| Anonical_juju | and I don't want to network install | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| fsmithred | yeah, that's probably related to the bug I mentioned | 00:00 |
| fsmithred | if you boot to ram, that network would probably work. | 00:00 |
| fsmithred | cancel that | 00:01 |
| fsmithred | no boot to ram with the installer isos | 00:01 |
| fsmithred | only with the live | 00:01 |
| fsmithred | I think it'll ask you if you want to mount the system | 00:01 |
| fsmithred | and then you can open a shell in it | 00:02 |
| Anonical_juju | right | 00:02 |
| fsmithred | and then... | 00:02 |
| fsmithred | passwd root | 00:02 |
| daimon | you need to mount / for that to be effective | 00:02 |
| mason | ...after chrooting in | 00:02 |
| fsmithred | and it should ask you to enter it twice | 00:02 |
| daimon | and chroot to it | 00:02 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that's what the choices do | 00:02 |
| fsmithred | it'll even open lvm volumes for you | 00:03 |
| Anonical_juju | well I'm on recovery mode looking at root@localhost | 00:03 |
| fsmithred | df -h | 00:03 |
| fsmithred | to prove you have a mounted root | 00:03 |
| mason | From a working install, there's also init=/bin/sh | 00:03 |
| mason | That might be easiest. | 00:03 |
| Anonical_juju | oh look the file system :) | 00:03 |
| mason | reboot, edit command line to say init=/bin/sh, boot, mount -o remount,rw /, passwd root | 00:04 |
| Anonical_juju | it looks a bit insane in there | 00:04 |
| fsmithred | yikes, mason, he's already there | 00:04 |
| mason | fsmithred: Ah, kk. Carry on. | 00:04 |
| daimon | alright time to crawl into the den of slumber, night all; good luck Anonical_juju, o/ mason and thank you once again to fsmithred :D NIGHT! | 00:04 |
| mason | daimon: o/ | 00:04 |
| fsmithred | g'night | 00:04 |
| fsmithred | what looks insane about a unix file system? | 00:05 |
| fsmithred | Anonical_juju, were you able to set a root password? | 00:06 |
| Anonical_juju | udev 3.8G, tmpfs 780M, deb-root 23G, tmpfs 5M, tmpfs 1.6G, devsda1 236M, deb-home 324G, deb-tmp 1.8G, deb-var 9.2G | 00:06 |
| fsmithred | in the df output? | 00:06 |
| Anonical_juju | yeah | 00:06 |
| fsmithred | look for your root filesystem | 00:06 |
| fsmithred | did you install the system to one partition or more? | 00:07 |
| Anonical_juju | I let it do the work for me and asked for separate partitions for each system | 00:07 |
| numzob | "for each system" | 00:08 |
| Anonical_juju | I expected swap, root, home, boot... there's a dozen items in there | 00:08 |
| fsmithred | shit | 00:08 |
| fsmithred | are they all mounted now? | 00:08 |
| Anonical_juju | It looks to me in any case, that some reinstall where I'm gentle with it will work better | 00:09 |
| mason | 23 here, for comparison | 00:09 |
| mason | Anonical_juju: Try what I recommended. Quick, easy, and you can still reinstall if you hit a roadblock. | 00:09 |
| fsmithred | did you set a root password yet? | 00:09 |
| mason | Anonical_juju: If you can set a root password where you are, that's cool. If not, https://bpa.st/GYSA breaks out a simple method one line per step | 00:10 |
| Anonical_juju | I'm thinking it would be better to try again | 00:11 |
| mason | Way more work, but I see your point. | 00:11 |
| Anonical_juju | if I can still boot from CD I'll undo it all and have partitions that make sense to me | 00:11 |
| fsmithred | unless you have a good reason, I would suggest you just have root and home partitions | 00:11 |
| mason | Heck, just do one big partition. "All in one" is one of the choices. | 00:12 |
| fsmithred | yeah, but it's nice to keep your own files separate from the system | 00:12 |
| numzob | if you're going to wipe and do a fresh install, i'd further suggest practicing install in a vm | 00:12 |
| Anonical_juju | but last time I let it do it for me, it was really logical what it had chosen... I didn't even touch it | 00:13 |
| Anonical_juju | does MATE work alright with it? | 00:14 |
| fsmithred | yeah, mate is working | 00:14 |
| mason | Well, I like everything separated, here. Separate /root, separate /var for containing logs, sometimes even sepatare /var/log to separate package cache and logs, separate /home | 00:15 |
| Anonical_juju | Last time I did it though the logs would never empty by themselves | 00:16 |
| fsmithred | sep home and boot here, and boot is only because I'm using encryption | 00:16 |
| mason | Oh, and /boot, yes. | 00:16 |
| mason | Anonical_juju: you use logrotate and have them turn periodically. | 00:16 |
| Anonical_juju | having this stuff not load automatically is taking advantage of my low IQ | 00:18 |
| Anonical_juju | I was getting stuck when it was full :) | 00:18 |
| fsmithred | logrotate is usually installed and set up automatically | 00:18 |
| Anonical_juju | as for the boot issue, I'm gonna pull the hdd > insert CD > quickly plug HDD in again | 00:19 |
| fsmithred | ? | 00:19 |
| Anonical_juju | can't boot from CD unless there's nothing else | 00:19 |
| fsmithred | this is someone else's computer? | 00:20 |
| Anonical_juju | it's very old, it's got a supervisor password | 00:20 |
| Anonical_juju | it needs an OS | 00:20 |
| fsmithred | one way around it is to pull the drive and connect it to another computer to do the install | 00:21 |
| Anonical_juju | I tried that by just sticking the live CD to the hard drive | 00:22 |
| fsmithred | did what? | 00:22 |
| Anonical_juju | put the live CD on a hard drive and booted from it | 00:23 |
| plub | hey fsmithred you a kraut right | 00:23 |
| fsmithred | nope | 00:23 |
| fsmithred | us | 00:23 |
| plub | ah | 00:23 |
| plub | you know they stole all your gold | 00:23 |
| plub | and theguns were worth nothing | 00:24 |
| plub | lol | 00:24 |
| fsmithred | not here, plub | 00:24 |
| Anonical_juju | then the partitions would not let me change them so I killed them all with fire, and then it broke. but then I discovered that when there is nothing at all then CD is working now | 00:24 |
| plub | they stole all your gold | 00:24 |
| fsmithred | OT | 00:24 |
| plub | all of it | 00:24 |
| fsmithred | Anonical_juju, that's not what I meant | 00:24 |
| numzob | stealing gold? is this devuan irc or a mud? | 00:25 |
| fsmithred | boot the CD or a usb on another computer after you connect the hard drive. | 00:25 |
| * numzob is confused | 00:25 | |
| fsmithred | someone strayed off-topic momentarily | 00:25 |
| fsmithred | then you can install to the hard drive | 00:25 |
| Anonical_juju | I did not think of that but... this way is still better if I can get it to work | 00:26 |
| fsmithred | if you want to do that, I think there's a specific hard disk image you should use. I'd have to look at it to get the name right. | 00:27 |
| Anonical_juju | I'm happy with the server CDs | 00:29 |
| Anonical_juju | hmm... it's hanging on the install screen atm | 00:29 |
| fsmithred | yeah, but they are designed to install to a disk that is not the one they are on | 00:30 |
| Anonical_juju | yes I have burned two CDs and am using the optical drive | 00:30 |
| Anonical_juju | but, trying to unplug the hard drive and then hot swap it in again is making the installer fall on it's face | 00:31 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that doesn't make sense to me. | 00:31 |
| Anonical_juju | all you need to know is that it's worked and I've got the installer back | 00:34 |
| Anonical_juju | will repartition | 00:35 |
| Anonical_juju | I forgot to plug in some dumb USB controller... will the drivers sting me later? it should just be PnP | 00:35 |
| fsmithred | I think you'll be ok. Most of that stuff is in the kernel. | 00:36 |
| Anonical_juju | I'm going to set it up properly this time I think. I shouldn't be back on IRC until it's through a new OS | 00:38 |
| Anonical_juju | see all of you in a bit, and thanks for the input on it | 00:39 |
| gour | morning | 07:31 |
| gour | yesterday i installed devuan on my spare (netbook) machine to test it out, but installer did not create splash-screen for boot loader. then, for the sake of testing installed mxlinux on the same machine, but it's not my taste and now would like to re-install devuan, so wonder if installe can automatically create grub splash screen? | 07:33 |
| golinux | gour: It depends how you install. Did you install a desktop? | 07:51 |
| golinux | You will get a nice splash screen automatically with a default Xfce install | 07:53 |
| golinux | The beowulf grub splash looks like this: https://dev1galaxy.org/files/isolinux-FINAL.png | 07:57 |
| golinux | or this https://dev1galaxy.org/files/grub-final.png | 07:57 |
| gour | golinux: thanks. maybe i used netinstall image | 08:07 |
| golinux | Install desktop-base to get the theme | 08:15 |
| gour | when i'd like to put devuan on my main desktop machine i wonder if it could be possible to migrate from sid to ceres or it's better to do fresh install? | 08:19 |
| golinux | Sid is ceres | 08:32 |
| golinux | But you need to use ceres is sources to avoid banned systemd packages | 08:33 |
| gour | yeah, but i'm thinking to migrate from debian's sid to devuan's ceres...doable or better to do fresh install? | 08:33 |
| golinux | There is no media for ceres. You will have to install Beowulf, then up[grade to Chimarea by changing sources.list then again change to ceres | 08:34 |
| golinux | Beowulf is our current stable release so you'll have to start there. | 08:36 |
| golinux | There are threads in the dev1galaxy.org fourm that might be helpful. | 08:36 |
| gour | that's clear. i just wonder if it is feasible to turn debian's sid into devuan's ceres by just changing sources.list to 'ceres' ? | 08:37 |
| golinux | Nothing to lose since you were thinking of reinstalling | 08:37 |
| gour | like the docs https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/buster-to-beowulf mentioning migration to 'stable' ? | 08:37 |
| gour | well, migration could save me lot of time... :-) | 08:38 |
| golinux | I am not that adventurous so have no personal experience. | 08:38 |
| golinux | Yes, it is possible to do that. Also read the release notes for a few gottchas | 08:39 |
| gour | ok. will as on the forum as well | 08:40 |
| golinux | All good resources. | 08:40 |
| golinux | Welcome to Devuan! | 08:41 |
| gour | golinux: thanks!! i'ts not so tough choice - i have a need for some 3rd party closed pkgs (eID) and using Debian is pretty safe option for that as well as for diversity of pkgs and Devuan seems the best choice for xfce+simplicity of non-systemd OD :-D | 08:43 |
| golinux | See you around. I am currently up to my eyeballs theming the Chimaera desktop. | 08:46 |
| golinux | Interestingly enough just finished doing the grub splash | 08:46 |
| golinux | ttyl | 08:46 |
| gour | do you recommend (default) sysvinit? | 08:48 |
| debdog | support wise prolly the best option since most of us are familiar with it | 08:51 |
| debdog | performance/handling etc. wise, IDK | 08:52 |
| gour | debdog: ok, thanks. it's not something carved in stone, there will be a way to 'upgrade' if there is a need | 08:56 |
| gour | hmm, just did another install on my netbook using devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_amd64-desktop.iso image, but, again, no boot splash, but ugly txt mode screen? | 09:02 |
| golinux | gour: you need to start with disk 1. Please read the descriptions here: https://www.devuan.org/get-devuan | 09:05 |
| golinux | Or did you use the DVD? | 09:05 |
| gour | DVD - 3.8G image | 09:06 |
| golinux | Did you try to install desktop-base? | 09:07 |
| golinux | That "should" fix the theming | 09:07 |
| golinux | Some things may have been left out because of size constraints | 09:08 |
| golinux | Do you not have an internet connection to do a net install? | 09:09 |
| golinux | It's getting late here and I'm a little fuzzy. | 09:09 |
| gour | golinux: which one is desktop-base? i see desktop-live and desktop mentioned? | 09:09 |
| golinux | It is a pkg in the repo | 09:09 |
| gour | yes, i've internet connection | 09:09 |
| golinux | apt-get install desktop-base | 09:10 |
| golinux | There are several ways to get a desktop. | 09:11 |
| gour | ahh, got it...let me try | 09:11 |
| golinux | The desktop live uses the refractainstaller | 09:11 |
| gour | but it says that desktop-base is already installed | 09:12 |
| gour | the other day i tried desktop-live, but it didn't have xfs option, one has to manually install, but despite of that, installer was not offering xfs as a choice | 09:13 |
| golinux | This is interesting. I actually just had this issue trying to put the chimaera splash in my beowulf install and I keep getting the curses grub. | 09:13 |
| gour | good i'm not the only one :-) | 09:14 |
| * gour is updating to ceres | 09:14 | |
| golinux | But I installed the VM from the mini.iso and it's a bit of a mess | 09:14 |
| golinux | I only use it for testing theming. In fact I can ever remember having a splash on the VM | 09:15 |
| golinux | can't | 09:15 |
| golinux | So I went to the ascii VM and got a nice screenshot of it. | 09:15 |
| golinux | https://dev1galaxy.org/files/deepsea-grub.png | 09:17 |
| golinux | That how chimaera will look. | 09:18 |
| gour | very nice | 09:18 |
| golinux | Thanks. | 09:19 |
| golinux | This is why those colors - the Deep Sea Chimaera https://dev1galaxy.org/files/chimaera2.jpg | 09:19 |
| golinux | Hope your move to ceres goes well. | 09:21 |
| gour | yes, update to ceres went ok | 09:36 |
| Joril | gour: if by "ugly txt mode screen" you mean the messages about the starting services, it's because Plymouth is still unsupported on Devuan | 09:41 |
| gour | Joril: no, i mean 'ncurses" grub splash instead of nice graphic as shown by golinux | 09:51 |
| Joril | I see :) | 09:52 |
| throwthecheese | Does anybody know why PulseAudio doesn't start at login on my Beowulf installation? | 10:58 |
| throwthecheese | brb. Restarting my system to see if registering PulseAudio manually in XFCE autostart works | 11:03 |
| Joril | throwthecheese: see Beowulf release notes | 11:06 |
| onefang | Too late, they threw the cheese. | 11:09 |
| throwthecheese | Back. Adding PulseAudio manually did work | 11:10 |
| onefang | (2021-02-12 20:06:02) Joril: throwthecheese: see Beowulf release notes | 11:10 |
| onefang | That might help to. | 11:10 |
| kiwi9 | I'm confused as to how to set up a shutdown script for devuan (standard install). Is there documentation somewhere? | 12:36 |
| kiwi9 | Do you just follow standard sysvinit processes, putting your script in init.d and then sim linking it to rc0 and rc6? | 12:41 |
| fsmithred | man update-rc.d | 12:47 |
| fsmithred | same as debian used to be, so old documenttation will work | 12:48 |
| kiwi9 | ok. thanks | 12:48 |
| fsmithred | https://refracta.org/docs/debian-handbook-wheezy.pdf | 12:49 |
| fsmithred | ^^^ oldie but goodie | 12:49 |
| kiwi9 | Thanks @fsmithred. simlinks + "sudo update-rc.d saveramdisk start 0 6 ." did the trick | 13:09 |
| fsmithred | cool. Sounds important. | 13:10 |
| kiwi9 | only when you forget to do it | 13:12 |
| kiwi9 | :-D | 13:12 |
| fsmithred | GRUB_THEME=/usr/share/desktop-base/grub-themes/desktop-grub-theme/theme.txt | 18:16 |
| fsmithred | gour, make sure that line is in /etc/default/grub ^^^ | 18:16 |
| fsmithred | and it won't work if root is encrypted | 18:16 |
| Anonical_juju | hello again | 20:18 |
| Anonical_juju | I have question, question for you it is big question no doubt about it size of question it is | 20:19 |
| Anonical_juju | If I untick devuan desktop environment and tick MATE instead in the server CDs... | 20:19 |
| Anonical_juju | is all well and the sun shining outside or have I broke it and need to start again? | 20:20 |
| mason | Anonical_juju: It ought to work, and you should submit a bug if it doesn't. | 20:20 |
| mason | Anonical_juju: Another approach - the one I use - is to always start with a minimal install and just install whatever desktop environment or tools I want from there. | 20:20 |
| Anonical_juju | last time it panicked and died... I'm thinking I will play it safe | 20:21 |
| Anonical_juju | I can always strip it back afterwards I think | 20:21 |
| mason | Anonical_juju: Ooh, if you see a problem like that, please do report it, either in a bug or here or, ideally, both. | 20:22 |
| mason | We don't want that to happen to people. | 20:23 |
| Anonical_juju | I don't want to go through it again... idk make a note of it or something | 20:23 |
| Anonical_juju | for me the biggest hurdle to this is LVM partitioning, which threw me right off as a noob | 20:23 |
| Anonical_juju | I'm still not sure my partitions are set up very well... tmp is 80MB and outside of the LVM for some reason | 20:25 |
| debdog | 265M /tmp/ | 20:25 |
| Anonical_juju | I appreciate the ability to do this cool new stuff but for my friends dum dum and newuser it's going to startle them even more than me | 20:26 |
| Anonical_juju | I think they will use the live DVD and not the server ones... but I really want MATE by default | 20:27 |
| n4dir | the installer, as far i can tell, doesn't really differ, only if you have no network during installation | 20:28 |
| mason | Anonical_juju: You're better off letting the installer decide partitions for you, if you don't have specific reasons to deviate. | 20:29 |
| n4dir | and i assume you are sure you need lvm and you are sure the default partitioning for lvm is not your needs. | 20:29 |
| mason | Or do "all in one" as it's the simplest. | 20:29 |
| fsmithred | you probably should leave the desktop environment checked and just check the mate box | 20:30 |
| Anonical_juju | yeah I did that in the end | 20:30 |
| fsmithred | oh, if you already did it, don't worry | 20:31 |
| fsmithred | oops. I just replied to something in the scrollback. | 20:31 |
| n4dir | and still no one realized it ... | 20:31 |
| mason | fsmithred: Oh, it seemed close enough to the event to have been reasonable. :) | 20:31 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 20:32 |
| Anonical_juju | I have no idea about LVM, I just kinda copied the one devuan put there last time | 20:32 |
| Anonical_juju | except tmp is it's own primary drive and also very small | 20:32 |
| Anonical_juju | I guess I can't encrypt tmp | 20:32 |
| fsmithred | isn't it in the lvm? | 20:33 |
| fsmithred | oh nm | 20:33 |
| Anonical_juju | noo | 20:33 |
| mason | Anonical_juju: You could, but usually you have the whole LVM sitting on LUKS. | 20:33 |
| Anonical_juju | I needed to manually do partitioning because I'd already made a mess in the drive and needed to clean it up, because devuan ignored fsyms that didn't belong to it | 20:35 |
| fsmithred | it will, but you have to know exactly how to finess it. | 20:35 |
| fsmithred | and when you start doing lvm or encryption, it gets confusing | 20:35 |
| fsmithred | usually takes me at least a couple times to get it right if I haven't done it recently. | 20:36 |
| fsmithred | if you want /tmp encrypted, you could just move it to the root partition or some other that has room | 20:37 |
| Anonical_juju | I won't know how to do all that once it's installed | 20:38 |
| Anonical_juju | but now the dozen partitions I had are now a half dozen and they're very lean | 20:39 |
| mason | Using a tmpfs for /tmp is also a good idea. | 20:41 |
| Anonical_juju | oops | 20:42 |
| Anonical_juju | there is no UI | 20:42 |
| Anonical_juju | how do I launch something | 20:42 |
| Anonical_juju | I'm not sure there is any software installed on here | 20:43 |
| n4dir | well, what do you see? | 20:44 |
| n4dir | a TTY? | 20:44 |
| Anonical_juju | terminal log in entry | 20:44 |
| Anonical_juju | give me a command for some UI and I'll see what it does | 20:44 |
| n4dir | then there is software installed. :-) login and try "startx" | 20:44 |
| Anonical_juju | command not found | 20:44 |
| Anonical_juju | do I have headless devuan now? Can I fix it? | 20:45 |
| n4dir | then xorg ist not installed. | 20:45 |
| n4dir | You wanted "mate" ? | 20:45 |
| Anonical_juju | he's very unfriendly :( | 20:45 |
| Anonical_juju | apt-get xorg.. invalid operation xorg | 20:46 |
| n4dir | apt-get install xorg, but that will only install X, not desktop environment or window manager | 20:47 |
| Anonical_juju | it's a start | 20:47 |
| mason | Anonical_juju: You wanted MATE, yes? Try installing mate-desktop-environment | 20:48 |
| n4dir | there is either the mate task, same as during installation, or "mate-desktop-environment". | 20:48 |
| Anonical_juju | don't I still need fort? | 20:49 |
| Anonical_juju | xorg* | 20:49 |
| n4dir | should be a dependency of mate-desktop-environment | 20:49 |
| n4dir | so yes, you need it, but you will probably get it into the bargain if going for a DesktopEnvironment | 20:49 |
| Anonical_juju | ffffffuuu mate is 990MB | 20:50 |
| Anonical_juju | GNOME 2 my ass | 20:51 |
| gour | cd | 20:51 |
| mason | I run XDM and Openbox here. Pretty trim. | 20:51 |
| n4dir | xfce, back in the days, was like 180 MB. Not sure if that changed | 20:51 |
| Anonical_juju | well it's pulling me out of a jam, so I forgive it | 20:52 |
| gour | fsmithred: thank you. will try tomorrow. i had some problems installing devuan on my netbook using bios/gpt amd uefi install - both without separate /boot | 20:53 |
| n4dir | what i said might have been misleading: the ~1 Gig for mate-D-E doesn't sound unusual | 20:54 |
| Anonical_juju | I think I have a very barebones devuan install | 20:54 |
| Anonical_juju | it keeps saying KVM unknown in all this terminal gibberish | 20:55 |
| n4dir | do it might way: error messages i don't understand i just ignore :-) | 20:56 |
| Anonical_juju | right so... Xorg and mate-desktop-environment are done | 20:57 |
| Anonical_juju | it's looking better... | 20:57 |
| fsmithred | did you get a login manager? lightdm, slim, ? | 20:57 |
| n4dir | try "startx" again. I am a bit astonished mate-d-e didn't install a display manager and make it start automatically | 20:57 |
| xinomilo | apt install task-mate-desktop lightdm | 20:58 |
| Anonical_juju | all you have to do is let the server CD spin down by forgetting to hit "continue" for a while | 20:58 |
| Anonical_juju | then it throws an error saying that part of the install didn't work and to do it again | 20:59 |
| Anonical_juju | I ignored it and that got me here... leaning on the IRC to handhold me though has worked. startx lookin good | 21:00 |
| Anonical_juju | wifefi next | 21:00 |
| Anonical_juju | gonna grab wicd or something | 21:01 |
| Anonical_juju | eww there's python in this one | 21:02 |
| fsmithred | in wicd? Yes, and it dies after beowulf. | 21:02 |
| fsmithred | network-manager or connman are reasonable alternatives | 21:03 |
| Anonical_juju | righty woah | 21:03 |
| Anonical_juju | what's the command again for full remove? :) | 21:04 |
| fsmithred | apt purge wicd | 21:04 |
| fsmithred | you might still need to do 'apt autoremove' after that. It'll tell you. | 21:04 |
| Anonical_juju | missing package network-manager | 21:05 |
| n4dir | when i was worried about such i ran "aptitude purge ~c" and "deborphan --guess-all" every other day. Usualy purge seems to do the job though | 21:05 |
| fsmithred | are you installing with a network mirror? | 21:05 |
| Anonical_juju | no... maybe it's the wrong CD | 21:05 |
| fsmithred | it would ask for the right one if you had used it in the install | 21:06 |
| Anonical_juju | it can't find 'em | 21:06 |
| fsmithred | I don't know if it's on any CD | 21:07 |
| fsmithred | try connman | 21:07 |
| Anonical_juju | same with that | 21:07 |
| Anonical_juju | wicd it is after all... how do I launch it? | 21:07 |
| fsmithred | it should be running a service, and then you can run wicd-gtk on the desktop | 21:08 |
| fsmithred | or tell desktop that it's one of the startup apps | 21:08 |
| fsmithred | and it will be in the system tray | 21:08 |
| Anonical_juju | no networks found... | 21:09 |
| Anonical_juju | does it need something else? | 21:09 |
| Anonical_juju | the OS sees the hardware I think but apart from that there is nothing | 21:10 |
| fsmithred | lspci will show the hardware | 21:11 |
| fsmithred | you using wired connection or wireless? | 21:11 |
| Anonical_juju | I think it might need a restart with desktop being told that it's one of the startup apps | 21:11 |
| Anonical_juju | no connections yet, CD only | 21:12 |
| fsmithred | what about wires plugged into the computer? | 21:12 |
| Anonical_juju | I don't have LAN | 21:12 |
| fsmithred | are you surprised that no networks were found? | 21:13 |
| fsmithred | you asked if it needs something else. I'd say it needs a network to connect to. | 21:13 |
| Anonical_juju | well yes but, a wireless one | 21:14 |
| fsmithred | then you need to know if specific wireless firmware is needed | 21:14 |
| fsmithred | that depends on the hardware | 21:14 |
| Anonical_juju | some Realtek RTmodel whatever | 21:15 |
| fsmithred | if you say what wireless chipset you have, we can tell you which package to install | 21:15 |
| fsmithred | probably firmware-realtek | 21:15 |
| fsmithred | it's in the /firmware directory on the CD | 21:15 |
| fsmithred | but apt should ask you to insert the CD if you try to install it | 21:15 |
| Anonical_juju | right | 21:16 |
| Anonical_juju | gonna restart and see what it did | 21:18 |
| Anonical_juju | still no networks | 21:20 |
| fsmithred | do you know that there are wireless networks nearby? | 21:20 |
| Anonical_juju | yes... | 21:20 |
| fsmithred | lsmod |grep rtl | 21:20 |
| fsmithred | or grep realtek | 21:20 |
| fsmithred | ip a | 21:21 |
| fsmithred | make sure you know the name of the wirless device. Might be wlan0 or might be something else. | 21:21 |
| fsmithred | and then look in wicd preferences to see that the default wireles device is named correctly | 21:21 |
| Anonical_juju | RTL8187 45056 0 | 21:21 |
| Anonical_juju | it is saying the wrong thing in wicd | 21:22 |
| Anonical_juju | still nothing with that | 21:24 |
| fsmithred | what did you put in there? | 21:25 |
| Anonical_juju | RTL8187 | 21:25 |
| fsmithred | nope | 21:25 |
| fsmithred | that's the hardware chipset | 21:25 |
| fsmithred | you need the device name | 21:25 |
| fsmithred | look at output of 'ip a' | 21:25 |
| fsmithred | eth0 blahblah | 21:25 |
| fsmithred | wlan0 (maybe) blahblah | 21:25 |
| fsmithred | wlx840q97501234-731268 (maybe) | 21:26 |
| Anonical_juju | yeah, I deleted all that I'll put it back | 21:26 |
| Anonical_juju | it's back in there... it's still got no connections though | 21:27 |
| Anonical_juju | I think I will try to fix it in half an hour, gotta eat something | 21:31 |
| Anonical_juju | thanks for the help fsmithred I'll be back to pester about it soon | 21:32 |
| Anonical_juju | no wife fi still | 22:02 |
| fluffywolf | have you tried buying it flowers? | 22:02 |
| Anonical_juju | well I gave her a mini-PCI bouquet | 22:03 |
| Anonical_juju | unable to locate package network-manager or connman or leafpad | 22:04 |
| Anonical_juju | it's NoFunAllowed™ | 22:05 |
| n4dir | pluma is the text editor of mate | 22:07 |
| Anonical_juju | I want to call it leafpad | 22:08 |
| Anonical_juju | I used lxde and got used to it | 22:08 |
| Anonical_juju | hey look at that it's under 3GB | 22:10 |
| Anonical_juju | pretty good for a modern OS | 22:10 |
| n4dir | did you run apt-get clean yet? | 22:10 |
| n4dir | assuming you want to go lower | 22:10 |
| Anonical_juju | it does nothing | 22:11 |
| n4dir | run df -ahl again | 22:11 |
| n4dir | either it changed or it didn't. | 22:11 |
| Anonical_juju | this reports even more space is used | 22:12 |
| n4dir | ha ha. sorry then | 22:13 |
| Anonical_juju | wait no, it says dev/mapper/LVM-root is 2.5G | 22:13 |
| n4dir | aha. | 22:13 |
| n4dir | right after installation apt-get clean ; can give you quite some free space | 22:13 |
| Anonical_juju | usr/share is 2.2G | 22:15 |
| Anonical_juju | I mean 1.3G... sorry | 22:15 |
| Anonical_juju | they're all mate icon packs | 22:16 |
| RamboCommando | Hello, I just installed Devuan and I cannot update from the repositories. I've tried looking it up in Debian support sites and I cannot find the answer. It keeps telling me that it cannot update from the InRelease. | 22:57 |
| rrq | check that /etc/apt/sources.list looks fine and that there are no /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* | 23:16 |
| rrq | here is a good point to start: https://www.devuan.org | 23:18 |
| rrq | and here, specifically: https://www.devuan.org/os/packages | 23:19 |
| gnarface | gone already, unfortunately | 23:22 |
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