IanJ | That really didn't go well... | 00:42 |
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IanJ | I think I'd avoid following that migration until someone can verify it works for them. It certainly didn't work for me. | 00:43 |
fsmithred | IanJ, I haven't done it lately, but I've done it a few times and it worked. | 00:43 |
mason | IanJ: I've gone through it a few times. You should document what broke and we can work you through it. | 00:44 |
fsmithred | where did you have trouble? | 00:44 |
IanJ | Well, I managed to reboot ok after switching the packages and installing sysvinit. | 00:44 |
IanJ | So I had sysvinit as pid1 | 00:44 |
* clort popcorns at people spending time with 'os issues' | 00:45 | |
IanJ | When I tried to remove the packages systemd and libnss-systemd it wouldn't remove them. | 00:45 |
mason | clot: Take unhelpful/antagonistic stuff to #devuan-offtopic. | 00:45 |
* tuxd3v mason +1 | 00:45 | |
mason | IanJ: Did you capture output such that you can pastebin it? | 00:46 |
mason | IanJ: Dinner now, but between everyone here we can likely help you complete the migration. | 00:46 |
mason | I'll check in soon. | 00:46 |
IanJ | Unfortunately it had all gone pretty wrong by then. I copied the bits of data I needed to the home partition to save them and did a fresh install. | 00:47 |
IanJ | So I'm on devuan now, but the migration didn't go too well. | 00:47 |
clort | i had one hairy migration too | 00:48 |
IanJ | It was like an rpm dependancy hell, I couldn't install stuff because it said other packages conflicted and I couldn't remove packages because they were required by other packages... | 00:48 |
clort | ended up making a big list of packages to dpkg-i | 00:48 |
clort | after some renormalization cycles, it got straightened out | 00:49 |
fsmithred | it's possible the guide needs to be upgraded or it's possible your configuration has a significant difference from what was tested | 00:49 |
floofywolf | IanJ: apt-get -f install sometimes fixes that, apt-get dist-upgrade often fixes that, aptitude occasionally fixes that. changing distros isn't always trivial. | 00:50 |
IanJ | floofywolf: I did try -f and updates, upgrades etc. But it was in some kind of gridlock. It did at one point ask me to run apt --fix-install or something but then complained about a user not being present. | 00:51 |
fsmithred | IanJ, what desktop were you using in buster? | 00:51 |
miskatonic | I avoid these migration turmoils and prefer to install from anew | 00:51 |
IanJ | miskatonic: that's what I did in the end. | 00:51 |
IanJ | fsmithred: I was using i3wm. | 00:52 |
fsmithred | ok, that should work, but there must be some trick. | 00:53 |
IanJ | After fighting with it the reboot started, gave me three kernel module errors and then failed to mount the drive partitions. | 00:53 |
fsmithred | and I'm gonna guess that it had to do with elogind and libpam-elogind | 00:53 |
fsmithred | and maybe libelogind0 | 00:53 |
IanJ | It got to the press ctrl-d to repair system, but the keyboard was unresponsive. | 00:53 |
IanJ | At that point I figured I was pretty hosed. | 00:54 |
fsmithred | sometimes you have to install those specifically | 00:54 |
fsmithred | ouch | 00:54 |
IanJ | initramfs: couldn't load /aesni-intel.ko | 00:54 |
IanJ | padlockaes.ko, crc32c-intel.ko | 00:55 |
IanJ | that's all the notes I made unfortunately. | 00:55 |
IanJ | Anyway, much work to do now to get me back to where I was :) | 00:56 |
fsmithred | thanks for reporting, and sorry it didn't go so well | 00:56 |
IanJ | No problem, I forgot to start irc in tmux. brb | 00:57 |
IanJ | There's a lot to be said for having a separate /home partition at times like this :) | 00:58 |
fsmithred | yeah | 00:59 |
fsmithred | when you get around to upgrading to chimaera, it should go a lot better. | 00:59 |
IanJ | why on earth would installing mpv fetch down modemmanager? | 01:02 |
fsmithred | it's not a dependency or even a recommends | 01:04 |
fsmithred | try with --no-install-recommends | 01:05 |
fsmithred | or if it's already installed, 'aptitude why modemmanager' | 01:05 |
IanJ | https://termbin.com/0jij | 01:14 |
IanJ | There's a lot of irrelavent stuff in there it wants to install. | 01:15 |
IanJ | Same when I try to install firefox-esr. | 01:16 |
IanJ | The following NEW packages will be installed: | 01:16 |
IanJ | firefox-esr i965-va-driver intel-media-va-driver | 01:16 |
IanJ | Is it my adding non-free on my sources list? | 01:17 |
fsmithred | really, try without recommends | 01:17 |
IanJ | ok | 01:17 |
fsmithred | I don't believe that only one package is a rec | 01:17 |
fsmithred | and no, it should not add non-free or contrib if they aren't already there | 01:17 |
fsmithred | oh | 01:17 |
fsmithred | check sources.list | 01:18 |
fsmithred | you did a new install. If firmware is needed, it usually adds it. So non-free might be there. | 01:18 |
fsmithred | but I don't think that would account for all those packages | 01:18 |
miskatonic | but entries in the apt sourve list can be disabled after the base installation | 01:19 |
IanJ | that --no-install-recommends slims things down considerably. Now I get two packages for firefox-esr not 38, most of which seem totally unrelated. | 01:19 |
fsmithred | that sounds right | 01:20 |
IanJ | I'd added the non-free as I needed firmware for my radeon. | 01:22 |
IanJ | But taking those out I still have the same amount of packages going to be installed. | 01:23 |
fsmithred | yeah, you'll get more cruft from excessive recommends than you will from non-free | 01:23 |
xenial64-user2 | anybody have luck on a chomebook? | 06:11 |
clort | linus says he won't bother trying to get linux running on apple m1 | 06:13 |
xenial64-user2 | i want a touch screen, then what? | 06:23 |
xenial64-user2 | i also want to run midiox. for a synthesizer | 06:25 |
clort | the thinkpad x-series tablets had touchscreens | 06:35 |
clort | possibly less sick than google products | 06:35 |
systemdlete | I have a system sporting a nvidia geforce gt710. The problem is that it is freezing up the entire system now. I see occasional errors in the kernel log about some nvidia error. I'll try to get them over to this system so I can paste them | 07:46 |
systemdlete | http://paste.debian.net/1174208/ | 07:57 |
systemdlete | I also (sometimes) see that CSHW ERROR upon login to the console. | 08:01 |
systemdlete | http://paste.debian.net/1174209/ (I forgot to use the -a flag on grep; I pulled out all of the nouveau driver messages) | 08:04 |
gnarface | systemdlete: try the kernel & mesa from backports | 08:08 |
gnarface | systemdlete: they might be able to help in #nouveau but they'll want you to try a newer kernel too | 08:09 |
clort | systemdlete: using xfce? | 08:20 |
systemdlete | clort: No, actually mate. | 08:59 |
systemdlete | gnarface: Were you able to make out any clues from the log? | 09:00 |
systemdlete | those messages must have been nasty too because I had to use grep -a to pull out all of the nouveau errors. | 09:00 |
systemdlete | heat? | 09:02 |
systemdlete | It didn't work in my other machine either, and when I removed it, it was very hot! | 09:02 |
systemdlete | there is no fan on this model. | 09:02 |
clort | i don't use fans. i tie small birds to my heatsinks and frighten them with pictures of rachael maddow | 09:03 |
systemdlete | gnarface: OK, I'll try a newer kernel. | 09:03 |
systemdlete | clort: That probably works very well. She *is* frightening (but this is, again, OT) | 09:13 |
clort | fanless is great though. even if you must enslave small birds | 09:13 |
systemdlete | gnarface: I upgraded the kernel, but I don't see a newer nouveau driver in backports for beowulf. | 09:14 |
systemdlete | (clort: What about all the bird doo? I mean there's no moving parts to cause a problem, true, but still, it could rot the card) | 09:15 |
systemdlete | (What I am saying, clort, is that we don't have to worry about the s--- hitting the fan, because there is no fan, right? :) ) | 09:22 |
clort | that's a good point :) | 09:25 |
systemdlete | btw, you were right. It is xfce. I've got a lot of systems here... I forget what has what. | 09:35 |
clort | xcfe has triggered bizarre gpu problems for me - it may be fixed in latest | 09:36 |
systemdlete2 | logged in from my test box here | 09:38 |
systemdlete2 | the error I get when I launch a VM now is "libvirt.libvirtError: Operation not supported: operation 'setCpusetMemoryMigrate' not supported" | 09:39 |
systemdlete2 | Not too many hits about this. | 09:39 |
systemdlete2 | this seems to have some solution I could try: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=935734 | 09:42 |
systemdlete2 | only came up with google search. ddg only got a few hits | 09:43 |
systemdlete2 | yep. that worked. cgroups | 09:45 |
systemdlete | clort: ANy of those problems when running VM's? | 09:47 |
systemdlete | my beowulf vm in graphical mode gets a blank screen | 09:50 |
gnarface | systemdlete: the nouveau driver is part of the kernel | 10:05 |
gnarface | systemdlete: it's not packaged separately like the official one | 10:05 |
gnarface | systemdlete: make sure you get mesa from backports too if you get the kernel from there though.... they're usually tested as a set | 10:06 |
IanJ | Strange thing. I installed nginx, managed to mess up the config so I decided to reinstall it to put the files back but nothing gets written back to /etc/nginx upon reinstalling the nginx package? | 10:06 |
gnarface | IanJ: by default it won't overwrite the old config | 10:07 |
IanJ | gnarface: I removed the entire directory... | 10:07 |
gnarface | IanJ: try removing nginx with --purge | 10:07 |
IanJ | Did that. | 10:07 |
gnarface | ok, maybe the config is in a separate package? | 10:07 |
gnarface | dpkg -l |grep nginx | 10:08 |
systemdlete2 | gnarface: I have about 8 mesa packages installed -- upgrade all from backports? | 10:09 |
gnarface | systemdlete2: yes | 10:09 |
IanJ | says installed, but nothing much else. | 10:10 |
IanJ | let me find a pastebin | 10:11 |
IanJ | https://termbin.com/4j92 | 10:12 |
gnarface | use paste.debian.net please? | 10:13 |
gnarface | just purge them all | 10:13 |
gnarface | purge every nginx* package | 10:13 |
gnarface | i see 8 in the repos for ceres | 10:13 |
IanJ | ok | 10:14 |
gnarface | shouldn't be anything you can't re-download from the repo unless it came from someone else's repo | 10:14 |
gnarface | bug nginx shouldn't have to | 10:15 |
gnarface | but* | 10:15 |
IanJ | I've only got nginx installed and I'm using a fresh install of devuan beowulf | 10:15 |
IanJ | I've tried purging it and reinstalling several times and had no success with the missing files. | 10:15 |
systemdlete2 | gnarface: Seems they are all up to date? | 10:16 |
gnarface | IanJ: try "dpkg -S nginx" | 10:16 |
IanJ | ok | 10:16 |
gnarface | systemdlete2: apt-get -t beowulf-backports install [package name] ? | 10:16 |
systemdlete2 | right | 10:16 |
systemdlete2 | (similar) | 10:16 |
gnarface | already got it previously? | 10:17 |
gnarface | maybe there isn't a new one for beowulf but i could have sworn there was... | 10:17 |
systemdlete2 | apt install -t beowulf-backports libegl-mesa0 libegl1-mesa libgl1-mesa-dri libglapi-mesa libglu1-mesa libglx-mesa0 mesa-va-drivers mesa-vdpau-drivers | 10:18 |
gnarface | the man page says -t has to come before install | 10:18 |
gnarface | it might be ignoring it | 10:19 |
gnarface | (there might be a warning about it in the output you didn't notice) | 10:19 |
systemdlete2 | No. It tells me each one is already the newest | 10:19 |
systemdlete2 | no warning, no errors | 10:19 |
gnarface | interesting | 10:20 |
gnarface | well, the only real further you can go is compiling it | 10:21 |
gnarface | and the kernel | 10:21 |
gnarface | has it froze again since upgrading to the backports kernel? | 10:21 |
gnarface | if it hasn't maybe just wait and see | 10:21 |
systemdlete2 | so far, so good. | 10:22 |
systemdlete2 | but the blank screen in the VM... | 10:22 |
gnarface | ah right | 10:23 |
gnarface | dunno about that | 10:23 |
systemdlete2 | normally, at least in vbox, if that happens (and it does a lot lately), I can switch to a console and back to vt7 and that fixes it | 10:23 |
systemdlete2 | (until the next reboot) | 10:23 |
gnarface | is there a package for it in backports too? | 10:23 |
systemdlete2 | but I am not running a login manager | 10:23 |
IanJ | ok, I've got it back now. Uninstalling the nginx meta package doesn't uninstall everything, nginx-full / nginx-light | 10:23 |
gnarface | IanJ: good to hear you got it worked out | 10:23 |
IanJ | :) | 10:23 |
IanJ | It was driving me slightly crazy. | 10:24 |
systemdlete2 | the vm is running beowulf, but it is on a vbox .vdi disk image. I haven't converted it. | 10:25 |
systemdlete2 | Not sure if/why that would matter | 10:25 |
systemdlete2 | oh... | 10:26 |
systemdlete2 | lxqt... maybe that is the problem | 10:26 |
gnarface | dunno anything about it, sorry | 10:28 |
gnarface | something could still be mismatched though | 10:28 |
systemdlete2 | well both my vms just crashed, along with virt-manager | 10:32 |
gnarface | there's no libvirt in backports? | 10:33 |
gnarface | or the related stuff? | 10:33 |
gnarface | oh | 10:33 |
gnarface | there isn't a libvirt but there is a virt-manager | 10:33 |
systemdlete2 | correction. The VMs did not crash | 10:34 |
gnarface | also, it's not much but there's glx-alternative-mesa | 10:34 |
systemdlete2 | I upgraded virt-manager | 10:34 |
gnarface | which is weird that it's there alone, but maybe important | 10:34 |
gnarface | (glx-alternative-mesa, that is) | 10:34 |
systemdlete2 | should I install glx-alternative-mesa | 10:36 |
systemdlete2 | ? | 10:36 |
gnarface | since it's in backports and you installed the backports kernel, yes, but like i said, it seems weird that it's there alone | 10:37 |
systemdlete2 | do I need to uninstall mesa first? | 10:37 |
gnarface | no, normally there'd be a dozen or so other mesa packages, as you well know | 10:38 |
gnarface | you'd see them | 10:38 |
gnarface | maybe "coming soon" | 10:38 |
systemdlete2 | it wants to install nvidia-installer-cleanup and update-glx. This sounds promising | 10:39 |
gnarface | hmmm | 10:39 |
gnarface | did you have official binary drivers on there before? | 10:39 |
systemdlete2 | I'm wondering if I need to update or change anything in the guest also | 10:39 |
gnarface | i'm not sure it'd need nvidia-installer-cleanup if you didn't have the official drivers before | 10:39 |
systemdlete2 | gnarface: I just inserted this card about 3 days ago | 10:40 |
systemdlete2 | before that, it was using another nvidia card, which I stole because my other box was having problems with its onboard hdmi | 10:40 |
gnarface | have you intended to use the official drivers for it? you know the open source nouveau driver will have significantly limited functionality, and depend on mesa, right? | 10:40 |
systemdlete2 | no. I'm no expert on that | 10:40 |
gnarface | oh i see, so you didn't use nouveau on purpose? | 10:41 |
systemdlete2 | right | 10:41 |
gnarface | you might might want to switch then, unless you have some ethical or security concern | 10:41 |
systemdlete2 | I forget what's on the board on this machine | 10:41 |
systemdlete2 | well, actually... | 10:41 |
systemdlete2 | I'm trying hard to keep my systems free of f-ware | 10:42 |
gnarface | oh | 10:42 |
systemdlete2 | so I finished the alternative install... shut down VMs | 10:43 |
systemdlete2 | should I logout or even reboot? | 10:43 |
systemdlete2 | just to make sure all the parts load, etc. | 10:44 |
systemdlete2 | ctl-alt-backspace: Would that suffice? | 10:44 |
gnarface | you should reboot for this stuff just to be sure | 10:46 |
gnarface | glx no, video drivers yes | 10:46 |
gnarface | sometimes hard to separate the two though | 10:46 |
systemdlete2 | back soon... | 10:47 |
gnarface | any difference? | 10:51 |
systemdlete2 | eh... yeah. This time, the entire desktop (xorg) crashed. | 10:51 |
gnarface | damn | 10:51 |
systemdlete2 | when I went to launch a VM | 10:51 |
gnarface | well, go back to the previous version then, probably | 10:51 |
systemdlete2 | wish I could get the log for that... | 10:51 |
systemdlete2 | previous version of which? | 10:52 |
gnarface | previous version of glx-alternative-mesa... uninstall those other two, nvidia-installer-cleanup and update-glx | 10:52 |
systemdlete2 | I've upgraded the kernel, libvirt, and mesa | 10:52 |
systemdlete2 | ok | 10:52 |
gnarface | keep the updated virt-manager | 10:52 |
gnarface | unless it still fails after rolling the other stuff back, then roll virt-manager back too | 10:53 |
systemdlete2 | rebooting... | 10:54 |
systemdlete | leave messages for me (not systemdlete2). 2 is open on the test box, which might crash again | 12:07 |
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