markizano | I am so going to have to wipe Ubuntu from my new laptop and completely rid myself of systemd -_- | 08:13 |
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markizano | #beowulf for the win! \o/ | 08:13 |
markizano | Feels too much like a Winblows virus :( | 08:13 |
alexus | \join devuan-dev | 16:22 |
alexus | opsss... | 16:22 |
Beer | :D At least it was no authentication | 16:25 |
alexus | Hi all... Please, could someone tell me if there are deb packages for simple-netaid? | 16:25 |
Beer | alexus: apt search, or https://packages.debian.org/ or https://pkginfo.devuan.org/ will tell you it does not seem to be something packaged by Debian | 16:27 |
alexus | Beer: I had already searched, but nothing... I was wondering if there was some "informal" simple-netaid deb package... | 16:30 |
Beer | alexus: apt-cache madison or apt policy will tell you what the source is if it's part of your APT lists | 17:23 |
Beer | Otherwise, get info on the author/packager from apt show | 17:24 |
DashiePie | guys, I'm failing to get devuan installed on a computer, it doesn't seem to want to partition the thing | 19:34 |
DashiePie | something came up about UEFI, should I have forced that install? I want to use GRUB, though | 19:35 |
DashiePie | previously installed on it was win10, I haven't let it touch the internet, though | 19:35 |
DashiePie | hello? | 19:39 |
GyrosGeier | there is GRUB for UEFI as well | 19:42 |
GyrosGeier | which you get depends on how you booted the installer, mainly | 19:43 |
GyrosGeier | basically, modern systems are UEFI only, plus a compatibility wrapper that emulates enough of a BIOS to boot stuff | 19:44 |
GyrosGeier | if you have the wrapper active, you can't access UEFI runtime services anymore, and installation of new entries in the boot menu is handled through runtime services | 19:45 |
DashiePie | oh, I probably should've forced UEFI, then | 19:45 |
GyrosGeier | yes-ish | 19:45 |
DashiePie | this computer is basically new | 19:45 |
GyrosGeier | and made sure to boot in UEFI mode | 19:45 |
DashiePie | okay, I guess that's why it wouldn't partition | 19:46 |
GyrosGeier | the USB sticks allow either, there is both a normal boot sector on it and an EFI system partition | 19:46 |
GyrosGeier | but that's not how you install normally | 19:46 |
DashiePie | thanks for the help, I'll go make sure it partitions, and come back if I have any problems | 19:46 |
GyrosGeier | actually installed systems either have an MBR partition table with a boot sector inside for legacy mode, or a GPT partition table with an EFI bootloader | 19:47 |
GyrosGeier | the EFI bootloader lives inside a specially marked partition | 19:47 |
GyrosGeier | for MBR mode, GRUB is installed into the secret unallocated space before the first partition, in EFI mode, it is installed into the EFI System Partition (ESP) | 19:48 |
GyrosGeier | if your root is encrypted, you need both an ESP and an unencrypted /boot partition for the kernel | 19:49 |
GyrosGeier | that is a bit annoying | 19:49 |
DashiePie | I figured out the problem | 19:51 |
DashiePie | it's not recognizing the actual hard drive win10 is on, and wants to use the usb I'm installing from | 19:51 |
DashiePie | how do I choose the correct disk? | 19:51 |
DashiePie | it seems to have taken this from the boot order, which I don't know why | 19:52 |
DashiePie | is there an option in expert install? | 19:52 |
GyrosGeier | it should show all drives | 19:52 |
DashiePie | it did not for some reason | 19:53 |
DashiePie | it runs detect and detects the flash drive, not the actual hard drive inside the machine | 19:53 |
DashiePie | I can't understand why, but it's win10, the most unfriendly os to ever grace our dystopian world | 19:53 |
orcus-de | DashiePie: if windows is still there - I would check the filesystems from there for errors ++ you should turn off windows fast startup feature too (to avoid the windows volumes - including the efi partition - being marked as dirty) | 19:53 |
GyrosGeier | that shouldn't be a problem | 19:54 |
GyrosGeier | good point about fast startup | 19:54 |
DashiePie | fast startup, is that in the bios? | 19:54 |
GyrosGeier | no, in Windows settings | 19:54 |
DashiePie | ah shit, I have to boot into that thing? | 19:54 |
GyrosGeier | it basically says "hibernate instead of shutdown" | 19:54 |
GyrosGeier | if you have never booted, then no | 19:54 |
orcus-de | as linux will stay away from touching a windows fs it it's seeing any errors there (to avoid breaking it) | 19:54 |
GyrosGeier | true, but the disk should show up | 19:55 |
orcus-de | https://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch001762.htm | 19:55 |
GyrosGeier | is that an NVMe disk? | 19:55 |
DashiePie | I have, but it installed without net (I didn't go into bios like I should have first time) | 19:55 |
orcus-de | it's something you got to change anyways | 19:55 |
DashiePie | 1tb 7200, assuming that means hdd | 19:55 |
GyrosGeier | yes | 19:55 |
GyrosGeier | so likely SATA | 19:55 |
DashiePie | so I have to boot back into win10 and switch off this "fast boot" bullshit, and then install over the damn thing finally | 19:55 |
GyrosGeier | does a SATA controller show up in lspci? | 19:55 |
GyrosGeier | no, if you don't want to keep it you can just overwrite it | 19:56 |
orcus-de | DashiePie: after you turned off windows fast startup, you have to boot a 2nd time into windows to get the change into effect | 19:56 |
GyrosGeier | just override the safety mechanisms | 19:56 |
GyrosGeier | my suspicion is more that the SATA HBA is in some weird mode | 19:57 |
DashiePie | I turned off secureboot in the bios and cleared it so it remained disabled, and then tried to install, didn't work | 19:57 |
DashiePie | I installed it without net, I'm not letting it touch the internet | 19:57 |
GyrosGeier | usually there should be a switch in BIOS "SATA mode", with "AHCI", "RAID" and "legacy" settings | 19:57 |
DashiePie | hm | 19:58 |
GyrosGeier | if that is in "RAID" mode, that might be a reason the disk isn't being detected | 19:58 |
GyrosGeier | would use AHCI | 19:58 |
GyrosGeier | legacy mode is a bit interrupt heavy IIRC | 19:58 |
DashiePie | I don't have to turn off fastboot, if I overwrite everything, you say? | 19:59 |
DashiePie | said* | 19:59 |
DashiePie | or do I still have to do that? | 19:59 |
orcus-de | you confuse fastboot (a bios feature) with fast startup (a windows feature) | 19:59 |
DashiePie | yeah, it's confusing to someone who gives no fucks about win10 and never used it, I only had win7 before | 20:00 |
DashiePie | win7 was the latest I've ever used and ever will use | 20:00 |
DashiePie | barring some stupid work-related thing, if ever | 20:00 |
DashiePie | >inb4 technically using win10 right now | 20:01 |
orcus-de | whatever you are doing - @all the windows fast startup is about: I suspect that your efi partition is marked as "dirty" and the install does not (dare to) use it | 20:01 |
DashiePie | okay, so what do I do? walk me through this, I'm getting a lot of confusing info | 20:03 |
orcus-de | I got nothing to add besides what I already wrote + the shared link DashiePie | 20:04 |
GyrosGeier | it should still show up though | 20:06 |
GyrosGeier | and a dirty EFI partition can be fixed with fsck | 20:06 |
GyrosGeier | this is annoying for Windows, which will be unhappy about that, but | 20:06 |
orcus-de | all true GyrosGeier :-) | 20:07 |
GyrosGeier | my next two steps would be checking lspci whether the SATA controller shows up | 20:08 |
GyrosGeier | and if it does, if it has a driver associated with it and/or if it's in the right mode in BIOS | 20:09 |
GyrosGeier | should be AHCI | 20:09 |
DashiePie | I turned off fast startup | 20:16 |
DashiePie | now the usb stick won't boot | 20:16 |
DashiePie | why is this so unnecessarily hard? | 20:16 |
DashiePie | just kept booting into win10 | 20:16 |
luser978 | tap F10 or F12 or Esc to get to a boot selection menu | 20:17 |
DashiePie | yeah, I changed the settings to boot the usb stick first | 20:20 |
DashiePie | didn't work | 20:20 |
DashiePie | kept booting into win10 | 20:20 |
luser978 | during boot, tap the boot menu key repeatedly | 20:21 |
luser978 | one of the above | 20:21 |
DashiePie | did I fuck up my flash drive by trying to install over it? do I have to rewrite a beowulf iso onto it? | 20:23 |
DashiePie | I don't think anyone can explain how this shit happens to me, it just happens | 20:23 |
luser978 | rewrite it, can't hurt | 20:27 |
DashiePie | is something like rufus portable? like, can I just download one of those things and run it? | 20:31 |
buZz | dd is portable | 20:35 |
DashiePie | I've got unetbootin, from their github.io page | 20:36 |
DashiePie | dunno if that up-front download works or not, but we'll see | 20:36 |
DashiePie | as for the installer, I want the full thing, so I can do it without internet | 20:36 |
DashiePie | I'm assuming that means 4GB download | 20:37 |
buZz | should work fine | 20:37 |
buZz | nah | 20:37 |
buZz | oh, you mean the dvd images? those are 4GB | 20:37 |
DashiePie | 3.6, apparently | 20:37 |
buZz | cool | 20:37 |
DashiePie | yeah, I want the full install for internet-less reasons | 20:37 |
buZz | sweet, have at it :) | 20:38 |
DashiePie | also, if win10 ever touched the internet, I'd always be ashamed of myself, and shunned by others, hopefully | 20:38 |
buZz | you know, you could just remove the ethernet cable ;) | 20:38 |
DashiePie | I never had one plugged into that computer in the first place | 20:38 |
DashiePie | nor did I ever have wifi | 20:39 |
buZz | then i dont know why you'd worry about any of this | 20:39 |
DashiePie | win10 has never had internet in this house, and as long as I have any say, it never will | 20:39 |
DashiePie | the burning hatred I feel for win10 overpowers any amount of suns you could feasibly combine together, even ignoring diminishing returns | 20:39 |
buZz | still no clue why you're even bringing this up | 20:41 |
buZz | how's the install going? | 20:41 |
DashiePie | >no clue | 20:41 |
DashiePie | >talking about trying to install over win10 | 20:41 |
DashiePie | literally trying to bulldoze it with no success | 20:41 |
buZz | why not? | 20:41 |
DashiePie | I wish I knew | 20:42 |
buZz | ok? what device is this you are using | 20:42 |
DashiePie | short summary of events | 20:42 |
DashiePie | >install win10 on accident, because I'm stupid, didn't realize it wouldn't select the usb without interference | 20:43 |
DashiePie | RIP me, first mistake | 20:43 |
DashiePie | >try to install, doesn't detect hard drive, does detect usb, try to partition, fails | 20:43 |
DashiePie | >possibly broken usb stick stops being usable for some reason and computer only boots into win10 | 20:43 |
buZz | if you installed devuan over the usbstick , it would no longer work | 20:43 |
buZz | and the install wouldnt even finalize | 20:44 |
DashiePie | >going to try to rewrite beowulf iso onto the stick | 20:44 |
buZz | cool | 20:44 |
DashiePie | it didn't work, at all, after I tried installing it onto the stick by accident | 20:44 |
DashiePie | these things happen to me and I can only assume some godlike force just loves seeing it, becuase it won't stop | 20:44 |
buZz | so this device is a plain desktop? | 20:45 |
DashiePie | it's an all-in-one desktop computer | 20:45 |
DashiePie | it's just temporary for me | 20:45 |
buZz | so no | 20:45 |
buZz | does it have a brandname and model number | 20:45 |
DashiePie | but it'll probably play WoW, so I just wanted to play WoW | 20:45 |
DashiePie | I couldn't find it on the net with the configuration on the box | 20:45 |
buZz | isnt that a >10 year old game? | 20:45 |
buZz | DashiePie: does the box say what it is | 20:45 |
DashiePie | but it's 24-df1237c, I think | 20:45 |
buZz | HP, thank you | 20:46 |
buZz | why was that so hard to say | 20:46 |
buZz | that storage is plain sata | 20:46 |
buZz | the installer should just show it | 20:46 |
DashiePie | HP all-in-one desktop computer, 16GB of RAM, 1TB 7200 HDD, i5-1137g or what the fuck ever | 20:46 |
fsmithred | Set it to AHCI maybe? | 20:51 |
DashiePie | I would have no idea how to do that | 20:54 |
fsmithred | it's in the bios | 20:57 |
fsmithred | a hard drive setting | 20:58 |
DashiePie | okay, I didn't see it in there, where should I be looking? | 21:05 |
fsmithred | same place as the RAID setting | 21:06 |
DashiePie | as if I know any of these things | 21:06 |
fsmithred | look around in the hard drive settings in the bios | 21:07 |
fsmithred | that's the best I can tell you | 21:07 |
fsmithred | if it's not obvious, look in the manual for the motherboard | 21:07 |
gnarface | a common list would be IDE, AHCI, RAID | 21:07 |
DashiePie | why does unetbootin recognize that something is plugged in or not, but doesn't actually continue with the iso write? | 21:12 |
DashiePie | okay, back to the drawing board | 21:13 |
fsmithred | don't know. | 21:13 |
gnarface | i missed the part about what you need unetbootin for? | 21:13 |
fsmithred | I haven't used unetbootin in over 10 years | 21:13 |
DashiePie | I was going to reinstall a beowulf iso onto it in case I somehow fucked it up by accidental partitioning | 21:13 |
fsmithred | and when I did, it ended up installing the bootloader to the usb instead of the hard drive | 21:13 |
gnarface | the beowulf isos are all usb bootable | 21:14 |
gnarface | you don't need unetbootin for that anymore | 21:14 |
DashiePie | I needed to WRITE, gnarface, WRITE an iso there, for full install because no internet | 21:14 |
DashiePie | unless I am mistaken and unetbootin does not do such a thing | 21:14 |
fsmithred | you don't have a linux system to use for that? | 21:14 |
fsmithred | dd or cat will do it | 21:14 |
DashiePie | what? | 21:15 |
DashiePie | I'm on devuan right now on the computer I installed it on in the first place that was broken a long time ago | 21:15 |
fsmithred | those commands will write the iso to a usb stick | 21:15 |
fsmithred | isohybrid | 21:15 |
DashiePie | my brain is going to explode | 21:15 |
gnarface | ok basically what we're saying is that several years ago they came up with a clever way to make isos bootable from usb or cdrom without unetbootin | 21:16 |
gnarface | they call it iso-hybrid | 21:16 |
gnarface | most distros use it by default now | 21:16 |
gnarface | and you can write one of these images to a usb key with dd, cat, or cp. maybe other stuff too. you don't need anything that isn't on every linux box | 21:16 |
orcus-de | sudo dd if=<the-iso-file> of=/dev/sdX bs=1M # where you replace sdX with the usb-device (not a partition there) - and obviously replacing <the-iso-file> with the iso-filename (including it's location path if not being at the current director) | 21:17 |
gnarface | unless we vastly misunderstand the task at hand, unetbootin is overcomplicating things massively | 21:17 |
orcus-de | s/director/directory | 21:17 |
gnarface | i dunno who started recommending bs=1M but sometimes that causes more problems than it is worth | 21:18 |
gnarface | the default should be fine | 21:18 |
orcus-de | and yes - this will require an usb, you can write to (and not an usb you are currently using to boot a live-linux from) | 21:18 |
orcus-de | never faced any issue with using a larger bs .. the default 512 byte will just take longer // but experiences might differ with your hw | 21:19 |
gnarface | it's pretty rare | 21:19 |
gnarface | tends to be an issue with cheaper stuff | 21:19 |
gnarface | but also it's not common for it to actually make writing to usb flash any faster | 21:19 |
gnarface | if we're talking about a solid state drive it would be a different matter | 21:19 |
orcus-de | no matter is using bs=1M or not ... the user obviously needs some command to use .. | 21:20 |
orcus-de | s/is/if/ | 21:21 |
gnarface | i'm not contesting that | 21:22 |
DashiePie | I have someone who can help me, I just need to wait for them to get on, so I'll let you guys know later how it goes, but I'm not a techie, I'm not a programmer, I'm not anyone who can understand these things off the bat, I'm just a user who hates controlling dictatorships | 21:22 |
buZz | cool | 21:23 |
orcus-de | whatever is working for you DashiePie is just ok - as long you can step forward | 21:23 |
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