| Guest10711 | ok this scary | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| gnarface | you only care about the lines containing "(EE)" | 00:01 |
| Guest10711 | systemd-logind: took control of session | 00:01 |
| gnarface | ?? | 00:02 |
| gnarface | paste it up to paste.debian.net and give me the link | 00:02 |
| gnarface | you said this is the devuan live image? | 00:02 |
| Guest10711 | yes both | 00:02 |
| Guest10711 | I can paste a screenshot | 00:03 |
| Guest10711 | im on UbuntuTouch phone atm | 00:03 |
| gnarface | oh, you can't get network up on it either? | 00:03 |
| gnarface | i wonder if you just need a newer kernel | 00:04 |
| Guest10711 | network is up luckily, but no gui | 00:04 |
| gnarface | what kernel is that in that live image? | 00:04 |
| gnarface | oh | 00:04 |
| gnarface | well if the network is up you can use pastebinit | 00:04 |
| gnarface | you don't need a mouse for that | 00:04 |
| gnarface | just install pastebinit | 00:04 |
| Guest10711 | EE open /dev/dri/card0 | 00:05 |
| Guest10711 | EE Unable to find framebuffer | 00:05 |
| gnarface | what does "uname -a" output? | 00:05 |
| Guest10711 | EE screen 0 deleted cause no config | 00:06 |
| Guest10711 | EE No framebuffer mode, please specify busIDs | 00:06 |
| Guest10711 | Linux Devuan 4.19.0-9-amd64 | 00:08 |
| gnarface | yea that's too old | 00:08 |
| Guest10711 | Debian 4.19.118-2 | 00:08 |
| gnarface | you either need to get the backports kernel on there or the unstable kernel | 00:08 |
| Guest10711 | the install uso was gotten today let me jump off li e | 00:08 |
| Guest10711 | ok this Iso was downloaded today, non-live is | 00:11 |
| Guest10711 | Debian 4.19.118-2+deb10u1 | 00:11 |
| gnarface | non-live? so you can install the backports kernel? | 00:12 |
| Guest10711 | i went to ftp off devuan.org for iso | 00:12 |
| Guest10711 | Im off live in non booting system | 00:12 |
| gnarface | ? | 00:13 |
| gnarface | i'm confused about what you're saying | 00:14 |
| gnarface | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-backports main contrib non-free | 00:15 |
| gnarface | add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list ^^ | 00:15 |
| gnarface | then run this: apt-get update && apt-get -t beowulf-backports install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64 firmware-amd-graphics | 00:16 |
| Guest10711 | ok, does it have to be non free | 00:16 |
| gnarface | oh, right | 00:16 |
| gnarface | it might not have to be, i don't know | 00:16 |
| gnarface | you can omit contrib and non-free | 00:16 |
| gnarface | then also omit firmware-amd-graphics | 00:16 |
| Guest10711 | Im just saying the issue is the same for ISO install and also Live | 00:16 |
| gnarface | ok i understand, my advice stays the same | 00:17 |
| gnarface | try the beowulf-backports kernel | 00:17 |
| gnarface | linux-image-amd64 | 00:17 |
| gnarface | actually it might not be that easy | 00:17 |
| gnarface | you could try this first to see what kernels are available: apt-get -t beowulf-backports search ^linux-image- | 00:18 |
| gnarface | (you still have to run "apt-get update" first either way) | 00:20 |
| Guest10711 | installing | 00:21 |
| Guest10711 | firmware-amd-graphics is non free Im guessing | 00:22 |
| johnny222 | Yes | 00:22 |
| gnarface | yea, | 00:22 |
| gnarface | i don't know for sure you'll need it, but it's possible you will have reduced functionality without it | 00:23 |
| gnarface | if it's like regular amd video cards, 2d, unaccelerated graphics will still work | 00:23 |
| Guest10711 | ok, linux-header-amd64 backports done | 00:23 |
| gnarface | make sure it's actually the backports one it's pointing to | 00:23 |
| Guest10711 | yea i know usb3 surveillance runs through gpu lol | 00:24 |
| gnarface | it's like 5.10 or something like that | 00:24 |
| gnarface | 5.9 or 5.10 at least | 00:24 |
| Guest10711 | installing linux-image | 00:26 |
| gnarface | also, make sure your user is in the "video" group | 00:29 |
| gnarface | though, if it comes down to that, the errors should change in the xorg log accordingly | 00:29 |
| Guest10711 | no change in errors :( | 00:30 |
| Guest10711 | after reboot and startx | 00:30 |
| Guest10711 | so no coice but non free? | 00:31 |
| Guest10711 | is there a way to o ly pull amd-firmware and nothing else for future apt-get upgrades? | 00:31 |
| Guest10711 | apt-cache search has image-5.9 | 00:34 |
| Guest10711 | bpo | 00:34 |
| Guest10711 | theres alot of 4.19nvm im on bpo | 00:35 |
| gnarface | are you sure you are actually on the new kernel? was there any change to the output of "uname -a" ? | 00:37 |
| Guest10711 | no 5.10 for me :( | 00:37 |
| Guest10711 | uname is 5.9 bpo | 00:37 |
| gnarface | apt-get install firmware-amd-graphics | 00:38 |
| gnarface | er, sorry, i mean: apt-get -t beowulf-backports install firmware-amd-graphics | 00:38 |
| gnarface | then remove that backports line from your sources.list (or comment it out) | 00:38 |
| gnarface | then re-run "apt-get update" and future upgrades will not include backports even by accident | 00:39 |
| Guest10711 | i need to non-free a src | 00:39 |
| gnarface | maybe, i'm not sure | 00:41 |
| gnarface | you don't want to install *everything* from backports | 00:41 |
| gnarface | i think you only want firmware-amd-graphics and the kernel and headers | 00:41 |
| gnarface | you might also need mesa | 00:41 |
| gnarface | from there | 00:41 |
| gnarface | if it's there | 00:42 |
| Guest10711 | which one to non-free? | 00:42 |
| gnarface | i'm not sure what you're asking | 00:42 |
| gnarface | there's no non-free kernel, just firmware-amd-graphics is in non-free | 00:43 |
| Guest10711 | beowulf, security, updates, or just backports, or all? | 00:43 |
| gnarface | just backports | 00:44 |
| gnarface | you should literally only need that one package from non-free | 00:44 |
| Guest10711 | how do I add words in vim lol | 00:44 |
| Guest10711 | i only learned cc or r | 00:45 |
| gnarface | just use nano instead | 00:45 |
| gnarface | the instructions are printed at the bottom | 00:45 |
| gnarface | it's i for insert, i think though | 00:46 |
| Guest10711 | firmware-amd-graphics no candidate, another package | 00:49 |
| gnarface | in beowulf backports? | 00:50 |
| gnarface | hmmm | 00:50 |
| rrq | firmware-amd-graphics is in beowulf/non-free | 00:50 |
| gnarface | is there just not one in backports? | 00:50 |
| Guest10711 | oops hang on | 00:50 |
| Guest10711 | i non freed security | 00:51 |
| Guest10711 | beowulf main non-free | 00:53 |
| Guest10711 | and | 00:53 |
| Guest10711 | beowulf-backports main non-free | 00:53 |
| Guest10711 | it has to say contrib | 00:58 |
| * rrq thinks that if that is a question then the answer is no | 01:00 | |
| gnarface | i always use contrib and non-free together, i dont' know | 01:00 |
| Guest45264 | Install the firmware-amd-graphics, libgl1-mesa-dri, libglx-mesa0, mesa-vulkan-drivers, and xserver-xorg-video-all packages: | 01:15 |
| gnarface | sounds like a good start | 01:17 |
| Guest45264 | and a successful reboot! | 01:17 |
| gnarface | you mean you have graphics? | 01:17 |
| Guest45264 | thx so much, gratz to devuan being picked up by gnu to replace gnewsense | 01:18 |
| gnarface | indeed | 01:18 |
| gnarface | you're welcome | 01:18 |
| Guest45264 | gratz on being noticed bt ParrotOS | 01:18 |
| Guest45264 | now I can get back on TrueGreatAwakening telegram channel | 01:21 |
| Guest45264 | should I move the kernel and headers ?back | 01:22 |
| gnarface | Guest45264: what? no, you need to keep the bpo stuff | 01:28 |
| gnarface | Guest45264: backports firmware and mesa stuff is intended to be used together with the backports kernel, as a set | 01:30 |
| xrogaan | Package: firmware-amd-graphics || Version: 20200918-1~bpo10+1 | 01:30 |
| xrogaan | apt -t beowulf-backports install firmware-amd-graphics | 01:30 |
| xrogaan | using the three 'main contrib non-free' | 01:31 |
| xrogaan | channels (damn you fingers for hitting enter too fast) | 01:31 |
| rrq | yes... turns out pkginfo didn't have "contrib non-free" for bpo | 01:43 |
| Mike3 | Hello again | 01:44 |
| johnny222 | Usually I get an error on a fresh devuan install when I first start using apt | 01:44 |
| Mike3 | What is the config for pulseaudio not configing | 01:45 |
| Mike3 | lol not loading | 01:45 |
| fsmithred | look in /etc/pulse/client.conf.d/ | 01:45 |
| fsmithred | it'll be obvious "autospawn" in the name | 01:46 |
| fsmithred | and comment tells you what to do | 01:46 |
| rrq | johnny222: probably a key change between the making of the install media and the present | 01:47 |
| johnny222 | How would I go about fixing that | 01:49 |
| johnny222 | Usually I just edit the sources and it works alright | 01:49 |
| fsmithred | johnny222, 'apt update' and then tell it 'yes' | 01:49 |
| fsmithred | when it talks about the suite changing | 01:49 |
| fsmithred | if you do apt-get update you don't get a useful message | 01:50 |
| fsmithred | or a chance to say yes | 01:50 |
| johnny222 | Thanks | 01:50 |
| johnny222 | Will do | 01:50 |
| fsmithred | that won't be a problem with the next set of isos | 01:51 |
| Xenguy | fsmithred: I've never heard of apt and apt-get behaving differently like that, is that common or is this an edge case in that regard | 02:06 |
| Xenguy | *is this common | 02:06 |
| fsmithred | not common | 02:06 |
| fsmithred | and it's a new thing | 02:06 |
| Xenguy | Hrm, is this a new feature of apt that apt-get doesn't have, or ...? | 02:07 |
| fsmithred | when a suite graduates from testing to stable you get a message on your first update. | 02:07 |
| fsmithred | assuming you were running testing | 02:07 |
| fsmithred | and if you make a set of installer isos before that suite graduates... | 02:08 |
| fsmithred | then everyone gets that message on their first update | 02:08 |
| fsmithred | apt get just complains and doesn't tell you how to fix it | 02:08 |
| fsmithred | and there's probably some long apt-get option to get around it | 02:08 |
| Xenguy | Not happy with that, as I tend to use apt-get typically | 02:09 |
| Xenguy | Perhaps I'll have to get on the apt train after all | 02:09 |
| fsmithred | I use both | 02:09 |
| fsmithred | and aptitude, too | 02:09 |
| fsmithred | apt update, aptitude -s install/upgrade, | 02:10 |
| Xenguy | Until I heard this, apt and apt-get were pretty much functionally equivalent, AFAICT | 02:10 |
| fsmithred | and then usually apt or apt-get to actually install al package | 02:10 |
| fsmithred | apt is more likely to change | 02:10 |
| fsmithred | they warn against using it in scripts for that reason | 02:11 |
| Xenguy | My hesitance with using aptitude was learning at some point that, unlike apt and apt-get, apt-get and aptitude were not necessarily fully co-functioning if you will... | 02:11 |
| fsmithred | they are mostly the same | 02:11 |
| fsmithred | oh, that was long ago | 02:12 |
| fsmithred | they've been compatible probably since squeeze or wheezy | 02:12 |
| fsmithred | aptitude is nice sometimes when you run into conflicts. It will give alternatives. | 02:12 |
| Xenguy | I got scared off aptitude for that reason, but as you say, if I consistently used apt or apt-get for the insallation part, then using aptitude for other things is perfectly fine | 02:12 |
| Xenguy | Yeah makes sense | 02:14 |
| fluffywolf | anyone here in the mood to submit a bug? I find debian's bugtracker incredibly painful to make work. | 06:20 |
| fluffywolf | I have a patch. :P | 06:20 |
| fluffywolf | submitting the bug/patch upstream to their github. | 06:38 |
| n4dir | i can't figure out how to make this motherboard, ASRock, boot from USB stick. If i go in the "BIOS" menu, boot, boot options, all i see is 1) debian (SATA3_1 GP***) 2) Windows Boot Manager 3) Disabled and 4) same like 1, but *** is different for GP** | 08:50 |
| n4dir | ASRock UEFI VERSION J410SB-ITX P1.30 | 08:50 |
| n4dir | i don't see CD, usb or anything like that | 08:52 |
| rrq | same thing wether usb stick is inserted or not? | 09:15 |
| n4dir | yes, as far i can tell yet | 09:16 |
| n4dir | i can't even remember how i made it boot from CD, to install devuan. Probably it happened automatically | 09:17 |
| n4dir | i never had an UEFI system. How does this usually work? | 09:17 |
| rrq | automagically :) | 09:18 |
| n4dir | iirc: for BIOS there usually is keyboard-shortcut, and you then can choose from what to boot (besides setting it in the BIOS menu itself) | 09:19 |
| rrq | unfortunately there's a plethora of uefi implementations with all sorts of different quirks | 09:20 |
| rrq | it sounds like your system doesn't boot from usb; is there some eentry to "define" or "set up" new boot options? | 09:22 |
| n4dir | in "Boot" all which is to be seen is what i said | 09:22 |
| rrq | fwiw the "efi boot partition" on the iso is the second partition | 09:23 |
| rrq | I guess you tried 1 and 4 | 09:24 |
| n4dir | i tried all which i found. Windows boots windows, Debian boots Devuan, and thats about it | 09:25 |
| rrq | random advice: "As you boot, hit F11 to bring up the boot device menu" ... | 09:27 |
| n4dir | yeah, found that and will try it next. Thanks. Thanks in general | 09:28 |
| rrq | probably needs a USB 2.0 port | 09:29 |
| n4dir | k, rrq thanks so far. I will investigate later, and if i know more, ask again | 09:29 |
| lts | Anyone with salt-minion? There's a 10ish VM environment I'd like to migrate from buster to beowulf, and it's managed by salt. However, upon migration the salt-minions no longer start. After starting them once, killing the process, and starting the minion again, it just works. The behaviour is the same no matter are the services launched by init at boot, or manually (via service or by launching the | 11:46 |
| lts | commands directly) after network is certainly up. The minion's log_level "trace" shows nothing after "Getting lsb_release distro information" in the first start, and getting the grains in the second start. lsb_release -a works fine, though says "No LSB modules are available." before showing Devuan, Beowulf, and so on. | 11:46 |
| sauron- | hi all | 15:36 |
| sauron- | im using devuan beowulf, full update-upgrade, im having problems with transparency | 15:36 |
| sauron- | changed from slim to lightdm if it matters | 15:37 |
| sauron- | the transparency in terminals is not working | 15:37 |
| sauron- | terminals installed where i need transparency: guake, mate-terminal, tilda | 15:38 |
| Joril | which window manager are you using? | 15:45 |
| sauron- | Joril xfce | 16:19 |
| Joril | is the compositor active? | 16:20 |
| sauron- | yes | 16:20 |
| Joril | Which graphic card are you using? | 16:21 |
| sauron- | wait... | 16:23 |
| sauron- | Joril Intel Mobile 4 Series Integrated Graphics vendor: Acer Incorporated AL | 16:24 |
| Joril | could be something at the driver level... Sorry nothing more comes to mind :( | 16:26 |
| sauron- | Joril https://t.me/IRCcaptures/70 | 16:26 |
| sauron- | ok, the compositor works but in the guake menu, the slide of transparency does nothing | 16:27 |
| sauron- | in general, background of inactive windows works, these slides are well but in the terminals i mentioned (tilda, mate-terminal, guake) that slide of transparency does nothing | 16:29 |
| sauron- | in general, background of inactive windows works etc etc, these slides are well but in the terminals i mentioned (tilda, mate-terminal, guake) that slide of transparency does nothing | 16:29 |
| sauron- | ok, nevermind, after select compositor active all i had to do was restart tilda, guake and mate-terminal | 16:38 |
| sauron- | all good now | 16:39 |
| sauron- | great job with devuan!!!! | 16:39 |
| lts | Ok I found the cause of my salt-minion issue above - the devuan sysvinit script has the "-d" flag which is warned against in https://ansible-cn.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/troubleshooting/minion.html . Removing the flag from /etc/init.d/salt-minion fixes the issue. | 16:43 |
| j124560 | I just installed devuan through changing the top two default sources in apt from beowulf to chimaera (and I commented out the other lines) but I was wondering what the deal was with receiving security updates on chimaera | 19:33 |
| j124560 | *devuan testing I meant in the beginning | 19:34 |
| fsmithred | everything goes into unstable first and works its way down to testing. | 19:34 |
| fsmithred | after a couple weeks, usually | 19:34 |
| fsmithred | some security fixes happen faster | 19:35 |
| j124560 | should I add the unstable testing | 19:35 |
| fsmithred | what's that? | 19:35 |
| j124560 | i mean security lol | 19:35 |
| j124560 | so tired | 19:35 |
| fsmithred | no, it doesn't exist yet | 19:35 |
| j124560 | unstable security | 19:35 |
| j124560 | o ok | 19:35 |
| fsmithred | only one line needed | 19:35 |
| fsmithred | and deb-src only if you need to download sources | 19:35 |
| j124560 | so no security yet for chimaera? | 19:36 |
| fsmithred | nope | 19:36 |
| fsmithred | doesn't need it | 19:36 |
| j124560 | thank u | 19:36 |
| Guest64 | hello i'm having issues with libreoffice | 21:28 |
| Guest64 | i recently upgraded from beowulf to ceres and tried starting libreoffice from the terminal, and libreoffice never started | 21:28 |
| golinux | Why ceres instead of chimaera? | 21:29 |
| Guest64 | ceres is more current? | 21:30 |
| golinux | ceres = Debian sid = unstable. | 21:31 |
| Guest64 | i know | 21:31 |
| fsmithred | can you run: /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/swriter | 21:32 |
| fsmithred | ? | 21:32 |
| golinux | Then expect breakage | 21:32 |
| Guest64 | fsmithred i'll try that | 21:32 |
| fsmithred | and did you get any messages in the terminal? | 21:32 |
| Guest64 | no | 21:32 |
| Guest64 | i closed it after a bit | 21:33 |
| fsmithred | you're not running a live-CD are you? There's an issue in beowulf where apparmor prevents libreoffice in live-CD | 21:33 |
| fsmithred | live-CD/DVD/USB | 21:33 |
| Guest64 | i used the live installer | 21:33 |
| Guest64 | but it's on my computer's hard disk | 21:33 |
| fsmithred | cat /proc/cmdline | 21:33 |
| fsmithred | see if apparmor is disabled | 21:34 |
| fsmithred | that probably did not get carried over | 21:34 |
| Guest64 | alright | 21:40 |
| fsmithred | reboot... brb | 21:56 |
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