windows version as well for compatibility's sake | 21:49 |
clort | it's also out-of-bounds for devuan support | 21:50 |
gnarface | Wafficus: note that a super common thing for windows programs to choke on is just missing the stock fonts. (i recommend installing corefonts and tahoma from winetricks; fonts are pretty harmless) | 21:50 |
clort | newer packages than beowulf are available in ceres | 21:52 |
Wafficus | yeah I tried this with Wine, but no dice :/ | 21:52 |
Wafficus | sam@samdevuan ~/Downloads $ wine jami.release.x64.msi | 21:52 |
Wafficus | wine: Bad EXE format for Z:\home\sam\Downloads\jami.release.x64.msi. | 21:52 |
gnarface | no you can't just run msi files like that i don't think | 21:52 |
gnarface | i thought you had to install them a different way... hmmm | 21:52 |
gnarface | i forget though | 21:52 |
gnarface | also, the "wine" package is ancient, try wine-development instead | 21:53 |
gnarface | (or wine-staging from the winehq.org site as a last resrot) | 21:53 |
gnarface | *resort | 21:53 |
Wafficus | ok, wine-development it is | 21:58 |
Wafficus | will check this in a bit, cool thanks | 21:58 |
gnarface | just make sure you don't mix wine package versions, either | 21:59 |
gnarface | dpkg -l |grep wine | 21:59 |
gnarface | make sure to remove old versions first | 22:00 |
Wafficus | good idea | 22:00 |
gnarface | default prefix is ~/.wine but you can set it to anything with $WINEPREFIX | 22:00 |
gnarface | so you can have more than one of them that way | 22:00 |
gnarface | so you can try different stuff in parallel installs | 22:00 |
n4dir | fsmithred: just a little info: if i stop pulseaudio from cadence before i stop jack, that works too. | 22:00 |
gnarface | Wafficus: although to be fair if their linux and windows versions aren't compatible it seems like a huge failing, and you should probably see what's up with that... maybe it's just a bug | 22:01 |
Wafficus | currently I have "wine-4.0 (Debian 4.0-2)" installed | 22:03 |
Wafficus | I don't depend upon it at all, so I'm ok with uninstalling and trying the wine-development instead | 22:04 |
gnarface | oh | 22:05 |
gnarface | also fyi | 22:06 |
gnarface | wine msiexec /i whatever-filename.msi | 22:06 |
gnarface | or | 22:06 |
gnarface | wine start whatever-filename.msi | 22:06 |
gnarface | according to askubuntu.com | 22:06 |
gnarface | WINEARCH="win64" WINEPREFIX=/path/to/wineprefix wine msiexec /i /path/to/filename.msi | 22:07 |
gnarface | something like that maybe | 22:07 |
gnarface | Wafficus: ^ | 22:07 |
Wafficus | yep I just found that too | 22:07 |
Wafficus | *command | 22:07 |
Wafficus | I'm getting a "0009:err:mscoree:LoadLIbraryShim error reading registry key for installroot" | 22:08 |
Wafficus | when doing: wine msiexec /i jami.release.x64.msi | 22:08 |
gnarface | that's with wine or wine-development? | 22:08 |
Wafficus | wine-development | 22:08 |
gnarface | hmmm | 22:08 |
Wafficus | I wonder if I have to do it as root | 22:08 |
gnarface | no no | 22:08 |
gnarface | you should not have to do that | 22:08 |
gnarface | you might need to run winecfg to change the windows version or something though | 22:08 |
gnarface | or install some non-free libraries from winetricks | 22:09 |
gnarface | or go to wine-staging which is at version 5.21 | 22:09 |
gnarface | or higher | 22:09 |
gnarface | running wine as root will jack up your wineprefix permissions and break other stuff, don't do it | 22:10 |
gnarface | *do* run winecfg and look over the settings just to be familiar with them | 22:11 |
gnarface | you will often need to at least change the default windows version it reports itself as | 22:11 |
Wafficus | hmm I see | 22:17 |
Wafficus | hmm maybe i should just look for something else that works for video but is privacy minded | 22:19 |
Wafficus | I hate how cross-platform just doesn't work outta the box though | 22:19 |
Wafficus | really annoying for someone like me that wants to just do a video call but doesn't wanna get spied on | 22:19 |
gnarface | yea that's whack | 22:19 |
Wafficus | anyway, but yeah I'll do some more research | 22:19 |
gnarface | have you checked their own support forums/channels about it? | 22:19 |
Wafficus | thanks for the help so far | 22:19 |
Wafficus | yeah idk, haven't tried that route | 22:20 |
gnarface | maybe a known issue there | 22:20 |
gnarface | the real question is what their excuse is | 22:20 |
Wafficus | worth a shot to look on their GitHub issue page | 22:20 |
gnarface | there's other stuff you can use | 22:20 |
gnarface | if it's just for 2 people all you need is ssh and ffmpeg | 22:20 |
gnarface | or vlc | 22:20 |
Wafficus | I tried Jami, and Jitsi Meet so far, its been a mess | 22:20 |
Wafficus | well the other person is an older relative using Windows 10 | 22:21 |
Wafficus | so that's the part that makes it hard honestly | 22:21 |
Wafficus | trying to teach my Mom how to use ssh and ffmpeg would be a feat imo | 22:21 |
Wafficus | but I hear what you're saying | 22:21 |
gnarface | well, in theory you could provide a vlc one-liner to someone on any platform vlc supports | 22:21 |
Wafficus | if I lived closer, man, I could easily just setup a Linux box for this kind of thing, that's what sucks, I don't | 22:21 |
Wafficus | I didn't know you could use VLC to do video chats though | 22:21 |
Wafficus | interesting | 22:21 |
gnarface | yea it can do video capture and webcams and streaming | 22:22 |
n4dir | as long the mother is fine with the command line and ssh is setup, there is not much to learn about, is there? | 22:22 |
gnarface | and if you're really careful about the settings and have enough bandwidth, it can do all that at once | 22:22 |
fsmithred | what do you do, run 'ssh -X' and then run vlc on the remote? | 22:23 |
gnarface | fsmithred: vlc should support https streaming directly | 22:24 |
gnarface | fsmithred: (among other things) | 22:24 |
fsmithred | so you need to set up a web server? | 22:24 |
gnarface | no | 22:24 |
gnarface | it has an embedded web server | 22:24 |
gnarface | you would just need to set up port forwarding on your router | 22:24 |
fsmithred | wow | 22:24 |
gnarface | that's not the only streaming protocol it supports | 22:24 |
gnarface | it has a lot of features actually | 22:25 |
Wafficus | lol even port forwarding involved | 22:25 |
Wafficus | even for someone like me | 22:25 |
Wafficus | I could only imagine the amount of struggle to try to tell someone what to do with port forwarding | 22:25 |
Wafficus | just being real with you | 22:25 |
gnarface | the only real problem is it's not smart enough to stop you from trying codecs and transport combinations that are invalid, so you just have to know what combinations actually work | 22:25 |
gnarface | the host wouldn't have to be on their end | 22:25 |
gnarface | so it's not like your clients would need to mess with THEIR routers, necessarily | 22:26 |
gnarface | but obviously for this to work P2P *someone* has to accept an incoming connection | 22:26 |
Wafficus | well, i'll be honest | 22:26 |
Wafficus | I want the easiest possible solution | 22:26 |
Wafficus | that doesn't spy on me, and is cross platform | 22:26 |
Wafficus | so far I've tried Jami and Jitsi Meet | 22:26 |
Wafficus | Jitsi does not work well in Firefox in both Linux and Windows | 22:27 |
Wafficus | even when she tried it in Ungoogled Chromium, it didn't work on Windows either | 22:27 |
gnarface | try avoiding web-based stuff | 22:27 |
fsmithred | yeah, I use chromium for jitsi meetings | 22:27 |
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