| Radhitya | Halo! I have problem with network manager in my Devuan Beowulf SysVinit.. anyone want to help me? | 02:06 |
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| Radhitya | uh.. hello? | 02:08 |
| rwp | Radhitya, What type of problem are you having with Network Manager? | 02:10 |
| Radhitya | @rwp : thanks for asking. my network manager wont show wifi list. I have tried all the methods, starting from changing networkmanager.conf. | 02:11 |
| Radhitya | by the way, the wifi driver is safe from problems .. I connect wifi between wicd-client and wpa_supplicant .. (I download and connect wifi with both ..) | 02:12 |
| rwp | I don't happen to use NetworkManager so while I will try to help I am hoping that others in the channel will see my flailing around and will jump in when they see something they can help with about it. | 02:13 |
| rwp | That's one of the reasons why it is always better to just ask your question on IRC than to ask if you can ask. Because people will respond if they see something they know about. | 02:14 |
| rwp | The way you describe your setup sounds unusual. Because you also mention WICD. I am using WICD and can help with it. But WICD is not NetworkManager. So this is confusing. | 02:15 |
| Radhitya | sad :(... thanks for asking and respond my question.. | 02:15 |
| Radhitya | yes.. its different | 02:16 |
| Radhitya | anyone who use network manager, please help me :sad: | 02:16 |
| rwp | Radhitya, If you have a specific problem then ask about that problem. That works much better than just asking for people for general "help" as that does not help others to help you. | 02:18 |
| Radhitya | ok.. thanks for advice rwp | 02:19 |
| Radhitya | so i have problem with network manager, which is my networkmanager wont show wifi list | 02:20 |
| rwp | First, what type of WiFi device do you have? | 02:20 |
| Radhitya | intel wifi, i forget the name of program | 02:20 |
| rwp | Intel WiFi is probably close enough. It's a good NIC. | 02:20 |
| rwp | Is your system on a wired network at the moment? So that we can easily extract information from it? | 02:21 |
| Radhitya | but i thought its not problem.. since i can connect wifi with my wicd/wpa_supplicant ((i installed and configured both to connect with my wif)) | 02:21 |
| rwp | If wicd is working for you then I highly recommend just using wicd. That's what I use myself and I find it works well. | 02:22 |
| Radhitya | no, i dont use wired connection | 02:22 |
| rwp | I find it confusing that you say you had to install wpa_supplicant since that should have been installed as a dependency automatically. | 02:22 |
| Radhitya | ya.. :D its urgent, i use network manager for cheating exam HAHAHAHA | 02:22 |
| Radhitya | @rwp : sorry, i forget it | 02:23 |
| rwp | Right. I am sure you were joking. | 02:23 |
| rwp | Can you pastebin? If you run this command it will pastebin the output and then that URL can be shared with us: ip addr show | nc termbin.com 9999 | 02:24 |
| rwp | And then another useful tidbit of information is to see if your WiFi device can scan for other networks: iw dev wlan0 scan | grep SSID:.. | 02:25 |
| rwp | That's just providing a baseline of information about your system to prove that there isn't something really messed up. | 02:25 |
| Radhitya | https://termbin.com/7c87 | 02:25 |
| rwp | Then I guessed the name of your device to be wlan0 correctly! | 02:26 |
| Radhitya | its worked for iw dev wlan0 scan | grep SSID.. | 02:26 |
| rwp | Good! So your hardware is working correctly. And also "rfkill" is not causing problems. So that is good. It reduces the scope of the possible problems. | 02:27 |
| Radhitya | yaa... thats why i ask it here.... HAHAHA.. i confused | 02:28 |
| rwp | Since you are using wicd already... Do you have wicd-gtk package installed? If so that is the graphical interface to wicd. Is that what you are using so far? | 02:28 |
| Radhitya | yes, i use wicd-gtk | 02:28 |
| rwp | The terminal curses interface is wicd-curses and it works well too. (I use the curses interface. But most people like the mouse interface.) | 02:28 |
| rwp | Does wicd-gtk list out the other networks from scanning? | 02:29 |
| Radhitya | yes, it does | 02:29 |
| rwp | I am thinking that only one of either WICD or NM can grab access to the wlan0 device at a time. And since WICD is using it then it is busy for NM and therefore NM won't be able to use it. I think. | 02:32 |
| rwp | And that's about the limit of what I will be able to help with about NetworkManager. | 02:33 |
| Radhitya | huh.. okay.. thanks for your explanation | 02:33 |
| sadsnork | I may be tellin' tales out of school, but doesn't NM have problems accessing interfaces listed in /etc/network/interfaces? | 02:33 |
| sadsnork | If your wifi adapter is listed there, maybe remove it and try it again? | 02:33 |
| rwp | The same is true of wicd too though. Both ignore anything listed in /etc/network/interfaces. | 02:34 |
| sadsnork | ... or perhaps comment it out rather than removing it | 02:34 |
| rwp | Since it is working for wicd I assume (perhaps wrongly) that wlan0 is NOT listed in /etc/network/interfaces file. | 02:34 |
| Radhitya | but doesn't NM have problems accessing interfaces listed in /etc/network/interfaces? | 02:34 |
| Radhitya | lel.. wrong chat | 02:34 |
| Radhitya | i dont know if nm have problems with interfaces | 02:35 |
| Radhitya | yes, i remove it from /etc/network/interfaces | 02:35 |
| Radhitya | only "auto lo, iface lo inet loopback" in there | 02:35 |
| sadsnork | Dang, I was hoping it would be an easy fix. :-( | 02:36 |
| Radhitya | its ok sadsnork :) | 02:37 |
| sadsnork | PS: Thanks rwp ... and BTW, so for your use of wicd your /e/n/i is essentially blank (other than lo)? | 02:37 |
| rwp | sadsnork, Correct. I only have "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback" in that file. | 02:38 |
| rwp | There are a godzillian different strategies possible. But the mass consumer strategy is usually leaving interfaces file empty and letting either NM or WICD or connman or other manage the wlan0 device fully itself. | 02:39 |
| rwp | [[ For IoT devices I prefer to list the configuration in /e/n/i file and to use wpa_supplicant to connect. That works great. | 02:40 |
| rwp | Basically the difference between interactively selecting a network from a dynamically scanned list interactively and setting up a non-interactive configuration using files. | 02:41 |
| sadsnork | I may have to give that [wicd] a try the next time I fiddle with my laptop. I went the other way on that one and have been using manual ssid and psk entries in my /e/n/i file since I don't change networks very frequently. | 02:41 |
| rwp | If you are always connecting to the same network then what you are doing works great. Recommended for IoT devices! | 02:42 |
| rwp | But for people who like to pick from a dynamic selection then one of the utilities that provides that is more interactive and hand-holding. | 02:42 |
| sadsnork | Sorry Radhitya, hopefully someone who knows NM better than I do will have some ideas. | 02:42 |
| rwp | Except I hate Network Manager because traditionally upon package upgrade for security upgrades it would take the network offline. | 02:43 |
| rwp | And then forget to bring it back online leaving me locked out of the system and requiring me to drive into the datacenter! | 02:43 |
| rwp | And that is for wired network connections. | 02:43 |
| Xenguy | rwp, Wouldn't it make sense to test your 'only-1-daemon-at-a-time' theory? | 03:33 |
| Xenguy | Radhitya, ^^ | 03:33 |
| Xenguy | e.g. turn off wicd, and then test NM again? | 03:33 |
| Radhitya | ok, i try later | 03:36 |
| Radhitya | thanks for advice | 03:36 |
| Minecrafter | Will Devuan ever support as many architectures as Debian, if there were testers? | 08:41 |
| Minecrafter | Do you think there will be Devuan/HURD if someone stepped up to the task? | 08:47 |
| schillingklaus | uhmmm does HURD already provide for cgroups to permit systemd? | 08:48 |
| GyrosGeier | yeah, it's a problem of manpower, not a technical one | 09:52 |
| mirda | Hello | 11:28 |
| gnarface | hello mirda, it's a slow channel most the time. if you have any questions just ask them and wait. | 13:32 |
| gnarface | (if you're a regular and you already knew that, i apologize) | 13:32 |
| mirda | gnarface: I don't need to ask anything now, I was connected to the old channel too :) | 13:33 |
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