libera/#devuan/ Sunday, 2021-01-17

bruquit00:59
XenguyJeybe[m]: fluffywolf is an 'all software sucks' person  ; -)01:02
XenguyYou check a checkbox to get more fine-grained message feedback (I like that configuration as it's more precise)01:04
Xenguyi.e. re: connection status01:05
KREYRENhttps://bin.snopyta.org/?d282ad2fe56476c0#CiK3L7Z6RA89BRWYyRnncsoKW3yR2b6mF1trLZtCCNU309:42
KREYRENwhy am i getting 404 on torvuan? x.x09:42
KREYRENdid the syntax for tor sources changed or something?09:42
wikanhi10:18
wikando you know what happen if I could execute any command but I could not ls files?10:18
wikanand even graphucal file manager couldn't get list of files10:19
gnarfacewikan: my hypothesis is you don't have permissions for your own home directory10:40
gnarfacewikan: (or whatever it is you're trying to ls, anyway)10:42
wikangnarface: well, i restarted os and was ok10:48
wikanactually it wasn't permission error but hang10:48
wikanfile manager and ls command hung after ran10:49
wikanbut i could run apps and commands still10:49
luser977does one of the default start scripts on devuan set sane permissions on $HOME?11:02
wikanluser977: it is to me or about my issue?11:02
Jim38Hello! is this the right place to find support?14:33
n4diryes14:34
Jim38Thank you, total noob here, with the goal in mind of ditching windows14:34
n4dirin IRC you can just ask your question, but sometimes you have to give it a bit of time until someone answers14:36
Jim38Right14:37
onefangCoz you might have to wait for someone knowledgeable about your question to wake up or something.14:37
Jim38:D14:38
fsmithredwe have the globe surrounded.14:38
Jim38So, my issue is the BUG: soft lockup14:39
fsmithredsay more14:41
Jim84well, I'm running beowulf 3.0 stable14:43
fsmithreddescribe what happens14:43
Jim84hm idk what else to say XD14:43
Jim84I boot and it asks for login, but then it prompts the bug right away14:44
fsmithredwhat does "prompts the bug" mean?14:45
fsmithredgot a bug number?14:45
Jim84I am sorry for my vocabulary14:46
Jim84I will reboot to get exactly what it says and I will be back14:46
Jim84thank you14:46
fsmithredso you give your password in the login screen, and then what happens?14:46
jim43Hello again. So, I boot. Before I get to login, in terminal it shows:rcu_sched self-detected stall on CPU14:53
jim43Then it continues: blocking rcu_node structures:14:53
jim43Watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 22s!14:54
cronoliodisable splash screen and you will see a lot more ;)14:55
fsmithredjim43, is this a brand new installation? Have you been able to log in before this?15:11
jim43This is indeed a brand new installation15:11
fsmithredwhich iso did you use?15:12
fsmithreddesktop-live or desktop installer dvd?15:12
fsmithredor netinstall iso?15:13
fsmithredand did you install to a virtual machine or to real hardware?15:17
jim43Good question, I went over those options for so long that I forgot already. I have been able to log in though, by pressing E on the boot option and setting nouveau to 0. But I don't know how to save this change. And I have installed to hardware.15:18
fsmithredto save changes in the grub menu, edit /etc/default/grub and then run update-grub to update the boot menu15:20
fsmithredyou could replace 'quiet' on the linux line with your nouveau option15:21
fsmithredor leave quite and append the option15:21
fsmithreddo you know how to edit a system file as root?15:22
jim43Thank you for your help.15:22
jim43I'm trying now to edit as root15:23
fsmithredHere's a good beginner's guide: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=5855715:25
jim43So if I understand right, I get root with su. But then after trying to open /etc/default/grub it says permission denied. I will try a different way15:26
fsmithredexit and then use 'su -'15:26
fsmithredoh15:26
fsmithredwhat text editor are you using?15:27
fsmithredtrying to use a graphical editor?15:27
fsmithrednano /etc/default/grub15:27
fsmithredarrow keys to navigate15:27
jim43I was trying to do it from the terminal XD should I use Vim? : D15:27
fsmithredif you know vim, go for it15:27
jim43I literally just installed my first distro ever after getting pissed at Windows last week15:28
jim43So I don't "know" anything. But I will try15:29
Xenguyjim43: nano is an easier text editor to use than vim, but both will work15:30
fsmithredyeah, the instructions are on the bottom of the screen. Can't go wrong.15:34
gnarfacejim43: i've seen some hardware run into that error due to a buggy "C1E powersaving mode" implementation, which possibly can be disabled in the bios... it doesn't really save much power anyway15:35
msiismSo, as it turns out, my font rendering problem was simply dues to a newer version of FreeType not being able to render the fonts I use properly.15:42
fsmithredwhich version msiism ?15:43
msiismPutting `FREETYPE_PROPERTIES='truetype:interpreter-version=35` into my shell envrionment, as suggested by hexnewbie in ##linux, completely solved it.15:44
msiismfsmithred: I'm not sure what the defult version is.15:44
numzobmsiism: never in a million years would i have figured that out :o  congrats  :)15:45
fsmithredlibfreetype6 2.9.1-3+deb10u2 is in beowulf15:45
fsmithred2.10.4+dfsg-1 is in chimaera/ceres (bullseye/sid)15:46
fsmithredso you didn't have to change the version?15:48
msiismnumzob: I knew it had to do with the rendering instead of the driver, at some point. But yeah, I would have taken a few days, probably weeks, to figure it out.15:48
msiismfsmithred: I just used that environment variable.15:49
fsmithredI'm gonna try it15:49
msiismThat's all I had to do.15:49
msiismSo, I'll put that into my ~/.profile, I guess.15:49
msiismAnd export it there.15:49
jim43Thank you guys! It helped a lot15:51
fsmithredyw15:52
fsmithredbrb15:52
fsmithredmsiism, that didn't change anything here15:56
msiismfsmithred: It might depend on the fonts you use.15:57
fsmithredoh, maybe15:57
fsmithredI'm using whatever came with xfce15:57
msiismHere's a screenshot from ym system: https://www.msiism.org/fd/bgdW3l/FreeType--The_older_the_better--URxvt.png15:57
fsmithredbut I did notice that I use custom dpi 9615:57
msiismSo, the left window runs with the newer FreeType and the right one with the older version.15:57
msiismAnd this is the same font, by the way.15:58
msiismDejaVu Sans Mono.15:58
fsmithredI can read the one on the left better15:59
fsmithredbut I don't see a lot of difference15:59
msiismAs I understand it, in the left window the type of font and the means used to rende rit collide a bit.15:59
msiismfsmithred: Well, yeah, at this size, the right seems a bit crisp, maybe, especially in direct comparison. For my taste, it's quite right, though. And I usually blow the font size up quite a bit for better readability.16:00
fsmithredyeah, I see it when I blow it up16:02
msiismSo, this makes a very nice looking Beowulf then. :) I think I should probably put a note into that forum thread I had opened about this a while back.16:04
jim98I had installed from desktop-live in case it is still of interest.16:05
* msiism goes to log out and in again16:10
fsmithredoh16:10
SmilexHey. Is there any repo available to get GCC 9 on beowulf?17:42
gnarfacedid you check beowulf-backports?17:44
gnarfaceif it's not in beowulf-backports you'd have to build the one from chimera or ceres yourself17:45
Smilexnope, but I just enabled the repo and it's sadly not there17:45
gnarfaceif you're just building something else with it you could just run chimera or ceres in a chroot17:46
SmilexI need it to install a newer kernel17:47
gnarfacewell there is a newer kernel in beowulf-backports17:47
gnarfacemaybe you don't need gcc at all for that task17:47
Smilexoh? I looked at apt list --upgradable and there wasn't any newer kernel. Am I looking at it wrong17:48
gnarfaceapt-get update && apt-cache -t beowulf-backports search linux-image-17:48
gnarfaceor better yet17:48
gnarfaceapt-get update && apt-cache -t beowulf-backports search '^linux-image-'17:48
gnarfaceyou probably need to get the corresponding '^linux-headers-' too17:49
gnarfacewell, assuming nvidia drivers17:49
gnarfaceor anything using dkms17:49
Smilexso they are called "bpo". You know what that means?17:52
gnarfacein the case of nvidia, you'll want to get the corresponding nvidia packages from backports too, if you're using amdgpu you'll want to get the various mesa packages from there and the firmware-amd-graphics package17:52
gnarfacethey have bpo in the names yes, i don't know what it means unless it's short for backports17:52
gnarfaceyou will find that none of these are different from debian's17:53
Smilexso what do I search to find the corresponding nvidia packages?17:54
Smilexbecause I'm getting a nvidia dkms error17:54
gnarfacedpkg -l |grep nvidia -i17:54
gnarfacethen make sure every one of those packages is the latest version17:54
gnarfaceall but one of them will be in non-free17:54
gnarfaceor maybe all of them17:55
gnarfacei'm not sure17:55
gnarfacebut the point is that except for the ones where the version is some datestamp, they should all have the same version17:55
gnarfacemake sure it's the version in backports17:55
gnarfacesearching the repo: apt-cache -t beowulf-backports search ^nvidia-17:55
Smilexdid they change the package names from just nvidia to nvidia-tesla ?17:57
gnarfaceno idea, not that i know of17:58
gnarfacei would assume those are for tesla hardware17:58
golinuxSmilex: You can also explore packages with pkginfo.devuan.org17:58
Smilexseems like the newer nvidia driver is in chimera, and the newer kernel is in backports, but something "nvidia dkms" won't compile with the newer kernel in backports18:04
gnarfaceyes, you need nvidia drivers and the kernel and headers all from backports or dkms doesn't work18:07
gnarfacethere's a known issue going between certain versions18:07
gnarfacewhich kinda ruins the point, i know18:07
Smilexbut there isn't a newer nvidia driver from backports18:07
gnarfacecertainly there must be18:07
Smilexor do you want me to install the same one, just from backports?18:07
gnarfaceoh, you installed the same or a later version from elsewhere?  i don't know why that wouldn't work, i could only guess you missed something18:08
Smilexnvm that made no sense18:08
SmilexI can see some nvidia-tesla stuff in backports18:09
SmilexI have this installed https://pkginfo.devuan.org/xsl-bin/package-query.html?c=package&q=nvidia-driver=418.152.00-118:09
gnarfacei would recommend using the packages from beowulf-backports instead of from some other distro, or from nvidia.com, but as long as the version is recent enough i expected it to work with the dkms thing18:09
Smilexit's from http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf/non-free amd6418:10
gnarfacewhat version?18:10
gnarfaceoh, 418?18:11
SmilexI'm pretty sure I have that installed. Don't know how to verify18:12
gnarfacelike i said: dpkg -l |grep nvidia -i18:12
gnarfacethe version in backports is higher than 418 for sure18:13
Smilexoh right18:13
Smilexyeah I have 418.152.00-118:13
gnarfaceapt-get --no-install-recommends -t beowulf-backports install ^nvidia-driver18:14
gnarfaceno18:14
gnarfaceapt-get --no-install-recommends -t beowulf-backports install nvidia-driver18:14
gnarfacewithout the carrot18:14
gnarfacewhat does that do?18:14
gnarfaceit should prompt to update a dozen or so files18:15
gnarfacebut if you re-run the dpkg -l command again afterwards you'll see it inevitably misses a few, which you have to name individually18:15
Smilex36 upgrades18:16
SmilexI assume I should go ahead?18:16
gnarfaceare you already booted into the backports kernel?18:16
gnarfaceand you have the corresponding headers file?18:16
Smilexno the backports kernel wouldn't install18:16
gnarfaceer, headers package, i mean?18:16
gnarfacehmm18:16
Smilexthe headers package18:16
gnarfaceit should have installed, even if the dkms errored out18:17
Smilexoh ok18:17
Smilexshould I get the image part too, and boot into it?18:17
gnarfaceyes, tell me which one you're getting first so i can make sure it's right18:17
gnarfacei don't know if it really matters what order you do it in as long as you get all the right packages18:18
gnarfaceyou can re-run dkms at any time18:18
Smilexlinux-image-5.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd6418:19
gnarfacelooks fine18:19
Smilexok and then the nvidia-driver?18:19
gnarfaceget that one and the linux-headers-5.8.... both first, THEN the nvidia-driver and nvidia-driver-bin packages18:19
gnarfaceand yes, when i did it, i booted into the backports kernel first18:20
Smilexhow do I revert btw?18:20
Smilexcould be that my GPU isn't supported by this newer driver18:20
gnarfaceyou're not doing this because it wasn't supported by the old one?18:20
SmilexNo my audio hardware gets supported by this https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.5.8/18:21
gnarfacesame way as debian, you'd just remove all the nvidia packages and install the beowulf ones again18:23
gnarfaceit won't uninstall the old kernel, you can just select it from grub18:23
Smilexwould that be automatic if I disabled the backports source?18:23
gnarfaceno, packages wouldn't automatically downgrade to an lower version under any circumstances18:23
gnarfaceyou could call them by version specifically instead18:24
gnarfacebut it wouldn't downgrade automatically18:24
gnarfaceunless your card is 600 era or older it's probably gonna be fine18:25
Smilexit's 75018:25
Smilexpretty old18:25
gnarfaceit should be fine18:25
gnarfacethey're not killing off 700's yet18:26
gnarfaceyou can "apt-get download [package]" instead of "apt-get install [package]" and it'll just download the package to the current directory18:27
Smilexok I went through dpkg -l and fixed the version mismatches18:27
gnarfaceyou could do that ahead of time for all the stock beowulf nvidia packages, so you don't have to panic if it doesn't work and somehow kills your network connection too18:27
SmilexI guess it's time I reboot?18:27
Smilexnetwork is ethernet, it should be fine?18:27
gnarfaceyes, it should be fine.  did dkms run without error this time?18:28
Smilexhow do I run it?18:28
gnarfacei think just dkms -a18:28
SmilexI'm haven't rebooted yet, so shouldn't it test against this older kernel?18:28
gnarfaceit would have run either way i thought18:28
Smilexdkms -a is not an action18:28
gnarfaceis your world gonna end if it comes up without a gui?18:29
Smilexno I use weechat, so I'll be back here for support :D18:29
gnarfaceyou might have to run dkms afterwards18:29
gnarfacethen reboot once more18:29
msiismgolinux: Could you possibly mark the following forum thread "[Solved]": https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=26869. I can't edit the first post anymore, probably because it's been too long since I've submitted it.18:30
Smilexseems to have worked!18:33
Smilexany sanity checks I should do?18:33
gnarfacethe sanity check i was expecting was you seeing it run dkms without error18:33
gnarfacewhich, presumably it must have if it's working...18:34
Smilexhow do I call dkms? dkms -a didn't work18:34
gnarfacetry it with no parameters18:34
gnarfacebut actually18:34
gnarfacefirst just check the xorg log18:34
gnarfaceit'll say which version of the nvidia drivers it loaded18:34
SmilexError! No action was specified.18:34
Smilexthat's for dkms18:35
gnarfaceyea i forget how to call it, i'd have to consult the man page18:35
Smilexxorg log. Where are those?18:35
gnarfaceeither /var/log/Xorg.*.log or ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.*.log18:35
SmilexOpenGL core profile version string: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 450.80.0218:35
Smilexfrom glxinfo18:35
gnarfaceshould be correct too afaik but i wouldn't claim to be sure it knows the difference between the installed library versions and the running kernel module if there's a discrepancy18:36
gnarfaceanyway, all signs point to it's fine18:36
gnarfaceusually when it doesn't work you see the errors18:36
gnarfaceif you ever have to, the other way you can re-trigger the dkms build is to just force reinstall the packages with apt-get18:38
gnarfaceapt-get --reinstall install [package name]18:38
Smilexthere are some messages about failing to install nvidia kernel module18:38
gnarfacewhere?18:38
Smilexin Xorg18:39
SmilexXorg.0.log18:39
gnarfacepaste.debian.net?18:39
gnarfacemake sure it's the right one18:40
gnarfacecheck both locations, it may have moved from /var/log to ~/.local/share/xorg, so you might be looking at an old version18:40
Smilexoh it's old18:41
Smilexthat was .local/share/xorg18:41
Smilexok found the actual one and it seems to be fine18:43
gnarfacealright, cool18:43
Smilexnow let's see if my audio device actually works18:43
Smilexwell it shows up but doesn't work18:49
gnarfacehmm18:49
Smilexgnarface: anyway thanks a lot!18:49
gnarfaceyou checked volume levels in alsamixer and pavucontrol both, right?18:50
gnarfaceand you added yourself to the "audio" group?18:50
SmilexYeah it freezes Jack18:50
Smilexsomething is wrong18:50
gnarfacedamn, i got nothing then, sorry18:50
SmilexI also get two error messages, which might be solved by upgrading the firmware18:50
gnarfaceoh, if there's non-free firmware for it, it probably needs to come from backports to match the kernel too18:50
SmilexI think I need to boot into windows, download their software, and then upgrade the firmware that way18:51
gnarfaceyikes18:51
golinuxmsiism: Will do!19:00
msiismgolinux: Thank you.19:00
msiismNow, is there some inherent security risk in setting ALWAYS_SET_PATH to "yes" in /etc/default/su?20:10
fsmithrednot that I know, msiism. The behavior of su changed when it got moved from the shadow package to util-linux20:14
fsmithredso I think it's just a dev's preference (not sure of that)20:14
msiismYeah, I had read about it in the release notes. I'll just set it then. Also, strange they don't use an equal sign for setting this.20:15
fsmithredman su20:17
fsmithredI set it that way. The new default does not work for me.20:18
msiismSame here.20:18
unixbsdI try to get the game Starcraft, running on Devuan. It needs stratagus and Stargus. Have you ever managed to get that thing compiled on devuan and running?=20:39
DashiePiejust curious, 1 or 2 unixbsd?20:41
unixbsd"Starcraft I" the first one, about year 1999 200020:42
DashiePieah20:44
leafwizHeya, I just cloned , https://git.devuan.org/devuan/wicd/src/tag/1.7.4+tb2-6+devuan1# , changed the interpreter to python2 and uploaded it here: https://github.com/torstefan/wicd21:14
leafwizSeems to install with "./setup.py configure --no-install-gnome-shell-extensions --no-install-i18n --no-install-i18n-man && ./setup.py build && sudo ./setup.py install"21:15
leafwizThe reason I did this was that I had some issues when I changed my default python to python321:15
leafwizI talked to someone here and it seemed like there was a need for a small change to the code.21:16
leafwizI'm kinda a newbie when it comes to these sorts of things. But wicd seems to run fine on my devuan system now. Which has just been dist upgraded21:16
unixbsdwicd is easy and working with xfce421:17
unixbsdkde does not have a working wireless.21:17
leafwizJupp, I'm running it under mate21:17
unixbsdI might have a little script with bash that does your wireless...21:18
leafwizI'm good, I have wicd , remember :)21:20
fsmithredleafwiz, is your version working on chimaera or beowulf?21:21
leafwizfsmithred, its working on beowulf21:21
leafwizIts the system i'm currently using21:22
leafwizJust curious , what do you guys in think about Wayland23:13
leafwiz?23:13
leafwizDoes it look like a good replacement for x11 ?23:14
leafwizGiven time23:15
masonleafwiz: Not a fan, not interested in it, but ideally we need people to take up the reins of X11 to avoid Wayland supplanting it.23:23
DashiePiewayland can only git gud if it matches and exceeds X11, and so far, it doesn't impress me, from what I've heard about it23:25
DashiePieSway is the only implementation of VRR? what if I don't want a tiling window manager?23:25
DashiePiejust one example of many, I'd say23:26
fsmithredyou shouldn't need a window manager if all your apps have their own controls, right?23:27
DashiePieI'm not sure if that question is a dig at Wayland or a legit question, but all I can say is, it all depends on whether you're a dev or a user, and what your priorities as said dev or user are23:29
fsmithredyes, sarcasm23:29
fsmithredI like vnc over ssh, so wayland is a no-go23:30
DashiePieah, well, yeah23:30
DashiePieWayland just doesn't impress me from a user standpoint because of the aforementioned lack of implementations and such23:30
DashiePieit's definitely better for AMD users, but I know that team green isn't so happy about Wayland's incompatibility23:31
DashiePieor should I say, Nvidia's lack of co-operation with OSS23:31
DashiePie(not that they'd tell you it's their favorite corp.'s fault)23:32

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