libera/#devuan/ Wednesday, 2020-11-25

IanJThat really didn't go well...00:42
IanJI think I'd avoid following that migration until someone can verify it works for them. It certainly didn't work for me.00:43
fsmithredIanJ, I haven't done it lately, but I've done it a few times and it worked.00:43
masonIanJ: I've gone through it a few times. You should document what broke and we can work you through it.00:44
fsmithredwhere did you have trouble?00:44
IanJWell, I managed to reboot ok after switching the packages and installing sysvinit.00:44
IanJSo I had sysvinit as pid100:44
* clort popcorns at people spending time with 'os issues'00:45
IanJWhen I tried to remove the packages systemd and libnss-systemd it wouldn't remove them.00:45
masonclot: Take unhelpful/antagonistic stuff to #devuan-offtopic.00:45
* tuxd3v mason +100:45
masonIanJ: Did you capture output such that you can pastebin it?00:46
masonIanJ: Dinner now, but between everyone here we can likely help you complete the migration.00:46
masonI'll check in soon.00:46
IanJUnfortunately it had all gone pretty wrong by then. I copied the bits of data I needed to the home partition to save them and did a fresh install.00:47
IanJSo I'm on devuan now, but the migration didn't go too well.00:47
clorti had one hairy migration too00:48
IanJIt was like an rpm dependancy hell, I couldn't install stuff because it said other packages conflicted and I couldn't remove packages because they were required by other packages...00:48
clortended up making a big list of packages to dpkg-i00:48
clortafter some renormalization cycles, it got straightened out00:49
fsmithredit's possible the guide needs to be upgraded or it's possible your configuration has a significant difference from what was tested00:49
floofywolfIanJ:  apt-get -f install sometimes fixes that, apt-get dist-upgrade often fixes that, aptitude occasionally fixes that.  changing distros isn't always trivial.00:50
IanJfloofywolf: I did try -f and updates, upgrades etc. But it was in some kind of gridlock. It did at one point ask me to run apt --fix-install or something but then complained about a user not being present.00:51
fsmithredIanJ, what desktop were you using in buster?00:51
miskatonicI avoid these migration turmoils and prefer to install from anew00:51
IanJmiskatonic: that's what I did in the end.00:51
IanJfsmithred: I was using i3wm.00:52
fsmithredok, that should work, but there must be some trick.00:53
IanJAfter fighting with it the reboot started, gave me three kernel module errors and then failed to mount the drive partitions.00:53
fsmithredand I'm gonna guess that it had to do with elogind and libpam-elogind00:53
fsmithredand maybe libelogind000:53
IanJIt got to the press ctrl-d to repair system, but the keyboard was unresponsive.00:53
IanJAt that point I figured I was pretty hosed.00:54
fsmithredsometimes you have to install those specifically00:54
fsmithredouch00:54
IanJinitramfs: couldn't load /aesni-intel.ko00:54
IanJpadlockaes.ko, crc32c-intel.ko00:55
IanJthat's all the notes I made unfortunately.00:55
IanJAnyway, much work to do now to get me back to where I was :)00:56
fsmithredthanks for reporting, and sorry it didn't go so well00:56
IanJNo problem, I forgot to start irc in tmux. brb00:57
IanJThere's a lot to be said for having a separate /home partition at times like this :)00:58
fsmithredyeah00:59
fsmithredwhen you get around to upgrading to chimaera, it should go a lot better.00:59
IanJwhy on earth would installing mpv fetch down modemmanager?01:02
fsmithredit's not a dependency or even a recommends01:04
fsmithredtry with --no-install-recommends01:05
fsmithredor if it's already installed, 'aptitude why modemmanager'01:05
IanJhttps://termbin.com/0jij01:14
IanJThere's a lot of irrelavent stuff in there it wants to install.01:15
IanJSame when I try to install firefox-esr.01:16
IanJThe following NEW packages will be installed:01:16
IanJ  firefox-esr i965-va-driver intel-media-va-driver01:16
IanJIs it my adding non-free on my sources list?01:17
fsmithredreally, try without recommends01:17
IanJok01:17
fsmithredI don't believe that only one package is a rec01:17
fsmithredand no, it should not add non-free or contrib if they aren't already there01:17
fsmithredoh01:17
fsmithredcheck sources.list01:18
fsmithredyou did a new install. If firmware is needed, it usually adds it. So non-free might be there.01:18
fsmithredbut I don't think that would account for all those packages01:18
miskatonicbut entries in the apt sourve list can be disabled after the base installation01:19
IanJthat --no-install-recommends slims things down considerably. Now I get two packages for firefox-esr not 38, most of which seem totally unrelated.01:19
fsmithredthat sounds right01:20
IanJI'd added the non-free as I needed firmware for my radeon.01:22
IanJBut taking those out I still have the same amount of packages going to be installed.01:23
fsmithredyeah, you'll get more cruft from excessive recommends than you will from non-free01:23
xenial64-user2anybody have luck on a chomebook?06:11
clortlinus says he won't bother trying to get linux running on apple m106:13
xenial64-user2i want a touch screen, then what?06:23
xenial64-user2i also want to run midiox. for a synthesizer06:25
clortthe thinkpad x-series tablets had touchscreens06:35
clortpossibly less sick than google products06:35
systemdleteI have a system sporting a nvidia geforce gt710.  The problem is that it is freezing up the entire system now.  I see occasional errors in the kernel log about some nvidia error.  I'll try to get them over to this system so I can paste them07:46
systemdletehttp://paste.debian.net/1174208/07:57
systemdleteI also (sometimes) see that CSHW ERROR upon login to the console.08:01
systemdletehttp://paste.debian.net/1174209/ (I forgot to use the -a flag on grep; I pulled out all of the nouveau driver messages)08:04
gnarfacesystemdlete: try the kernel & mesa from backports08:08
gnarfacesystemdlete: they might be able to help in #nouveau but they'll want you to try a newer kernel too08:09
clortsystemdlete: using xfce?08:20
systemdleteclort:  No, actually mate.08:59
systemdletegnarface:  Were you able to make out any clues from the log?09:00
systemdletethose messages must have been nasty too because I had to use grep -a to pull out all of the nouveau errors.09:00
systemdleteheat?09:02
systemdleteIt didn't work in my other machine either, and when I removed it, it was very hot!09:02
systemdletethere is no fan on this model.09:02
clorti don't use fans.  i tie small birds to my heatsinks and frighten them with pictures of rachael maddow09:03
systemdletegnarface:  OK, I'll try a newer kernel.09:03
systemdleteclort:  That probably works very well.  She *is* frightening (but this is, again, OT)09:13
clortfanless is great though. even if you must enslave small birds09:13
systemdletegnarface:  I upgraded the kernel, but I don't see a newer nouveau driver in backports for beowulf.09:14
systemdlete(clort:  What about all the bird doo?  I mean there's no moving parts to cause a problem, true, but still, it could rot the card)09:15
systemdlete(What I am saying, clort, is that we don't have to worry about the s--- hitting the fan, because there is no fan, right?   :)  )09:22
clortthat's a good point :)09:25
systemdletebtw, you were right.  It is xfce.  I've got a lot of systems here... I forget what has what.09:35
clortxcfe has triggered bizarre gpu problems for me - it may be fixed in latest09:36
systemdlete2logged in from my test box here09:38
systemdlete2the error I get when I launch a VM now is "libvirt.libvirtError: Operation not supported: operation 'setCpusetMemoryMigrate' not supported"09:39
systemdlete2Not too many hits about this.09:39
systemdlete2this seems to have some solution I could try: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=93573409:42
systemdlete2only came up with google search.  ddg only got  a few hits09:43
systemdlete2yep.  that worked.  cgroups09:45
systemdleteclort:  ANy of those problems when running VM's?09:47
systemdletemy beowulf vm in graphical mode gets a blank screen09:50
gnarfacesystemdlete: the nouveau driver is part of the kernel10:05
gnarfacesystemdlete: it's not packaged separately like the official one10:05
gnarfacesystemdlete: make sure you get mesa from backports too if you get the kernel from there though.... they're usually tested as a set10:06
IanJStrange thing. I installed nginx, managed to mess up the config so I decided to reinstall it to put the files back but nothing gets written back to /etc/nginx upon reinstalling the nginx package?10:06
gnarfaceIanJ: by default it won't overwrite the old config10:07
IanJgnarface: I removed the entire directory...10:07
gnarfaceIanJ: try removing nginx with --purge10:07
IanJDid that.10:07
gnarfaceok, maybe the config is in a separate package?10:07
gnarfacedpkg -l |grep nginx10:08
systemdlete2gnarface:  I have about 8 mesa packages installed -- upgrade all from backports?10:09
gnarfacesystemdlete2: yes10:09
IanJsays installed, but nothing much else.10:10
IanJlet me find a pastebin10:11
IanJhttps://termbin.com/4j9210:12
gnarfaceuse paste.debian.net please?10:13
gnarfacejust purge them all10:13
gnarfacepurge every nginx* package10:13
gnarfacei see 8 in the repos for ceres10:13
IanJok10:14
gnarfaceshouldn't be anything you can't re-download from the repo unless it came from someone else's repo10:14
gnarfacebug nginx shouldn't have to10:15
gnarfacebut*10:15
IanJI've only got nginx installed and I'm using a fresh install of devuan beowulf10:15
IanJI've tried purging it and reinstalling several times and had no success with the missing files.10:15
systemdlete2gnarface:  Seems they are all up to date?10:16
gnarfaceIanJ: try "dpkg -S nginx"10:16
IanJok10:16
gnarfacesystemdlete2: apt-get -t beowulf-backports install [package name] ?10:16
systemdlete2right10:16
systemdlete2(similar)10:16
gnarfacealready got it previously?10:17
gnarfacemaybe there isn't a new one for beowulf but i could have sworn there was...10:17
systemdlete2apt install -t beowulf-backports libegl-mesa0 libegl1-mesa libgl1-mesa-dri libglapi-mesa libglu1-mesa libglx-mesa0 mesa-va-drivers mesa-vdpau-drivers10:18
gnarfacethe man page says -t has to come before install10:18
gnarfaceit might be ignoring it10:19
gnarface(there might be a warning about it in the output you didn't notice)10:19
systemdlete2No.  It tells me each one is already the newest10:19
systemdlete2no warning, no errors10:19
gnarfaceinteresting10:20
gnarfacewell, the only real further you can go is compiling it10:21
gnarfaceand the kernel10:21
gnarfacehas it froze again since upgrading to the backports kernel?10:21
gnarfaceif it hasn't maybe just wait and see10:21
systemdlete2so far, so good.10:22
systemdlete2but the blank screen in the VM...10:22
gnarfaceah right10:23
gnarfacedunno about that10:23
systemdlete2normally, at least in vbox, if that happens (and it does a lot lately), I can switch to a console and back to vt7 and that fixes it10:23
systemdlete2(until the next reboot)10:23
gnarfaceis there a package for it in backports too?10:23
systemdlete2but I am not running a login manager10:23
IanJok, I've got it back now. Uninstalling the nginx meta package doesn't uninstall everything, nginx-full / nginx-light10:23
gnarfaceIanJ: good to hear you got it worked out10:23
IanJ:)10:23
IanJIt was driving me slightly crazy.10:24
systemdlete2the vm is running beowulf, but it is on a vbox .vdi disk image.  I haven't converted it.10:25
systemdlete2Not sure if/why that would matter10:25
systemdlete2oh...10:26
systemdlete2lxqt... maybe that is the problem10:26
gnarfacedunno anything about it, sorry10:28
gnarfacesomething could still be mismatched though10:28
systemdlete2well both my vms just crashed, along with virt-manager10:32
gnarfacethere's no libvirt in backports?10:33
gnarfaceor the related stuff?10:33
gnarfaceoh10:33
gnarfacethere isn't a libvirt but there is a virt-manager10:33
systemdlete2correction.  The VMs did not crash10:34
gnarfacealso, it's not much but there's glx-alternative-mesa10:34
systemdlete2I upgraded virt-manager10:34
gnarfacewhich is weird that it's there alone, but maybe important10:34
gnarface(glx-alternative-mesa, that is)10:34
systemdlete2should I install glx-alternative-mesa10:36
systemdlete2?10:36
gnarfacesince it's in backports and you installed the backports kernel, yes, but like i said, it seems weird that it's there alone10:37
systemdlete2do I need to uninstall mesa first?10:37
gnarfaceno, normally there'd be a dozen or so other mesa packages, as you well know10:38
gnarfaceyou'd see them10:38
gnarfacemaybe "coming soon"10:38
systemdlete2it wants to install nvidia-installer-cleanup and update-glx.  This sounds promising10:39
gnarfacehmmm10:39
gnarfacedid you have official binary drivers on there before?10:39
systemdlete2I'm wondering if I need to update or change anything in the guest also10:39
gnarfacei'm not sure it'd need nvidia-installer-cleanup if you didn't have the official drivers before10:39
systemdlete2gnarface:  I just inserted this card about 3 days ago10:40
systemdlete2before that, it was using another nvidia card, which I stole because my other box was having problems with its onboard hdmi10:40
gnarfacehave you intended to use the official drivers for it?  you know the open source nouveau driver will have significantly limited functionality, and depend on mesa, right?10:40
systemdlete2no.  I'm no expert on that10:40
gnarfaceoh i see, so you didn't use nouveau on purpose?10:41
systemdlete2right10:41
gnarfaceyou might might want to switch then, unless you have some ethical or security concern10:41
systemdlete2I forget what's on the board on this machine10:41
systemdlete2well, actually...10:41
systemdlete2I'm trying hard to keep my systems free of f-ware10:42
gnarfaceoh10:42
systemdlete2so I finished the alternative install... shut down VMs10:43
systemdlete2should I logout or even reboot?10:43
systemdlete2just to make sure all the parts load, etc.10:44
systemdlete2ctl-alt-backspace:  Would that suffice?10:44
gnarfaceyou should reboot for this stuff just to be sure10:46
gnarfaceglx no, video drivers yes10:46
gnarfacesometimes hard to separate the two though10:46
systemdlete2back soon...10:47
gnarfaceany difference?10:51
systemdlete2eh... yeah.  This time, the entire desktop (xorg) crashed.10:51
gnarfacedamn10:51
systemdlete2when I went to launch a VM10:51
gnarfacewell, go back to the previous version then, probably10:51
systemdlete2wish I could get the log for that...10:51
systemdlete2previous version of which?10:52
gnarfaceprevious version of glx-alternative-mesa... uninstall those other two, nvidia-installer-cleanup and update-glx10:52
systemdlete2I've upgraded the kernel, libvirt, and mesa10:52
systemdlete2ok10:52
gnarfacekeep the updated virt-manager10:52
gnarfaceunless it still fails after rolling the other stuff back, then roll virt-manager back too10:53
systemdlete2rebooting...10:54
systemdleteleave messages for me (not systemdlete2).  2 is open on the test box, which might crash again12:07

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