libera/#devuan/ Thursday, 2021-03-18

search_socialHello normally the devuan installer gives me a choice to format partitions as ext2, ext3, or ext4 but at the moment it is only giving me a choice of ext2. It also has a black background instead of the normal blue background. Can anyone think why that would be?04:10
gnarfacewrong installer iso?04:24
gnarfaceusually you'd see a lot more than just ext* too04:24
gnarfacenever heard of it doing this as some sort of failure case04:25
gnarfacebut try it in text and expert mode to be sure04:25
xrogaanyeah, make sure you got the right ISO. Checksum and all04:28
search_socialIt happens when I run the iso as a (loop) device from grub, but the same iso not as a loop device works04:38
search_socialokay nevermind it actually happened because i didn't run "load components from cdrom"04:43
masonsearch_social: That bit me recently.04:43
DocScrutinizer05wild guess: missing fs driver kernel modules?05:19
DocScrutinizer05unlikely, particularly since `man ext4`05:25
search_socialDocScrutinizer05: it was fixed by choosing the "load components from cdrom" menu option05:37
iv4nshm4k0vI'd guess that it's the /installer/ modules that were missing, until loaded.05:39
adhocevening all05:44
adhochas anyone been working with Kubernetes on Devian 3.x ?05:45
adhocinstalling Docker and Kubernetes seems to go ok, Docker "works" for values of running the hello-world test.05:46
adhocKubernetes does not detect systemd and fails out...05:46
adhocthis thread suggests using openrc; https://github.com/kubernetes/minikube/issues/695405:48
adhocbut that does not seem to work either05:55
xrogaandoes it run on freebsd? If it does, then it should run on devuan.07:15
gnarfacethere's no reason for them to take out the hook that calls "/etc/init.d/kubernetes" or whatever07:16
gnarfacethat's just vandalism07:16
gnarfacethey don't have to provide a script for every distro07:16
gnarfaceteam fortress 2 sure as hell doesn't07:16
gnarfacepretending like they don't know of any such platforms is pretty rich too07:17
gnarfacei'd check to see if it still works in gentoo, then maybe check into difference between gentoo's and debian's openrc setup07:18
gnarfacebut i note that comment thread ends with someone basically saying that the assumption it works had never been tested07:18
gnarface(and honestly, i'd expect disappointment if the result turned out to be that it did)07:19
adhocthere are plenty of threads suggsting tha openrc is supported, however it currently does not.07:20
adhocSomething that just occured to me is that I installed the Debian/Buster .deb files.07:21
gnarfacewell is it in the repos?07:21
adhocI wonder if there is something Debian and systemd specific in those packages, becaue everything else seems to be a second class citizen there now days07:21
gnarfaceit's possible, but it should be in the list of bannedpackages if so07:22
adhocthere seems to be a devuan unstable and 4.0 in the kubernetes build system for an older version, but it fails07:22
adhocoh? where do I look for these banned packages?07:23
gnarfacehttp://packages.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt this might be it07:23
gnarfaceit is shorter than i reemmber07:23
adhocdid not know that existed07:23
gnarfaceremember*07:23
adhocdo not really understand what that is for ?07:24
adhocpackages not to pull from Debian ?07:24
gnarfacedoesn't matter, it's not on there07:24
adhocok07:24
adhoctomcat9 !07:25
gnarfacethat means you're right, it's supposed to work07:25
gnarfacebut it also should be installable through the devuan mirrors07:25
gnarfaceso make sure of that first07:25
gnarfaceand do that07:25
onefangPackages Devuan excludes from being pulled from Debian.07:25
adhoconefang: ta.07:25
adhocok, so the kubernetes packages come from their own repos07:25
gnarfacei see, so then this is vandalism07:26
gnarfacebut also vandlism of their own product07:26
gnarfacevandalism*07:26
adhochttps://repology.org/project/kubernetes/information07:26
gnarfaceso there isn't much you can do but fork it yourself07:26
gnarfacewell, i suppose you could try social engineering too07:26
gnarfacegood luck07:27
gnarfacei don't see any evidence they're taking the complaint seriously, nor that they have any intent to07:27
adhocbasically the only options I have is to blow away the stack of devuan machines and install debian or centos07:27
gnarfacetry a different container?07:28
gnarfaceor did they actually manage to vendor lock-in you?07:28
adhocseems to be standard practice to say; insufficent user base07:28
adhoc$WORK has moved that way07:28
onefangWe need bigger users to make a bigger user base.  B-)07:28
adhocI want to get some practical experience with it at $HOME07:29
adhoconefang: heh07:29
adhocgnarface: vendor lock in is a nasty game, a race to the bottom of features and cost07:30
adhocanyhow, there are a couple of things I can try, like uninstalling all the kubernetes stuff, installing openrc, then trying again, in case it is doing some detection at install time.07:31
adhocthanks folks07:32
search_socialdoesn't devuan have a fake systemd for something like login or something?07:38
onefangYes.07:41
onefangDon't ask me the details though.07:41
search_socialokay now i can't "load components from cdrom" because it can't find the cdrom when the cdrom is a (loop) device from grub08:18
search_socialokay i can just manually mount the fat32 file system and then the iso within it by going to the Alt+F2 shell in the middle of the installer LOL08:25
kreyrenE: Unable to locate package glibc10:23
kreyrenhow can i install glibc on devuan? x.x10:23
kreyreni am using merged O.o10:23
kreyrenhttps://packages.debian.org/source/bullseye/glibc10:23
kreyrenO.o10:23
gnarfaceglibc is definitely in devuan10:24
kreyrenapparently not10:24
kreyrenO.o10:24
onefangI just did a search, glibc-doc, glibc-doc-reference, and glibc-source.10:25
kreyrennot glibc itself though10:26
adhocthat link is the debian packages repo?10:26
gnarfaceit's also a link to the url for the source package10:26
* kreyren is checking on docker10:26
xinomilolook for binary packages : https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/glibc10:27
adhockreyren: I did that earlier today, and it worked10:27
xinomiloglibc is the source10:27
* kreyren < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/NsuoNBWitcTDJRGfobzUxcUm/message.txt >10:27
kreyreno.o10:27
kreyrenbinary package? what10:28
xinomilolibc-bin or something.. there's no package call glibc.. not in debian either10:28
gnarfacelibc610:28
gnarfacelibc6*10:28
* kreyren it even more confused10:29
gnarfacekreyren: run this: apt-cache search ^libc610:29
* kreyren < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/FDQdGqwpfawEePrsmunJwYYC/message.txt >10:30
gnarfacei dunno if you're expecting me to click on that or what10:30
gnarfacebut it's not gonna happen10:30
adhocapt list --installed | grep libc10:30
kreyreneg so libc6-dev-amd64 - GNU C Library: 64bit Development Libraries for AMD6410:30
kreyren ?10:30
adhocthat shows; libc-bin/stable,now 2.28-10 amd64 [installed]10:31
gnarfacekreyren: yes, that's "glibc"10:31
rrqhere's another clicky :) https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=libc610:31
gnarfacekreyren: this used to confuse me too, but i guarantee that glibc is a part of every single linux distro10:31
kreyrenlibc6-dev/testing,unstable,now 2.31-9 amd64 [installed,automatic]10:32
kreyren?10:32
adhocthe source is called "glibc" the installed files are called "libc-..." for historical reasons (AFAICT)10:32
adhockreyren: that would be the include files for the library10:32
gnarfacekreyren: you only need packages with "-dev" in the name for build dependencies, that one is optional10:32
kreyreni am trying to solve https://github.com/leftwm/leftwm/issues/242 where upstream observed this issue when glibc is not installed on KISS linux suspecting same on devuan10:33
kreyrenx.x10:33
kreyrenso that would be libc6-dev right10:33
gnarfaceuh... scanning that forum thread it's not clear you'd need the development headers package10:35
adhocthe -dev file for the includes, yes.10:35
gnarfacei'm not sure how you're coming to that conclusion10:35
adhocI think that instance of; kreyren@dreamon:~$ apt list --installed glibc10:35
gnarfacethe basic diagnosis (doesn't work because glibc is not installed) would also prevent basically everything else from working too10:35
kreyrenrelevant: https://github.com/leftwm/leftwm/issues/242#issuecomment-80142147210:35
kreyren> I recall seeing a similar issue with KISS Linux because glibc was missing.10:36
adhocin that thread is misleading, when I run it it shows nothing, but it also shows nothing with any installed package too.10:36
gnarfaceso the diagnosis doesn't seem to hold water10:36
kreyrenah oke thanks10:36
gnarfacesince it's unclear you'd ever be in this scenario naturally10:36
adhocif there was | grep libc on the end it would show something10:36
adhocI expect that if libc was missing the machine would not boot!10:37
kreyreneh `apt list --installed glibc | grep libc` outputs blank?10:37
adhocThe alternative is they are not using glibc, but perhaps another source?10:37
adhocapt list --installed | grep libc10:37
onefangThere are a few other libc , mostly used for embedded Linux development.10:38
gnarfacedietlibc and musl or something?10:38
onefangYep, and others.10:38
adhoctry this; apt list --installed | grep libc-bin10:38
onefangAlso bionic in Android.10:38
kreyrenlibc-bin/testing,unstable,now 2.31-9 amd64 [installed]10:38
adhocthat looks sensible.10:39
adhoconefang: so wouyld they have an embedded libc that is not from glibc source?10:39
gnarfacei assume the one that's just called "libc6" would pull in any necessary dependencies but again... you should really have got them on install, so if you're missing them something else bad happened earlier that has not been considered in the diagnosis10:40
kreyrenehh O.o10:40
kreyrenso can i say that glibc is installed, because libc-bin is installed?10:40
adhoca libc is indeed installed.10:41
kreyrenposted https://github.com/leftwm/leftwm/issues/242#issuecomment-80177731510:42
kreyrenthanks for help ^-^10:44
gnarfacekreyren: you still may be missing packages... i have way more than just one and not that one10:44
gnarfacekreyren: depends on what you're trying to do exactly i suppose10:44
kreyrenrun the leftWM in slim or from tty using `dbus-launch leftwm`10:45
kreyrenbecause it fails to launch atm10:45
* kreyren is checking x11-dl crate10:46
gnarfacei never launch x that way either, fyi10:47
gnarfaceeverything about what you're doing is suspicious and weird10:47
kreyrenhow then?10:47
gnarface"startx"10:47
kreyrendid that too same issue, was unable to capture logs10:47
gnarfacethe logs have to go in /var/log/ or ~/.local/share/xorg/10:48
kreyrenchecking10:48
kreyren`exec dbus-launch leftwmm` in xinitrc?10:48
gnarfaceuh, no10:50
kreyreno.o10:50
gnarfaceno i made mine into a bash script10:50
kreyreno.o10:51
gnarfacei don't use "exec" i just run the WM10:51
kreyrenwhat10:51
gnarfacefull path to binary10:51
gnarface /usr/bin/leftwm10:51
gnarfaceor wherever10:51
kreyren~/.cargo/bin/leftwm10:52
gnarfacethat might work but that's not the full path10:52
kreyrenreplaced tilde with full path10:52
gnarfacei think it'll work actually give it a try10:52
kreyrentrying (killing X)10:52
kreyrenthat gives me a black screen with a mouse cursor which i assume is leftwm -> Works?10:56
kreyrenkreyren@dreamon:~$ cat ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log.old | ix10:56
kreyrenhttp://ix.io/2ThG10:56
gnarfaceif you want me to look at the pastes use paste.debian.net10:56
gnarfacebut the one called ".old" fyi is from the previous run not the current, so it's not super relevant10:57
gnarfaceblack screen with only a cursor sounds like X worked but the window manager did not10:57
kreyrenthe previous run was on leftwm and then i switched to xfce410:57
gnarfacestill... i'm not familiar with your window manager10:57
kreyrenhttps://paste.debian.net/1189811/10:58
kreyren<gnarface "still... i'm not familiar with y"> checking10:58
kreyrenbased on README.md of the project it starts into a black screen10:59
gnarfacekreyren: well, nothing seems wrong with that other than the fact it's not even devuan and it's running systemd10:59
kreyrenit's devuan running sysvinit O.o10:59
gnarfacekreyren: black screen with only a cursor also strongly suggests X is working11:00
kreyrenafaik the systemd things in xorg are devuan way of handling the compatibility?11:00
kreyrenor maybe i am using a kernel made for debian?11:01
gnarfacekreyren: no, the line where it says that systemd-logind is taking over the session is kinda blowing your cover11:01
* kreyren < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/YKgZBmcCGVhPcBkCxDNJMSIl/message.txt >11:01
gnarfacekreyren: either you've mixed debian packages in against instruction and stuff snuck in you weren't expecting, or you're straight up trolling me11:01
kreyreni am not trolling! :(11:01
kreyreni am using liquorix kernel so i assume that is putting in some systemd things? (the default kernel is causing my system to halt when sched is slightly overwhelmed consistent with other distros using fair sched)11:02
gnarfacekreyren: unfortunately neither of these issues actually explains what is going wrong, but you should try it on a devuan livecd to see if it behaves any better11:02
kreyrenor like i can boot devuan kernel O.o11:03
gnarfacekreyren: at this point the only thing that will help is a clean install.  that kernel package probably pulled in systemd.11:03
kreyrenx.x11:03
gnarfacekreyren: (which incidentally is really bad behavior for a kernel package so you should double check it wasn't something else)11:03
kreyreni don't see systemd in processes though11:04
kreyrenoh wait11:04
kreyrennope11:04
* kreyren though that he got wrong xorg log11:04
gnarfaceyou're sure you're logged into the right hardware too?11:05
kreyrenand nothing containing "systemd" is installed O.o11:05
kreyren<gnarface "you're sure you're logged into t"> yes11:05
kreyrenthis is not SSH session11:05
gnarfaceother window managers work if you try this?11:05
gnarfacejust not leftwm?11:05
kreyrenyes xfce4 works11:06
gnarfacethe leftwm binary could be suspect, or it could just be choking on version mismatches.   this type of failure also strongly fits the pattern of a mangled install11:06
gnarfacedid you ever use debian mirrors for anything else?  or 3rd party mirrors intended for debian?  those are the mistakes.11:07
kreyrenlet me try devuan kernel then i think it's from liquorix and devuan is making a compatibility to sysvinit fooling the xorg that it's systemd-logind11:07
kreyreni have 3rd party mirrors for winehq, vscodium, riot-im, torproject and liquorix11:08
gnarfacethat's a lot11:08
gnarfacethat's a lot of risk11:08
kreyrenall of these seems to be optimized to not run on systemd though i was checking them x.x11:09
kreyrenxscreensaver-systemd is running though11:09
kreyrenwhich was pulled from devuan using the xfce4 session11:09
gnarfacewell i dunno if you got some shim in there that's fooling it or actually systemd i just know i don't have it here and my xorg logs don't say that11:09
kreyreninteresting O.o let me check devuan kernel then brb11:09
gnarfacethe mistake could have been made in your sources.list perhaps11:10
gnarfacesince xscreensaver-systemd is not a devuan package11:10
gnarfacethere's a lot of evidence of debian here11:10
gnarfacewhen you mix repos from 3rd parties you *really* gotta pay attention to what they slide in as dependencies11:11
kreyrenStill mentiones systemd-logind11:11
kreyrenO.o11:12
gnarfacetrying it from a fresh install without all the 3rd party repos would be very informative.  the devuan live cd might be a good secondary measure11:13
gnarfacei noticed leftwm isn't a devuan component either11:13
gnarfaceare you using a binary for an older distro release?   maybe that needs to be rebuilt against devuan versions of stuff11:13
kreyrenbut they didn't slide in any systemd deps the xscreensaver is also from devuan checking the package agains apt-cache policy11:13
kreyrenO.o11:13
kreyren<gnarface "i noticed leftwm isn't a devuan "> installed using cargo11:14
gnarfaceoh, what's cargo?  something that ignores apt and installs files anyway?11:14
gnarfaceseems dangerous on it's own11:14
kreyrenit's rustlang's package manager it installs packages in home dir11:15
kreyrenit doesn't touch the system11:15
gnarfacehmm, interesting11:15
gnarfaceand this is meant for debian buster? current stable?11:16
gnarfaceand you think (thought) this was devuan beowulf you're trying it on?11:16
kreyrenit compiles for the system that it's running so in theory this is designed to work on anything turing complete11:16
kreyrenit requires the libs though if they are not implemented with the package x.x11:16
kreyrenthis is devuan chimaera11:17
ltsCargo/pip/npm/etc are pulling in unknown third party software, which pull in unknown third party software. You usually don't want them running unsandboxed11:17
djphs/unsandboxed// :D11:18
kreyrenThe software itself runs sandboxed, but it requires a read in libs11:18
fsmithredI have the same line in my Xorg.0.log11:18
fsmithredin pure devuan beowulf11:18
gnarfacehmmm11:19
gnarfaceweird11:19
fsmithredno11:19
fsmithrednot the same line11:19
kreyreno.o11:19
kreyrengnarface: maybe you are running the non-merged system?11:19
fsmithredsystemd-logind: logind integration requires -keeptty and -keeptty was not provided, disabling logind integration11:19
kreyreno.o11:20
gnarfacemine's not quite like that but it fails similarly (something about missing service files)11:20
djphfsmithred: ew, why is systemd-logind running on beowulf?11:20
fsmithredkreyren, there is no non-merged system11:20
gnarfacekreyren's shows systemd-logind taking over the session at multiple points11:20
djphoh.11:20
gnarfacei assume some of them are waking up from sleep?11:20
fsmithredps shows no systemd running11:20
kreyreni meant the deb.devuan.org/devuan not using the merged repos11:20
fsmithredkreyren, there's no system there11:21
fsmithredonly a couple hundred packages11:21
kreyreno.o11:21
kreyrenah oke11:21
fsmithredand half of them are task-language11:21
kreyrenalso it says "Distributor: Debian" in Xfce411:21
fsmithredwhere in xfce?11:22
kreyrenxfce4-about11:22
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kreyren(xfce4 installed from netinstall of devuan)11:22
adhocon Devuan 4 no less11:22
fsmithredI have no idea where to find xfce-about11:22
kreyrenah sorry xfce4-about11:23
adhocwhen is chimaera due to be released?11:23
kreyrenwait i said that11:23
kreyreneh x.x11:23
fsmithredadhoc, buster is in freeze, so possibly by the end of this year11:24
adhocok11:27
gnarfaceoh i didn't realize it might be that soon11:27
* kreyren assumes that everything is fine then and goes to mess with leftwm in startx11:28
adhocwhat is leftwm written in ?11:28
kreyrenRust11:29
* kreyren figured out how to open element-desktop in leftwm11:29
fsmithredI said buster, but I meant bullseye.12:48
XenguyHave to run, but recent Debian chatter suggests that bullseye is getting ready14:01
Xenguyfsmithred: ^^14:01
TenkawaXenguy:14:06
Tenkawa2021-03-12: Hard Freeze - for key packages and packages without autopkgtests (scheduled) Full Freeze date not yet determined.14:06
TenkawaHard Freeze has already been set but it usually takes a month between Hard Freeze and release14:08
Tenkawaif past release cycles hold true14:08
GyrosGeierhi14:08
GyrosGeierI have a server with serial-over-lan control14:09
GyrosGeierso it's currently booting with systemd-boot because that works with the serial console14:10
GyrosGeieris there a replacement that can boot an EFI system and supports serial console?14:10
TenkawaGyrosGeier: is it just a uart driven getty?14:11
Tenkawaie if the getty could be started with sysvinit to talk serial will that interface with the ethernet controller or do y ou need it going the other direction?14:12
Tenkawatalking ethernet oout to serial14:13
Tenkawas/out//out14:13
XenguyTenkawa: Thanks, and TTYL all14:16
DPAAfter the bootloader, the serial console can be enabled in /etc/initab.14:27
DPARegarding other bootloaders with serial support, grub should be able to do that too: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/21/html/System_Administrators_Guide/sec-GRUB_2_over_Serial_Console.html14:27
DPA(update-grub instead of the mkconfig stuff)14:27
DPASpeaking of grub, Is anyone going to do anything about the beowulf-security grub-efi-*-signed grub config prefix bug?14:27
TenkawaDPA: ouch...14:28
Tenkawathats a doozy14:28
* Tenkawa doesn't like any signing/security bugs14:33
iv4nshm4k0vFWIW, I configure serial console this way: 1. replace 1:2345:... getty tty1 entry in /etc/inittab with: con:2345:respawn:/sbin/sulogin; 2. boot kernel with console=ttyS0.14:35
iv4nshm4k0v(Some VPS providers are nice enough to allow SSH access to their control interface and to the VM's serial port from that.  Much more convenient than going through VNC IMO.)14:37
Tenkawaalmost everything I have either uses ssh or serial via uart14:38
* Tenkawa uses over 90% embedded devices that need uart consoles14:38
* iv4nshm4k0v doesn't use anything "signed"14:40
Tenkawaiv4nshm4k0v: I "had" to back in my telecom and financial days14:41
Tenkawaregulatory requirements14:41
Tenkawathis is all hobby now14:41
iv4nshm4k0vWell, I've meant $ apt-cache search -- -signed\$ specifically.  I don't have anything against digital signatures /in general,/ just against the cases where the user may be locked out of his or her computer.14:43
Tenkawaheheh for a home machine it is a bit much for most14:45
GyrosGeierTenkawa, when it's booted yes15:18
GyrosGeierthe issue is the bootloader itself15:18
GyrosGeierthe BIOS outputs to the serial port, and the kernel does15:18
GyrosGeierbut the boot menu would only go to the VGA card15:19
TenkawaGyrosGeier: yeah without a direct uart to the bios that is problematic15:24
Tenkawasome of those servers have that though and then you would just need a adapter to get that on your network ie a network kvm15:26
GyrosGeierit works with systemd-boot15:26
GyrosGeierwhich just uses the UEFI console drivers15:26
Tenkawathen you would be able to control it without os control at all15:26
GyrosGeierhence my need for a replacement15:26
GyrosGeiernot an urgent need, since I can boot blindly, but if I ever have to change a kernel command line, I'd be lost15:27
iv4nshm4k0vWell, I use Syslinux as the bootloader.  It /does/ support prompting on the serial port.15:40
Tenkawayeah I use syslinux too15:42
Tenkawavery flexible15:43
iv4nshm4k0vI haven't tried Syslinux' EFI support, though.  My impression was that non-mobile computers still provide a "legacy boot" option.  I don't have any compelling reasons to consider EFI boot instead.  (Much like I don't have any compelling reasons to consider Systemd, either.)15:43
Tenkawawe use syslinux+efi on soc's in some of our images but grub + efi on x8615:45
iv4nshm4k0vTenkawa: Right; no reason to use EFI when BIOS is available; but indeed makes sense to use the former in the absence of the latter.15:45
Tenkawasome of our ubuntu soc users just wanted syslinux + efi instead of syslinux + mbr *shrug*15:48
Tenkawaseems like adding complexity where its not needed but oh well15:48
onefangSome of the more advanced syslinux stuff isn't available for EFI yet.  Though that may have been fixed since last time I looked.15:49
TenkawaI'm doing a lot of devuan testing right now to see how its running15:49
iv4nshm4k0vTenkawa Any genius can make a simple solution; it takes a very fine grade of mediocrity to make things complex for a change.15:50
onefanglol15:50
Tenkawaiv4nshm4k0v: thats the thing too.. people tend to overcomplicate15:50
iv4nshm4k0vonefang: Last time I've checked (late last year, I think?), Syslinux' Git repository had no commits for over a year.  Frankly, that got me concerned.15:53
onefangJust did a git pull on my copy of their source code, still no changes.15:57
Josh_2Hi, can I run OpenRC on Devuan? Do I have to do a custom install?17:27
Josh_2oh right It's literally in the installer xD17:37
Josh_2Okay my mind is made up, I will move to Devuan17:38
Josh_2wish me luck :P17:57
unixbsdhi19:33
unixbsdDo you know a possible Chess game that works and can be played with the Gamepad /dev/input...blabla? (regular gamepad on usb)?19:33
Hurgotronunixbsd: https://github.com/fbergo/eboard mentions joysticks, but not USB. If you can do mapping of the keypad to keyboard keys it should work.19:42
HurgotronStuff doesn't look very current, though.19:43
unixbsdah yeah I know eboard, I cannoot setup up joystick on it.19:45
unixbsdwell, seems we have no luck ...19:46
Hurgotronwhat's the problem with setting up the joystick?19:47
unixbsdI guess the easiest is to install PS2 emulator. I will check if pcsx ps2 works.19:50
unixbsdmaybe there are chess games on it.19:51
josh`Hi, I just installed. Getting some minor annoyances, I have installed network-manager and its constantly asking for my root password..20:14
josh`I get asking once but everytime I click anything I'm asked20:14
fsmithredmake sure you're in the netdev group. It shouldn't do that.20:15
josh`Okay thanks20:15
fsmithredand I have to go, so I can't stay and help.20:15
fsmithredbbl20:15
josh`apparently my user is part of netdev group20:16
golinuxJosh . . . You didn't say which release you installed.  There is a change of path in beowulf that might be an issue.  Do read the release notes: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/Release_notes.txt.20:44
josh`Its Beowulf20:50
josh`Is synaptic the gui package installer?20:51
josh`now I gotta sort out this nvidia drivers problem21:11
josh`https://plaster.tymoon.eu/view/2348#2348 this is the error I get when trying to install nvidia-drivers21:18
gnarfacejosh`: use paste.debian.net if you want me to actually read your pastes.   use the nvidia driver packages from the repo, not from nvidia.com22:39
gnarface(if you have a recent card you'll probably need the kernel and driver packages from beowulf-backports instead)22:40
josh`My card is a gtx 965m22:57
josh`so its not particularly new22:57
josh`gnarface: http://paste.debian.net/1189922/22:58
gnarfacejosh`: that might still count as new enough to need the backports stuff22:58
gnarfacejosh`: something else is very wrong, it shouldn't want to drop all those packages just to install that driver unless you've messed up your sources.list22:59
gnarfacejosh`: have you accidentally got two different versions of devuan in there?22:59
gnarfacejosh`: maybe your system is just very out-of-date; try doing a "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" first22:59
gnarfacenvidia-driver is already the newest version (418.181.07-1).23:00
gnarfaceit says it's already installed, too23:00
gnarfacebtw23:00
josh`right so whats up with the error at the end?23:01
josh`This is a brand new install from the iso23:01
gnarfacewhat? the part where it tries to install a deprecated package and then barfs on it?  that also supports my hypothesis.  the only thing so far that does not is the claim this is a brand new install.  which iso did you use, exactly?23:01
josh`Let me go see23:02
gnarfacealso... none of this proves anything is actually not working in the already installed packages23:02
gnarfaceare you experiencing missing features or performance issues?23:02
gnarfaceor did you just try to do an update and wonder what's going on?23:03
josh`this one https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devuan_beowulf/installer-iso/devuan_beowulf_3.1.0_amd64-netinstall.iso23:03
gnarfacealright, should be fine23:03
josh`I'm not experiencing any problems it just there is clearly an error at the end23:03
josh`I haven't tried to reboot to see if it is going to use nvidia23:03
gnarfaceyea but i'm more disturbed about the part where it's about to throw your window manager overboard23:03
josh`right23:04
gnarfacethe nvidia thing doesn't look any more fucked up than normal23:04
josh`xD23:04
gnarfacebut why is it telling you that you're not using xfce anymore?23:04
gnarfacedid you also change window managers before this?23:04
gnarfacesomething important is missing from your account of what happened here23:04
josh`Nope23:04
josh`I'm using the xfce that was installed by the install media23:05
josh`I use xfce anyway so I kept the default23:05
gnarfacehttps://paste.debian.net/1189923/23:05
gnarfacemake sure your sources.list looks like this23:05
josh`Okay23:05
gnarfacethen run this, just for good measure:  apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgradse23:06
gnarfacesorry "dist-upgrade" on that last bit, not "upgradse" obviously23:06
gnarfacethat should just make sure you have all your stuff current at least23:06
josh`https://paste.debian.net/1189924/23:06
josh`thats mine23:06
gnarfaceyea, don't do that23:07
gnarfaceuse mine23:07
gnarfacefigure out why later23:07
josh`okay I'll swap em23:07
gnarfaceit shouldn't want to remove a bunch of stuff, it should only want to mostly upgrade everything23:08
gnarfacemake sure though23:09
josh`https://paste.debian.net/1189925/ thats the output of running the update command23:09
josh`I swapped to your sources before hand obviously23:09
gnarfaceyea, the nvidia-persistenced thing seems really annoying.  you don't actually need that package though, so try to purge it first "apt-get --purge remove nvidia-persistenced"23:10
gnarfacethen try the update command again23:10
josh`okay done23:11
gnarfacedid it work this time?23:11
josh`the error is gone, but it still has the long list of 'no longer required'23:11
gnarfaceok here's the problem with that23:11
gnarfaceonly you can know if it's right or not23:11
josh`ah I see23:11
josh`well looks to me that most of it are just plugins I'm not using23:12
gnarfaceok23:12
gnarfacedo you have a second machine you can come back into this IRC channel with if it goes all very wrong?23:12
josh`yes23:12
josh`but I have to go out now :(23:12
gnarfacealright, well let me know what happens when you get a chance to try it.  it should be fine, i'm just disturbed by the amount of xfce (the default window manager) stuff that it wants to remove23:13
gnarfacebut if you're not using xfce that's not very concerning23:13
josh`Okay cool. Thanks for the help23:13
josh`Well I am :P23:13
gnarfacewell, usually after the upgrade everything sorts itself out23:13
gnarfacesometimes they rebundle stuff or whatever23:14
gnarfaceyou might complicated things by putting proposed-updates in there too early too23:14
gnarfacenot sure23:14
Jjp137oh the proposed-updates being included is a bug in the 3.1.0 iso23:14
gnarfaceand after the update i'm still not sure you'll have all the right nvidia packages23:14
gnarface(libgl1-nvidia-glx gets left out often)23:14
gnarfaceso this might take a couple steps to clean up23:15
gnarfacebut if it was a fresh install then it shouldn't be too far gone23:15
golinuxJjp137: Yes, we missed deleting proposed-updates after those packages had been moved to main23:17
golinuxWe are to going release a 3.1.1 to fix that soon.23:18
Jjp137oh cool23:19

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