| rwp | linearain, What?! Unix is very user friendly! Unix is just very picky about who it picks to be friends! :-) | 01:48 |
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| jonadab | Eh, everyone's friends with Unix these days. | 01:58 |
| jonadab | Now, if you want to be in rare company, you've gotta join a TOPS-20 usergroup or something. Or, heh, Plan9. | 01:59 |
| jonadab | In another ten years or so, VMS will be there. | 02:00 |
| rwp | jonadab, Plan 9 is still alive. It's just a little less popular. Not going to be voted prom queen this year. But the future? Who knows! :-) | 02:17 |
| rwp | jonadab, I was just reacting to linearain's comment which was a paraphrase of a famous quote "UNIX is basically a simple operating system, but you have to be a genius to understand the simplicity. --Dennis Ritchie" | 02:18 |
| onefang | All very #devuan-offtopic, you might find more friends there to discuss that. | 02:19 |
| jonadab | Oh, aye. | 02:55 |
| linux_n | When i dual boot devuan and windows the time and date of both windows and linux gets messed up. Is there any fix for this? | 07:02 |
| gnarface | linux_n: yea | 07:17 |
| gnarface | linux_n: windows defaults to putting local time in the bios but linux defaults to putting UTC there | 07:18 |
| gnarface | change one or the other so they agree | 07:18 |
| gnarface | the best thing to do would be to change windows because storing UTC in the bios is the standard behavior, but not all versions of windows support this and the ones that do don't make it easy i don't think | 07:19 |
| linux_n | thanks | 07:20 |
| gnarface | in devuan i think "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" would prompt you with that question as well as the time zone | 07:20 |
| linux_n | ok thanks | 07:21 |
| gnarface | oh wait, linux_n, i found this: https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/3by6dn/clock_is_set_to_wrong_time/ | 07:22 |
| gnarface | might be relevant, looks like someone posted the registry key you'd use to set it in windows | 07:22 |
| linux_n | ok | 07:23 |
| gnarface | don't just use it blindly, double check | 07:23 |
| gnarface | make sure it's right for your version of windows, etc | 07:23 |
| gnarface | (i think regedit would let you create invalid nodes and windows will just ignore them) | 07:24 |
| gnarface | of course you'll have to set the time one more time after that | 07:24 |
| gnarface | the "ntpdate" tool is useful for a one-time set of the system time, if you don't want to just run ntpd | 07:24 |
| gnarface | the benefit of using the UTC time with everything is that you can change time zone offsets without breaking the time | 07:25 |
| onefang | Probably better off letting Windows have it's way and configuring Linux to do the same as what Windows does by default. | 07:25 |
| gnarface | in this case i really don't think so | 07:26 |
| gnarface | but it should work either way | 07:26 |
| onefang | Coz Linux allows it easily, Windows is a registry hack. | 07:26 |
| linux_n | ok | 07:26 |
| gnarface | well, that's true | 07:27 |
| gnarface | i use wine so i've learned to live with registry hacks | 07:27 |
| onefang | Changing timezones might be important if it's a laptop that regularly changes timezones. Otherwise, not important. | 07:27 |
| onefang | None of my computers have ever changed timezone, coz I've lived in the same timezone for the last 40 years. lol | 07:30 |
| iv4nshm4k0v | gnarface: ? Is there any reason /not/ to run ntpd? I don't think I can recall any problems in my two decades of using it. | 07:35 |
| linux_n | in devuan when i type: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata it says | 08:00 |
| linux_n | bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found | 08:00 |
| linux_n | when i run : hwclock --verbose i get :Using the rtc interface to the clock. | 08:03 |
| linux_n | Last drift adjustment done at 1620429918 seconds after 1969 | 08:03 |
| linux_n | Last calibration done at 1620429918 seconds after 1969 | 08:03 |
| linux_n | Hardware clock is on local time | 08:03 |
| linux_n | Assuming hardware clock is kept in local time. | 08:03 |
| linux_n | so i guess devuan is using local time and i need to change it to utc. | 08:03 |
| gnarface | iv4nshm4k0v: some people don't like the extra load on principle. also, it's not super useful for single machine configurations if you don't have a relatively constant network connection, and there is a theoretical security issue based on mass poisoning of the regional time network to cause up to 2 minute time inaccuracies across a whole geographic area | 08:51 |
| gnarface | iv4nshm4k0v: (it has been demonstrated in the wild before but making a much more severe time shift without getting noticed seems impractical, still... for the paranoid, it might be something to be avoided) | 08:52 |
| gnarface | if linux_n comes back, someone tell him to make sure debconf is installed and then try it again as root... is /usr/sbin/ not in root's path anymore? it might just need to be called as /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure | 08:54 |
| lunario | to upgrade from beowulf to chimaera, all i have to do is s/beowulf/chimaera/g in sources.list, right? what about the beowulf-updates and beowulf-security lines? | 10:24 |
| gnarface | lunario: you can just comment them out. testing doesn't have those. | 11:18 |
| xinomilo | untill chimaera becomes officially stable | 11:20 |
| emdete | can i use `dkms` to build a kernel module from the source-package for a module that is not regulary build for the binary-package? or do i need to rebuild the whole kernel? | 12:43 |
| buZz | dkms can compile modules against kernel sources elsewhere | 12:46 |
| buZz | but you need more than just a source package afaik , the sourcecode needs to be setup for dkms iirc | 12:47 |
| buZz | but, if its not a out-of-tree kernel module, why not just install the module package? | 12:47 |
| emdete | what would a "module package" be? | 12:48 |
| buZz | what module are you trying to install? | 12:49 |
| emdete | ks_wlan | 12:49 |
| buZz | ks7010 ? | 12:49 |
| emdete | yes | 12:49 |
| emdete | just found a sdio card in my computerscrap | 12:50 |
| emdete | so nothing important, just playing around a bit if i should trash it or not | 12:50 |
| buZz | only in kernel since 4.8 | 12:51 |
| buZz | i -guess- nobody at debian packaged it yet | 12:51 |
| emdete | :D yes, nobody has that esoteric card ;) | 12:51 |
| buZz | and no clue if SDIO requires more support in a kernel vs just a module for the wifi device | 12:51 |
| buZz | SDIO is more used in embedded land | 12:51 |
| emdete | yes, that's where is got it - long ago | 12:52 |
| emdete | s/is/I/ | 12:52 |
| emdete | but back to my initial question: it's a "no", because dkms needs some "setup for dkms", correct? | 12:57 |
| buZz | yes, its ment for compile out-of-tree modules | 13:00 |
| xrogaan | There's nothing more annoying than people CCing you when they reply to a list which you are subscribed. | 13:46 |
| storm_ | hello there : devuan can use on new gen cpu and hardware | 16:41 |
| coagen | anyone using devuan on raspberry pi? | 17:36 |
| Junicchi | dist-upgrading to chimaera from beowulf | 18:10 |
| Junicchi | upgraded* | 18:10 |
| Junicchi | and probably because of libc6-dev : Breaks: python3.7 (< 3.7.7-1+b1) but 3.7.3-2+deb10u3 is to be installed | 18:11 |
| Junicchi | http://0x0.st/-BVp.png | 18:11 |
| Junicchi | installing python3.7 will break a lot things | 18:15 |
| Junicchi | and i don't want to build it | 18:15 |
| Junicchi | isn't there an easier way? | 18:15 |
| golinux | coagen: #devuan-arm | 18:17 |
| hagbard_ | you could use python3.9 from chimaera instead | 18:17 |
| golinux | coagen: And here: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewforum.php?id=24 | 18:22 |
| Junicchi | hagbard_: yes that's the current version i have | 18:28 |
| Junicchi | but i also want 3.7 | 18:28 |
| Junicchi | so the only way seems to be builgind huh | 18:29 |
| fsmithred | I think I removed libc6-dev to upgrade. | 18:37 |
| Junicchi | fsmithred: doesn't sound clever | 18:44 |
| Junicchi | http://0x0.st/-BV7.png | 18:44 |
| Junicchi | i'm not trying to upgrade btw, i just want to have an older version of python too | 18:45 |
| fsmithred | Junicchi, what command produced that output? | 18:45 |
| fsmithred | if you want an older version of python, you might need to install it manually | 18:46 |
| fsmithred | and I mean "not from a package" | 18:46 |
| fsmithred | but I'm guessing | 18:46 |
| Junicchi | i know building an older version is a solution | 18:49 |
| coagen | golinux: thanks! | 20:16 |
| golinux | coagen: Nice to see that you're still around . . . | 21:04 |
| luser978 | nobody on *-offtopic tonight, eh? :-) | 21:41 |
| coagen | golinux: I'm always around :) | 23:09 |
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