| jelly | mason, you can ask freenode ops to join their old auto-expiry bot "eir" or the newer one, ChanTracker based, I forget the name, any of those can expire bans | 00:32 |
|---|---|---|
| jelly | otherwise, it probably makes more sense to just ban any client coming from the same ip, *!*@hostname-or-ip | 00:33 |
| mason | jelly: I'd brought that up at a Devuan meeting and the consensus was that we didn't want to set up a ban-or-quiet tracker, but we've got a bunch of notes in case that changes. | 00:34 |
| mason | My fear of *!* is that I don't want to accidentally get the next person who gets that IP, although I realize the chance is fairly small. | 00:35 |
| mason | Thank you, though, as both are good suggestions. | 00:36 |
| jelly | statistically you don't have a large enough channel to have to worry about false positives, esp. if you do change your mind about autoexpiry | 00:39 |
| jelly | personally I sleep better with eir taking care of things :-) | 00:41 |
| sn00p | I finally got a grub menu and was able to boot up but now all I have is a blinking cursor no login prompt or nothing was waiting for the lightdm but it never came any idea? | 01:01 |
| rad | Hello. I'm on Beowulf with an encrypted / partition and my Grub is unable to load the custom Devuan style, and it shows up as the standard blue grub menu. It also complains about being unable to load a specific disk before it even goes to the grub menu (and it delays the startup by doing so). When it complains it mentions a partition by UUID which I grepped for and I found it multiple times in /boot/grub/grub.cfg. Any ideas how I could edit that file? The file | 11:14 |
| rad | says it's made from files in /etc but grepping in /etc for the same partition UUID finds nothing. | 11:14 |
| rad | (btw this is a fresh install using the graphical installer) | 11:15 |
| xrogaan | rad: Have you researched debian related issues? Encryption isn't something specific to devuan. | 11:21 |
| xrogaan | My guess is that it's a debian problem. | 11:22 |
| rad | I will do that then. I thought that it seemed like an installer specific problem, maybe it set grub incorrectly up.. | 11:23 |
| xrogaan | I don't encrypt my system, mostly because I used the same /home partition since early 2000. Encryption would require me to take the time to backup then restore my stuff. | 11:23 |
| xrogaan | Ah, perhaps. Wouldn't hurt to look if other people have that kind of issue with pure debian first though. | 11:24 |
| rad | ok I need to go for a reboot to try and take a photo of the message so that I can properly search for it. :-) bbl. | 11:26 |
| gnarface | rad: the live installer is a different animal than the netinstall one | 11:27 |
| gnarface | ...well he's gone but i think that grub issue might be fixable by installing some package and running grub-install or update-grub again | 11:27 |
| gnarface | something like that, it wasn't a complicated thing | 11:28 |
| alv | .... | 14:31 |
| gnu_srs1 | The results of the General Resolution is: Option 7 "Debian will not issue a public statement on this issue" | 16:26 |
| gnu_srs1 | In my opinion that is the best possible outcome of a vote that should never have been issued :D | 16:26 |
| nemo | huh | 16:31 |
| nemo | I feel like that message above is lacking context | 16:31 |
| nemo | was there another systemd vote? | 16:31 |
| iv4nshm4k0v | nemo: Only the RMS one. | 16:37 |
| nemo | ahhh | 16:37 |
| nemo | yeah. that does sound like a dumb vote | 16:37 |
| MinceR | i don't think it matters | 16:41 |
| MinceR | deadian have already shown themselves to be an enemy to free software | 16:41 |
| MinceR | one more declaration of the same wouldn't have changed anything | 16:41 |
| MinceR | all it shows is that International Bullshit Machine still needs to cancel a bunch of people in deadian | 16:42 |
| onefang | #devuan-offtopic | 16:43 |
| gour | hello, i moved from ceres to chiamera and plan to stay on the stable in the future which i did ot do for quite some time, but wonder what do you use to regularly check whether there are some system updates available? when using unstable i was simply manually doing 'apt update', but when one is on stable it defeats the purpose to spend time doing it. | 17:26 |
| gnarface | well i still think that manual updates are the best way to go, even on stable, but there's an unattended-updates package | 17:27 |
| gnarface | oh it's called unattended-upgrades actually | 17:28 |
| onefang | To just check if updates are available I run a daily cron job that does this - apt-get update >/dev/null; apt-get upgrade --assume-no -q | 17:28 |
| gnarface | ...or you could do that | 17:28 |
| gour | well, i don't mind doing manual 'upgrade', but would like to be automatically informed when something is due | 17:29 |
| gour | onefang: ahh, that is better option | 17:29 |
| onefang | That sends me an email daily. | 17:29 |
| gnarface | yes, cron emails you any output, or sends it to the address set by the MAILTO variable if set | 17:30 |
| user____ | How does one look up a package version in a devuan release without installing the release? Specifically openscad is interesting for me now. On > Beowulf. | 17:45 |
| gnarface | pkginfo.devuan.org | 17:48 |
| user____ | I see the latest on openscad.org is openscad-2021.01.src.tar.gz | 17:48 |
| gnarface | the version in use is set by debian | 17:49 |
| user____ | Beowulf has 2019.01 which is 2 versions back. There's 2019.05 then 2021.01 | 17:49 |
| user____ | https://files.openscad.org/ reference | 17:50 |
| user____ | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=openscad so the latest is in unstable | 17:50 |
| gnarface | if their tarball has a ./debian/ directory you can build a package out of it with dpkg-buildpackage | 17:50 |
| user____ | Is it "unsafe" to install the unstable package on beowulf? | 17:51 |
| gnarface | probably | 17:51 |
| user____ | Hm. What could break? | 17:51 |
| gnarface | your next update | 17:51 |
| gnarface | of the entire system | 17:52 |
| user____ | Yeah that will be an update to chimaera and I could deinstall it manually before that. | 17:52 |
| gnarface | if it is a popular package maybe someone already put one in beowulf-backports | 17:52 |
| gnarface | the problem is when you install it, it may pull in other packages from unstable too, then you have a mess | 17:52 |
| user____ | i have beowulf-backports in the sources.list, will look. | 17:52 |
| gnarface | and also just the build version mismatches may create run-time crashes | 17:53 |
| user____ | Yeah it won't because I'll install it manually just the deb | 17:53 |
| user____ | Runtime problems are likely in case of solib problems. | 17:53 |
| user____ | Is there a glibc etc major version number jump from beo to chi? | 17:53 |
| gnarface | probably | 17:53 |
| gnarface | i dunno off the top of my head though | 17:53 |
| user____ | Sigh. | 17:53 |
| user____ | Well fsmithred will know I guess. I'll just lurk here for a while. | 17:54 |
| Tenkawa | user____: are you on beo right now? | 17:55 |
| user____ | yes | 17:55 |
| Tenkawa | whats your glibc ver#? | 17:55 |
| Tenkawa | here's what I have on my chimaera atm | 17:56 |
| Tenkawa | libc6:arm64 2.31-11 | 17:56 |
| user____ | seems to be Debian GLIBC 2.28-10 here | 17:57 |
| user____ | Tenkawa: that is the package version, ok. The lib version you get by executing the lib as root: sudo /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc-2.28.so | 17:58 |
| user____ | or similar | 17:58 |
| user____ | Thanks for the update, seems to not be a major version number jump then. | 17:59 |
| Tenkawa | yeah mine is arm but I think x86 should be running same version | 18:00 |
| user____ | Yes, for sure. | 18:01 |
| user____ | I can build openscad from source too if I have to. | 18:02 |
| user____ | gnarface: how do I find a path to a given chimaera package given I am not running it? Website? | 18:02 |
| user____ | package = .deb download | 18:02 |
| user____ | Ok, ignore, your package page links directly to what I asked. Thanks. | 18:04 |
| gnarface | you can also just add the source to your sources.list temporarily and get it with "apt-get -t chimera --download-only [package name]" | 18:05 |
| gnarface | same as with beowulf-backports | 18:06 |
| user____ | what compression are .deb files v2.0? xz? | 18:08 |
| I_am_nobody777 | user____: yeah , I recently unpacked a deb file made for debian testing , it was v2.0 and was xz compressed . | 18:10 |
| user____ | xz header at offset +x080 | 18:10 |
| user____ | sorry +0x83 | 18:11 |
| I_am_nobody777 | user____: you can use "ar" to extract the deb package . The control and data are tar archived with xz compression . | 18:13 |
| user____ | correct offset is 0x84 | 18:14 |
| user____ | I_am_nobody777: ar on the deb or on the xz in it? | 18:14 |
| I_am_nobody777 | user____: on the deb , " ar x something.deb " , x for extract . | 18:16 |
| user____ | ar t fails for now | 18:17 |
| user____ | ah ok without tampering with the header. Got it. | 18:17 |
| user____ | ok, openscad 2021.01 binary requires glibc 2.29 which I do not have | 18:21 |
| user____ | Thanks for the help I_am_nobody777 I learned something new today. | 18:21 |
| user____ | Wikipedia article on deb was open in front of me, did not read it until now. Mea culpa. | 18:22 |
| I_am_nobody777 | user____: The article's nice , reading now ... | 18:27 |
| user____ | Also interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CheckInstall | 18:27 |
| user____ | Ha, I wonder if alien still works to convert packages as is now. Last released 2016. | 18:30 |
| I_am_nobody777 | user____: hmm , looks a bit outdated , or perhaps feature complete !? . | 18:36 |
| user____ | >:-) | 18:38 |
| user____ | Famous last words, euphemism for bit rot. | 18:38 |
| user____ | bbl | 18:38 |
| I_am_nobody777 | user____: Ever heard of stow . mason mentioned it to me , I think . It might be useful for your use case . | 18:44 |
| I_am_nobody777 | Thunar shows the encrypted luks "root" partition as a mountable device , mostly because of gvfs , I guess . What can I do about this behaviour ? . | 18:59 |
| Tenkawa | I_am_nobody777: you are using a gui desktop right? | 19:06 |
| I_am_nobody777 | Tenkawa: yeah , xfce4 , chimaera . | 19:07 |
| Tenkawa | yeah you have to tell gvfs to stop automounting those | 19:07 |
| Tenkawa | just a sec | 19:08 |
| user____ | . | 19:09 |
| Tenkawa | do you have that mountpoint defined in /etc/fstab explicitly or just in your session? | 19:09 |
| user____ | I_am_nobody777: stow in what context? Package? | 19:09 |
| user____ | Oh I see it. | 19:10 |
| user____ | Strange, glibc seems to appear not installed on my beo, obviously it is installed?! | 19:10 |
| user____ | what's the essential libraries package called which contains (g)libc? | 19:11 |
| Tenkawa | libc6 | 19:11 |
| user____ | thanks | 19:12 |
| user____ | confusingly, glic-dev etc exit | 19:12 |
| Tenkawa | I_am_nobody777: you may have missed my last msg | 19:12 |
| I_am_nobody777 | Hi , sorry disconnected because of poor internet . | 19:12 |
| Tenkawa | do you have that mountpoint defined in /etc/fstab explicitly or just in your session? | 19:12 |
| Tenkawa | there's a setting that has 2 different fixes depending on your answer | 19:13 |
| Tenkawa | user____: the -dev ones are the headers, etc and such for compiling | 19:15 |
| user____ | I find the package supermin interesting. Like micro docker. | 19:15 |
| I_am_nobody777 | Tenkawa: I use t kernel parameter to point to the root device , the encrypted luks root is added to the crypttab . | 19:15 |
| user____ | Tenkawa: I know. But there's glibc-dev and also libc6-dev | 19:15 |
| user____ | there is no glibc alone though. | 19:15 |
| Tenkawa | ahhh the meta | 19:15 |
| user____ | sigh. | 19:15 |
| Tenkawa | just a sec... | 19:15 |
| Tenkawa | I_am_nobody777: ok… you can run this then to turn off auto gvfs attempts to grab that mount | 19:16 |
| I_am_nobody777 | user____: stow , as in a package . https://www.gnu.org/software/stow/ | 19:18 |
| Tenkawa | put this on your rootdev mount flag options and in fstab (be sure to test it first) | 19:18 |
| user____ | Yes, I read up on it, thanks. | 19:18 |
| Tenkawa | x-gvfs-hide | 19:18 |
| Tenkawa | gvfs won't be able to manipulate it then | 19:19 |
| Tenkawa | be sure to have a rescue disk ready to put the change back (I cant test here.. don't have luks.. I just know it works non-luks) | 19:20 |
| Tenkawa | I am overly cautious about changes like these | 19:20 |
| I_am_nobody777 | Tenkawa: be right back , testing now . | 19:21 |
| Tenkawa | ok | 19:21 |
| Tenkawa | user282069: __: | 19:23 |
| Tenkawa | apt-cache show libc6 | grep -i glibc | 19:23 |
| Tenkawa | Maintainer: GNU Libc Maintainers <debian-glibc@lists.debian.org> | 19:23 |
| Tenkawa | Source: glibc | 19:23 |
| user282069 | ~~ | 19:23 |
| Tenkawa | libc6 is glibc | 19:23 |
| user____ | sure | 19:23 |
| user____ | Easy to guess after the explanation. | 19:23 |
| Tenkawa | so many package names eh? | 19:25 |
| user____ | for the same thing <smug> | 19:25 |
| Tenkawa | indeed | 19:25 |
| user____ | Package supervisor looks interesting in the context of run-once servers and such. | 19:29 |
| I_am_nobody777 | Tenkawa: no change , I added fstab entry for the unlocked luks partition , it remounted , but still gvfs shows it as a removable mountable volume . | 19:38 |
| Tenkawa | ok… here's option 2 it said try | 19:39 |
| Tenkawa | let me get syntax | 19:39 |
| Tenkawa | gsettings set org.gnome.shell.extensions.dash-to-dock show-mounts false | 19:40 |
| Tenkawa | it "might" need sudo but not 100% sure | 19:40 |
| Tenkawa | let me startup my vm so I can test too (I'm typing from os x atm) | 19:41 |
| Tenkawa | that might be ubuntu only | 19:44 |
| Tenkawa | schema not found on my debian box | 19:44 |
| Tenkawa | let me get right schema name | 19:44 |
| I_am_nobody777 | Tenkawa: Did a apt search , installed gconf-gsetting-backend and gconf2 , but no "gsettings" binary , gsettings-data-convert and gsettings-schema-convert only shows up . what package does gsettings belong to ? | 19:50 |
| Tenkawa | thats what I am tracking now | 19:50 |
| Tenkawa | its in a collection of gnome stuff | 19:50 |
| Tenkawa | ahh.. been removed… need to find the 3rd way | 19:52 |
| Tenkawa | uggh | 19:52 |
| Tenkawa | does this workl | 19:55 |
| Tenkawa | gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.media-handling automount | 19:55 |
| Tenkawa | or sudo it? | 19:55 |
| Tenkawa | if so and its true change that to set and false | 19:55 |
| Tenkawa | oh you said no gsettings | 19:56 |
| Tenkawa | just a sec | 19:56 |
| Tenkawa | that should be in libglib2.0-bin | 19:57 |
| I_am_nobody777 | Tenkawa: It returns "true" | 19:59 |
| Tenkawa | ok | 20:00 |
| Tenkawa | run gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.media-handling automount false | 20:00 |
| Tenkawa | that should prevent it from mounting it | 20:00 |
| Tenkawa | thats the gvfs automounter | 20:00 |
| Tenkawa | make sure it says false now when you run get afterwards | 20:01 |
| Tenkawa | test it by logout/login | 20:01 |
| I_am_nobody777 | Tenkawa: returns false now . Let me logout and login | 20:02 |
| Tenkawa | ok | 20:02 |
| Tenkawa | you might need a reboot/manual unmount the first time | 20:02 |
| I_am_nobody777 | Tenkawa: rebooted and it is still there . Interesting . and the value is still false . | 20:05 |
| Tenkawa | hmmm | 20:05 |
| Tenkawa | gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.media-handling automount | 20:06 |
| Tenkawa | true | 20:06 |
| Tenkawa | odd | 20:06 |
| Tenkawa | make sure to do it as your user and sudo and save the user savings on exit | 20:07 |
| rad | Hi. So I fixed the error about grub not being able to find the theme by simply commenting out the GRUB_THEME line in /etc/default/grub and then doing update-grub. Pinging xrogaan just fyi if you care. | 20:07 |
| Tenkawa | I'm using xfce4 too | 20:07 |
| rad | Now I am trying to make the boot faster but I can't figure out how to set my FQDN, any ideas? I tried putting a line like "127.0.1.1 host.example.com host" in /etc/hosts but it didn't help. | 20:11 |
| Tenkawa | no | 20:11 |
| Tenkawa | that will confuse it bad | 20:12 |
| Tenkawa | just a sec | 20:12 |
| Tenkawa | ok.. if you are going to use 127.0.1.1 for your hostname | 20:15 |
| Tenkawa | make sure | 20:15 |
| Tenkawa | you have | 20:15 |
| Tenkawa | a 127.0.0.1 localhost entry | 20:16 |
| Tenkawa | and | 20:16 |
| rad | I had this entry "127.0.0.1 myhostname localhost" | 20:16 |
| rad | is it ok? | 20:16 |
| Tenkawa | the /etc/resolv.conf needs to point to a valid dns server | 20:17 |
| Tenkawa | no | 20:17 |
| Tenkawa | only localhost | 20:17 |
| rad | hmmm I wonder how I ended up with a bad entry, I didn't put that there. | 20:17 |
| Tenkawa | you should not use your machine name as 127.0.0.1 | 20:18 |
| rad | hey it works already! | 20:18 |
| rad | you are right, thank you! | 20:18 |
| Tenkawa | np | 20:18 |
| rad | the moment I removed it, hostname --fqdn returns the correct fqdn that I have on the 127.0.1.1 entry. | 20:18 |
| rad | Going for a reboot to see if MTA is any faster now that it won't complain about this. :-) | 20:19 |
| I_am_nobody777 | Tenkawa: Thanks for helping out . It doesn't work , Maye be the next update to gvfs might fix it .It's just a icon , I'll pretend it's not there . Thanks for your time. | 20:22 |
| Tenkawa | np sorry it didnt work for you | 20:22 |
| Tenkawa | oh is it just the icon? | 20:23 |
| Tenkawa | are you sure its mounting? | 20:23 |
| Tenkawa | have you opened a terminal and just ran sudo mount? | 20:24 |
| rad | Devuan now boots much faster. MTA loads in less than a second. | 20:24 |
| Tenkawa | I thought it was actually mounting | 20:24 |
| fsmithred | # Keep encrypted volumes off the desktop | 20:24 |
| Tenkawa | rad: excellent | 20:24 |
| fsmithred | ^^^ first line of a note to myself in fstab | 20:24 |
| fsmithred | # in /etc/udev/rules.d/99-hide-partitions.rules | 20:24 |
| fsmithred | #KERNEL=="sdb[2,4]", ENV{UDISKS_IGNORE}="1" | 20:25 |
| Tenkawa | good.. he could use that | 20:25 |
| fsmithred | uncomment the line in 99-hide-partition.rules | 20:25 |
| fsmithred | and of course adjust it for your own partitions | 20:26 |
| fsmithred | I_am_nobody777, ^^^ | 20:27 |
| I_am_nobody777 | Tenkawa: Oh sorry . Let me a bit more clear . The root partition is luks encrypted and is unlocked with the help of crypttab and is mount with the root= kernel parameter . The things is it's already unlocked and mounted , but gvfs shows it again. Sorry , I wasted your time . And fsmithred Thanks for the input , I shoudl use that . | 20:27 |
| Tenkawa | you built that rule didnt you? | 20:27 |
| Tenkawa | its not stock udev.. (at least not on my 8 boxes) | 20:27 |
| fsmithred | I borrowed it from somewhere | 20:28 |
| Tenkawa | ok… just making sure I wasnt seeing things | 20:28 |
| fsmithred | I know Jack Schitt about making udev rules | 20:28 |
| Tenkawa | nice udev rule btw | 20:28 |
| fsmithred | I can't comment on its elegance or lack thereof, but it works. | 20:28 |
| xrogaan | rad: that's rad! (wink wink) | 20:29 |
| xrogaan | Alright, I'm seeing myself out. | 20:29 |
| rad | ^_^ | 20:29 |
| fsmithred | yeah, this is what a year of lockdown does | 20:29 |
| Tenkawa | fsmithred: ugggh dont get me started | 20:29 |
| Tenkawa | I'm losing my mind | 20:30 |
| fsmithred | here's an even better rule: #KERNEL=="sd[a,c][2-3]", ENV{UDISKS_IGNORE}="1" | 20:30 |
| fsmithred | There were a lot of icons on my desktop | 20:30 |
| Tenkawa | I am not good at idling at home so I have learned a lot of new helpful pointers…. bbialw all | 20:32 |
| Tenkawa | afk | 20:32 |
| I_am_nobody777 | and voila , finally it's not there. I thought it has to do with gvfs , but it goes all the way to udev . | 20:36 |
| I_am_nobody777 | fsmithred: Thanks , and the other day about deb package dependencies , changing libunarr to libunarr1 worked . | 20:38 |
| fsmithred | I assume you're running xfce, which used to be able to tell the difference between removable and fixed drives. I don't know where the change happened. | 20:39 |
| fsmithred | oh, good. | 20:39 |
| fsmithred | that should probably get a bug report upstream | 20:39 |
| fsmithred | I_am_nobody777, what was the package that wanted libunarr? | 20:41 |
| I_am_nobody777 | fsmithred: should I report it ? . yacreader , a comic book reader and library manager , | 20:43 |
| I_am_nobody777 | https://www.yacreader.com/ | 20:43 |
| fsmithred | oh, it's not in debian repos? | 20:43 |
| I_am_nobody777 | nope , there are PPA and deb package , hosted by opensuse!? | 20:46 |
| Y_Plentyn | Hi... | 20:49 |
| Y_Plentyn | do you have any packages for webkit2gtk patched against CVE-2021-1871? | 20:49 |
| fsmithred | I_am_nobody777, they may or may not know about it. There is a list of third-party packages for different distros, and I see one for mxlinux. I'll bet that one works just fine. | 20:51 |
| fsmithred | Y_Plentyn, looks like we use debian versions of libwebkit2gtk | 20:53 |
| fsmithred | 2.30.6-1~deb10u1 in beowulf | 20:53 |
| fsmithred | libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37 | 20:54 |
| Y_Plentyn | fsmithred: CVE-2021-1871 is patched in 2.32.0-1 in experimental in debian | 20:54 |
| fsmithred | sometimes security patches get ported to older versions, but I don't know how you find out if that's going to happen or not. | 20:56 |
| fsmithred | until it happens | 20:56 |
| I_am_nobody777 | fsmithred: ok , Thanks . I'll just sent a mail and inform them , they may explain a bit . I searched debian package , there is only libunarr1 and libunarr-dev but no "libunarr" . | 20:56 |
| Y_Plentyn | and that again is dependant (via xdg-desktop-portal-gtk) on dbus | 20:56 |
| fsmithred | I_am_nobody777, same in ubuntu | 20:56 |
| Y_Plentyn | (which I avoided using up to now) | 20:57 |
| rad | Is there a way to uninstall the packages installed with tasksel? I've unchecked the packages inside tasksel to remove them but I have a load of leftovers. Not sure what keeps them installed and why they are not picked by autoremove. | 20:58 |
| I_am_nobody777 | fsmithred: I'll inform you , if they reply . until we meet again . | 20:59 |
| fsmithred | thanks | 20:59 |
| Korgi | Hello, new Devuan user here. I was attempting to install Devuan for the for time lastnight, using the "Chimera" installer .iso but ran into a bit of a hickup. After inputting my preffered language and keyboard layout I got another window saying that my system required some non-free firmware and asked me to insert media with the firmware files to | 21:00 |
| Korgi | continue. The majority of said non-free firmware seems to have been related to wifi, wich I definately need to run in order to have internet access since I don't have a wired connection to my router. I was told that you guys have been dealing with this issue recently, and was directed to join here and ask about it. I was also told that one of the | 21:00 |
| Korgi | "refacta experimental iso's" may work better for me, so if someone has a link and thinks it would help I would definately be willing to give it a shot. | 21:00 |
| walex | rad: 'tasksel' is designed to do root setup, not pick-and-choose deinstallation. | 21:00 |
| walex | rad: use Aptitude to do pick-and-choose deinstallation including of redundant packages | 21:00 |
| fsmithred | rad, not tasksel itself but task-desktop and task-*-desktop | 21:00 |
| walex | rad: I have written a guide on how to do that, link to follow | 21:01 |
| fsmithred | oh good | 21:01 |
| fsmithred | hi korgi | 21:01 |
| fsmithred | I'm still reading | 21:02 |
| walex | rad: fsmithred: http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/13-one.html?130414#130414 | 21:02 |
| Korgi | Sorry about the long post, was trying to compress about 2 hours of back n forth discussion from discord lastnight xD | 21:02 |
| fsmithred | thanks | 21:02 |
| fsmithred | ok, first thing, korgi | 21:02 |
| walex | The Aptitude "search"/"filter" expressions are amazingly powerful and useful. | 21:03 |
| fsmithred | ignore the screen that asks you to supply firmware | 21:03 |
| fsmithred | just ignore it, really | 21:03 |
| fsmithred | the firmware is in the installer iso and will (should) be installed automatically unless you do two things | 21:03 |
| walex | rad: in Aptide youl can select a package and use "r" to see the packages that depend on it | 21:04 |
| fsmithred | those things would be: select expert install and select a mirror. Then the installer asks if you want non-free | 21:04 |
| Korgi | Alright, so just click "no" to continue then? | 21:04 |
| fsmithred | so you can try again with the same iso. Or you can try one of the live isos - the wireless firmware is installed | 21:04 |
| fsmithred | whatever to continue. I forget what it says. | 21:05 |
| Korgi | ok | 21:05 |
| fsmithred | if you have very new hardware... | 21:05 |
| fsmithred | and the stock kernel is too old, I do have some test isos with backports kernel and wireless firmware installed. | 21:05 |
| walex | rad: also an expression like '~R(libx11|libgtk)' shows only packages that depends on packages with "libx11" or "libgtk" in their names | 21:05 |
| rad | fsmithred, example I have kwalletmanager because of ksshaskpass (I checked with "apt-cache rdepends kwalletmanager --installed") but I don't know why I have ksshaskpass. apt-cache doesn't show any installed reverse dependencies, and synaptic reports it's automatically installed. | 21:06 |
| rad | walex, thanks for the link checking it out. I'll also try the aptitude tip. | 21:07 |
| Korgi | Well it's not super new, but the mobo is from 2018 and has a built-in wifi adapter. I also have a GTX 1050ti, and an i5-8400 | 21:07 |
| walex | Korgi: by far and away the best solution to "WiFi firmware" problems is to buy an USB WiFi adapter as nearly all are based on popular Realtek chipset that are well supported by Linux drivers. | 21:07 |
| fsmithred | rad, try working the other direction and start with the deps of task-kde-desktop | 21:07 |
| walex | Korgi: at least for installation. | 21:08 |
| fsmithred | Korgi, do you know what chipset the wireless is? | 21:09 |
| walex | Korgi: I even keep aside a "standard" WiFi dongle for doing installations on laptops without Ethernet ports | 21:09 |
| Korgi | Z370 Auros Gaming Wifi is the motherboard | 21:11 |
| fsmithred | just says Intel wireless lan | 21:12 |
| fsmithred | it may or may not be installed in the live isos. I think there's one intel firmware that requires end user agreement. | 21:13 |
| Tenkawa | that appears to be a iwlwifi at first glance | 21:13 |
| fsmithred | so that wasn't installed. Same thing for a couple of the broadcoms. | 21:13 |
| fsmithred | that one is included | 21:13 |
| Tenkawa | possibly with a new revision fw | 21:13 |
| fsmithred | I think they're all included in the installer isos. | 21:13 |
| Tenkawa | missing blob | 21:13 |
| Tenkawa | dmesg | grep firmware would tell us a lot | 21:14 |
| fsmithred | for the broadcoms, for sure. I don't know if the intel is like that. | 21:14 |
| Tenkawa | yeah those show up too | 21:14 |
| Tenkawa | my i7 does | 21:14 |
| Korgi | 0.093466] Spectre V2 : Enabling Restricted Speculation for firmware calls | 21:15 |
| Korgi | [ 6.739398] iwlwifi 0000:08:00.0: loaded firmware version 29.4063824552.0 7265D-29.ucode op_mode iwlmvm | 21:15 |
| Korgi | [ 6.868350] iwlwifi 0000:08:00.0: Allocated 0x00400000 bytes for firmware monitor. | 21:15 |
| Tenkawa | especially the combo cards | 21:15 |
| Tenkawa | ok it looks like its running | 21:15 |
| Tenkawa | Korgi: see if sudo ifconfig -a returns any devices | 21:15 |
| Korgi | This is on Endeavor_Os. Not sure if it makes a difference | 21:16 |
| Tenkawa | yes | 21:16 |
| Tenkawa | it is specific to your running os | 21:16 |
| Korgi | Ah ok, yeah I can't really do that on Chimera since I havent been able to get Devuan up yet. | 21:16 |
| Tenkawa | but it does confirm the model | 21:16 |
| Tenkawa | does it not even install? | 21:17 |
| Korgi | I was stopping at the part where it asked me to supply firmware files, thought I would either break something if I continued, or it just wouldnt install things properly. | 21:18 |
| Tenkawa | can you get back to that point and record the names? | 21:18 |
| Tenkawa | I bet they were iwlwifi | 21:18 |
| Korgi | I actually took a screenshot, but i dont think thats supported in IRC. one sec | 21:18 |
| Tenkawa | sure np | 21:19 |
| Korgi | iwlwifi i 7265D-29, 26, and 23.ucdoe | 21:20 |
| Tenkawa | I'm just waiting on a kernel to build lol | 21:20 |
| Korgi | *ucode | 21:20 |
| Tenkawa | yep thats just network firmware | 21:20 |
| mason | rad: I don't see anyone mentioning this, but "aptitude why <package>" | 21:20 |
| Tenkawa | as long as you dloaded full dvd's or have wired connections you can tell it to skip for now | 21:20 |
| rad | mason, amazing, I was considering making a script to do the same thing based on apt and apt-cache... | 21:21 |
| Tenkawa | those may even be the ucode's for a diff iwlwifi than the one you have (it tries to load like 30 diff models at once to find the right one) | 21:21 |
| Korgi | Thats the problem, I don't have a wired connection. Router is halfway across the house in our room-mates room, so not feasable to drag a cord all that way. | 21:22 |
| Tenkawa | got a usb stick by chance? | 21:22 |
| Korgi | Yes, but only 1 and that is what I installed the iso on | 21:23 |
| Tenkawa | ok.. tell it to bypass this and see if it detects and tries to scan for ssids | 21:23 |
| Tenkawa | wont let you do anything else if it doesnt | 21:23 |
| Korgi | ok, I will give it a shot | 21:25 |
| Tenkawa | its a shame that those have to be kept separate but they all have to do it :( | 21:26 |
| Korgi | ok on my phone now during installation. I clicked no, when it asked for the wifi firmware and now its asking for regulatory.db iwl-debug-yoyo and ctefx-r3di. should i just click no for this one too? | 21:35 |
| fsmithred | correct | 21:36 |
| fsmithred | skip all that shit | 21:36 |
| fsmithred | after lang and keyboard, you should get network setup | 21:37 |
| Korgi | sweet looks like it found it, its displaying anyway so thats a good sign | 21:38 |
| fsmithred | yes, if it sees any wireless networks nearby, it's working | 21:38 |
| Tenkawa | indeed | 21:38 |
| fsmithred | I had a problem with the wireless password. It kept failing. | 21:39 |
| fsmithred | two ways I found to fix it. | 21:39 |
| fsmithred | 1. turn off encryption, or 2. change the password so it doesn't contain any special characters. | 21:39 |
| fsmithred | someone else had no trouble with special characters | 21:40 |
| Tenkawa | special characters especially at the beginning of a pw seem to be a interesting hiccup | 21:40 |
| fsmithred | unknown reason. Could be that we used different special characters or some difference between us and gb keyboard. I have us. | 21:40 |
| Tenkawa | fsmithred: yeah I've seen the different country keyboard problem many times in my work | 21:41 |
| Tenkawa | was really fun when I use to travel lol | 21:41 |
| Tenkawa | thank goodness I could read/write the languages | 21:42 |
| Tenkawa | speak… not as well | 21:42 |
| fsmithred | it must have worked. Korgi is silent. | 21:42 |
| Korgi | trying to get it to connect to wifi atm. does the installer work over 5g. onnections? | 21:45 |
| fsmithred | I don't know | 21:45 |
| Tenkawa | 5g cellular or wifi networking? | 21:49 |
| Tenkawa | that card will only connect to wlan wifi networks | 21:49 |
| Tenkawa | the iwlwifi one | 21:50 |
| xinomilo | having problems with iwlwifi lately.. frequent disconnects from router at random intervals.. | 21:50 |
| Korgi | wifi networking. But its failing on the slower 2g connection as well. pass js hhst letters and numbers | 21:50 |
| Korgi | t | 21:50 |
| Tenkawa | xinomilo: do you do the requisite iwconfig wlan0 power off trick? | 21:50 |
| xinomilo | found a suggestion in arch bugtracker : | 21:50 |
| xinomilo | options iwlmvm power_scheme=1 | 21:51 |
| xinomilo | options iwlwifi power_save=0 | 21:51 |
| Tenkawa | thats the equiv of what I just typed | 21:51 |
| Tenkawa | mine was just on the fly | 21:51 |
| xinomilo | yes, applied it yesterday , seems better today | 21:51 |
| Tenkawa | yep it turns off power savings | 21:52 |
| Tenkawa | helps my devices a lot | 21:52 |
| xinomilo | i'll probably change the card with an old atheros i keep around | 21:53 |
| Tenkawa | xinomilo: I keep changing chipsets… right now I'm on one of the more obscure realtek AC ones | 21:53 |
| Tenkawa | it seems to be working really well… got the devices originally from Odroid | 21:54 |
| Korgi | everytime i try to connect it gives a failure of key and association error. this is on both the 2g and 5g wifi networks. pass is just letters and numbers for each | 21:54 |
| Tenkawa | hmm | 21:54 |
| xinomilo | atheros is included in kernel iirc, no separate firmware- needed.. prefer that one.. | 21:55 |
| Tenkawa | are you using your keypad to enter the password? (have to ask) | 21:55 |
| Korgi | keyboard | 21:55 |
| Tenkawa | I mean the one on your keyboard | 21:56 |
| Korgi | oh, no. i can try that though | 21:57 |
| Korgi | same thing | 21:58 |
| Tenkawa | I wanted to make sure you werent.. I've had people have their numlock key on | 21:58 |
| fsmithred | are you using us keyboard layout or other? | 21:58 |
| Tenkawa | things like that can get you real quick | 21:58 |
| Korgi | us | 21:58 |
| Tenkawa | fsmithred: that was my next q | 21:58 |
| fsmithred | can you try turning off the encryption just to test it? | 21:58 |
| fsmithred | make sure you can connect. | 21:59 |
| fsmithred | or else try changing it to all lower case. That worked for me. | 21:59 |
| fsmithred | brb | 22:00 |
| Tenkawa | bbialw… need to start cooking dinner | 22:00 |
| Y_Plentyn | fsmithred: just for the record, I workarounded the above problem using equivs-control xdg-desktop-portal-gtk-dummy | 22:02 |
| Korgi | cant right now, dont have access to the router. can ask roomie for login details later | 22:02 |
| Y_Plentyn | having a remote code execution open for several months is no fun | 22:04 |
| Korgi | wait nvm it did work. i was selecting the wrong network type apparently | 22:05 |
| fsmithred | I hope it's wpa2 | 22:05 |
| Korgi | WEP aparently, WPA2 wasnt working | 22:06 |
| fsmithred | that's not very secure. It will keep out the honest people. | 22:08 |
| djph | it will? | 22:09 |
| Korgi | ok, a little confused at the partitioning section. in the previos screen i told it to use guided-use entire disk and selected the sshd i wanted it to write too. in the current screen it is displaying an overview of all my disks and there partitions. Will clicking finish partitioning and write changes to disk use the whole disk from my previous | 22:17 |
| Korgi | selection as intended? | 22:17 |
| fsmithred | Korgi, I'm not sure. I always do manual partitioning. | 22:19 |
| fsmithred | Did you look at the installer guide? | 22:19 |
| fsmithred | https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/beowulf/install-devuan | 22:20 |
| fsmithred | pictures ^^^ | 22:20 |
| Tenkawa | back for a little while | 22:32 |
| Korgi | woops, clicking the link closed the irc webpage. hate phones sometimes lol. thanks though, that was helpful. install is chugging along | 22:32 |
| Tenkawa | oh good you found out what was happening | 22:33 |
| Tenkawa | what was the problem? | 22:34 |
| Korgi | for the wifi? was using wrong type of network. the other issue was i just wasnt sure the partitioner was doing what i specified, but the installation guide cleared up that confusion | 22:35 |
| Tenkawa | ahh | 22:36 |
| Tenkawa | cool.. glad to hear its working | 22:36 |
| Korgi | it did give an error about not being able to connect to the devuan repositories,. but said i could fix it later. so i guess i cross that bridge when i come too it | 22:38 |
| Tenkawa | sometimes the repos are hard to hit… run apt-get update then try again | 22:39 |
| fsmithred | yeah, it'll probably work. deb.devuan.org give error messages and then works a few seconds later | 22:40 |
| user____ | what kind of errors? I see sometimes aptitude does not manage to reach all sites configured as new package sources. | 22:49 |
| user____ | Is this DoS? Underprovisioning? Network DoS side effect due to colocation? | 22:49 |
| Korgi | i dont remember exactly what it said, just chose the default mirror and it said it wasnt able to connect. will be able to explore this further shortly here, install is almost finished | 22:52 |
| user____ | Ok, would be interested in the type of fault, if it comes up. | 22:56 |
| Korgi | oh sweet, this comes with xfce 4.16 out of the box. thats a welcome sight | 22:58 |
| fsmithred | oh, you didn't get a network manager of any kind, did you? | 23:03 |
| Korgi | was just about to ask that. I have devuan up and running now, but there are no network options. | 23:04 |
| fsmithred | and since you only have wireless, you're not connected, right? | 23:04 |
| Korgi | yeah | 23:04 |
| fsmithred | if you know how to connect manually with wpasupplicant, go for it | 23:05 |
| fsmithred | if not... | 23:05 |
| fsmithred | I would boot the installer media, go to rescue mode, open a shell in the installed system, and apt install my-favorite-network-gui | 23:05 |
| Korgi | yeah i would have no idea offhand | 23:06 |
| fsmithred | wicd is not in chimaera. It's abandoned. | 23:06 |
| fsmithred | network-manager-gnome is a good choice. Lots of people know it. | 23:06 |
| fsmithred | connman is another choice | 23:06 |
| fsmithred | connman-gtk | 23:06 |
| fsmithred | connman-ui for the tray applet | 23:06 |
| * Tenkawa just uses the /etc/network/interfaces approach personally but thats just because he's an old unix geek | 23:06 | |
| fsmithred | that gets complicated if you roam with your laptop | 23:07 |
| fsmithred | otherwise, yeah. Static. | 23:07 |
| Tenkawa | fsmithred: nah… you cab do roaming through it with 1 line now | 23:07 |
| Tenkawa | er can | 23:08 |
| Tenkawa | my whole wpa setup is read in through that way | 23:08 |
| Tenkawa | mind you I havent left my house with a computer in over a year | 23:08 |
| fsmithred | it asks for password? | 23:08 |
| fsmithred | or you have to supply it in a command? | 23:09 |
| Tenkawa | fsmithred: you can encrypt a pw, two factor, or plain text | 23:09 |
| Tenkawa | however you want to configure it | 23:09 |
| Tenkawa | it calls other helpers | 23:10 |
| fsmithred | so when you encounter a new network, you can select it and it asks for password? | 23:10 |
| Tenkawa | easiest way is 2 lines.. ssid/psk | 23:10 |
| fsmithred | or you have to configure each network in the file? | 23:10 |
| Tenkawa | you can do that with iwconfig now | 23:11 |
| walex | yes 'wpa_supplicant" configs are pretty easy | 23:11 |
| Tenkawa | walex: yep | 23:11 |
| walex | but they are not awesomely well documented | 23:11 |
| Tenkawa | indeed | 23:11 |
| Tenkawa | powerful.. but sparsely documented I agree | 23:11 |
| walex | will shortly post links to some examples covering a rangw, wait a sec | 23:11 |
| Tenkawa | walex: you been around long enough to remember using radius in conjunction with this? | 23:12 |
| Tenkawa | now | 23:13 |
| walex | I hve been around a looooooong time, but never used RADIUS on a laptop/client, only on servers | 23:13 |
| Tenkawa | now "that" was brutal | 23:13 |
| Tenkawa | I ran an isp… that was how we did billing | 23:13 |
| Tenkawa | yeah that long ago.... | 23:14 |
| walex | three examples of WPA configs: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CwDyNNCQvR/ | 23:19 |
| walex | they are pretty much boilerplate, and 'wpa_supplicant' will match them to SSIDs that are available, so several can be put in a file. | 23:20 |
| walex | one can also use 'wpa_cli' or 'wpa_gui' to do dynmic configuration. | 23:21 |
| walex | 'wpa_supplicant' does not do DHCP, that must be something separately done like 'dhclient -d wlan0'. I use a 'screen' or 'tmux' for that | 23:22 |
| Korgi | Sorry if this sounds kind of newbish, but i am tring to input the /etc/network/interfaces command into the terminal, under su but i just get permission denied. while in su mode, if i type sudo /etc/network/interfaces it just gives command not found. Am i using this function incorrectly? | 23:23 |
| walex | Korgi: it is not a command but a configuration file | 23:24 |
| Korgi | ahh ok | 23:24 |
| walex | Korgi: the commands are 'ifup NAME' and 'ifdown NAME' where NAME is in the config file | 23:24 |
| walex | Korgi: but almost certainly you don't need for an install | 23:25 |
| Korgi | ok | 23:26 |
| fsmithred | do 'su -' instead of 'su' or else you will need to use full path to some commands | 23:26 |
| walex | Korgi: you probably just need 'dhclient [-d] NICNAME' | 23:26 |
| walex | Korgi: almost surely you have a DHCP server, and 'ifup' in DHCP mode just does call 'dhclient' (and various hooks, but that's not so importat at this point). | 23:27 |
| walex | Korgi: note that NAME in 'ifup NAME' as a rule is a NICNAME, like 'eth0' or 'wlan0' | 23:28 |
| Tenkawa | wpa_supplicant is just for the handshake between the wireless to wireless … but thats also why its easy to use: | 23:30 |
| Tenkawa | https://paste.debian.net/1194342/ | 23:31 |
| Tenkawa | this you put in /etc/network/interfaces | 23:31 |
| Tenkawa | note you cannot let Network Manager take control if you use this method | 23:32 |
| Tenkawa | my files use this except all with static ips | 23:33 |
| Korgi | okies, think i am going to just try the recovery mode mentioned before and see what happens | 23:33 |
| Tenkawa | Korgi: nono | 23:34 |
| Tenkawa | you forgot to type vi | 23:34 |
| Tenkawa | sudo vi | 23:34 |
| Tenkawa | to edit interfaces | 23:34 |
| Tenkawa | oh… I know what you are trying to do now | 23:35 |
| Tenkawa | Network Manager is controlling it... | 23:35 |
| Tenkawa | I neeed to go afk.. brb | 23:35 |
| fsmithred | current desktop installation does not include any network manager for the desktop | 23:36 |
| fsmithred | and if you install with wireless, you reboot to no network connection | 23:36 |
| fsmithred | if wired, you get a dhcp line for eth0 in interfaces | 23:36 |
| fsmithred | current desktop installation with the alpha chimaera installer isos | 23:37 |
| Tenkawa | no nm? odd | 23:40 |
| Korgi | oof...tried the recovery mode method, but it wont let me install any of the network managers. just says Temporary erreor resolving deb.devuan.org | 23:40 |
| fsmithred | used to be wicd | 23:40 |
| Tenkawa | ah | 23:40 |
| Tenkawa | ok gotta run.. cooking calls… bbl | 23:40 |
| fsmithred | but that's gone. Dependencies need to be adjusted | 23:40 |
| fsmithred | did you go through a successful network setup in rescue? | 23:41 |
| fsmithred | or on the way to rescue, I guess | 23:41 |
| Korgi | no. in the rescue screen, when i type apt install network-manager-gnome it nust fails to fetch anything citing the temporary failure resolving deb.devuan.org error | 23:43 |
| fsmithred | did you reboot in the installer, or did you reboot rescue mode from the hard drive? | 23:43 |
| Korgi | the hdd, does it need to be with the installation usb? | 23:44 |
| fsmithred | reboot from usb | 23:44 |
| fsmithred | Advanced | 23:44 |
| Korgi | ok | 23:44 |
| fsmithred | Rescue | 23:44 |
| fsmithred | I think it asks if you want to mount the hard drive and open a shell there. You do. | 23:45 |
| fsmithred | you'll go through language, keyboard and network setups, just like an install | 23:46 |
| walex | sync | 23:51 |
| Korgi | it says "network autoconfiguration failed. Your network is probably not using the DHCP protocol." | 23:51 |
| walex | Korgi: does your network have a DHCP server? | 23:52 |
| fsmithred | I think we know it is because you were able to install | 23:52 |
| Korgi | i have no idea how i would determine that. should just be your average home wifi connection | 23:53 |
| fsmithred | did you assign a specific ip address, or did you let it pick one? | 23:53 |
| walex | Korgi: let's do some simple test,s open a terminal window | 23:53 |
| Korgi | i just hit continue and let it use whatever it does by default | 23:54 |
| fsmithred | alt-f2 | 23:54 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that would be dhcp | 23:54 |
| fsmithred | try again | 23:54 |
| Korgi | can net.ask be left at default value? | 23:56 |
| Korgi | mask | 23:56 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 23:56 |
| fsmithred | why are you there? | 23:56 |
| Korgi | it asks for netmask right after ip | 23:57 |
| fsmithred | oh, you're setting a static ip? Is that what you did for the install? | 23:58 |
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