| mason | Is this a thing currently? My kid's machine has the most vanilla install we've got and it won't boot after the latest update. | 01:08 |
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| mason | I'm whipping up some rescue media for it now. | 01:08 |
| gnarface | mason: is it looking in EFI/something instead of efi/something for the efi firmware? | 01:28 |
| fsmithred | mason: get rid of grub-efi-amd64-signed | 01:32 |
| mason | gnarface, fsmithred: Yar, when I saw that in scrollback I figured it had to be related, and indeed it let me generate a valid grub config. | 01:38 |
| mason | gnarface: I didn't look in detail, but I'll probably see the same thing on other systems. | 01:38 |
| mason | So I'm sure I'll get a chance to explore. | 01:38 |
| fsmithred | I don't know what changed, but grub has been screwing with me for about a year | 01:39 |
| golinux | There is a thread on dng about this iirc | 01:40 |
| mason | I'm not at all a fan of GRUB. It's buggy and convoluted for what it does. | 01:40 |
| mason | golinux: ty | 01:40 |
| fsmithred | still waiting for OP to give more info. | 01:40 |
| fsmithred | he claims to have grub-pc installed | 01:40 |
| mason | He might but it wouldn't be the active one. | 01:40 |
| fsmithred | can't have both. (only the -bin packages) | 01:41 |
| mason | When did this start, OOC? My workstation has both but it's been up three days now. | 01:48 |
| mason | I'll assume it'll hit this on next reboot and I'll see what I can figure out. | 01:49 |
| fsmithred | deb10u4 is pretty new | 01:49 |
| fsmithred | you have both grub-pc and grub-efi-amd64 installed? | 01:50 |
| mason | Oh, I'm on 10u3. | 01:50 |
| mason | PErfect. I can catch it in the act and see what it's doing wrong. Thank you. | 01:50 |
| mason | bbiab, dinner | 01:50 |
| fsmithred | me too soon | 01:50 |
| mason | fsmithred: So, the new package doesn't universally hose systems. I haven't identified the difference yet. | 04:38 |
| mason | I don't see anything in my workstation that's in the critical path that looks broken after update. REbooting and we'll see I gues.s | 04:39 |
| fsmithred | echo $prefix | 04:40 |
| fsmithred | at grub command line | 04:40 |
| mason | fsmithred: Oh, it's a known thing? So far two of my boxes (including my workstation) see no issue, but one of my daughters' computers did. | 04:41 |
| fsmithred | somewhat known | 04:42 |
| onefang | Is the issue in finding the correct EFI folder? | 04:42 |
| fsmithred | possibly | 04:42 |
| onefang | Different BIOSes have different standards and workarounds for that. | 04:42 |
| fsmithred | that has been an issue in the past | 04:42 |
| fsmithred | standards? | 04:42 |
| mason | There's the fallback naming. | 04:43 |
| fsmithred | you mean different ways of screwing up uefi | 04:43 |
| onefang | There are standards, for what EFD folders to look in, there are some BIOSes that look in non standard places, mostly well known places. | 04:43 |
| mason | Do we think the error is in the bootvar, or in grub config? | 04:44 |
| onefang | Er EFD = EFI | 04:44 |
| fsmithred | the signed grub package expects to see EFI/debian | 04:44 |
| onefang | But is the EFI BIOS finding grub? | 04:44 |
| fsmithred | yeah, it's not finding grub.cfg, so no menu. | 04:45 |
| fsmithred | just grub prompt | 04:45 |
| mason | That exactly. GRUB, no config. | 04:45 |
| onefang | Ah, ignore what I just said then. That's not the problem. | 04:45 |
| mason | So that sounds a bit like a problem with the binary itself./ | 04:45 |
| mason | I'll have to boot up the kid's computer and see if it's EFI/devuan or EFI/debian | 04:46 |
| mason | It's one of the rare boxes here that just had a normal (non-ZFS, so using the installer) install. | 04:46 |
| fsmithred | if it's EFI/devuan and not booting, one fix might be: | 04:46 |
| fsmithred | grub-install --bootloader-id=debian | 04:46 |
| mason | Hrm, even my hand installs set up EFI/debian | 04:47 |
| fsmithred | I'll go see if I can get the answer in a dream | 04:47 |
| mason | Good plan! G'night. | 04:47 |
| fsmithred | bye | 04:47 |
| tuxd3v | fsmithred, cya | 04:48 |
| knoppix | Hello everybody. I am new here. I want to install devuan beside mxlinux so i can try it and switch to Devuakn in future. I have 230Gb partition allocated. But, I am confused how tost it up for Devuan. Can someone guide me please? | 06:00 |
| knoppix | ? | 06:01 |
| onefang | Did you mean "how to set it up for Devuan"? | 06:02 |
| knoppix | Hi there. Yes, I want to install devuan on separate partition. | 06:02 |
| knoppix | (Dual-boot) | 06:02 |
| onefang | The 230GB partition you mentioned is the one you want to put Devuan on? | 06:03 |
| knoppix | Yes | 06:03 |
| Xenguy | Minimal system with a desktop? | 06:03 |
| knoppix | Full Devuan system | 06:03 |
| onefang | Wait around for the others to help you, I haven't done this myself. | 06:03 |
| knoppix | Oh :( | 06:03 |
| onefang | I was just making sure your question was understandable. Xenguy might help. | 06:04 |
| knoppix | I tried to install it, but there are so many options which confused me | 06:04 |
| Xenguy | You can never really count on that guy | 06:04 |
| onefang | IRC support channels are like that. You ask your question, you wait for someone to get around to answering it. We are world wide, we might be busy else where right now. | 06:05 |
| knoppix | Oh, maybe we can wotk it out. I have done dual-boot install before but Devuan has confusing options | 06:05 |
| Xenguy | knoppix: What I usually do is install a minimal system with a desktop, and then add any software needed after that | 06:05 |
| Xenguy | knoppix: Any specific points of confusion? | 06:06 |
| * onefang goes back to working on my virtual boat. | 06:06 | |
| knoppix | Minimal or full should make no difference. It is the dual boot where I have to do 'manual partition'. I have it ready but Devual gives so many options that confuse me. | 06:07 |
| Xenguy | I see, so it's partitioning woes then, right | 06:07 |
| knoppix | Thanks for chatting and hleping Xenguy :) Yes, when I get to manual partition dialogue there are many options which I cant figure out. I just want to install Devuan on the 230Gb partition, /home and all. | 06:08 |
| knoppix | Yes. I have used gparted to set up the ext4 230Gb partition no problems. | 06:09 |
| knoppix | xenguy, BTW, wgere are you? I am in the land down under :) | 06:10 |
| Xenguy | Huh, I'm not familiar enough with the install sequence to be of much help, but if you run virtual machines, maybe you could just run the available options? Dunno | 06:10 |
| knoppix | Meh | 06:10 |
| Xenguy | A world away | 06:10 |
| knoppix | Perhaps you are Zhonggouren? :) | 06:11 |
| knoppix | Chinese | 06:11 |
| Xenguy | Harry Dean Stanton: "I am nothing" | 06:11 |
| onefang | I come from the land down under. BrisVegas. lol | 06:12 |
| knoppix | Xen and Fang is Chinese, hence my query | 06:12 |
| knoppix | I am Aussie | 06:13 |
| Xenguy | Chinese? What's the translation? | 06:13 |
| knoppix | Zhing Guo | 06:13 |
| Xenguy | hah | 06:13 |
| knoppix | Oops....Zhong Guo | 06:13 |
| Xenguy | My Mandarin is a little rusty | 06:14 |
| knoppix | But I been to China many times before so learned some travel language :) | 06:14 |
| knoppix | Aha, I thought so. Hehe | 06:14 |
| Xenguy | Oh damn, we're OT, my bad | 06:15 |
| onefang | Fang meaning tooth isn't Chinese, but this is all off topic, which is why we have #devuan-offtopic. B-) | 06:15 |
| Xenguy | yep | 06:15 |
| knoppix | Yes, back to installing | 06:15 |
| knoppix | Cant see any tuttes on Youtube either. They are all full install using whole disc | 06:16 |
| knoppix | tutes | 06:16 |
| knoppix | Mmm. I may have to go ahead and try and see what happens. i can alwaysclear the partition and try another option. But, it will be time consumiong. Wish Devaul devs had some decent tutes on this with screen shots. Other distros are MUCH easier!! | 06:18 |
| onefang | I think the person that wrote the installer is asleep at the moment. | 06:18 |
| knoppix | (I been using mxlinux for years, so I am spoiled) | 06:18 |
| knoppix | Oh, I think he was alseep when he developed the install scripts! He should have taken note of other distros like mxlinux, mint, etc which make it a cinch to install. | 06:19 |
| golinux | knoppix: https://www.devuan.org/os/install | 06:20 |
| knoppix | Thnx gLinux. Will check it out now. Hang around though :) | 06:20 |
| golinux | There are even options whith screenshots | 06:20 |
| knoppix | Looking now . . . . | 06:20 |
| knoppix | Mmm, not very clear, but I will try it as they recommend. But first, I must save ALL of my MX Linux data, in case Devuan takes over ALL partitions on my whole HDD! | 06:29 |
| golinux | What installer are you going to use | 06:29 |
| golinux | ? | 06:29 |
| Xenguy | What are you talking about? Just back up your stuff, and get on with it | 06:29 |
| knoppix | I have the DVD with full Devuan | 06:29 |
| knoppix | Init will choose sysv... | 06:30 |
| knoppix | ok, ok xenguy. Going now. | 06:30 |
| golinux | Backup is always a good isea. | 06:30 |
| golinux | idea | 06:31 |
| knoppix | Thnx for the link golinux | 06:31 |
| knoppix | See you guys later with feedback - good I hope :) | 06:31 |
| golinux | YW. Did you see the iso descriptions on this page? https://www.devuan.org/get-devuan | 06:31 |
| Xenguy | Good luck | 06:31 |
| golinux | Indeed. I'll probably be in bed by the time you get back. | 06:32 |
| knoppix | Yes, that is why I downloaded desktop (4 GB): Use this DVD so I could keep a copy here | 06:32 |
| Xenguy | Sounds like you're good to go | 06:33 |
| knoppix | Time will tell. Back later guys. Seeya | 06:34 |
| knoppix | And thans | 06:34 |
| knoppix | thnx | 06:34 |
| Xenguy | Cheers | 06:34 |
| FatPhil | having a spot of bother installing 3.1 on a Lenovo - I think I messed up my LVM config, grub enters rescue mode | 12:31 |
| FatPhil | laptop's an X250, I set the secure boot to off, and Legacy only boot mode. To be honest, all the boot menus on that thing are a confusing mare. | 12:33 |
| FatPhil | Initially I tried to install LILO, as I'm old-school, but that failed with a meaningless message, so I just thought I'd fall back on grub. | 12:34 |
| FatPhil | gonna do a complete re-install, and do it less customised this time. | 12:35 |
| FatPhil | g/f theoretically has the same laptop, and lilo did work on hers. | 12:41 |
| fsmithred | FatPhil, before you do full reinstall, try removing grub...signed | 12:41 |
| fsmithred | grub-efi-amd64-signed | 12:41 |
| FatPhil | too late, already at the partitioning stage... | 12:41 |
| fsmithred | then update-grub | 12:41 |
| fsmithred | oh | 12:42 |
| FatPhil | I know I got *very* confused in the LVM stage on the initial install - likely of PEBCAK ~99.99% | 12:42 |
| fsmithred | me too, every time I do it | 12:42 |
| FatPhil | I did a quick rescue attempt, with a 'reistall grub', and it changed nothing | 12:43 |
| fsmithred | right. new grub has some new feature maybe | 12:43 |
| fsmithred | this just started a couple days ago | 12:43 |
| FatPhil | just gonna align with g/f to try to get same theoretical config as her, and then I'll try again. Gonna go for LILO this time, as it works for her on hers. | 12:44 |
| fsmithred | that should work. I don't remember how to do lilo. | 12:45 |
| fsmithred | FatPhil, are you booting legacy bios or uefi? | 12:47 |
| FatPhil | Legacy only | 12:47 |
| fsmithred | hm | 12:48 |
| fsmithred | so no grub-efi was installed? | 12:48 |
| FatPhil | not knowingly | 12:50 |
| FatPhil | done guided LVM, var/home/tmp separate. installing base system... | 12:51 |
| fsmithred | partition sizes are ok? | 12:51 |
| FatPhil | no, terrible | 12:51 |
| FatPhil | :) | 12:51 |
| fsmithred | lol, I have never liked the results of guided partitioning | 12:51 |
| FatPhil | But that was one of the things I customised 1st time round, and that's where all the mistakes were made. | 12:51 |
| fsmithred | well, except when I tell it to put everything in one | 12:52 |
| FatPhil | I will symlink my way out of any idiocy after it's running properly. | 12:52 |
| fsmithred | ouch | 12:52 |
| fsmithred | manual parititioning for lvm and/or encrypted is a maze | 12:53 |
| fsmithred | almost easier to do it on command line | 12:53 |
| FatPhil | tell me about it! | 12:53 |
| fsmithred | I made a screen capture video of making a single encrypted partition, and it took me four attempts to get it right. | 12:54 |
| FatPhil | and you're no newb | 12:55 |
| FatPhil | I've been using debian for 20 years, and this is one part of the installer that's not improved over time. | 12:56 |
| fsmithred | lol, true | 12:56 |
| FatPhil | selecting init system... | 12:57 |
| FatPhil | systemd | 12:57 |
| FatPhil | muahhaha, you've got to laugh | 12:57 |
| fsmithred | oh, that's on a different disk | 12:57 |
| fsmithred | I could get you the link if you want, but it's somewhere at debian.org | 12:57 |
| FatPhil | OK, now at the bootloader selection stage. LILO... | 12:57 |
| fsmithred | I'm gonna upgrade my grub-pc and see if it breaks | 12:58 |
| fsmithred | will be gone for I hope only a short time | 12:58 |
| FatPhil | will it make any difference if I chose /dev/sda vs. /dev/sda1? | 12:58 |
| FatPhil | I generally always use sda, but that's where grub didn't work. | 12:58 |
| fsmithred | not sure for lilo | 12:59 |
| fsmithred | generally legacy bios wants to use mbr | 13:00 |
| FatPhil | the reason I'm installing devuan today on a lappy is that my old EEEPc finally died - that was the final machine I own that had debian on it. After today, I'll be 100% devuan, I think. | 13:00 |
| fsmithred | grub normally works with sda better than sda1 | 13:00 |
| fsmithred | sorry for your loss | 13:00 |
| fsmithred | brb | 13:01 |
| FatPhil | weird. g/f's lilo.conf has a boot=dev/disk/by-id/..., but that does seem to refer to sda, so I'll go with that | 13:09 |
| FatPhil | lilo installed without a hitch this time | 13:12 |
| fsmithred | new grub-pc did not give me any trouble | 13:12 |
| FatPhil | and console's up, and root's in. all's good! | 13:15 |
| FatPhil | why can't the installer remember the network settings used during the installation process? | 13:17 |
| fsmithred | I don't know | 13:23 |
| FatPhil | ugh, wifi trouble now. | 13:26 |
| numzob | fsmithred: I think it *is* easier on the command line, especially if one is doing LVM over LUKs | 13:53 |
| FatPhil | pretty tragic that python2.7 is 'Priority: standard' | 13:55 |
| fsmithred | that goes away in chimaera | 13:57 |
| fsmithred | and so does wicd | 13:57 |
| * numzob misses wicd | 13:57 | |
| fsmithred | me too | 13:57 |
| numzob | it just seemed to hold a connection a little bit better than networkmanager | 13:58 |
| fsmithred | n-m seems to be working but it wants to rule | 13:58 |
| numzob | that i haven't noticed, at least | 13:58 |
| fsmithred | wicd has a more interactive ui | 13:58 |
| fsmithred | the on/off switches are easier to find | 13:59 |
| numzob | and it looked nicer in the tool tray | 13:59 |
| fsmithred | like a network icon instead of a stick in a box? | 13:59 |
| numzob | and the border | 14:00 |
| FatPhil | hmmm, aptitude shows 2 copies of each package - is that because I enabled backports? | 14:00 |
| fsmithred | what??? | 14:00 |
| fsmithred | two copies? | 14:00 |
| numzob | :o | 14:00 |
| fsmithred | you mean like to copies of the same file with the same name in the same place? | 14:01 |
| FatPhil | hmm, not of every package | 14:01 |
| FatPhil | I'm just trying to purge stuff I don't want, and looking at deps | 14:01 |
| fsmithred | if it's because of backports, then one of the packages will have bpo in the version | 14:02 |
| FatPhil | oooh - yea | 14:03 |
| FatPhil | just found a package with 3 versions. latest has bpo | 14:03 |
| FatPhil | not 100% sure I need backports, might disable until I need it | 14:04 |
| FatPhil | I tend to prefer old and stable stuff | 14:04 |
| FatPhil | I see proposed updates in sources.list too - not seen that before, what are they? | 14:05 |
| FatPhil | wasn't mentioned in the installer | 14:05 |
| fsmithred | it's better to be selective about backports | 14:07 |
| fsmithred | shit, proposed should not be there | 14:08 |
| FatPhil | I didn't add it! | 14:08 |
| fsmithred | comment it. | 14:08 |
| FatPhil | yup, #'d both | 14:08 |
| fsmithred | right now it's not a problem because everything that was in proposed was recently moved to beowulf main | 14:09 |
| fsmithred | but we may put stuff there for testing bugfixes | 14:09 |
| fsmithred | FatPhil, which iso did you use? | 14:12 |
| FatPhil | netinst | 14:18 |
| FatPhil | High5 Pali! o/ | 14:33 |
| Xenguy | I am on Beowulf here, and still using wicd. With wicd going away, I'd like to avoid network-manager if possible. Is anyone using connman successfully, or is it too primitive for use by most regular folks? | 14:56 |
| numzob | i'd had the thought of making a private .deb of wicd but reading how to do that made my head spin | 14:57 |
| numzob | not the compilation, but the package-making part | 14:57 |
| fsmithred | Xenguy, I used connman briefly, but I couldn't get the applet to show up in the tray in live-iso builds | 15:00 |
| fsmithred | other than that, it's ok | 15:00 |
| * FatPhil still just uses ifupdown and wpasupplicant. maybe I shoudl try wicd-cli, so that I can miss it too! | 15:00 | |
| numzob | lol | 15:00 |
| fsmithred | try setnet.sh | 15:01 |
| fsmithred | or simple-netaid | 15:01 |
| fsmithred | or ceni | 15:01 |
| Xenguy | Thanks fsmithred | 15:03 |
| numzob | damn, i thought you were kidding but I googled and setnet.sh is a real thing. innnnnteresting! | 15:03 |
| numzob | thank you | 15:03 |
| fsmithred | yw | 15:03 |
| fsmithred | it never made it into the repo | 15:03 |
| fsmithred | but it's in the minimal-live isos | 15:04 |
| numzob | (i thought you were kidding because nowadays nobody names a program with a name that clearly states its function) | 15:04 |
| fsmithred | KatolaZ does | 15:04 |
| * numzob approves | 15:04 | |
| FatPhil | noice - http://katolaz.net/setnet/release/setnet-0.4/setnet_0.4+devuan1_all.deb | 15:05 |
| numzob | ooo! | 15:05 |
| FatPhil | in particular the 'devuan' bit | 15:05 |
| Xenguy | Looks like setnet was in jessie | 15:05 |
| * numzob had never heard of it until now | 15:05 | |
| Xenguy | me too | 15:05 |
| fsmithred | it was in the repo? | 15:05 |
| Xenguy | fsmithred: I think so | 15:06 |
| fsmithred | we should pull it forward. | 15:06 |
| fsmithred | yeah, beowulf-proposed-updates is in the sources.list after netinstall | 15:09 |
| fsmithred | after dvd no-network install, just the deb-src line for proposed, and it's commented out | 15:10 |
| djph | hm, i need a new pc so I can play with Chimaera ... | 15:14 |
| fsmithred | qemu | 15:16 |
| djph | makes me craptop die horribly :( | 15:17 |
| djph | and me very sad | 15:17 |
| djph | although I do have it running on a headless VM | 15:17 |
| FatPhil | ug, what was the command to check all installed files' integrity? | 15:18 |
| fsmithred | debsums? | 15:18 |
| fsmithred | FatPhil, what's the problem? | 15:18 |
| FatPhil | I just used a -y switch on a ... | xargs aptitude purge, and rather than purging the few packages it said it would purge, it purged a few dozen until I ^C in a panic | 15:20 |
| fsmithred | are you installing without recommends? | 15:24 |
| fsmithred | that might help reduce cruft | 15:24 |
| FatPhil | this was on another machine - I wanted to grab dpkg -l to see what I might want to install on this new machine. However, I decided to a spot of cleaning up first. | 15:26 |
| FatPhil | But yeah, I always set Recommends and Suggests to "0". | 15:27 |
| DPA | I've just run into the grub breakage now too. It's not the efi boot entry, efibootmgr -v shows: | 15:37 |
| DPA | Boot0013* devuanHD(2,GPT,050aaba9-8deb-41fe-b3bc-8b87cb2f518f,0x20800,0xda000)/File(\EFI\devuan\shimx64.efi) | 15:37 |
| DPA | So I do think it's just grub. I think I'll work around it for now by creating a \EFI\debian\grub.cfg and just setting prefix and loading the real config file in there. | 15:37 |
| fsmithred | DPA, is grub-efi-amd64-signed installed? | 15:50 |
| DPA | fsmithred: yes | 15:53 |
| Igor2 | hi all; I have a devuan ascii on an orange pi zero (installed from devuan root image); I need to recompile the kernel because of missing modules (4.17.0); it seems the kernel in the image is not from a package; where do I get the (devuan patched) source? | 15:53 |
| fsmithred | Igor2, there are no devuan kernels | 15:54 |
| fsmithred | we use debian kernels, unchanged | 15:54 |
| fsmithred | DPA, removing that package should fix it. You only need that for secure boot. | 15:55 |
| fsmithred | and if you have secure boot working, please tell me about it. | 15:55 |
| Igor2 | fsmithred, ok, so where do I get the exact same kernel from debian if it is not installed from package? | 15:57 |
| Igor2 | (I would like to try to compile only a few momdules, not the whole thing, that's why exact version match matters) | 15:58 |
| Igor2 | normally I'd do an apt-get source, but I can't seem to find this package | 15:58 |
| fsmithred | you might have to get it from kernel.org and debianize it yourself | 16:01 |
| fsmithred | but try archive.debian.org too | 16:01 |
| Igor2 | if I get it from kernel.org, how do I figure what debian patches went on the original version? | 16:03 |
| phogg | what makes it seem like the image is not from a package? | 16:04 |
| fsmithred | 4.19 won't work for you? | 16:04 |
| Igor2 | I doubt I could compile a 4.19 module and plug it into a 4.17 kernel | 16:04 |
| fsmithred | use the config from 4.17 as a starting point | 16:05 |
| Igor2 | phogg, I can't find anything with dpkg -l that suggests the image is from that package, and I don't even find the package with apt-get search | 16:05 |
| fsmithred | kernel package name in debian/devuan is linux-image | 16:06 |
| Igor2 | fsmithred, so you say if I compile a kernel mdoule from 4.19, I will be able to insert it into a running 4.17 kernel, rght? | 16:06 |
| phogg | Igor2: that would just mean your current sources don't list it | 16:06 |
| fsmithred | nope | 16:06 |
| Igor2 | yes, I was looking for linux-image and that's what I can't find anywhere - I see 4.19 but not 4.17 | 16:06 |
| fsmithred | I'm saying if you take a kernel config file from 4.17 and use it as a starting point for make oldconfig with 4.19 you have a chance of success | 16:06 |
| Igor2 | well, I'd like to avoid compiling the whole thing, it woudl be much better if I could just compile the missing modules | 16:07 |
| fsmithred | then you need the matching linux-headers package | 16:07 |
| fsmithred | if you're running 4.17 do 'apt install linux-headers-$(uname -r) | 16:08 |
| fsmithred | then you can compile modules | 16:08 |
| fsmithred | oh | 16:08 |
| fsmithred | also install build-essential | 16:09 |
| Igor2 | but I can't seem to find anything for 4.17.0 the root image came with | 16:09 |
| fsmithred | what sources? Debian? | 16:10 |
| Igor2 | ok, let me try this from a different perspective | 16:10 |
| fsmithred | apt-cache search linux-headers | 16:10 |
| Igor2 | I have a running devuan system where it seems the kernel is not installed from package but placed there manually - it happens to be 4.17 | 16:10 |
| Igor2 | I can't find 4.17.0 in devuan/debina anuwhere | 16:11 |
| fsmithred | neither can I | 16:11 |
| fsmithred | which image did you use? | 16:11 |
| Igor2 | I'm using debian since 1999, I compiler my kernels normally, so I am totally aware of linux-headers and buld-essentials, it's really that I am trying to figure how to get this specific kernel version | 16:11 |
| Igor2 | hmm, let me dig it up | 16:11 |
| fsmithred | might have to ask tuxd3v | 16:12 |
| fsmithred | https://arm-files.devuan.org/ | 16:14 |
| Igor2 | hmm, I can't find where I downloaded the image from, looked like some devuan mirror on an university server | 16:15 |
| Igor2 | https://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/devuan/devuan_ascii/embedded/devuan_ascii_2.0.0_armhf_sunxi.img.xz | 16:17 |
| fsmithred | oh, ascii | 16:18 |
| fsmithred | those should be on files.devuan.org | 16:18 |
| Igor2 | thanks, found the image there | 16:19 |
| Igor2 | butI guess it's the same file, so it doesn't get me closer to figuring where the kernel is coming from | 16:19 |
| Igor2 | looks like it was manually copied into the image | 16:20 |
| fsmithred | https://git.devuan.org/devuan-sdk/arm-sdk/src/branch/master/boards/sunxi.sh | 16:21 |
| fsmithred | I think that's the script used to make the image | 16:21 |
| fsmithred | go up one level to see the directory that has kernel configs | 16:23 |
| Igor2 | cool, thanks! | 16:23 |
| fsmithred | and here's the main link for the repo: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-sdk/arm-sdk | 16:23 |
| Igor2 | I have the config from proc/config.gz, my only concern is if the kernel source got some debian patching | 16:23 |
| Igor2 | that's the only reason I don't just go and download the matching version from kernel.org | 16:23 |
| fsmithred | also look in lib/libdevuansdk/zlibs | 16:23 |
| fsmithred | looks like that's where it came from | 16:24 |
| fsmithred | kernel.org | 16:24 |
| fsmithred | knowing parazyd, it probably did not get debianized. It got only what it needed. | 16:25 |
| Igor2 | do you think uname --all would have any indication if the kernel was patched in any way? | 16:26 |
| fsmithred | try it | 16:31 |
| fsmithred | I would expect any patching to be evident in the sdk scripts | 16:31 |
| DPA | fsmithred: I do have working secure boot. I've now worked around the issue by creating a file /EFI/debian/grub.cfg with the following two lines: | 16:32 |
| DPA | set prefix=/EFI/devuan | 16:32 |
| DPA | configfile $prefix/grub.cfg | 16:32 |
| DPA | I also have a system where I install & sign it manually using my own keys: https://pastebin.com/bKqXmZWY (I also build the kernel myself on that system signed with my key), but on that system, I haven't updated grub in a while. | 16:32 |
| Igor2 | wow, I can't find 4.17.0 on kernel.org! this is getting funny | 16:33 |
| fsmithred | DPA, does the installer normally do secure boot correctly, or do you have to fix it after install. Not counting this current grub update. | 16:33 |
| DPA | It usually just works. | 16:34 |
| fsmithred | ok thanks. I couldn't get it to work on my toshiba laptop. | 16:34 |
| fsmithred | good to know it's just me. | 16:34 |
| Igor2 | so I guess the script got it from git from some random version I won't ever be able to reproduce | 16:34 |
| fsmithred | Igor2, there's a branch for each version | 16:36 |
| fsmithred | https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux.git/tree/?h=linux-4.17.y | 16:36 |
| fsmithred | drop-down menu in the upper right for branches | 16:37 |
| Igor2 | (this makes me sad... I left arbian for devuan on the PI boards because of this... I mean armbian generally works better regarding to hardware stuff, but I really hated how the kernel, uboot and other things were not from packages and the whole build process was a real huge and ugly pile of scripts that required a whole ubuntu VM) | 16:37 |
| Igor2 | 4.17.0 says invalid branch | 16:38 |
| Igor2 | or I am doing something differently | 16:38 |
| fsmithred | where do you see that? | 16:39 |
| Igor2 | the drop down meny has 4.17.y only, not 4.17.0; I tried to modify the url, s/y/0/ but that's invalid | 16:40 |
| fsmithred | the script uses 4.17.y | 16:44 |
| Igor2 | yup, I see | 16:44 |
| Igor2 | so let's _hope_ 4.17.y is the same thing as 4.17.0 was at the time the image got built? | 16:44 |
| Igor2 | (reproducible builds, hehe) | 16:45 |
| fsmithred | zlibs/kernel is missing so you can't see the build_kernel_armhf function | 16:46 |
| fsmithred | not really anything substantial in that file. I don't understand. | 16:48 |
| Igor2 | the kernel build in the image seems to be jun 5 2018; commit in 4.17.y looks like august 24 2018 | 16:48 |
| Igor2 | ok, looking at the dates, I _think_ this could be the source: | 16:50 |
| Igor2 | https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux.git/tag/?h=v4.17 | 16:50 |
| Igor2 | at least 4.17.y didn't get any change between that and 2018-06-11 so if the image was built on the 5th that's right after this commit | 16:51 |
| fsmithred | that looks good | 16:52 |
| Igor2 | thanks for the help! If you see parazyd, please ask him to make the sources easier to figure - best would be real debian packages so one could just apt-get source it, but if that's not possible, at least some url where to download the exact version for the sake of reproducability... | 16:54 |
| fsmithred | that sunxi script does have the build_kernel function. | 16:54 |
| Igor2 | well, the point is: I am trying to build only a few modules, not the whole kernel | 16:54 |
| fsmithred | he's not making the images now | 16:54 |
| Igor2 | ohh, ok | 16:54 |
| Igor2 | then whoever is making them | 16:54 |
| fsmithred | you know about the arm section at the forum? | 16:54 |
| Igor2 | nope | 16:55 |
| fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewforum.php?id=24 | 16:55 |
| fsmithred | there's also #devuan-arm | 16:55 |
| Igor2 | thanks | 16:56 |
| fsmithred | have fun | 16:56 |
| Pali | FatPhil: Hi! | 17:09 |
| Igor2 | haha, bad luck: the feature I need can't be compiled as module | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi Pali ! :-) | 21:41 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: Hi! | 21:42 |
| onefang | For people struggling with grub in EFI mode, maybe try rEFInd instead? | 23:02 |
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