| Xenguy | .oO(Windows10, your days are numbered, on this laptop, mwuhahaha ...) | 00:22 |
|---|---|---|
| * Xenguy sharpens the knife... | 00:23 | |
| Xenguy | .oO(A glint, a glance of steel...) | 00:23 |
| tuxd3v | onefang, Signal is some sort of Telegram app? | 01:45 |
| onefang | I've not used Telegram, but I think so. Open source chat, with e2e encryption. | 01:47 |
| Xenguy | Telegram is not FOSS, am I wrong? | 01:49 |
| Xenguy | I thought there was some proprietary aspect | 01:49 |
| tuxd3v | I use Telegram...one time a month =D. Signal should be nice seems that it does the same at least a number of things.. | 01:49 |
| tuxd3v | Telegram I believe its open | 01:49 |
| onefang | "Notably, all of Telegram's official apps are open source." Says wikipedia. Maybe not the server side. | 01:49 |
| Xenguy | hrm | 01:50 |
| tuxd3v | maybe not the Server.. what I know about it is that... In Russia, Secret Services put a lot of pressure on the developers for them to give the secret services access to Telegram, because of Islamic state Associate ...terrorism.. | 01:51 |
| tuxd3v | The Developers refused and leave Russia, they toughed US was more open, less restrictions.. | 01:52 |
| Xenguy | Confirmed that it's all FOSS, except for some proprietary stuff on the server side. | 01:52 |
| tuxd3v | They mooved to US, the the NSA/CIA stated to put pressure on them because they wanted to aceess the data... so they discovered that US after all also wants access.. | 01:53 |
| golinux | Is this the new offtopic channel? | 01:53 |
| tuxd3v | they leave USA | 01:53 |
| Xenguy | The US is the last place a project like that should choose to move to | 01:53 |
| Xenguy | Yes, #offtopic then | 01:54 |
| tuxd3v | the went to Saudi Arabia or Barain or Qatar, and are continuing to develop it from there.. | 01:54 |
| tuxd3v | golinux, only a bit of history about Telegram :) | 01:55 |
| Xenguy | Well also clarifying the licensing, which is important for me anyway | 01:55 |
| tuxd3v | They continue to refuse to give access to Russia, so Russia banned the Service in the country, I don't know about the US.. | 01:55 |
| bbuccianti | we have something like coredumpctl ? | 02:09 |
| Xenguy | blasphemy! | 02:10 |
| * Xenguy runs away... | 02:10 | |
| tuxd3v | bbuccianti, are you talking about? | 02:18 |
| tuxd3v | systemd-coredump: /usr/bin/coredumpctl | 02:18 |
| tuxd3v | run away from it :) | 02:18 |
| bbuccianti | great! | 02:19 |
| bbuccianti | how do you produce coredumps? | 02:19 |
| onefang | bbuccianti is asking about something LIKE that, which does the same thing, but without systemd. | 02:19 |
| onefang | A quick search finds minicoredumper. | 02:20 |
| tuxd3v | ho, tanks, onefang, | 02:20 |
| tuxd3v | bbuccianti, you can configure it via ulimits for example | 02:21 |
| tuxd3v | /etc/security/limits.conf | 02:22 |
| tuxd3v | to disable in the shell you just: | 02:24 |
| tuxd3v | ulimit -S -c 0 | 02:24 |
| tuxd3v | size 0 means no core dump | 02:24 |
| tuxd3v | to enable to particular program | 02:25 |
| tuxd3v | ulimit -S -c unlimited my_program_will_coredump_name | 02:25 |
| tuxd3v | this is a soft limit | 02:25 |
| tuxd3v | you can enforce softlimits and also hardlimits | 02:26 |
| tuxd3v | usually soft limits are the first ones to activate | 02:26 |
| tuxd3v | hardlimits is the max value... above that size, no core dumps! | 02:27 |
| tuxd3v | so usually we define softlimits lets say some 30% bellow hardlimit sizes | 02:27 |
| tuxd3v | this si also valid for other things, like file descriptors and such | 02:27 |
| tuxd3v | when a softlimit is achieve you are being warned via log | 02:28 |
| tuxd3v | you can sel a nagios or something else to also alert you | 02:28 |
| tuxd3v | the Idea is that soft limits being some 30% lower, can give you time to solve the problem that is happening in that server | 02:29 |
| tuxd3v | for example to allow all programs to core dump, you can set a unlimited size | 02:32 |
| tuxd3v | * soft core unlimited | 02:32 |
| tuxd3v | in //etc/security/limits.conf | 02:32 |
| tuxd3v | bbuccianti, see the help of ulimit command | 02:37 |
| tuxd3v | 'ulimit --help' | 02:37 |
| tuxd3v | it has a lot of options, that is to execute in the shell | 02:37 |
| tuxd3v | bbuccianti, you can also check the proc, about some config for core dumps.. | 02:42 |
| tuxd3v | ls -l /proc/sys/kernel/core_{pattern,pipe_limit,uses_pid} | 02:42 |
| tuxd3v | Xenguy, about matrix, I never used it, and I saw already a lot of folks using it even in their own phones | 02:55 |
| tuxd3v | does you know the concept? | 02:55 |
| tuxd3v | I came across this: https://www.matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now | 02:55 |
| furrywolf | I've never used it, and it's so fucking annoying that we've started telling people in one of my channels to get a proper client if they want to talk. | 02:55 |
| furrywolf | it's not just annoying for the person using it, but it's annoying for everyone else in the channel, as it spams crap, can't send actions (/me) correctly, breaks urls, spams entire previous lines any time someone replies to one, and generally fills the channel with crap if anyone actually talks who uses it... | 02:56 |
| tuxd3v | furrywolf, you are describing a Spam designed app.. | 02:58 |
| tuxd3v | So what is about the Matrix | 02:58 |
| golinux | It's what the cool kids are using and it is OT | 02:58 |
| tuxd3v | Thye idea I got is that is a way to speak with diferent protocols? cold be this correct? | 02:58 |
| bbuccianti | tuxd3v: thanks! ulimit -c unlimited seems to do the trick | 02:58 |
| tuxd3v | bbuccianti, you welcome | 02:59 |
| golinux | It uses technology that I don't want to deal with | 02:59 |
| tuxd3v | golinux, sorry, I just had a lot of buzz abouit people saying they are in the matrix | 02:59 |
| tuxd3v | :) | 02:59 |
| golinux | It's the latest fad | 03:00 |
| golinux | It too will pass | 03:00 |
| tuxd3v | clort, actually 'tegra210-p3450-0000.dts' is already both things... the carrier and the module of jetson nano :) | 03:54 |
| tuxd3v | clort, the first move I made to create a uboot binary for Nvidia Jetson Nano... and the problem was already there :) | 04:59 |
| tuxd3v | 1 move = 1 patch =) | 05:00 |
| tuxd3v | so I already have a patch for atf, regarding JNano :) | 05:00 |
| tuxd3v | yes it build uboot mainline, but I don't own the board so I don't know how good it is.. :S | 05:00 |
| tuxd3v | clort, what is the Kernel version you are running in the nano? | 05:02 |
| tuxd3v | can you get the config of it? | 05:02 |
| tuxd3v | 'modprobe configs' | 05:03 |
| tuxd3v | 'zcat /proc/config.gz' | 05:03 |
| tuxd3v | paste it here: | 05:03 |
| tuxd3v | https://paste.debian.net/ | 05:04 |
| tuxd3v | :) | 05:04 |
| clort | sorry i was afk tuxd3v | 06:02 |
| clort | 4.9.140 | 06:03 |
| tuxd3v | you were at sleep? | 06:03 |
| tuxd3v | no problem if you are we talk tomorow :) | 06:03 |
| clort | no i am here now | 06:03 |
| clort | modprobe configs returns nothing | 06:04 |
| tuxd3v | ho you still have a 4.9 on Jetson nano? | 06:04 |
| clort | it is what nvidia shipped with their ubuntu image | 06:04 |
| tuxd3v | clort, if you were at sleep we talk tomorrow no problem sorry | 06:05 |
| clort | no | 06:05 |
| clort | http://0x0.st/ihKu.txt there's zcat | 06:05 |
| clort | dpaste is taking forever | 06:06 |
| tuxd3v | :) | 06:06 |
| tuxd3v | I already have it ;) | 06:06 |
| tuxd3v | now I will try to build a kernel only to test my backends :) | 06:07 |
| clort | excellent, thanks | 06:07 |
| tuxd3v | no problem, I am trying with mainline, because I am using the 5.9 branch for patching for another board, so I will go with mainline, I am now copying the source.. | 06:13 |
| clort | i can switch irc to another machine now, so i can even stay with you while hacking uboot on the jetson | 06:20 |
| tuxd3v | clort, I need more information about the partition scheme used by Nvidia on this SoC | 06:24 |
| tuxd3v | I don't know, were to write yet the bootloader | 06:24 |
| clort | i will provide info i can | 06:24 |
| tuxd3v | I don't know ere the bootloader starts and where it ends, in the sdcard or emmc | 06:24 |
| tuxd3v | does you know about the SoC boot scheme? | 06:25 |
| clort | no emmc sadly | 06:25 |
| tuxd3v | you are working from emmc, or sdcard? | 06:25 |
| clort | sdcard | 06:26 |
| tuxd3v | yea, for sure the bootloader is 1 zone only | 06:26 |
| clort | if it has emmc i don't know how to access | 06:26 |
| tuxd3v | but it could still have another partition for the environment, which is usually used | 06:27 |
| clort | proc/partitions sees mmcblk0 for sd card and sda for first usb drive | 06:27 |
| tuxd3v | I mean, the environment I usually don't use it | 06:27 |
| tuxd3v | yes the boot loader goes somewere between the partition table, to end were the first partition start | 06:28 |
| tuxd3v | this space includes already the bootloader itself zone, plis the Enviroment zone | 06:28 |
| clort | there are very many partitions and i do not know why | 06:28 |
| tuxd3v | cat you do a: | 06:29 |
| clort | http://0x0.st/ihK_.txt sd card partitions | 06:29 |
| tuxd3v | 'parted /dev/mmcblk0' | 06:29 |
| tuxd3v | then | 06:30 |
| tuxd3v | 'print' | 06:30 |
| tuxd3v | the 'q' | 06:30 |
| tuxd3v | to quit | 06:30 |
| clort | http://0x0.st/ihKL.txt | 06:30 |
| tuxd3v | wow Nvidia is a bit crazy.. it surpassed the crazinest of Rockchip by a few miles :) | 06:31 |
| clort | i made a 32GB os, 32GB osbackup and the rest is data | 06:31 |
| clort | yeah idk all that stuff, i just dd the whole card | 06:31 |
| tuxd3v | the bootloader has a size of: 632.0 KiB | 06:34 |
| tuxd3v | I mean the uboot v2020.10 compiled already with atf v2.4 | 06:34 |
| clort | why do they have so many partitions | 06:34 |
| tuxd3v | yea, that is what I will need to figure out :) | 06:35 |
| clort | do you want the data? | 06:35 |
| tuxd3v | but they are the vendor that won the race for sure in the partition numbers :) | 06:35 |
| tuxd3v | I will have to digg, theres no other way, you already helped me a lot :) | 06:36 |
| tuxd3v | I already saw that, I need to digg to check what partition does, and why | 06:36 |
| clort | i could afford maybe 30€ towards a nano. the 2GB version is like 49€ from amazon | 06:37 |
| clort | a nano for you | 06:37 |
| tuxd3v | I didn't wanted to ask that | 06:37 |
| clort | would be happy to donate if it helps | 06:37 |
| tuxd3v | let me first, digg a bit on the partition types, and why there are many.. | 06:38 |
| clort | ok | 06:38 |
| tuxd3v | let me also build a kernel for it first, then we can decide :) | 06:38 |
| tuxd3v | I already saw that there are some patch's to mainline kernel | 06:38 |
| tuxd3v | but I haven't yet look into them, but I will | 06:38 |
| tuxd3v | 2 min left to download the full source from my Nas wich holds 5.10-rc6 | 06:40 |
| clort | new is good. we have 5.9 for the droid4s now | 06:41 |
| tuxd3v | :) | 06:42 |
| clort | i think 4 people on the planet would appreciate this enough to send you 30€ for a 4GB nano :/ | 06:44 |
| clort | "zaphod looked... and thought to himself 'this, i have no need for'" | 06:46 |
| clort | oflag=direct avoids dirty buffer constipation when you dd partitions!! | 07:07 |
| tuxd3v | I am building a kernel now | 07:08 |
| tuxd3v | But I will have to digg deeper to understand the need for so many partitions :) | 07:09 |
| clort | i don't even know what they do for gpu drivers | 07:09 |
| clort | there's a big nvgpu module | 07:10 |
| tuxd3v | yea that is yet another thing that could be related :) | 07:10 |
| tuxd3v | I believe its a blob :) | 07:10 |
| clort | one result i can share from my big microSD card benchmarking is that the sandisk mini usb3 uSD card reader significantly outperforms the kingston and transcend in IOPS | 07:12 |
| tuxd3v | you have a big sdcard I saw the print | 07:13 |
| tuxd3v | I think I will let him continue compilation and tomorrow I will return to it :) | 07:14 |
| clort | ok | 07:15 |
| tuxd3v | I will have to search for information about the SoC | 07:15 |
| clort | it is the time of being horizontal for you? | 07:15 |
| tuxd3v | yea, its 6 of the morning :D | 07:15 |
| tuxd3v | I got the clock tick, and inspired by doing things and its almost morning | 07:16 |
| tuxd3v | you are in Europe? | 07:16 |
| clort | yes, it looks dark outside | 07:16 |
| tuxd3v | hehehe | 07:16 |
| clort | i woke up an hour ago. new day for me! | 07:17 |
| tuxd3v | nice, I still need to sleep | 07:17 |
| clort | what else have you been werking on? | 07:17 |
| tuxd3v | tomorrow we will continue :) | 07:18 |
| clort | great | 07:18 |
| tuxd3v | compilation of things and network tests | 07:18 |
| tuxd3v | but I will crash in the bed now :D | 07:18 |
| clort | i will continue uSD card benchmarks until finished | 07:18 |
| clort | ok cheers ttyl tuxd3v | 07:18 |
| tuxd3v | see you tomorrow :) | 07:19 |
| tuxd3v | or in some hours :) | 07:19 |
| Chispito | hola | 16:09 |
| clort | hi | 16:13 |
| Chispito | se ve que no conversan en la ventana pública... | 16:25 |
| clort | maybe | 16:29 |
| Chispito | :/ | 16:33 |
| APic | :\ | 16:38 |
| Chispito | :D | 16:39 |
| Chispito | viva la vida! | 16:45 |
| clort | aspic | 16:51 |
| Chispito | zzzzz.... | 17:11 |
| targz | Chispito: hi, this channel is exclusive to support, go to #devuan-es to speak in spanish | 17:22 |
| Chispito | ok | 17:27 |
| Chispito | :/ | 17:49 |
| User_ | Hello | 20:23 |
| User_ | I was wondering if it was possible to have persistence on a live iso | 20:23 |
| aitor__ | User: using debian-installer you can get persistence in a very beautiful way | 20:33 |
| golinux | User_: Yes! https://www.refracta.org/docs/readme.refracta2usb.txt | 20:33 |
| aitor__ | read this howto (in spanish): https://blog.desdelinux.net/como-instalar-linux-en-un-usb-en-forma-persistente/ | 20:35 |
| aitor__ | I followed the steps above years ago, and worked for me | 20:36 |
| aitor__ | tested with crunchbang | 20:36 |
| aitor__ | but it should work with any other live system including debian-installer | 20:38 |
| aitor__ | golinux: greetings! | 20:39 |
| aitor__ | i'm here to escape from #devuan-es :) | 20:40 |
| fsmithred | aitor__, that looks like a regular hard disk install. I think User_ was asking about persistence with a live-CD or live-usb | 20:41 |
| * golinux sends aitor a hug. | 20:42 | |
| aitor__ | fsr: it works in a usb stick | 20:42 |
| fsmithred | yeah, but it's not a live system then, it's an installed system. | 20:42 |
| aitor__ | yes, that's right | 20:43 |
| golinux | Good that the folks who know about these things showed up. | 20:43 |
| fsmithred | advantage of the live system is that you can always boot the original read-only system without persistence. Sometime nice to do that for banking or other stuff that needs to be secure. | 20:43 |
| aitor__ | fsmithred: do you know whether python-gtk2 will disappear from debian at least? It's not available in their repos | 20:52 |
| aitor__ | neither in bullseye, nor in sid | 20:52 |
| fsmithred | no, I don't see it | 20:53 |
| fsmithred | only python-gtk is chimaera or ceres (bullseye or sid) is python-gtkspellcheck-doc | 20:54 |
| fsmithred | in chimaera... | 20:55 |
| User_ | Hi friends, yes i'm looking for an option within Devuan for a persistent live cd like set up on a usb key. | 20:55 |
| fsmithred | I always do it with refracta2usb | 20:55 |
| fsmithred | I think with the i386 iso you can dd the iso to a usb stick and then add a second partition, but that won't work with the amd64 | 20:56 |
| fsmithred | and it's better to do it the other way (with real partitions) | 20:56 |
| User_ | Mental Outlaws video sent me here and i donated what i could once i found out this distro supports anti-systemd and an MX-linux like snapshot of the system. | 20:56 |
| fsmithred | cool, thanks | 20:57 |
| fsmithred | the other way is to have a fat partition, copy the contents of the iso to that partition and then add syslinux bootloader. | 20:58 |
| fsmithred | with refracta2usb you can make a multi-boot usb stick with several live systems on it. | 20:58 |
| User_ | nice ! | 21:00 |
| User_ | Tht sounds just like mx-linux snapshot and liveusb maker. It's good to know i can maintain my backup workflow with devuan. | 21:01 |
| User_ | the devuan interface looks so smooth, like rich belgian chocolate or something. | 21:02 |
| fsmithred | refractasnapshot is like mx-linux snapshot. (or maybe it's the other way around) | 21:03 |
| fsmithred | I know antix used a modified version of refractansahphot some years ago, but they they made more changes to it/rewrote it. There might still be a little of my code hanging around in it. | 21:04 |
| aitor__ | see you later, guys, i have things to do | 21:06 |
| fsmithred | refracta2usb is not in the repo. You can get it on my sourceforge: https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/tools/ | 21:07 |
| fsmithred | aitor__, take care. See you later. | 21:07 |
| aitor__ | bye :) | 21:07 |
| User_ | Sweet , is the code hosted somewhere ? | 21:08 |
| User_ | in non.deb form ? | 21:08 |
| fsmithred | oh, probably not. | 21:10 |
| fsmithred | the code is an ugly pile of shit. But it works. | 21:10 |
| fsmithred | it's just bash scripts, so there's no source to look at. | 21:10 |
| fsmithred | nothing to un-compile | 21:11 |
| fsmithred | meandrain ? | 21:46 |
| fsmithred | dean? | 21:46 |
| clort | tux3d seems to have gone Rip Van Winkle on me | 21:47 |
| User_ | thx, take care. | 22:18 |
| tuxd3v | clort, I am hare, dinner :) | 22:36 |
| tuxd3v | clort, have you ever tried to attach a serial debugger to your jetson nano? | 23:08 |
| clort | no | 23:08 |
| tuxd3v | does you have a serial adapter? | 23:08 |
| clort | i don't think so | 23:08 |
| tuxd3v | the madule for jetson nano: | 23:09 |
| tuxd3v | https://developer.download.nvidia.com/assets/embedded/secure/jetson/Nano/docs/JetsonNano_DataSheet_DS09366001v1.0.pdf?gbie_OfgK0__V7Xq_EDKzL9hijzERq0FU9NHZvgRfZUH5Ss1IUibfpEIFMLIRLJkyYvDvAA5SOmm3qncGelAJPrt2yy_pQ9MUeRhThWlEMYAIGl9h-wR9UQLoa8vR9pMEqE80mE3YdW_arx2tS-uHTDMoxWih129mb8305gUe8m_Fd6IJQ84cLFtihcpUQ | 23:09 |
| tuxd3v | it states a baud rate of 15,2Mbit/s O.o | 23:09 |
| tuxd3v | sorry 12.5Mbit/s | 23:09 |
| clort | i don't know what to do with it | 23:10 |
| tuxd3v | can you do a 'ls -la' on your /boot? | 23:12 |
| tuxd3v | I believe you should join to #devuan-arm | 23:12 |
| tuxd3v | its a related subject :) | 23:12 |
| clort | if you can give me access then yes, otherwise pm | 23:13 |
| tuxd3v | you need to be registered | 23:13 |
| clort | i won't be | 23:13 |
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