| rwp | Oh we are not in -offtopic? (me peers close...) Oh! | 00:00 |
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| rwp | Back on topic I would boot a different boot media and then run smartctl on it. And if that reported all okay I would probably dd if=/dev/sdX of=/dev/null ibs=64M and let it read the entire disk once and then smartctl selftest it again. | 00:01 |
| rwp | And then use it if it all checks out. But given the odd symptoms reported so far I expect that something is failing about it. | 00:01 |
| rwp | I also know that lfh reported being unable to boot if the disk was connected at all. And that is a symptom of a controller failure that I have seen myself before. | 00:04 |
| fsmithred | some motherboard switch the order of the drives when you plug in usb, and sometimes grub and kernel don't agree on which drive is first | 00:14 |
| crashoverride | fsmithred: that's a feature, not a bug. | 00:48 |
| crashoverride | fsmithred: it's used to seed the pseudorandom algo. | 00:48 |
| lfh | rwp: the problem is that nothing at all can boot from a livemedia when the disk is plugged in (figuring out the disk was the problem was one of the issues). I was planning to wipe it and use something (debootstrap was suggested) to install from another computer, then plug it in, as others had previously recommended. | 02:27 |
| lfh | Anyone's allowed to see anything as a personal attack all they want, of course. Being offended over everything is very fashionable these days. | 02:28 |
| ShorTie | you just need to wipe it i'd guess | 02:28 |
| lfh | following rwp's suggestions I'll try doing SMART tests first, but that's the plan. Fingers crossed. | 02:33 |
| fsmithred | lfh, maybe the hd-media is what you need. Put these files on hard drive to install to hard drive: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/beowulf/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ | 02:33 |
| fsmithred | yeah, test first | 02:33 |
| lfh | thanks | 02:34 |
| fsmithred | check debian docs for how to use hd-media. I don't recall the details. | 02:34 |
| lfh | will do | 02:34 |
| neutral | can someone help me with the notification-daemon? | 02:39 |
| wizard1 | smart short test completed without any failure and the recorded data shows no logged errors as well. Time for full tests, then wipe and pray. Hopefully hd-media + debootstrap will do the thing. | 02:57 |
| fsmithred | I think the hd-media runs an installer | 02:58 |
| VLetrmx | hi, is my best option for getting sound in firefox with ALSA rather than pulseaudio compiling ff with --enable-alsa? I'm asking in case there's some devuan specific thing already provided that I'm not aware of | 12:48 |
| VLetrmx | ah ignore me, I think you already compiled it with ALSA support, cool | 12:52 |
| beagleburt | G'day from New Zealand folk! I am doing a fresh install of Beowulf 3.1.0 on a Lenovo B-40 Laptop which has a SSD 860 EVO SATA III 2.5 inch 250 GB MZ-76E250BW. I understand that I need to leave 10% of the SSD Unallocated, but I am wondering if it matters WHERE? End? Middle?..??? | 15:43 |
| buZz | beagleburt: you dont need to leave 10% of the ssd unallocated | 15:43 |
| buZz | beagleburt: tell whoever told you that to learn from newer sources ;) | 15:43 |
| buZz | ssd's already manage -all- that internally without a user needing to do anything | 15:44 |
| lts- | AFAIK it is still a good idea to leave some free space within the filesystem, but you can surely allocate all disk for the filesystem just fine | 15:44 |
| lts- | (Though I usually cut it a bit short, in case I want to RAID it later with a disk that may be slightly smaller) | 15:45 |
| buZz | a 250GB SSD will already be 300-350GB of flash | 15:45 |
| buZz | it will move around the '250GB FS' you made on it a lot , just to keep functional | 15:45 |
| buZz | if a 250GB SSD was actually 250GB , it would have dataloss within a month | 15:45 |
| buZz | watch this talk ; https://hackaday.com/2013/12/29/hacking-sd-card-flash-memory-controllers/ | 15:46 |
| beagleburt | buZz, It is not a very new SSD...? | 15:46 |
| buZz | and never trust any flash storage ever again | 15:47 |
| buZz | beagleburt: yes, it is | 15:47 |
| beagleburt | buZz, Hmmm? I am sure that I've had it for quite a while ...1-2 years? | 15:48 |
| buZz | beagleburt: the 'you must keep free space' on ssd's mantra applies to WAY older ssds | 15:54 |
| buZz | ever since ~2000 SSD firmwares handle all that themselves | 15:54 |
| beagleburt | buZz, Oh? I did not realise that...thank you for updating me. :-) | 16:02 |
| Akuli | after installing another linux distro for dual-boot, devuan boots about 30sec slower than before, it seems to be stuck at something before init starts | 19:34 |
| Akuli | replacing 'quiet' with 'text' in the linux line of grub, i get this: (sorry about picture of screen) https://i.imgur.com/FMzFejj.jpg | 19:35 |
| rwp | Hmm... That does look odd. I wonder why? | 19:38 |
| rwp | I see that /dev/sdb is removable storage. Same result without it plugged in? That's the only idea I have though. | 19:39 |
| Akuli | where do you see sdb? | 19:40 |
| rwp | Nine lines up from the bottom of your photo of the boot. | 19:40 |
| Akuli | hm | 19:40 |
| Akuli | i wonder what that is :D i don't have usb stick plugged in | 19:41 |
| Akuli | and sdb doesn't show up in lsblk | 19:41 |
| rwp | "If only I had time..." then I would like to pick apart the initramfs start scripts and understand them in detail. It would be useful. | 19:41 |
| rwp | For me there is always a pause at LVM start (waiting for lvmetad [lv meta d]) which is annoying. But happens with all Linux based distros. | 19:43 |
| Akuli | this might have something to do with the other distro using lvm | 19:43 |
| Akuli | afaik i didn't use lvm when installing devuan | 19:43 |
| rwp | Hmm... Regarding my comment... I always see it saying that it is waiting to contact the lvmetad. I don't see how the other distro using LVM would affect this one. | 19:44 |
| rwp | Is your photo the output with the "debug" kernel command line option? Did it write a log to /run/initramfs/initramfs.debug ?? | 19:45 |
| Akuli | the only thing i changed from whatever is default in devuan was replacing "quiet" with "text" in grub | 19:46 |
| Akuli | there are two files in /run/initrams.fs, fsck.log and fsck-root | 19:46 |
| Akuli | in /run/initramfs/, that is | 19:47 |
| rwp | Try adding "debug" to the kernel boot line and then booting and seeing if some clue shows up in the initramfs.debug file. https://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug#Saving_debug_information | 19:47 |
| rwp | Also this reference suggests exactly what I would suggest: https://askubuntu.com/questions/469246/how-to-debug-initramfs-scripts | 19:48 |
| Akuli | do i add it to the same grub line as "text" or "quiet"? | 19:48 |
| Akuli | the line that says "linux ..." | 19:49 |
| rwp | Yes. In place of quiet would be good. You can do that as a one time on-the-fly thing by booting and editing the grub boot line. | 19:49 |
| rwp | If at the GRUB boot count down screen you hit a key the count down stops. | 19:49 |
| rwp | Then you can use the up and down arrows to position on the entry you want to use. Then 'e' to edit that entry. Change it as desired. | 19:50 |
| Akuli | right, i already did that for "text" parameter | 19:50 |
| rwp | Then I think it says at the bottom the funky to use to boot that entry. C-x??? I don't remember off the top of my head. | 19:50 |
| Akuli | yeah | 19:50 |
| Akuli | switching to different computer now | 19:51 |
| rwp | To make permanent changes of course one can edit the /etc/default/grub file and then run update-grub to have it rebuild the /boot/grub/grub.cfg file for a persistent change. | 19:54 |
| rwp | I always get rid of "splash" because it annoys me that people turn these into black boxes. If something is failing at boot I want to know about it and fix it! | 19:55 |
| Akuli | content of initramfs.debug https://termbin.com/ao1n | 19:56 |
| Akuli | unfortunately no output between the repeating lines | 19:56 |
| rwp | And it is in there that the pause is happening? | 19:58 |
| Akuli | yes, it spends most of the time repeating those lines | 19:58 |
| rwp | In that case I would unpack the initramfs, review the scripts, insert debug, and work the problem that way. | 19:58 |
| Akuli | hm | 20:00 |
| Akuli | i deleted my swap partition while i installed the other distro | 20:00 |
| Akuli | i hadn't actually used it for a long time, i just commented it out in devuan fstab | 20:00 |
| rwp | However as I recall the right command to pack up an initramfs is "find . -print | cpio -R 0:0 -o -H newc | gzip > foo-initrd.gz" but my note says 2012 so that may have changed since then. | 20:00 |
| Akuli | :D | 20:00 |
| Akuli | my /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume contains the uuid of what used to be the swap partition | 20:01 |
| Akuli | and it no longer exists | 20:01 |
| rwp | Commenting out a swap partition in /etc/fstab should be okay as far as that goes. | 20:01 |
| rwp | Oh! | 20:01 |
| rwp | Yes. That could be it. | 20:01 |
| Akuli | i need to be afk for 30min or something like that, i'll continue when i'm back | 20:01 |
| rwp | TTYL! But I think your swap resume finding is very likely on the trail! | 20:02 |
| rwp | I had completely forgotten about that reference to swap for suspend and resume operation. | 20:02 |
| rwp | But for various reasons I think it is important and useful to have at least some amount of non-swapfile swap configured. | 20:03 |
| Akuli | i disabled swap because oom handling becomes much better | 20:33 |
| Akuli | instead of freezing the world, the memory allocation will fail and the program that tried to allocate a huge amount of memory will crash | 20:34 |
| rwp | But, but, but... That's not actually how Linux memory overcommit works. | 20:38 |
| Akuli | :) | 20:39 |
| Akuli | it works in practice, at least in python programs | 20:39 |
| Akuli | the most common cause for my system freezing used to be me writing a stupid python program | 20:39 |
| rwp | Well... I have no time to debate it in #devuan-offtopic at the moment but maybe later. :-) | 20:40 |
| Akuli | :) | 20:40 |
| Akuli | now it boots faster :D i set RESUME=none in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume and then ran update-initramfs -u | 20:41 |
| Akuli | thanks! | 20:41 |
| unixbsd | I managed to cure ubuntu, from systemd, and I made a devuan live also. here an example: "https://gitlab.com/openbsd98324/linux-ubuntu-groovy-standard/-/archive/master/linux-ubuntu-groovy-standard-master.zip" | 22:02 |
| unixbsd | I noticed that ubuntu with systemd, actually the systemd is such a pain | 22:02 |
| unixbsd | systemd makes sure that you can never get wifi working. | 22:02 |
| unixbsd | I was happy to use devuan, but still devuan s**cks for wifi/wireless like all the linux areas. | 22:03 |
| unixbsd | BSD rocks with wifi and networking x1000 times better than Linux. | 22:03 |
| unixbsd | Systemd and Linux managed to contribute to make Linux even worst - could it be possible? yep, they managed. | 22:03 |
| unixbsd | devuan managed with rose and all networking to have 3 to 10 times a single wpa connection, man, devuan is a real danger for routers. | 22:06 |
| unixbsd | cd /join #ubuntu | 22:10 |
| sadsnork | Is it golinux_ that manages the dev1galaxy forums? If it is of any concern, the time on the host running the forums seems to be about 7 minutes fast. Just sayin'. :-) | 22:45 |
| golinux | sadsnork: rrq handles the mysteries of the forum's backend. | 22:46 |
| sadsnork | Awesome, thanks for highlighting him/her for me golinux! | 22:48 |
| golinux | He's just waking up about now . . . | 22:48 |
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