| fsmithred | Junicchi, I meant nvidia-persistenced | 00:03 |
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| fsmithred | add '--no-install-recommends' to the command | 00:04 |
| furrywolf | what mirror should I be using for a devuan install? it's defualting to us.mirror.devuan.org, which is awol. | 02:46 |
| furrywolf | a devuan jessie install, that is. | 02:48 |
| furrywolf | for that matter, how do I manually enter a mirror? it only seems to let me pick from the two options (us.mirror and auto.mirror), not enter one. | 02:49 |
| furrywolf | ah, I have to enter it on the country screen. | 02:50 |
| golinux | furrywo | 02:50 |
| golinux | oops | 02:50 |
| furrywolf | ok, changed to pkgmaster, that seems to work. | 02:50 |
| golinux | furrywolf: https://www.devuan.org/os/packages Everything you need to know is there. | 02:51 |
| golinux | No don't use that. because it will slow down syncing the mirrors. | 02:51 |
| AMIKIA1L11 | Hello! I Am running runit on Devuan, how to I add a service to run on boot, It seems to be configured differently then how it is done on void | 02:51 |
| mason | AMIKIA1L11: man update-rc.d | 02:53 |
| furrywolf | meh. it fetched packages, but it can't install them? ctrl-alt-f4 shows apt complaining about authentication issues? | 02:53 |
| mason | AMIKIA1L11: And man 8 service, which I didn't realize was written by work. | 02:53 |
| AMIKIA1L11 | Lmao this is cool | 02:53 |
| golinux | jessive is in archive repo | 02:53 |
| golinux | jessie | 02:54 |
| AMIKIA1L11 | so runit basically is a wrapper around sysvinit in its current configuration on devuan? | 02:54 |
| mason | AMIKIA1L11: Oh, you're using runit? I've not run that in De*an, so I've got no valid advice there, sorry! | 02:54 |
| furrywolf | https://imgur.com/a/00skMUk what do I do about this? I don't see any actual errors, just the authentication warning. | 02:56 |
| furrywolf | also, it seems to be installing i686 packages, but I explicitly picked i386? the cpu in the box this is going to end up in does not have 686 instructions. | 02:57 |
| mason | furrywolf: Is that a conversion? | 02:57 |
| furrywolf | ? | 02:57 |
| mason | furrywolf: Is that a conversion from Debian, a fresh install, or something else? | 02:58 |
| golinux | furrywolf: Jessie is here deb http://archive.devuan.org/merged jessie main | 02:58 |
| furrywolf | I'm trying to install jessie (the last release to have an actual i386 build that does not require a 686, at least according to debian) in a vm on a hard drive that will be put into a box that has no removable media options. | 02:58 |
| mason | furrywolf: I see devuan-keyring in the list, and that might be a sticking point if you don't already have the keys available. | 02:58 |
| furrywolf | it's a fresh install. that's the ctrl-alt-f4 vt of the installer. | 02:58 |
| golinux | We hae i368 isos available | 02:59 |
| mason | I'm guessing (just guessing) that an inability to authenticate the packages is an issue with their signatures caused by your not having the keys available. | 02:59 |
| furrywolf | yes. I used the i386 netinst iso. it seems to be trying to install i686 packages. :P | 02:59 |
| furrywolf | I'm installing devuan_jessie_1.0.0_i386_NETINST.iso | 02:59 |
| golinux | Name of iso please | 02:59 |
| mason | furrywolf: i686 *is* 32-bit and is probably what you want, or do you mean actual i386? | 03:00 |
| golinux | You are using the wrong address | 03:00 |
| golinux | in sources | 03:00 |
| furrywolf | mason: I want actual i386. the box it'll be going in has an original pentium mmx. according to debian, jessie is the last build where i386 will run on a pentium. | 03:00 |
| mason | furrywolf: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2015/09/msg00589.html | 03:00 |
| golinux | Jessie is here deb http://archive.devuan.org/merged jessie | 03:00 |
| furrywolf | I don't know how to edit sources for the installer, other than entering a mirror name? | 03:01 |
| mason | furrywolf: You can do a chroot install, worst case. | 03:01 |
| golinux | Install from the desktop-live iso. | 03:01 |
| mason | furrywolf: So, it's Pentium MMX. Hardware. I'd recommend taking the disk and doing a chroot-based install from some other system where you can attach the disk. | 03:02 |
| furrywolf | boot the iso in the vm and install it onto the drive that way? why not use the installer? | 03:02 |
| mason | Or if there's a live ISO you can boot, do that,s ure. | 03:02 |
| golinux | Then change the sources.list after you install to upgrade. | 03:02 |
| furrywolf | mason: that's what I'm doing now, but instead of using a chroot install, I'm using a virtual machine to boot the installer and install onto the disk. | 03:02 |
| mason | furrywolf: Maybe it's possible to change the mirror used, but might be better to get a full image, install from that, and then modify after boot. | 03:03 |
| furrywolf | I may need to use actual debian, if the devuan i386 images are actually i686... | 03:03 |
| furrywolf | trying with archive. instead of pkgmaster. now. | 03:04 |
| furrywolf | I have a slow connection; trying takes a bit. heh. | 03:05 |
| furrywolf | (it's slowly downloading the Release files) | 03:05 |
| furrywolf | and that just failed with a bunch of 404s. | 03:06 |
| furrywolf | I'm getting the feeling that no one has installed jessie lately. :) | 03:06 |
| mason | I didn't start with Devuan until ASCII. | 03:06 |
| rrq | furrywolf: it might be better to install using the dvd without mirror and then possibly try upgrading towards archive | 03:07 |
| rrq | or the CD if you don't really need desktop | 03:07 |
| furrywolf | I pay around $5/GB, so I really do not want to download a dvd. lol | 03:08 |
| furrywolf | and now it fails with the exact same thing I pasted the screenshot of earlier. | 03:08 |
| furrywolf | using archive. instead of pkgmaster. did not help. | 03:09 |
| furrywolf | is jessie no longer installable? | 03:10 |
| * furrywolf starts the installer over from scratch just in case something got cached | 03:11 | |
| rrq | .. I'll give it a try ... i386 ... using CD without network to begin with .. | 03:11 |
| rrq | (I'll use a virtual disk rather than raw partition) | 03:12 |
| furrywolf | I'm using the netinst i386 iso | 03:14 |
| rrq | right, yes, I shoudl try that first | 03:16 |
| rrq | I'm on a fix price internet plan so the more data I get the cheaper it is per Mb :) | 03:17 |
| furrywolf | I'm on mobile data. heh. | 03:18 |
| golinux | Use the live disk. It copies exactly what is on the disc. No apt connection necessary | 03:23 |
| rrq | mmm my ISP warned about doing service after midday (in half an hour) today so I'll need to go onto a hotspot then | 03:23 |
| rrq | yes... first thing first is to relive the current experience; we'll do solutions after that | 03:23 |
| furrywolf | nope, fresh install, with archive.devuan.org, and the target reformatted, still fails with the same authentication error. | 03:24 |
| furrywolf | ( https://imgur.com/a/00skMUk if it's scrolled off people's screens) | 03:24 |
| * furrywolf chroots to target and starts playing with apt | 03:26 | |
| furrywolf | ok, chrooting to target, apt-get update, apt-get install devuan-keyring debian-archive-keyring, yes, apt-get update, seems to have fixed it. | 03:30 |
| furrywolf | so I believe jessie is uninstallable as is. probably key changes on the archive? | 03:31 |
| furrywolf | uninstallable without manual work, that is. | 03:31 |
| rrq | agree | 03:32 |
| rrq | those commands can be done in vt2 as well, using "in-target apt-get upgrade -y --force-yes" | 03:33 |
| furrywolf | I used vt2, but I had no idea there's a fancy in-target script, so just chrooted myself. lol | 03:33 |
| rrq | a bit convoluted because all output goes to vt4 while input is vt2 | 03:33 |
| AMIKIA1L11 | Can confirm with messing around | 03:34 |
| AMIKIA1L11 | in devuan runit is a wrapper like how openrc is | 03:34 |
| AMIKIA1L11 | thats really cool implimentaiton | 03:34 |
| AMIKIA1L11 | Me gusta | 03:34 |
| furrywolf | next question: why is the installer pulling in i686 versions of some packages instead of i386, even though I'm installing i386 and manually selected a 586 kernel instead of the 686 one? | 03:35 |
| gnarface | because the developers threw away all their i386 machines and aren't paying attention anymore? | 03:36 |
| furrywolf | is it doing some automagic detection and detecting that the vm I'm installing in is a modern cpu? | 03:36 |
| furrywolf | that's quite possible. :P | 03:36 |
| gnarface | well if it's qemu you can tell it to fake the cpu | 03:36 |
| furrywolf | it is qemu, yes. | 03:37 |
| furrywolf | which I've never used before, and still don't know how to fully use. :) | 03:37 |
| gnarface | i'm no pro but you should be able to make it pretend to be any arbitrary cpu that has a subset of your host cpu's functionality | 03:37 |
| furrywolf | it's installing the 280ish standard system utilities packages now. | 03:37 |
| AMIKIA1L11 | is there any guides for making devuan more secure? | 03:37 |
| gnarface | man page says run it with "-cpu help" to get a list of supported cpus | 03:38 |
| furrywolf | I didn't tasksel anything else, since the target box isn't going to be a server, and sure as hell isn't running a modern desktop environment. | 03:38 |
| gnarface | AMIKIA1L11: the generic guides for securing ssh in debian should still apply to devuan | 03:38 |
| furrywolf | one the installer is done, I need to swap the drive into the actual box and see if it even boots. | 03:39 |
| furrywolf | there are many, many reasons it could fail to boot. heh. | 03:39 |
| furrywolf | among them putting a 128GB SSD, that's actually m.2 ssd in a PATA adapter shell, into a pentium box that came with a 2GB hard drive. lol | 03:40 |
| furrywolf | new install boots in the vm, time to try on real hardware. | 03:43 |
| gnarface | good luck | 03:47 |
| gnarface | if it doesn't work, i'd try to see what happens if the vm is forced to a 386 cpu | 03:47 |
| furrywolf | grub error: attempt to read or write outside of disk 'hd0'. | 03:48 |
| furrywolf | I might need to re-install with a small boot partition at the start of the drive... | 03:49 |
| gnarface | hmm, seems possible | 03:51 |
| gnarface | max 2GB boot partition was a common bios limitation back then | 03:51 |
| furrywolf | I can ls / from the grub prompt, but get that error again if I ls /boot | 03:52 |
| rrq | going real fancy, you'll arrange to edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/pkgsel.postinst of the installer (via nano at vt2) and add --force-yes after -y on lines 90 and 153 | 03:53 |
| furrywolf | whomever maintains the archived installer images (I'm guessing no one) should do that. :) | 03:54 |
| furrywolf | looks like I'm doing a reinstall with a separate /boot | 03:54 |
| rrq | yeah one of the teams in the jessie installation support department ;) | 03:54 |
| rrq | would you be into trying an extlinux boot ? | 03:56 |
| furrywolf | I don't know what that is. | 03:57 |
| furrywolf | should I not wipe the drive like I'm about to do? :P | 03:57 |
| rrq | might be a possible alternative with the current image yes | 03:58 |
| rrq | does it boot up in qemu? | 03:58 |
| rrq | currently .. with grub | 03:58 |
| furrywolf | yes | 03:59 |
| rrq | the trial path would be to install extlinux as per its instructions and make it boot up with that (alternative boot solution) | 03:59 |
| rrq | I'll try to find a url | 04:00 |
| furrywolf | would this be better than just making sure I have /boot within the apparant bios limitations? | 04:00 |
| rrq | not sure .. maybe do follow your instinct/idea first and have this as an extra next option if it comes to it | 04:01 |
| rrq | then I can have lunch :) | 04:02 |
| furrywolf | lol | 04:02 |
| rrq | fwiw, non-expert on installation, at the partitioning dialog, go to vt2 and type "sed -i 's/-y /-y --force-yes /' /var/lib/dpkg/info/pkgsel.postinst" (without the double quotes) ... then it only complains without breaking about the lack of jessie-security... | 04:32 |
| furrywolf | or rebuild the install images with the correct keys. | 04:33 |
| furrywolf | yay, it boots! | 04:40 |
| gnarface | the magic trick was just a boot partition smaller than 2GB? | 04:41 |
| furrywolf | setting the keymap takes like five minutes. googling says this can happen on first boot or if the rtc is wonky. | 04:41 |
| furrywolf | I used a 2GB one, but I probably could have used larger. the laptop had a 12GB HDD in it. I could probably also have used a lot smaller, but I figured spare space is fine. | 04:41 |
| furrywolf | since /boot has a whole 29MB in it. :P | 04:42 |
| furrywolf | mitsubishi cr2032s put out about 25 times the current as the cheap chinese ones I tested. | 04:43 |
| furrywolf | grr, wrong window | 04:43 |
| furrywolf | now that I know the laptop boots, time to install X and such. my wifi adapter isn't here yet, so going to plug the drive back into this box and use the vm. | 04:46 |
| gnarface | i expect setting a unicode locale is going to take a long time on that thing too, maybe make sure to take care of that in the VM as well | 04:50 |
| furrywolf | what dm should I install? | 04:53 |
| furrywolf | that's only if you want all the packages on disc, with no downloads. | 05:00 |
| furrywolf | grr, wrong window | 05:00 |
| furrywolf | on a mostly-unrelated issue, when trying to set up qemu, I ran into polkit issues, on this beowulf install. | 05:02 |
| furrywolf | with virt-manager, that is. | 05:03 |
| gnarface | video hardware features will dictate a lot about what the window manager experience will be like | 05:10 |
| furrywolf | I know what wm I'm using... already installed icewm. I was asking about the dm. I went with lightdm, since the name sounded good. :P | 05:11 |
| gnarface | the session manager you mean? when someone says "dm" i'm never sure if they mean "wm" or "sm" | 05:11 |
| gnarface | lightdm is known to have fewer video driver problems than slim | 05:12 |
| gnarface | probably a good choice | 05:12 |
| gnarface | i'd fall back on xdm if it doesn't work out | 05:12 |
| furrywolf | it's a minimally-featured slow-as-fuck neomagic chip. | 05:12 |
| furrywolf | the most impressive part is when something clears the terminal, you can actually watch the progress of it clearing it. :P | 05:12 |
| gnarface | just avoid compositing | 05:13 |
| furrywolf | icewm is not compositing. | 05:13 |
| golinux | A monitor just went to sleep during an fsck at boot. Is there a way to wake it up? | 07:10 |
| adhoc | does it have buttons on the front/side ? | 07:11 |
| golinux | on-off | 07:11 |
| golinux | I turn it back on and it goes back to sleep in seconds | 07:12 |
| golinux | Actually it does have little buttons | 07:12 |
| golinux | I haven't played much with this machine in years. | 07:13 |
| adhoc | does it actually display the fsck before it goes to sleep | 07:13 |
| adhoc | ? | 07:13 |
| golinux | Let me turn it on and start pushing them | 07:13 |
| golinux | Yes, it started and was going really slow so I wandered off for maybe 5 minutes | 07:14 |
| golinux | I just can't get the screen back. Monitor keeps turning off. | 07:15 |
| golinux | And doesn't show the screen when I turn it on | 07:15 |
| golinux | Ah loose dvi connection | 07:18 |
| adhoc | heh | 07:18 |
| adhoc | golinux: things are booting/working now ? | 07:29 |
| gnarface | to disable dpms sleep until next reboot in the fashion that gets around the most known documented historical dpms bugs: xset dpms 0 0 0 | 07:54 |
| gnarface | (documented and undocumented, actuallY) | 07:54 |
| golinux | adhoc: yes. | 08:55 |
| golinux | Need to put that old machine to good use. | 08:56 |
| adhoc | screen in those little thumbscrews so it doesn't pop out again =) | 09:00 |
| adhoc | >_< | 09:00 |
| gour | morning. what do you think about: https://ariadne.space/2021/03/25/lets-build-a-new-service-manager-for-alpine/ ? | 09:20 |
| jklake | How is devuan supposed to be pronounced? DEV-ONE or DEV-UAN? | 13:35 |
| buZz | i use the latter | 13:36 |
| jklake | Is there an official stance on pronunciation or will the devs not care if I pronounce it as either? | 13:37 |
| lts- | Seems dev-one is the more favoured one, also included in domains like dev1galaxy.org | 13:39 |
| jklake | It sounds kinda french like when you pronounce it as DEV-ONE. | 13:40 |
| lts- | deh-vuh-an feels most natural to me | 13:40 |
| buZz | here's a nice 2015 thread about pronounciation ; https://groups.google.com/g/alt.usage.english/c/HU7CpMQ0fzQ?pli=1 | 13:41 |
| jklake | Since devuan is starting early on getting debian 11 un-systemd, I assume next devuan will be released around the same time as debian 11? | 13:41 |
| jklake | Thanks buZz for the link | 13:42 |
| buZz | i'd assume it'll be 3-6 months after debian 11 release | 13:42 |
| IanJ | Are the devuan releases becomming more difficult with the increasing adoption of systemd or is it remaining the same amount of effort? | 13:45 |
| jklake | I think the only thing more difficult is staying mainstream without systemd. You'll never see slackware be mainstream at this rate. Doesn't mean devuan or slackware are bad distros, just will never be mainstream. | 13:45 |
| IanJ | By mainstream do you mean popularity wise? | 13:46 |
| jklake | What else would a measurement of mainstream be other than popularity? | 13:47 |
| IanJ | A fork of debian was never going to be mainstream. | 13:48 |
| jklake | The average joe just doesn't care about issues like systemd as long as systemd works. | 13:48 |
| IanJ | I assume the reasons weren't anything to do with popularity but rather to maintain integrity. | 13:48 |
| IanJ | Linux has always been about choice for me. When everyone is heading in one direction due to a piece of software then there's not really a choice. That was my reason for switching to devuan after many years as a debian user. | 13:49 |
| jklake | Slackware 15 is coming out this year, so I might stick to that. If not, devuan is definitely on the table for an option. | 13:50 |
| IanJ | I was just wondering if things were becoming more difficult for the developers over time, or if the effort was remaining about the same. | 13:50 |
| IanJ | I started with slackware many years ago. | 13:50 |
| jklake | Does there exist software that outright requires systemd? It's just an init system, I couldn't imagine a program needing systemd as a dependency. | 13:50 |
| IanJ | If it was easy to change the init system then devuan wouldn't exist. | 13:51 |
| IanJ | Patches have to be made to packages to make it work. | 13:51 |
| jklake | Can you give a specific please | 13:52 |
| IanJ | I presume because they have certain dependencies on parts of systemd. You would have to ask the developers. | 13:52 |
| IanJ | I guess you're not one but are answering my questions on their behalf. :) | 13:53 |
| jklake | Systemd feels like pseudo DRM at times. | 13:53 |
| xinomilo | anyone knows what's the purpose of xscreensaver-systemd ? | 13:53 |
| xinomilo | xscreensaver 5.45+dfsg1-1 (chimaera/ceres) | 13:53 |
| IanJ | xinomilo: possibly to ensure it stays running. | 13:53 |
| IanJ | xinomilo: it's a guess on my part however. :) | 13:54 |
| xinomilo | installed xscreensaver as a screen-lock for openbox, and just noticed this running.... seems odd.. | 13:55 |
| IanJ | I guess it has a deamon that runs in the background to lock the screen after a given time of inactivity? | 13:56 |
| xinomilo | 2 processes, main one being : xscreensaver -no-splash | 13:57 |
| xinomilo | 2nd one : xscreensaver-systemd | 13:57 |
| IanJ | is one a subprocess of the other? | 13:57 |
| IanJ | pstree should show you | 13:58 |
| xinomilo | yes, -systemd is a subprocess | 13:58 |
| IanJ | I mean one of the screen saver processes being a subprocess of the other. | 13:59 |
| IanJ | if you're running systemd everything is a subprocess of that I think, that is pid 0. | 13:59 |
| xinomilo | yes, subprocess of the main one | 13:59 |
| xinomilo | runit here | 13:59 |
| xinomilo | `lsof -p $pid` doesn't show anything strange.. | 13:59 |
| IanJ | ah, ok | 13:59 |
| xinomilo | uses libelogind | 13:59 |
| xinomilo | anyway, probably just a "typo" for process name :D | 14:00 |
| xinomilo | hm, lsof shows this, as well : xscreensa 2108 user 8w FIFO 0,25 0t0 1091 /run/systemd/inhibit/3.ref | 14:01 |
| steve31 | Any idea when Exim4 4.92-8+deb10u6 will hit the archives? | 19:42 |
| lts- | Was there something missing from deb10u5? | 19:45 |
| steve31 | It supposedly contains patches for the recently announced exim vulnerabilities | 19:47 |
| lts- | I got u5 this morning so I assumed that was it. But looks like there is indeed u6 out now too (for Debian) | 19:48 |
| lts- | Nope, looks like u6 would be it indeed https://tracker.debian.org/news/1240323/accepted-exim4-492-8deb10u6-source-into-stable-embargoed-stable/ | 19:49 |
| steve31 | According to the Debian security mailing list u6 fixes 17 CVEs with a reference to https://www.qualys.com/2021/05/04/21nails/21nails.txt | 19:50 |
| lts- | Well, I'm not running exim anywhere but if I were, now would probably be a good time to turn off the services until patch is out | 19:51 |
| rwp | For Debian: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/exim4 | 19:52 |
| iv4nshm4k0v | u5 seemed rather minor an issue... | 19:53 |
| * iv4nshm4k0v has just updated Exim on one of two hosts | 19:53 | |
| mason | I've always been somewhat glad that I stick to Sendmail and/or Postfix. | 20:01 |
| steve31 | According to https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=exim4 u6 is available in beowulf-security | 20:02 |
| * steve31 checks his apt config | 20:02 | |
| iv4nshm4k0v | mason: So far as I can tell, Sendmail isn't known as the most secure MTA, either. (No idea about Postfix.) | 20:02 |
| mason | iv4nshm4k0v: It's got a fairly secure history all told. | 20:02 |
| steve31 | It must be an issue of repo latency | 20:22 |
| steve31 | l8r | 20:25 |
| luser979 | postfix is by Daniel Bernstein. Secure. | 21:36 |
| mason | luser979: Postfix is by Wietse Venema. | 21:51 |
| mason | We needn't mention Bernstein's mailer, which was the spiritual precursor of systemd-journald. | 21:52 |
| luser979 | oh sorry I confabbed. I ran postfix till about 2006 | 21:58 |
| luser979 | what has Bernstein's mailer got to do with our nemesis? | 21:58 |
| mason | luser979: If you remember how it did logging, it wasn't intended to be human-readable, and required a silly tool to view the logs. | 22:14 |
| mason | luser979: I think it was the first example of this kind of misfeature. | 22:14 |
| luser979 | Vaguely. | 22:15 |
| maddoc | hi guys, I have some trouble installing devuan, I get this error: "Debootstrap warning - Warning: Failure trying to run: chroot "/target" dpkg --force-depends --install /var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.46_amd.deb"... | 22:32 |
| rwp | IIRC The other problem with Bernstein's qmail was that it had a non-free license. I think that was the main reason it never became widely popular. | 22:33 |
| rwp | maddoc, What install image are you using? | 22:33 |
| maddoc | i tried with netinstall, desktop and desktop-live, same error | 22:34 |
| rwp | I have been using devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_beta3_netinstall-i386.iso as recently as today and it has been okay for me. | 22:35 |
| rwp | I'll go pull the most recent copy and try it to see if I can replicate the problem. | 22:35 |
| maddoc | to make things more weird, I then tried to install plain debian, but got the same error... I have deleted and recreated the root partition (i have separate partitions for /home, /tmp and /var) but nothing change | 22:35 |
| rwp | maddoc, What installation choices are you making during the installation? | 22:36 |
| rwp | Hmm... If you have two different installers both giving the same problem that would seem to point to something outside of the installers. Hmm... | 22:36 |
| maddoc | That's what I thought, but can't really figure out what! Can it be the old UEFI partition? | 22:37 |
| rwp | I have downloaded devuan_beowulf_3.1.1_amd64_netinstall.iso and am running a test installation now. | 22:42 |
| rwp | maddoc, What did you choose for partitioning? | 22:43 |
| rwp | I suggest Guided, use entire disk. Did you do that? Or did you choose LVM, encrypted LVM, or Manual? | 22:43 |
| systemdlete | I'm running lxde on star linux 3 (Spock) and I'm having problems running gufw. It won't launch from desktop; turns out it needs a password. My regular user is in the sudo group. But even if I do run it from command line and give it the user's password, it still fails. | 22:44 |
| systemdlete | I see that "sudo gufw" will work, but it still issues errors. | 22:45 |
| systemdlete | and running it this way is not too convenient. | 22:45 |
| systemdlete | I gues I could modify the desktop file for gufw, but that also seems a bit clumsy. | 22:46 |
| rwp | What is Star Linux systemdlete? Is that a flavor of Devuan that I am not familiar with? | 22:47 |
| systemdlete | yes. It is essentially a sort of stripped down install. From there, I can add what I need. | 22:48 |
| systemdlete | Not sure of all the differences. | 22:48 |
| rwp | systemdlete, So if you run "sudo" as the user it allows you to auth and run okay? Such as for "sudo -l"? Anything look interesting in that output? | 22:50 |
| rwp | I don't know anything about gufw or ufw. | 22:50 |
| systemdlete | (gufw.py:2225): dbind-WARNING **: 13:44:54.089: Error retrieving accessibility bus address: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.a11y.Bus was not provided by any .service files | 22:51 |
| systemdlete | (WebKitWebProcess:2251): dbind-WARNING **: 13:44:55.436: Error retrieving accessibility bus address: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.a11y.Bus was not provided by any .service files | 22:51 |
| systemdlete | sorry. Was trying to paste a pastbin link | 22:51 |
| systemdlete | *fail* | 22:51 |
| systemdlete | but those are the messages | 22:52 |
| systemdlete | http://paste.debian.net/1196469/ | 22:55 |
| golinux | rwp: FYI . . . our extended Devuan "family" https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=9 | 22:55 |
| systemdlete | for some reason, lxde and parcellite are not playing too well together. | 22:55 |
| systemdlete | but golinux, most folks really don't want to see their relatives... :p | 22:56 |
| rwp | golinux, Wow! Quite a few there! Cousins showed up to dinner that I had not met before. :-) | 22:56 |
| maddoc | @rwp well, I'm trying to avoid that because I also have a dual boot setup, with windows on the other partition... I'd like to avoid having to backup everything manually, but if I can't find another way I guess I'll have to! | 22:57 |
| systemdlete | maddoc: I use bareos. Might be worth a look if you don't mind a bit complicated backup | 22:57 |
| rwp | maddoc, I decided to choose encrypted LVM since someone else was reporting a different problem with it yesterday. So running through that now. | 22:57 |
| rwp | maddoc, But if you are trying dual boot and using UEFI then it is possible there is some conflict happening with the ESP partition which would be shared. | 22:58 |
| systemdlete | I have modified my gufw launcher, but it requires a terminal and even though I did not check the leave terminal window open after program execution, it stays open anyway. Kinda ugly, but it does work. | 23:00 |
| golinux | rwp: It's a virtual digital sm�rg�sbord | 23:01 |
| maddoc | @rwp, I think so, I've mounted it in a live distro, and now it contains the old "parrot" folder, a "debian" folder (I think from the failed attempt) and a "kali" folder (I had a kali live usb and give that a shot too!)... It seems to be getting quite crowded, probably I'll have to wipe everything and start from scratch... | 23:01 |
| rwp | maddoc, The wisdom of the net points me to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debootstrap/+bug/1001131 which I am reading now. | 23:02 |
| rwp | maddoc, Hmm... I am skeptical of that reference. But there are many reports of identical failures such as: https://github.com/steamos-community/stephensons-rocket/issues/14 | 23:06 |
| rwp | maddoc, And also a reference here: https://bugs.debian.org/601670 | 23:07 |
| rwp | All of those reports I cited have all been quite aged now such as from 2012 but they are all making reports identical to yours. | 23:08 |
| maddoc | I'm going to give it a try | 23:10 |
| rwp | maddoc, What is it exactly that you are going to try? | 23:10 |
| maddoc | To make the installation continue with an unclean target | 23:11 |
| rwp | Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification. | 23:11 |
| rwp | maddoc, If afterward something ends up not booting let me note that the installer makes an excellent rescue boot image! Under Advanced menu is Rescue. Use it to chroot into installed system and then can repair from there. | 23:13 |
| maddoc | rwp, nice to know, thx a lot! | 23:14 |
| rwp | Meanwhile... My test installation with devuan_beowulf_3.1.1_amd64_netinstall.iso choosing encrypted LVM with the full desktop is working through the installation so far with no problems found. | 23:15 |
| maddoc | @rwp, nothing, still doesn't work, even if I try to continue... sob, I guess my fate has been chosen! :D | 23:22 |
| rwp | maddoc, Sorry that I am unfamiliar with the problem you are seeing. I haven't seen it myself. | 23:23 |
| rwp | I suggest returning to the channel in some hours and seeing if a new set of people in the room might know more. | 23:23 |
| maddoc | rwp, don't worry, as you said it's probably something with my setup, not the installer itself... | 23:24 |
| rwp | I feel it must be related to the multiple boot setup with UEFI since it is not normally seen byothers. | 23:24 |
| rrq | good morning; limited scrollback here: what's the issue? | 23:25 |
| rwp | rrq, This probably captures the problem discussion so far: https://termbin.com/zgts | 23:27 |
| rrq | ta | 23:28 |
| rrq | maddod: that's a debootstrap warning (not error) ; you mean that that is the last line in the log? | 23:31 |
| rrq | oops.. maddoc ^^^ | 23:32 |
| maddoc | rrq, "debootstrap warning" is the title of the alert, and after that it stops the installation... | 23:34 |
| rrq | can you shift to vt2 to run that same command manually... after it has stopped? | 23:36 |
| rwp | rrq, maddoc, I am guessing it looks exactly like this screenshot? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/105420512/Install-fails.png | 23:36 |
| maddoc | btw, I was having a look at /var/log/syslog, and found this: "unknown system user 'root' in statoverride file; the system user got removed before the override, which is most probably a packaging bug, to recover you can remove the override manually with dpkg-statoverride" | 23:36 |
| maddoc | @rwp, exactly, but only with the base-passwd package | 23:37 |
| rwp | It may only be a "warning" but it is doing something that I think should never be a problem. And if it is a problem then that warning I think is really an error. | 23:39 |
| rwp | Another thing you might do is Alt-F2, Enter to get console, and poke around and see what you see. | 23:39 |
| rwp | For example it should have mounted your target system and so forth. If that did not work then of course that would account for the chroot /target failure shown. | 23:40 |
| rrq | right; running the same command manually would report the problem better.. the installer suffers from log caching and parallel processing | 23:40 |
| rwp | The other useful screen is the other Alt-F4 and next to it where a continuous output trace trail is displayed. | 23:41 |
| rwp | Alt-F1 will return to the original installer screen. I think vt1 through vt4 are used with vt2 and vt3 available for user consoles. | 23:42 |
| rwp | maddoc, BTW... That "unknown system user 'root' ..." just feels freaky to me. (I once changed my root user name to something different as a joke. But...) | 23:43 |
| maddoc | rwp, yes, it feels weird... but I never changed root user name... | 23:45 |
| rwp | If you have any random other old computer that you could use it would be useful to go through an install where you can use the entire disk. Just to get the experience of how things are supposed to work. :-) | 23:46 |
| rwp | Or where one can swap out the storage device for the installation trial. Then can always restore the original storage afterward. | 23:47 |
| rwp | I am spoiled here by being a craphound and having a variety of hardware available. Plus being able to create virtual machines too. | 23:47 |
| rrq | maddoc: in vt2, start with commands "fdisk -l" "df -h" and "mount" | 23:50 |
| maddoc | rrq, done, now? | 23:52 |
| rrq | as rwp said, you want to see a /target mount on a writable partition of sufficient size | 23:52 |
| rrq | mounted | 23:52 |
| maddoc | ok, i have it | 23:54 |
| rrq | is "tail /var/log/syslog" interesting? | 23:57 |
| maddoc | btw, I remove all users from /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride and I succeded in installing base-passwd, even if with some warning in the configuration phase... tried to continue with "Install the base system" step but it fails, and doing ALT+F4 I see "debootstrap: tar: can't open './etc/deluser.conf': File exists' as the last line of the log... keeps | 23:57 |
| maddoc | getting weirder! :') | 23:57 |
| rrq | ah? are you installing over an unclean file system? | 23:58 |
| maddoc | @rrq, tail of syslog show that line "can't open ./etc/deluser..." etcera... | 23:59 |
| maddoc | @rrp, nope, I deleted and recreated the partition, and told the installer to format it | 23:59 |
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