libera/#devuan/ Thursday, 2021-05-06

rrq"ls -l /target/etc" would tell date-time for files and directories00:00
maddocrrq, date for deluser.conf is 26 Jun 2016... I have changed a lot of distros since then! Btw, it's not the first time I install linux, I'm fairly familiar with the process, but never seen something like this00:03
rwpI started a fresh UEFI install through the partition step and got this here using the Guided selection vda2 ext4 mounted as /target, vda1 ESP mounted as /target/boot/efi, vda3 swap00:03
rrqyeah, probabl things get installed with date-time preserved from the packages .. so that's not useful00:04
rwpmaddoc, That date on the file is okay.  That's the date from the .deb file and matches what I see too.00:04
rrqtry "grep /debootstrap /var/log/syslog" .. which should tell the last debootstrap command, then00:06
rwpI have walked through the base-files step and the only line in /target/var/lib/dpkg/statoverride is "root crontab 2755 /usr/bin/crontab" and nothing more.00:06
rrqcopy that but skip the "--debian-installer" parameter00:07
rrqthat will report what the error actually is ... (though now the filesystem is unclean of course)00:08
rwpFor reference here when I do that I see: ... debootstrap: /usr/sbin/debootstrap --components=* --debian-installer --resolve-deps --no-merged-usr --no-check-gpg beowulf /target file://cdrom/00:10
rrqI think you're right that it's something with the partition(s)/filesystem(s) ... type? size? (even bad blocks?)00:13
rwpmaddoc, How did you partition your system?  Since you are trying to multi-boot it?00:13
* rrq biab00:14
* rwp also must afk for a bit...00:14
maddocrrq, if i copy the last command it starts validating some packages and then stops at "Extracting adduser..."00:15
maddocI'll try another fresh install, at this point this one is too messy00:16
rrqmaddoc: do you use plain "install" or "expert install"?00:32
maddocrrq, "install"... i tried also with "expert install", but it wouldn't let me choose the ext4 filesystem...00:34
maddocps. were you watching the sn15 hop?!00:34
rrqthat doesn't parse for me, so probably not :)00:37
rrq"expert install" offers ext4 unless you skip the "install components" step00:39
maddocrrq, rwp, ok, now it seems it's working!!! wanna know what fixed it?! overwriting the partition with zeroes from the partitioner! I swear I deleted and recreated the partition before, but somehow it was still conflicting... X)01:02
rrqinteresting. good.01:02
maddocwell, all is well, thx a lot for your help guys!01:02
Ignotumclear01:10
rwpmaddoc, Glad to hear you have made progress. You overwrote the ESP??  Note that will destroy the boot loader from other the systems.  But you should be able to restore them later.01:26
rwpSince the ESP is shared that is definitely an area for conflict between different systems.01:26
TomKadoes anybody know when exim4 packages 4.92-8+deb10u6 for amd64 will enter beowulf-security?14:35
TomKabecause of 21Nails14:37
djphnope :(14:39
onefangWhen Debian puts it into buster-backports, since exim4 isn't one of the packages we fork, so we can only follow them.14:42
xinomiloit's already in debian/security14:44
xinomilohttps://tracker.debian.org/pkg/exim414:44
TomKabuster-backports has 4.94.2-1~bpo10+114:44
TomKa?14:45
xinomilohttps://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/package-query.html?c=package&q=exim4=4.92-8+deb10u614:45
TomKayes, but not exim4-base which is for amd64: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=exim4-base14:46
TomKait's only available for arm64 and ppc64el, https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=exim414:47
onefanghttps://tracker.debian.org/pkg/exim4 says "Accepted exim4 4.92-8+deb10u6 (source) into stable->embargoed, stable" to answer the original question about that specific version.14:47
onefang"Accepted exim4 4.94.2-1~bpo10+1 (source) into buster-backports->backports-policy, buster-backports"14:48
onefangBeowulf-backports has 4.94.2-1~bpo10+1 now.14:49
TomKastrange, that we have to use backports for getting urgent security updates in stabel14:51
TomKastable14:51
xinomilodon't use backports. debian has this version in buster-security, just checked from buster machine14:51
xinomilobeowulf-security is not updated yet..14:51
onefang4.94 is the backport, coz 4.92 is the actual version in Beofulf / Buster.  That's just how Debian rolls.14:51
xinomilobackports don't get security updates easily/fast, so use it with caution14:52
TomKayes, I know14:53
onefangI should be getting to bed soon.  Perhaps one of the other devs can check on amprolla and see what's going on.  I don't know much about that anyway.14:58
TomKaare the devs here? or should I jump into #devuan-dev for it?14:58
onefangUs devs tend to hang out in both.14:58
onefangJust discussed things with the other devs that happen to be around at the moment.  Yep amprolla needs a kick, but we need to wait for the devs that know where the right boot is.15:19
TomKaonefang: thanks and good night ;-)15:19
Junicchiis there any way to install virtualbox to chimaera/ceres ?16:21
Junicchicause i'm getting E: Package 'virtualbox-6.1' has no installation candidate16:21
xinomiloapt install virtualbox16:24
gnarfacemaybe it is a temporary failure?16:26
Junicchican't find virtualbox on repository, it has no installation candidate16:27
Junicchiits just i already had virtualbox but after updating from beowulf to chimarea its deleted16:28
gnarfacewell it is not unheard of for things to go missing from testing temporarily16:29
gnarfaceyou remembered to run "apt-get update" first, right?16:29
Junicchiofc16:30
Junicchii know that virtualbox is a crap but i had existing vms16:31
Junicchican't install virtualbox from official dep repos either cause it breaks16:31
xinomiloit's available in ceres repo16:33
xinomiloversion 6.1.20-dfsg-116:33
Junicchithen i'm now sure that something is wrong with my sourceslist or something16:34
Junicchii lived the same problem with some nvidia-drivers too16:34
fsmithredI'm seeing it only in ceres, also16:35
Junicchihttp://ix.io/3lXT16:35
Junicchiwhat do you guys think about my sourceslist16:35
xinomiloyou have chimaera and experimental only.16:36
xinomilonot ceres16:36
Junicchioh16:36
fsmithredif you add ceres, you should pin it to a lower priority16:36
fsmithredif you want to stay on chimaera16:36
Junicchidunno how to doit but trying rn16:38
fsmithredwow. FTR, the ceres version will not install on beowulf.16:38
fsmithredrn?16:38
fsmithredoh16:38
fsmithredmake a file in /etc/apt/preferences.d/  you pick the file name16:39
fsmithredPackage: *16:39
fsmithredPin: release n=ceres16:39
Junicchiwhat should be the content16:39
Junicchioh16:39
fsmithredPin-Priority: 116:39
fsmithredthen...16:39
fsmithredapt -t ceres install virtualbox16:39
fsmithredor whatever package from there16:39
fsmithredoh16:40
fsmithredafter you add the line for ceres to sources.list, you must apt update16:40
Junicchifsmithred: installed successfully thanks for help16:42
fsmithredyw16:43
Junicchican i also install from older repositories with this method?16:43
fsmithredfor future, remember you can convert the VM disks to another format to use them with qemu16:43
Junicchii'll probably swap to qemu16:43
fsmithredyeah, you could in theory install from beowulf or ascii16:43
fsmithredmight have trouble with dependencies16:44
fsmithredam I really here?18:27
djphfsmithred: are any of us really here?18:43
IanJYou're really here if I'm really here fsmithred.19:14
IanJI asked a question yesterday, if it's becomming more difficult / time consuming over time, to make the necessary package changes for devuan or if the required time/effort is remaining about the same. It may have been too early for some...19:17
rmthey are just too busy making the necessary package changes19:20
rm:)19:21
IanJWell, they are fighting the good fight. I just hope it's a battle they can win!19:22
DashiePieme too, Ian, me too19:25
Elio_MilanoCiao a tutti.. mi sembra di scorgere dei nick di italiani e la cosa è piacevole :)  Mesi fa ho aggiornato questo sistema da Jessie a Beowulf. Ed ora addio a startx -> xorg -> openbox :-(  Qualcuno è competente in materia?  Nel log utente di Xorg: "parse_vt_settings: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (Permission denied)", un classico.  Da root Xorg si avvia..19:59
Elio_MilanoUmh. Ora di cena..20:03
Elio_Milanonessuno allora -.- ?20:21
fsmithredElio_Milano, make sure elogind and libpam-elogind are installed, or else you need xserver-xorg-legacy and edit Xwrapper.config. See the release notes (at files.devuan.org/beowulf21:13

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