libera/#devuan/ Tuesday, 2020-12-15

tuxd3vthere are a amdgpu regression on kernel 5.1001:22
tuxd3vhttps://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/140701:22
tuxd3vbasically:01:23
tuxd3v/sys/class/drm/card0/device/pp_dpm_mclk01:23
tuxd3vis set to maximum frequency even at idle01:23
tuxd3vwhich in turn overheat the graphics card..01:23
tuxd3vthe issua was observed in Navi1401:24
tuxd3vbut maybe present also in other cards..01:24
tuxd3vso better to check first01:24
masonThis is why I'm always happy for others to bleed on the edge for me.01:37
masonI don't want to discover something like that on my computer.01:37
tuxd3vmason, its always nice to have someone on the "edge of the sword", they find bugs and report back, on the other hand, its very time consuming and frustation amounts when problems arise..01:41
tuxd3v:)01:41
masonYes indeed.01:42
tuxd3vI still didn't understand why AMD chosen the most powerful performance profile, when the card is in iddle..01:44
tuxd3vand the problem is because the card is in iddle, it doesn't activate the fans :D01:45
tuxd3vso only when the card is almost burning is when emergency situation activate the fans :D01:45
tuxd3vprobably we will see sooner a 5.10.2 point release :D01:46
clorteverning tuxd3v - how you been?01:52
tuxd3vclort, hello, I am fine01:53
tuxd3vI have being testing chimaera i386 setup01:53
tuxd3v:)01:53
tuxd3vand you, how are you?01:53
clortgood, i am finishing the microSD card IOPS tests01:54
tuxd3valso I am around nanopi r2s trying to apply a patch for the uarts..01:54
tuxd3vclort, have you managed to recover your data?01:54
tuxd3vyou had a sdcard issue01:55
clortyes01:55
clortall good, stable, backedup01:55
tuxd3vnice :)01:55
clorti haven't figured out what nvidia is doing with all those partitions yet01:55
clortand why extlinux.conf selected boot doesn't boot01:55
clortmaybe nvidia forces looking for the dtb in the DTB partition01:55
tuxd3vmy take is that somehow nvidia signed the kernel :(01:56
clorti'll let you know if i find out anything i can confirm01:56
clortahh01:56
tuxd3vI don't know, its just a guess01:56
tuxd3vmaybe01:56
tuxd3vthe bootloader is in the SPI flash01:57
clortit is something to investigate yes.  i have seen in nvidia forums other people replacing kernel01:57
clortso i just need to study and lear01:57
clortn01:57
tuxd3vand they succeded just replacing it?01:57
clort(and clean my keyboard)01:57
clorti do't know, i saw they are 'shipping product' with their own kernel but don't see how they did it01:58
tuxd3vhumm01:58
tuxd3vcheck if they have that crazy amount of partitions like with oficial release01:58
clortthey are just posting in forum, no detailed blogging of how they did it. but i will report if i find aything i can cofirm01:59
tuxd3vAndroid images usually have tons of partitions, Nvidia seems to like that01:59
clorthehe01:59
tuxd3v:)01:59
tuxd3vWe will eventually get there02:04
gnarfacetuxd3v: thanks for the warning about the 5.10 amdgpu regression02:18
gnarfacetuxd3v: currently not observing that on 5.9 in ceres02:18
tuxd3vgnarface, you welcome02:18
tuxd3vi believe in a matter of some 2 weeks or so, devuan will get it , and so do devuan02:19
tuxd3vI believe a 5.10.2 point release will have to be issued02:19
masonOh, right, it'll percolate down. I'd forgotten that.02:20
* gnarface also removing linux-image-amd64 and linux-headers-amd64 so he doesn't get it accidentally02:20
masonI only ever think in terms of stable nowadays.02:21
masongnarface: Rather than doing that, you can apt hold those.02:21
gnarfacenoted02:21
AbsolutZer0Hi I'm a noob running kubuntu but I'd rather not be, is Steam on Devuan possible? Or does it take a lot of tweaking?06:54
AbsolutZer0I don't know why you people just sit here without answering a simple question, fuck it I'll find out for myself.07:04
tarzeausome sleep, different timezone, some are not interested to answer :)07:21
rwpEmpirical evidence that the patience level was exactly 10 minutes.07:28
tarzeau</telepathy>07:45
KREYREENheads-up https://github.com/Debian/README.Debian/issues/9 i think that devuan has the same issue09:46
clortwith btrfs, mount -o ssd enables SSD-optimized allocation schemes17:00
masontarzeau: I think I answered the fellow in the dream I was having at the time.18:17
tarzeaumason: hehe18:48
* sammi` hoho19:04
anjanHi, Im on devuan testing. I am having suspend issues. This is expected because I always have suspend issues on 5.9.0 (even when I was running arch). On arch, I was able to fix it by installing linux-lts ( currently 5.4.76). Is there anyway I can install the 5.4 kernel? The 4.19 kernel is too old for my liking19:53
masonanjan: https://wiki.debian.org/BuildADebianKernelPackage19:58
anjanah thanks19:59
anjanis there anyway to get alerted when a new lts kernel is available?19:59
masonLKML? I'm not sure there's a good method if you're rolling your own.19:59
anjanmaybe I should look into fixing suspend on the new kernel20:00
masonIf you can do that, it'd be a good option. You'll still have rebuilds unless it's a fix you can implement in configuration somehow.20:01
anjanmaybe Ill cope with 4.1920:01
anjanbut it's so ancient ;_;20:01
anjanIve tried all the other fixes on the archwiki turns out20:01
masonIt's only ancient if there's distinct functionality you need that it lacks.20:02
anjanthats true20:02
masonAnd there might actually be, but I don't have any way to know that. :)20:02
anjanI think the newer kernels had better vfio performance20:02
masonHrm. I'd suggest that a machine that has a workload that cares about that might not be in the same set of machines as one that needs to suspend.20:03
anjanmason: it's a desktop that I use for pci passthrough sometimes20:03
masonHrm, so that's a valid desire then.20:04
masonDunno. If 4.19 ends up slowing down your VM noticeably it might take more looking, but I'd just run the stable release if it's not something you can notice.20:05
anjanyup sounds good mason20:05
anjanthanks20:05
masonI might also not have the perspective you want. I like old things, and if they're slow, all the better. :P20:06
anjanI think I just have to learn to stop about version numbers in programs20:06
anjanIve been using arch for toooooo long20:06
masonYou know about Artix, yes?20:07
anjanI dont like artix20:07
anjanI never liked the AUR20:07
masonkk20:07
anjanI used and loved void20:07
anjanbut then there was a break in pci passthrough20:08
anjanand it took forever to fix cause ovmf requires openssl and void uses libressl20:08
masonOh, I thought you could resolve that with source builds. But I've never done more than initial test installs, so I could be confused.20:08
anjanmason: ya, thats the workaround20:09
anjanbut then python5.8 came and it broke it agian20:09
anjanand I was so upset, I needed something stable. So.... here we are20:09
masonMm, Python. <sarcasm>20:09
anjanI just want a distro that fits my needs ;_l20:10
anjanIm seriously considering gentoo20:10
masonLook at LiGurOS too if you're looking in that direction.20:10
masonThen again, Devuan is what I most like/want, and I bet it'd work out for you. I mean, here we are, after all.20:11
anjanas long as devuan is more stable than everything else, Im happy with it20:11
anjanI tried making a package for devuan last night....It was not fun though20:12
masonAPT packaging isn't the most trivial thing in the world.20:12
masonDepending on what you're doing, there's also stuff like GNU Stow. I've used that a lot in the past for one-off installations where I just want to be able to easily upgrade from time to time.20:12
anjanI maintain a number of packages for alpine and void20:12
anjanah ive used gnu stow20:15
anjanmason: alright I found a fix for my suspend issue: just open tty2 and type in loginctl suspend21:35
anjandont type in loginctl suspend on the tty with x open21:37
anjanIm using the latest kernel21:43
clorti dunno this21:45
masonanjan: oh, weird... that doesn't sound like a kernel issue at all.23:32
masonanjan: I wouldn't probably recommend using loginctl, anyway. It's part of systemd. You can install pm-utils and say pm-suspend and similar.23:33

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