libera/#devuan/ Sunday, 2021-01-03

metalune[m]I have devuan on a second partition now00:00
metalune[m]tomorrow I will have to get rid of all the pre-isntalled crap00:00
metalune[m]like ... the DE00:00
metalune[m]the DisplayManager00:01
fsmithredmetalune[m], maybe you should have just installed the base system and then added stuff you want00:12
fsmithredif you installed a desktop environment from the installer, you will have a hard time removing parts.00:12
metalune[m]I did it!16:41
metalune[m]I am running devuan rn16:41
metalune[m]even tho the installer failed, I somehow made it run16:42
tuxd3vmetalune[m], what is devuan rn?16:47
metalune[m]what16:53
metalune[m]"I am running devuan righ now"16:54
metalune[m]*right16:54
tuxd3vmetalune[m], congratz :)16:56
fsmithredmetalune[m], how did the installer fail?17:01
n4dirRight after the grub menu i get a message about intel/<missing-part>. I try to find that message, but can't. Where would i look?17:17
fsmithredpossible firmware missing?17:18
n4diri think so, but it is intel/<missing-part>17:18
fsmithredI think I get that message. Hang on.17:18
n4diri got no problems, as far i can tell. Just wondering if i should install some non-free firmware or such17:18
fsmithredyou can, but don't have to17:19
n4diri also might stay focused during boot, but it goes so quick, and without problems i don't think of it when booting17:19
n4diri looked at /var/log/boot and in dmesg. Both not my business, so they might be plain wrong for such17:20
fsmithredwell, I can't find it. I know I've seen it recently, but it's not in the most recent VMs I've booted and it's not on the laptop.17:26
fsmithredI think it wants firmware-linux-nonfree or maybe xserver-xorg-video-intel17:26
metalune[m]<fsmithred "metalune, how did the installer "> I don't know, when installing packages it just said "this step failed" or smth like that17:29
fsmithredoh, that happens sometimes17:30
metalune[m]all I had was a bare system17:30
metalune[m]didn't even have sudo and stuff17:30
fsmithredI think it's a network problem, losing connection to the server17:30
n4dirfsmithred: let me write a note and put it on the PC, so next reboot i will remember to have a close look.17:30
metalune[m]I used LAN17:30
fsmithredrepeat the step and it usually works17:30
metalune[m]I tried that17:30
metalune[m]I repeated the step 4 times17:30
fsmithredwow17:30
metalune[m]it never worked17:30
metalune[m]so I just said fuck it and went on with the next step17:30
fsmithredwhich iso did you use?17:30
n4dirmy main question was if there is a way to get that info after booting.17:30
metalune[m]desktop17:31
metalune[m]I have 2 questions tho17:31
fsmithredok17:31
metalune[m]1. about debian backports, can I just use `deb http://deb.debian.org/debian buster-backports main` or are there devuan-specific backports17:31
metalune[m]2. how can I install the linux-libre kernel?17:31
fsmithreddeb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-backports main17:32
fsmithredthat way you get the benefit of the banned-packages filter17:32
fsmithredI've never installed a libre kernel. Someone said there's a repo for debian, and I also know that gnuinos has some libre kernels.17:33
metalune[m]noise, thx17:33
metalune[m] * noice, thx17:33
n4dirmetalune[m]: there probably is a repository for the libre kernel somewhere17:33
metalune[m]yeah I know17:34
n4dirwell. then install it17:34
metalune[m]but I was wondering where it is17:34
metalune[m]because if someone here already knew it could save me a lot of time researching17:34
metalune[m] * because if someone here already knew it could save me a lot of time searching for it17:34
fsmithredhttps://linux-libre.fsfla.org/pub/linux-libre/freesh/17:34
n4dirhttps://romanrm.net/loongson/linux-libre try that17:35
metalune[m]W: GPG error: http://www.fsfla.org/download/linux-libre/lemote/gnewsense metad Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY BCB7CF877E7D47A717:38
metalune[m]I haven't used a debian based distro in ages17:39
fsmithredyou added a repo? You should be able to download the deb packages and install them with dpkg17:40
n4dirapt-cache search key ; sometimes gives a key17:40
fsmithredgo up one level and there are key files17:41
n4dirI once installed the libre kernel and what should i tell you? I saw no difference whatsoever.17:43
metalune[m]the point is that there are no proprietary blobs17:45
n4dirbut then: i also never see differences in version upgrades ... ha ha17:45
IanJI guess if you really want no binary blobs or proprietary code in your kernel then that's what you want. But if you're going to those kind of extremes then you have to consider your bios and processor.17:45
metalune[m]1. I am already researching libreboot and coreboot17:46
metalune[m]2. why do I have to consider my processor?17:46
IanJBecause if you have an intel processor with IME it has an entire OS running in there.17:46
metalune[m]that's what Coreboot / Libreboot is for17:47
metalune[m]isn't it17:47
IanJNot unless it somehow disables the IME on the processor.17:48
IanJlooks like it can... https://www.coreboot.org/Intel_Management_Engine17:50
metalune[m]I need to check that, I kinda assumed that's what it does, because otherwise.. what would be the point lolz17:50
IanJLooks like with varying degrees of success depending on the version of the ME.17:54
IanJhttps://github.com/corna/me_cleaner17:55
n4dirWhat might be the reason there is no /var/log/Xorg log file?17:57
fsmithredmight be user's home17:58
fsmithredI forget where. Maybe in .local17:58
metalune[m]you wan't a logfile from what?17:58
IanJ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log17:59
n4dirthat is where it is now?17:59
n4dirwell, it is there, but why?17:59
metalune[m]why would it NOT be there?18:00
IanJI have one in /var/log/ too18:00
fsmithredbecause X is running as user18:00
luser977could well be in /tmp18:01
n4dirwhen did that change?18:01
fsmithredin buster/beowulf18:01
fsmithreduh, maybe in stretch/ascii18:01
IanJI'm on beowulf and mine is being written to in /var/log.18:02
luser977putting log files not subject to logrotate in a directory which is backed up is  a bad idea.18:02
luser977$HOME abuse18:03
IanJthe one in my home directory is old, pre beowulf18:03
IanJI didn't reformat my home directory when I installed beowulf.18:03
* luser977 nods sadly18:03
IanJn4dir: I guess you would expect to find it in /var/log then if you're running beowulf.18:05
n4diri expect that, but it ain't there.18:05
IanJis xorg running ok?18:05
n4diryeah, sure.18:05
IanJhmmm, strange :)18:05
n4dirIf it is now in $HOME, fine with me. I will get used to it. I have to18:06
IanJn4dir: check the one in home is being written to. I had one there but it was from my previous debian install probably.18:06
IanJMaybe it depends how you're starting x, I'm using a lightdm.18:07
n4dirIt sure has content. And it can't be copied from somewhere else. --- startx here18:07
IanJcheck the date on the file.18:07
IanJI just did ls -al on mine and it was dated back November so I know it's not in use. The one in /var/log is dated today.18:08
n4dirboth today, it seems.18:08
n4dirvery odd.18:09
IanJMaybe that's due to the way you're starting x then. If you use a login manager maybe it puts it in /var/log18:09
IanJThat's what seems to be happening here anyway.18:09
n4diryeah, lets assume that is the reason. Thanks for the info18:09
n4dirIn the qemu installation with lightdm it has Xorg.log in /var/log, and none in the users home.18:12
n4dirthat being ceres though. But i think that is the explanation. At least fine enough for me18:12
user____can anyone explain in 10 words why the running kernel and the running kernel package have 2 different numbers in them for version?18:24
user____running 4.19.0-10-amd64 from 4.19.132-1 -- uhh?18:24
user____[related] where the d* are the implementations of the magical /dev/{mem,kmem,port} devices in the kernel tree?18:25
koollmanuser____: drivers/char/mem.c, I think18:31
fsmithreduser____, one number is the kernel version and the other number is the debian package version.18:34
user____found it yes https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/char/mem.c18:35
fsmithreduname -a to see both18:35
user____fsmithred: which is which?18:35
user____I keep seeing both.18:35
user____ok18:35
fsmithredthe one ending in -amd64 is the package version18:35
user____ok18:35
aitor_hi18:35
fsmithredhi aitor18:35
user____thanks18:35
user____could anyone explain why the read_port on /dev/port reads the port 64k times?! https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/char/mem.c#63118:36
user____L 63118:36
user____is that a busy spin or what?18:37
koollmanit doesn't18:38
user____oh it's a buffer read ok18:38
user____ok, I get it. I have a problem where reading a port is 250 times slower than writing the same address18:39
user____there is no hw reason for this. It's a plain io register on a PCI printer port.18:39
koollmanthat code seems a bit strange to me, but shouldn't be too slow. maybe writing is async or going through a buffer, but reading can't ?18:41
aitor_today, building some iso images, i was getting a GPG error using the repository of gnuinos in the chroot jail of the live-sdk, even being it signed:18:57
aitor_E: The repository 'http://packages.gnuinos.org/merged beowulf InRelease' is not signed.18:57
aitor_Couldn't execute /usr/bin/apt-key to check blahblahblah...18:58
aitor_i solved this by adding a new config file to APT with the following line:18:59
aitor_APT::Sandbox::User "root";18:59
aitor_i wonder if i should leave it int eh iso18:59
aitor_sorry18:59
aitor_i wonder if i should leave it in the iso, or remove it19:00
aitor_remove it before building the image, i mean19:00
aitor_fsmithred: yesterday i uploaded an image of gnuinos beowulf with vdev19:02
fsmithredaitor, I don't know what to do about that apt config19:03
aitor_ok, no worries, never happened to me before19:04
fsmithredcool that vdev still works19:04
aitor_yes!19:04
aitor_i upgraded the hardware database and the content of libudev1-compat, and i also added the cdrom_id binary, missing in the code of jude nelson and required for live sessions19:04
fsmithrednice19:04
fsmithredI thought I made live-isos with vdev19:05
fsmithredyeah, in jessie19:05
aitor_yes, but some changes were needed after jessie19:06
fsmithredah, good work19:06
aitor_the boot time still sucks a bit, but quoting to steve litt, "sucks" is better than "depends on systemd"19:06
fsmithredwas just gonna ask about boot time19:06
fsmithredand yeah, steve is right19:07
aitor_you can give it a try, it's the one with openbox19:08
aitor_we'll improve the boot time over time for sure19:09
aitor_need to go, see you later19:10
fsmithredtake care19:11
aitor_bye and happy 2021 :)19:11
fsmithred:)19:11
amesseruser____: For transactional busses like PCI, PCI-E reading is two transactions (where to read, result) while writing is one transaction (where to write + data)19:16
amesserTo problem becomes more evident, the smaller the amount of data19:16
amesserAlso PCI-E and PCI are not supposed to transfer small data at all. (I have seen same read on PCI-E hardware even slower than on PCI hardware)19:19
luser977amesser 2.7msec/byte is ridiculous. there's a timeout somewhere, but where?19:56
DashiePiedoes anyone know how to use winetricks with the wine-development configuration instead of base?23:56

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