e3d3 | 2 questions: 1) synaptic package manager gives error messages (https://pastebin.com/CmngvCzC), if I understand well because the post-install script of linux-image-amd64 can't find grub, that is indeed installed on another distro. How can I get rid of this error messages ? | 09:30 |
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e3d3 | 2) What is the best way to transfer this system to a new sata hard disk ? | 09:31 |
e3d3 | Current disk is bad aligned so I thought about coping it to a new/formated disk. | 09:33 |
e3d3 | it = Devuan | 09:33 |
e3d3 | For now Devuan will be the only distro on the new disk so it needs grub again. Maybe I can solve both isues at the same time ? | 09:36 |
furrymcgee | grub, that is indeed installed on another distro? | 09:48 |
e3d3 | yes, grub is managed by another distro | 09:50 |
xinomilo | copy devuan to new disk, chroot/boot devuan from a live usb, and install grub to the new hdd | 09:52 |
e3d3 | what copy method do you advise ? | 09:53 |
e3d3 | dd, cp, rsync ?? I normally only use cp :) | 09:54 |
xinomilo | i use clonezilla but usually copy disk2disk, not partition2disk | 09:54 |
xinomilo | sometimes a new install is faster, and you can just copy /home over.. :) | 09:55 |
e3d3 | maybe the last is indeed the easiest, specially because I've made a snapshot just before or after the update | 09:56 |
e3d3 | and if I remember well the Devuan install was easy peasy | 09:56 |
e3d3 | and if I remember well clonezilla has a lot of required documentation | 09:58 |
e3d3 | xinomilo: Think I going to install from the snapshot and copy /home. Thanks for your answer. | 10:05 |
furrymcgee | tar cC /mnt/old . | tar xC /mnt/new | 10:05 |
e3d3 | thanks, but I need some time to decode tar commands. tar --help is >300 lines. | 10:10 |
e3d3 | https://xkcd.com/1168/ | 10:10 |
e3d3 | I have ^^^ this cartoon above my desk but still learn more tar usage than 'tar cfvz', that is; tar-zip stuff | 10:14 |
e3d3 | ... but still have NOT learned more | 10:14 |
e3d3 | thanks all for helping, and sharing the more than nice Devuan. Think I'll manage from here. | 10:21 |
sixwheeledbeast | I always look at that too logically and think why wouldn't you just "tar --help" :) | 10:30 |
adilix | hi all | 14:17 |
adilix | can someone explain me how to install devuan , when i need a firmware? i cant install it without the rtxx.bin firmware, tried both isos the server cd1 and the network iso | 14:18 |
fsmithred | adilix, did you try ignoring that first question about firmware and proceeding? I think you need firmware-realtek which is included in all the isos. | 14:47 |
bru | adilix: What version of Devuan are you trying to install? Because according to https://www.devuan.org/os/install , "Non-free firmware packages are available on all Beowulf install media." | 14:47 |
bru | It could be that Jessie/ASCII installers don't have the packages you need | 14:48 |
adilix | i use the latest version 3.1 | 14:58 |
adilix | if i remeber right i was running in a loop, but let me try to install it again | 15:04 |
adilix | so.... i am now on Detect hardware where it says Some of your Hardware needs non-free firmware..... in my case it the rt2860.bin , i confirm now with yes | 15:33 |
fsmithred | NO | 15:33 |
adilix | aaaa | 15:34 |
fsmithred | you're still early in the install, right? | 15:34 |
fsmithred | skip that | 15:34 |
adilix | yes | 15:34 |
adilix | ok | 15:34 |
fsmithred | did you choose expert or regular install? | 15:34 |
adilix | ok now i am on the selection between eth0 and wlan0 | 15:35 |
adilix | regular install | 15:35 |
fsmithred | if regular, the firmware should be installed automatically. If expert, you'll be asked if you want non-free. | 15:35 |
adilix | i will choose now wlan0 as my default network interface | 15:35 |
fsmithred | if you're going to choose a mirror, choose the interface you want to use. | 15:35 |
fsmithred | ok, but eth is faster downloads if you're using a mirror. | 15:36 |
adilix | the problem is when i add my essid and password i run into a loop and i get asked again and again, because i get Attempting to find an available wireless network failed, so i believe there are no drivers for the card | 15:37 |
xinomilo | ...or firmware bug or card issue... | 15:38 |
fsmithred | sometimes the module needs to be reloaded | 15:39 |
fsmithred | I think I've seen that with rtl | 15:39 |
adilix | its more firmware bug , card is working flawlessly with an other linux installed on the machine | 15:39 |
xinomilo | if you see wifi networks it's working.. maybe you need newer firmware | 15:39 |
adilix | my other laptops and this one i try to install devuan are getting ip from wy virtoual router | 15:40 |
fsmithred | are you installing in a VM? | 15:41 |
adilix | i am not sure... it looks like the firmware doesnt gets loaded or so | 15:41 |
adilix | no , on laptop asus eeepc 901 | 15:41 |
fsmithred | alt-F4 should give you a console with output | 15:41 |
fsmithred | alt-F1 to return | 15:42 |
adilix | aha we got it there is a problem with the firmware | 15:42 |
adilix | kernel: [ 463.542661 ] rt2800pci 0000:01:00.0: Direct firmware load for rt2860.bin failed with error -2 | 15:43 |
adilix | and what now? | 15:44 |
adilix | should i go for 3.0 beowulf ntwrok installer | 15:45 |
fsmithred | go for install without network and add the firmware after | 15:46 |
fsmithred | if apt can't find it on the media, you can still get to it manually - it's in /firmware | 15:46 |
fsmithred | apt install firmware-realtek | 15:47 |
fsmithred | ^^^ after reboot into new system | 15:47 |
fsmithred | do you know for a fact that the 3.0 isos work on this machine? | 15:48 |
adilix | wou mean i should download the cd1 server cd | 15:48 |
adilix | i dont know | 15:48 |
xinomilo | i think firmware-ralink | 15:48 |
xinomilo | https://wiki.debian.org/rt2800pci | 15:49 |
fsmithred | oh, maybe. | 15:49 |
adilix | do you think it will work ? i think it would be the same thing if i install the firmware afterwards | 15:50 |
fsmithred | yeah, I think you have a better chance. Other option is to force the hardware detect again. | 15:57 |
fsmithred | that's a little trickier, especially since I don't remember the files you need to delete. | 15:57 |
fsmithred | is using a network cable an option? That would be faster. | 15:58 |
adilix | yeah i have cable option, but i need the wlan later on when i am going out and so on | 15:59 |
fsmithred | you will be able to install it later | 16:00 |
adilix | ok, just downloading the server cd | 16:03 |
fsmithred | I thought you had it already | 16:09 |
fsmithred | any of the installer isos will do a netinstall | 16:09 |
adilix | good to know, but i had the netinstall atm here | 16:11 |
adilix | where can i download the firmware package, any repo link? | 17:28 |
adilix | can someone send me this one https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/package-query.html?c=package&q=firmware-ralink=20190114-2 | 17:56 |
adilix | i cant download it | 17:56 |
golinux | adilix: Try pkgmaster.devuan.org | 17:57 |
adilix | hmmm no firmware-ralink https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/f/ | 18:04 |
adilix | can i use the package from debian | 18:07 |
golinux | It would be in non-free | 18:16 |
adilix | there iks no such folder | 18:31 |
adilix | normally it should be in pool/main/non-free like in debian | 18:32 |
plasma41 | adilix: non-free is not a subset of main, but rather a neighp | 18:33 |
plasma41 | adilix: non-free is not a subset of main, but rather a neighbor set of main along with contrib | 18:33 |
* plasma41 grumbles something about "keyboard layouts" | 18:34 | |
adilix | i need to download the package | 18:35 |
adilix | like so http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/?C=S;O=A can i download it from this sit | 18:36 |
adilix | are these correct settings? | 18:48 |
adilix | https://www.devuan.org/os/packages | 18:48 |
golinux | Yes but take note of this after the examples: | 18:53 |
golinux | Note that all software shipped with Devuan in the main component is free software. But if needed, non-free software is also available. Just add the non-free and contrib components to the appropriate line(s) in /etc/apt/sources.list like this: | 18:53 |
golinux | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf main non-free contrib | 18:53 |
tuxd3v | adilix, what is your device? | 19:16 |
adilix | all ok thx, finally i got the network to work (cable) | 19:43 |
adilix | but when i try to install firmware-ralink i get Unable to locate package .... | 19:44 |
adilix | got it | 19:46 |
mes | does anyone know of a list of mirrors for apt? | 23:05 |
plasma41 | mes: see https://www.devuan.org/get-devuan | 23:06 |
onefang | That's the ISO mirrors, for apt package mirrors - https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt | 23:07 |
mes | I did see the get-devuan page but onefang is right most at least are iso mirrors | 23:09 |
mes | berkeley.edu is 35ms, but mirror is empty | 23:11 |
onefang | Yes, they have been very slack on actually getting it set up. | 23:12 |
onefang | And I've been very slack on getting people to fix their mirrors. lol | 23:13 |
fsmithred | package mirror list is on pkgmaster.devuan.org | 23:13 |
fsmithred | mirrors.txt pretty sure | 23:13 |
onefang | I said that already fsmithred, B-) | 23:14 |
fsmithred | sorry, I just got done spending a couple hours getting windows xp and samba to cooperate with the printer | 23:14 |
fsmithred | feeling shell-shocked | 23:14 |
onefang | Yeah, that'll kill brain cells. No worries. | 23:15 |
mes | looks like dev.beard.ly is only one on this side of the Atlantic, (or Pacific) | 23:16 |
fsmithred | if you're in the eastern half, some of the euro mirrors are fast | 23:17 |
onefang | I think there is South American mirrors from memory. | 23:17 |
mes | Shit, dev.beard.ly is only 90ms but I get "InRelease is expired (invalid since 27d 18h 37min 52s)" | 23:22 |
onefang | They are slightly less slack than berkeley.edu. | 23:25 |
mes | I'm on Vancouver Island where I'm doing the build out. Instance will ultimately go to a linode in Cali. Anyone have a suggestion in europe? | 23:26 |
onefang | devuan.c3sl.ufpr.br is in Brazil, sledjhamr.org in Netherlands (my own server) is always good. | 23:27 |
onefang | devuan.c3sl.ufpr.br is in the middle of updating right now though. | 23:27 |
mes | I should ask if linode would be willing to host a mirror. | 23:28 |
onefang | That would be cool. | 23:28 |
mes | It isn't a prebuilt option right now, but I wouldn't be surprised if it got used if it were. | 23:29 |
fsmithred | ungliech.ch ? is pretty fast | 23:30 |
fsmithred | sledj rulz | 23:31 |
onefang | Brazil is closer to Vancouver, so might have less ping time. | 23:32 |
* onefang smiles at fsmithred's endorsement. | 23:32 | |
mes | for me sledjhamr.org is 160 - 260 ms, same for mirror.ungleich.ch | 23:33 |
mes | devuan.c3sl.ufpr.br is slower, I bet it is actually farther away as the plane flies and who knows where the cables run | 23:36 |
onefang | Sledjhamr.org is in Iron Mountain in Amsterdam, very well located for Internet. | 23:37 |
mes | sledjhamr.org it is, much faster than the default | 23:46 |
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