| Xenguy | Looks like Debian released a point release today. | 00:46 |
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| fsmithred | ours should happen soon | 01:00 |
| Xenguy | It will be interesting to see what documentation changes are required for that | 01:13 |
| fsmithred | shouldn't be much | 01:20 |
| fsmithred | probably one pic for the installer guide | 01:20 |
| fsmithred | I don't think I made any changes in the release notes | 01:21 |
| Xenguy | Good to know, hope you're right | 01:22 |
| * enyc meows | 07:31 | |
| user_ | I find netstat -wtua does not show full host names in the table, they are truncated. -w is ignored. Beowulf. Can someone confirm this bug? Also, is it present on the next devuan(s)'s netstat? | 08:09 |
| user_ | There seems to be some kind of mess with the upgrade path in aptitude / package management on beowulf, for pkg. net-tools -- 2 versions pretend to be available but they are the same version really named 2 ways?! | 08:14 |
| user_ | Also, net-tools and net-tools:i386 seem to both be installed and dependent on each other?! | 08:15 |
| user_ | Any hints on this would be welcome | 08:15 |
| rrq | netstat -Wtua | 08:38 |
| rrq | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/debtree-query.xml?c=package&q=net-tools:i386 | 08:41 |
| clort | well nvidia jetson nano does strange things. it has 11 gpt partitions for strange things, and apparently one partition holds the DTB | 08:42 |
| clort | gdisk sees names like APP for the root partition, then TBC, RP1, EBT, WB0, BPF, TOS, EKS, LNX, DTB, RP4 and BMP | 08:43 |
| clort | running strings on the partitions reveals a lot of nvidia keywords | 08:44 |
| unixbsd | which devuan release has Morrowind, open morrowind, in the packages of repository? | 09:22 |
| gnarface | did you check for it on here? https://pkginfo.devuan.org/ | 09:23 |
| clort | i think it's in beowulf as openmw | 09:28 |
| clort | have you tried apt-cache search openmw unixbsd ? | 09:28 |
| clort | pretty sure ceres too | 09:29 |
| unixbsd | libmygui-dev - Fast, simple and flexible GUI for OpenMW - development files | 09:33 |
| unixbsd | openmw-data - Resources for the OpenMW engine | 09:33 |
| unixbsd | I need to see in ceres maybe... I will try to debootstrap it. easier would be to have a DVD of ceres to debootstrap. my http/deb on your servers fails all the time. I use it on my apache. | 09:33 |
| clort | you should have also openmw openmw-data openmw-cs openmw-launcher | 09:33 |
| user_ | well netstat ignores -w as cli option, but works with -W as someone else said. | 09:34 |
| user_ | [imo it should report it as an invalid cli option] | 09:34 |
| user_ | rrq: re dependency graph: what are red arrows? breaks? | 09:37 |
| user_ | I have both net-tools and net-tools:i386 installed on beowulf, not by me, auto system installated. | 09:37 |
| rrq | the mark "Conflicts" (https://man.cx/debtree) .. but yes, I'm slightly dubious where debtree gets its info; it doesn;t seem very version-aware, but might draw from the union of all information; I think "Conflicts" are from the jessie version | 09:40 |
| user_ | lol installated is not English. My other language(s) shine through, darkly. | 09:58 |
| clort | devuan would be so nice and clean without go, haskell, mono, rust, python, java, and web > 1.0 stuff | 10:01 |
| clort | oh and why is /usr/share/javascript even a thing | 10:14 |
| user_ | clort: you sound like you need slackware :) rough edges guaranteed [tm] | 10:41 |
| * user_ is a fan of slack, since 1995 or so and still going. | 10:41 | |
| clort | yeah i think 1996 was my first slackware install | 10:42 |
| clort | pinks everywhere now though | 10:43 |
| user_ | pinks? | 10:44 |
| clort | church of bob lore | 10:49 |
| buZz | user_: slackware's name originates from church of the subgenius | 11:01 |
| buZz | which follows the word of Bob, and tries to protect its crop against Pinks (those that refuse to slack) | 11:02 |
| buZz | if you want to know more about that , i'd suggest watching 'arise' ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0x9ymMQUg8 | 11:03 |
| clort | you give too much info to the uninitiated | 11:06 |
| user_ | buZz: I watched darkstar instead on youtube | 11:07 |
| clort | that's an initiation of sorts :) | 11:08 |
| buZz | user_: the 1974 movie? | 11:08 |
| user_ | we need more bomb 21's . Lots more. They are being made too slowly, AI will eventually get here. And then, Poettering will implement one. Muahahah win. | 11:08 |
| user_ | buZz: yes. | 11:08 |
| * user_ idly notes bomb 21 is a reference to 42 = 21*2 | 11:09 | |
| user_ | I have to say I am happy with vivaldi browser's developer tools (built in), superior to firefox's. | 11:09 |
| user_ | It can un-minify js in place, and a lot more. | 11:10 |
| buZz | did you ever see that 42 ~= 13.37 * pi | 11:10 |
| user_ | Running it on beowulf, .deb from vivaldi.com, no trouble. | 11:10 |
| user_ | buZz: no :) | 11:10 |
| user_ | Who has the time to compile/cut/splice those videos heh. | 11:18 |
| user_ | https://youtu.be/qEBg-aTV3HM?t=7 this is the "proper" link to start with imo. Re: Arise. | 11:20 |
| user_ | Just the screenshot there essentially. | 11:21 |
| user_ | and yeah I saw the credits at the end. | 11:22 |
| Helle | Anyone have a summary of the state of Devuan on RPi 4, preferably with mainstream kernel, I've found like 4 different image building tools, but no info on how the official RPi 3 images where built (and hence how the official RPi 4 images are likely to be built in the future for compatibility sake) | 14:59 |
| bru | Hello. I have been trying to make bash case insensitive with "shopt -s nocasematch" and "shopt -s nocaseglob", but they don't make any effect. It's mostly weird because in my previous Debian machine it works fine. | 15:23 |
| Helle | Just noticed arm-sdk does not even actually build kernel packages (or use existing ones) so that means upgrading the kernel is manual work, that seems like a bad idea | 15:27 |
| Helle | (current state is that vanilla kernel should work with only 3D acceleration and a few details unsupported) | 15:30 |
| clort | #devuan-arm has more specific focus for this | 15:38 |
| clort | i don't know if devuan providing a kernel for arm-space is sensible | 15:40 |
| Helle | clort: for RPi, given how consistent the hardware is and device tree covering 90% of use cases | 15:46 |
| Helle | probably sensible | 15:46 |
| Helle | but uh, arm-sdk, not a particularly well thought out solution | 15:46 |
| clort | arm-space is considerably broader than pi4, so if you feel up to the task, maybe that would be welcomed | 15:47 |
| Helle | sure, sure, but having mainline support for just about the most common boards out there | 15:48 |
| Helle | anyway, I am just retargetting Debian's image build chain right now | 15:48 |
| Helle | it seems to be the better designed one then all 4 Devuan designed scripts, sadly | 15:48 |
| Helle | the amount of systemd related stuff in it was trivial | 15:49 |
| clort | i see a volunteer | 15:49 |
| fsmithred | :) | 15:49 |
| fsmithred | I'm haunted by a ghost drive. I have three hard drives in this box. For the past few months, when I plug in a usb stick, it gets named /dev/sde. I've seen this in the past when I failed to unmount a usb stick before pulling it out. In those cases, /dev/sdd does not persist past a reboot. Now it does. | 15:51 |
| fsmithred | I tried deleting /dev/sdd and rebooting, but it comes back. | 15:51 |
| fsmithred | ls -l /dev/disk/by-path/ | 15:51 |
| fsmithred | total 0 | 15:51 |
| fsmithred | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Dec 8 09:40 pci-0000:00:1d.0-usb-0:1.2:1.0-scsi-0:0:0:0 -> ../../sdd | 15:51 |
| fsmithred | lspci says: 00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller #1 (rev 05) | 15:52 |
| fsmithred | # fdisk -l /dev/sdd | 15:52 |
| fsmithred | fdisk: cannot open /dev/sdd: No medium found | 15:52 |
| fsmithred | Where is it coming from? | 15:53 |
| clort | that i do not know | 15:57 |
| clort | never saw such | 15:57 |
| bru | Well, if you don't mind, I'll tell my problem again. The shopt options "nocasematch" and "nocaseglob" do nothing on my bash 5.1.0(1)-rc3 shell, while it works fine on my previous Debian machine with the same shell version | 16:19 |
| bru | ... I'm sorry, I just forgot to add an extra option, the 'set completion-ignore-case on'. My bad, everything works well. | 16:23 |
| clort | glad you worked it out bru | 17:12 |
| Helle | oooh, vmdb2 issues that is more annoying | 17:44 |
| Helle | Think I've got it working, but there is a weird thing with chimaera that is causing it to pull in a bunch of packages that it really shouldn't in the debootstrap | 18:06 |
| fsmithred | Helle, like what is it pulling in that it shouldn't? | 18:11 |
| Helle | fsmithred: ton of Xorg related libs | 18:14 |
| Helle | going to do some dependency checks once I get the system booting | 18:14 |
| fsmithred | oh yeah, someone else mentioned that | 18:14 |
| fsmithred | you will find deps that defy simple explanation | 18:15 |
| fsmithred | that seems to be a recurrent theme all over | 18:15 |
| Helle | fsmithred: some marked essential packages or the like must have some nasty dependencies | 18:15 |
| Helle | hmmm, let's see what happened and why it's not yet booting | 18:21 |
| Helle | will need to actually pop it out of the case to see why not | 18:23 |
| Helle | because that needs serial port debugging | 18:23 |
| clort | ping -i 0.5 [hostip] |lolcat -p 1000 -F 0.9 is actually a useful use of lolcat | 18:38 |
| clort | gives you a quick visual if something's not connecting right | 18:38 |
| Helle | Right, next order of buisness, appaerently digging out serial console stuff, because I am not 100% if the kernel I am using is the issue or something else | 18:40 |
| Helle | in theeeeeory, mainline kernels should work | 18:40 |
| Helle | but theories | 18:40 |
| Helle | (*sigh* need to clean out another microSD card, so I can do some comparison stuff) | 19:35 |
| Deknos | hey, does devuan publish on https://app.vagrantup.com/boxes/ official boxes for virtualbox/libvirt? | 22:57 |
| gnarface | i don't know for sure. i don't think so, but i think someone had made unofficial ones. | 22:59 |
| fsmithred | we haven't made any official vagrant images in a long time | 23:01 |
| tuxd3v | I made a new devuan install starting with the cd i386 | 23:44 |
| tuxd3v | it doesn't recognize other oses installed | 23:44 |
| tuxd3v | when updating grub2 | 23:45 |
| clort | wb tuxd3v - i found some info on nvidia's strange little partitions. the extlinux.conf shows a menu when booting from another arm device though. | 23:47 |
| clort | the nano overlays the nvidia logo during the timeout portion, and then it fails to start any other kernel with the standard procedure | 23:48 |
| clort | that is, when i put the sdcard with the kernel and dtb you made into another device, i see the boot menu to choose between the different extlinux.conf options | 23:49 |
| tuxd3v | clort, ho... so nvidia logo should be hiding it | 23:50 |
| clort | yes but even when we set default to the new kernel, it refuses to boot | 23:50 |
| clort | black screen and no /var/log messages from the new kernel | 23:51 |
| clort | one of the small partitions contains nvidia's .dtb | 23:51 |
| tuxd3v | even with video=tegrafb in the append line? | 23:51 |
| clort | yes | 23:51 |
| clort | https://docs.nvidia.com/jetson/l4t/index.html#page/Tegra%2520Linux%2520Driver%2520Package%2520Development%2520Guide%2Fpart_config.html | 23:53 |
| tuxd3v | partition configuration file.. | 23:54 |
| tuxd3v | so for you should be : | 23:54 |
| tuxd3v | flash_l4t_t210_emmc_p3448.xml | 23:54 |
| clort | ah ty | 23:55 |
| clort | here you see the partition names which correspond to info on that docs page | 23:55 |
| clort | http://0x0.st/ihOz.txt | 23:55 |
| clort | i have lash_l4t_t214_emmc.xml | 23:57 |
| clort | i have flash_l4t_t214_emmc.xml | 23:57 |
| clort | and /flash_l4t_t210_spi_sd_p3448.xml | 23:58 |
| clort | nano has no emmc | 23:58 |
| * tuxd3v tuxd3v is wondering what that file contains | 23:58 | |
| tuxd3v | nano for production contains emmc | 23:59 |
| tuxd3v | nano for development contains only sdcard | 23:59 |
| clort | ah | 23:59 |
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