libera/#devuan/ Monday, 2021-03-22

iv4nshm4k0vjonadab: I've had keyboards dying for various reasons, but can't say a cord was ever a problem for me.  As for Model Ms, I don't know how you estimate keyboard's worth, but at around 100 USD new from http://unicomp.com/ , I'd say they're somewhat costly.03:20
adhociv4nshm4k0v: if that is a full 101 key, then that is on the low side for a mechanical keyboard.03:39
adhocI wonder if the modern model m's come in PS2 and if they would work on my octane...03:40
iv4nshm4k0vadhoc: Unicomp offers keyboards with 87 to 122 keys, most of them in both PS/2 and USB varieties.03:43
edgar9380I have a 1600x1200 monitor, yet I can only do 1280x1024 max.03:47
edgar9380my GPU is a AMD Radeon R7 250 card too03:48
gnarfaceedgar9380: you need the firmware-amd-graphics package.  do you have it?03:48
gnarfaceedgar9380: (it's in non-free)03:48
gnarfaceedgar9380: (let me know if you don't know how to check)03:50
edgar9380I added the non-free Debian sources to my sources.list file03:52
edgar9380and I'm currently installing the firmware-amd-graphics package03:52
golinuxPlease that non-devuan related chat to #devuan-offtopic03:52
golinuxNot a good idea to use debian sources directly.  Devuan has everything that debian does except systemd03:53
edgar9380I got the non-free AMD drivers working now on my Devuan install.03:58
edgar9380working 100%03:58
gnarfaceso the resolution is right now04:01
gnarface?04:01
gnarfaceor you're saying they already worked before hand04:02
gnarfaceyou typed Debian earlier, and there was some confusion about your intent04:02
Xenguyedgar9380, you are mixing Debian and Devuan sources?  That is the Frankenstein Opening : -)04:02
gnarfaceedgar9380: to be clear, you meant you put Devuan non-free in your sources.list, right?04:03
gnarfaceyea it really makes a mess if you actually mix devuan and debian repos04:03
edgar9380I choose the non-free Debian sources04:03
edgar9380*source04:04
gnarfaceit isn't always apparent how it breaks things04:04
gnarfaceit causes package dependency tree corruption, basically04:04
gnarfaceand to be clear, Devuan has all the same packages for this stuff.  you should have used the Devuan repos in your sources, even for non-free04:04
XenguyYeah, you should be able to get everything you need from Devuan sources04:05
genr8_I just installed devuan and I noticed something weird with the packages "gcc" and "gcc-8". I haven't changed anything really.04:55
genr8_I did "apt get install linux-headers-4.19.0-14-amd64" and it auto-grabbed "gcc-8" version 8.3.0-6 (9,452KB) (from "deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf/main amd64" repo)04:57
genr8_then later on, I did "apt install gcc make autoconf automake" and instead of ignoring gcc, it re-grabbed ANOTHER "gcc" version 4:8.3.0-1 (5,196KB) from the same repo04:59
adhocthe package; build-essential04:59
adhocwould be the obvious place to start, as far as I know05:00
genr8_ok but that doesnt exactly remove the concern here05:00
adhocgenr8_: should get the important packages you need to build thing like the kernel05:00
adhocwhat does; which gcc05:01
adhocreturn ?05:01
rrqgenr8_: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/package-query.html?c=package&q=gcc=4:8.3.0-105:01
adhocthen run; gcc --version05:01
genr8_ok but also, I notice on this build-essential metapackage, the same thing is happening for G++ and G++-805:01
genr8_it chose both to install, and the versions are also 8.3.0-6 and 4:8.3.0-105:02
genr8_gcc --version produces 8.3.0-605:02
adhocone of them will be in the path.05:02
rrqhttps://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/package-query.html?c=package&q=g++=4:8.3.0-105:02
rrqlook at the Depends: line05:02
genr8_thats not a valid answer05:03
adhocgenr8_: does not matter in the big scheme of things05:04
adhocinstalling build-essential will give you a sensible OS default environment.05:04
genr8_it should be investigated05:04
genr8_it does not convey good practices. judging by a "diff <(dpkg -L gcc) <(dpkg -L gcc-8)" they installed 95% of the same stuff but 5% is different05:05
adhocgenr8_: good, you have a neat little problem to solve, which is the metapacage and which is the compiler package? what is the chain?05:06
genr8_thats the issue. they both are real packages.05:06
adhocgenr8_: so long as they both produce valid executables?05:06
genr8_not OK in my book05:07
genr8_theres utility and plugin differences between the packages05:07
genr8_https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/package-query.html?c=package&q=gcc  <--- this is only showing version 4:8.3.0-1 and not even showing 8.3.0-605:07
adhocgenr8_: it may suggest the kernel was built on a system with the minor version number different.05:07
rrqdo you have an example of "the same stuff"?05:07
genr8_do you want me to paste the output of that diff or something ?05:08
rrqone example is enough05:08
genr8_libcc1.so liblto_plugin.so libcc1plugin.so05:09
rrqlibcc1.so is from gcc-8 not gcc05:09
genr8_c89-gcc c99-gcc05:09
genr8_I see that. im saying theres 2 different packages here05:10
rrqthose two are both from gcc05:11
genr8_i see that.05:11
genr8_when you run the diff command you will see also.05:11
genr8_theres no reason to be having two REAL (non-meta) "gcc vs gcc-8" packages (with different versions, and different content) on 1 devuan.05:11
rrques, I don't know whether there is a reason. Apparently the Debian GCC Maintaners have some.05:12
genr8_ok05:12
genr8_so take it up with them ?05:12
rrqI would guess they would always beee keen on feeback for imporvements05:13
adhocgenr8_: I would purge all the packages that are bothering you, start with build-essentail, then install the meta kernel-headers package05:14
adhocpull the info from; dpkg --get-selections05:14
adhocthen you can do a diff, before/after05:15
adhocand pull the package versions, depends out05:15
genr8_Ok i made a mistake here05:24
genr8_[23:59:28] <genr8_> then later on, I did "apt install gcc make autoconf automake" and instead of ignoring gcc, it re-grabbed ANOTHER "gcc" version 4:8.3.0-1 (5,196KB) from the same repo  <----------- the second one is 5,196 BYTES not kilobytes :/05:24
adhocis that one a meta package?05:25
genr8_they call it a "dependency package"05:25
* adhoc nods05:32
adhocone day I'd like to get my head around why they version that package; 4:8.3.0-105:33
adhoc8.3.0 is the version of gcc,05:33
adhocwhat is the "4" ?05:33
genr8_so my confusion was for nothing. i feel bad for bothering people05:34
genr8_also: [00:34:19] <jmcnaught> genr8_: it's the epoch: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#version05:34
adhocgenr8_: we all learn these things at some point05:35
adhocnever feel bad about the path to learning =)05:35
adhoceven of the initial reason for doing so, isn't the one you end up with ;)05:35
genr8_true.05:37
adhocthere is a reason folks sit in this (and other) channels05:37
adhocyou learn things along the way05:38
adhocand some times you can help05:38
adhocsome times you help and put both feel in it =P05:38
adhocwhich I though I did05:38
adhocbut the important thing is, you got there in the end =)05:39
genr8_I have a better question05:57
genr8_I thought I installed Devuan 3.1, but when I run "apt policy" it shows at 3.0.0 https://i.imgur.com/TCRjdyX.png05:58
genr8_is there some other way to confirm 3.1 ?05:59
adhocin /etc/ you will find a few files that have what the system things is the version it is running06:01
adhoccat /etc/devuan_version06:01
adhoccat /etc/debian_version06:01
genr8_says "beowulf" 10.006:02
genr8_i dont think it likes keeping track of minor version number :P06:02
adhoccat /etc/os-release06:02
genr8_VERSION_ID="3" / VERSION="3 (beowulf)"06:03
adhocI have PRETTY_NAME="Devuan GNU/Linux ascii"06:03
adhocso not sure what happened in the next release06:03
genr8_PRETTY_NAME="Devuan GNU/Linux 3 (beowulf)"06:03
adhocok06:04
adhoconce you have a major version installed, you can keep it up to date with;06:04
adhocapt-get -yud dist-upgrade06:04
genr8_it says its up to date. but i dont actually find 3.1 listed anywhere06:04
adhocI am sure there are other ways,06:04
rrqgenr8_: well spotted. It should really say 3.106:17
naked_joehello guys. Please help me to understand. If i install Beovulf, how install postgresql 13? i am a newbee.15:23
naked_joeand nodejs latest?  *.deb packages for debian 10  equivalent for Devuan?15:24
djphnaked_joe: use whatever's in the repos, same as you would on Debian Stable15:25
naked_joethanks for answer, What is name i need wrote? Example: sudo sh -c 'echo "deb http://apt.postgresql.org/pub/repos/apt $(lsb_release -cs)-pgdg main" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/pgdg.list'15:26
infobotnaked_joe: de rien15:26
Jorilnaked_joe: buster15:29
naked_joethanks15:30
naked_joeopenrc have runner script? Or need wrote himself?15:31
naked_joeif i install some  server from Buster repo, OpenRC have sript for run  service or need wrote? For example: apach, DB or ACPID...15:36
tarzeaudoes tinysshd work/exist/install on devuan? can you share your /etc/init.d/tinysshd? (ok i could grab the package and check myself)20:26
tarzeauhuh? https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/package-query.html?c=package&q=tinysshd=20190101-120:28
tarzeaui thought devuan is without systemd?20:28
fsmithredyes, devuan is without systemd20:30
tarzeauall of it's packages are fixed to work without systemd as well?20:30
fsmithredwe fork the debian packages that require systemd20:31
fluffywolfI take it the problem is that it doesn't include an init script?20:31
fsmithredthe rest come from debian through our repo which filters out the banned packages20:31
fsmithredmeanwhile, debian is starting to drop init scripts from packages20:31
fsmithredand they should be going into an orphaned-init-scripts package20:32
fsmithrednot certain of the exact name20:32
tarzeaufsmithred: debian is not, some debian developers are maybe20:32
fsmithredlooks like beowulf, chimaera and ceres all have the same version of tinysshd20:33
tarzeauan outdated one20:33
fsmithredI didn't want to name any names20:33
tarzeauwhatever. i haven't written ini files since 25 years, and i'm not going to start again20:33
fsmithredtinysshd init script is not in orphan-sysvinit-scripts package20:35
fsmithreddid you look for one upstream?20:36
tarzeaujust shortly right now https://github.com/janmojzis/tinyssh and couldn't find one20:37
tarzeaumy initscripts are cronjob entries with @reboot to start in a gnu screen20:37
tarzeausince like 15 years :)20:37
user_____Suggest a xfce4 compatible GUI program launcher which permits sudo launch, i.e. asks for root credentials before running the payload script?22:38
user_____There;s kdesu and gksudo -- anything xfce4 themed?22:40
user_____a separate kdesu program does not exist as a package.22:41
user_____gksudo also not.22:41
user_____there's lxqt-sudo22:42
user_____which pulls in qt etc22:43
user_____Anything else?22:43
user_____I see this is a hard problem, also affecting Wayland users (can't run gui apps as root - for example gparted!)22:58
user_____okay I'll find another way, thanks22:58

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