libera/#devuan/ Tuesday, 2021-06-01

brocashelmis it safe to remove acpi packages if i have no need for them?01:14
rwpSafe?  It all depends.  If you truly are not using them then sure.  But they often get used for the special function keys for example.01:22
rwpOn all of my machines for example ACPI is used for the power button for shutdown and suspend.01:22
buZz'acpi' package is just a frontend cli tool for reading the acpi information02:24
buZzits not the tool for 'what happens on powerbutton press'02:24
buZz-usually- thats your WM02:25
buZzbut there's other methods02:25
buZzacpi/stable 1.7-1.1 amd6402:25
buZz  displays information on ACPI devices02:25
buZzif you're talking about that package, totally safe to remove02:25
buZzbrocashelm: ^02:25
omenis it easy to install systemd as dependency for some package?02:39
buZzomen: all debian packages that depend on systemd have been either liberated of that dependancy , or arent present in devuan02:44
omenwhat if i install package from 3rd party repo02:45
buZzthats not a devuan package then02:46
buZzyou can mess up a linux install really good if you go installing .deb's from random sources :D02:46
buZzbetter build whatever you want from source then02:46
buZzwhat package are you looking at?02:46
omensignal for example02:47
buZzthat doesnt depend on systemd afaik?02:47
omeni hope so :D02:47
buZzits not a system service02:47
buZzso why would it?02:47
buZzafaik the program is just a website wrapped in a browser wrapped in ... lxc? docker? no clue02:48
omenyeah it would be weird02:48
buZzmaybe it helps to deal with issues you actually have02:48
buZzinstead of inventing unknowns :)02:48
omenwell atom for example has lot of packages named like gnome-* and isn't gnome pretty much only working on systemd02:49
buZzwhats 'atom' ?02:50
omeni think it's categorized as text editor02:50
buZzoh lol02:50
buZzthats not a text editor02:50
omenhackable texteditor02:50
buZzthat is just a website wrapped in a browser wrapped in some container02:50
omenit's electron app02:50
buZzare all your 'desired' programs just websites? :D02:50
buZzwhy not just run a browser then02:51
omenI just wanted to know if I get warned if I try to install systemd02:51
buZzno you wont02:52
buZzif you want to shoot yourself in the foot (like , by adding debian repos in sources.list) , the system will comply to -your- wishes02:52
buZzand just do what you tell it to02:52
exorcisthello, happy devuan user for some years here, here's a little problem: every time I close the lid of my laptop I get this message "None of the screen lock tools ran successfully, the screen will not be locked". I'm using latest release Chimaera. What's the best solution to this?08:50
exorcistthis fixed it ---> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/101806/why-doesnt-my-screen-lock-in-xfce09:18
exorcistfirst install light-locker and switch login manager to lightdm, then run xfconf-query -c xfce4-session -p /general/LockCommand -s "light-locker-command -l" --create -t string09:18
exorcistif this happens to other users it would be a good idea to post this solution somewhere on a devuan wiki of sorts, I don't know if you guys have such a thing09:19
onefangWe are testing a bunch of wiki's to see which one we like the best.  Or at least some of the other devs are.09:20
exorcist👍09:22
natsince xfce 4.14/debian 10 locking screen has been really buggy for me10:10
natlight locker should be set up by default in my opinion10:10
natI mean I have it set up and it works perfectly but I always have to mess a lot with it10:11
natI also have expresscard egpu and I have to modify logind settings to not suspend/lock screen while "docked"10:12
meridianHi all,10:49
meridianI tried to register yesterday but my ip is banned. Can you please resolve the question? thanks!10:49
meridian109.190.13.2810:49
meridianecrire@francois-delegue.fr10:49
meridian(The message saying to not retry the registration should also be within the banned one…)10:49
meridianciao!10:49
onefangRegister on what?10:50
meridianof course… dev1galaxy.org10:51
NetKBshi?18:36
jyrithe problem with Wikis are that after you have used Confluence you realise how much they suck19:47
jonadabThere are a lot of problems with wikis.  The only really *good* thing about them, is that everyone and their dog is already familiar with Wikipedia.19:48
jonadabAt this point, MediaWiki markup is literally more widely known than XML.19:49
jonadabSo the barrier to entry for new users is just about as low as you can make it.19:50
nemough... how the heck does one run synaptic through ssh -Y these days22:02
nemopolkit is soooo annoying22:02
nemo$ synaptic-pkexec22:03
nemo==== AUTHENTICATING FOR com.ubuntu.pkexec.synaptic ===22:03
nemopolkit-agent-helper-1: error response to PolicyKit daemon: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: No session for cookie22:03
nemo... authenticating as... me... ☹22:03
nemosudo synaptic doesn't work either22:03
nemoxclock works fine22:04
nemosiiiigh22:04
* nemo curses and installs vnc22:04
rmsynaptic is arguably far from being an essential tool22:08
rmiow why you even need it22:09
rwpnemo, The man page for ssh -Y says "(Debian-specific: This option does nothing in the default configuration: ..."  But I don't use it and know nothing more...22:19
nemorm: I guess I should familiarise myself with the debian commandline more22:20
rmyeah the -Y part seemed unusual too22:20
rmI just use -X22:20
nemorm: it should be equivalent most of the time22:20
nemoI'm in habit of using -Y to work around situations where -X is not sufficient22:21
rmI see22:21
nemobut in any event, neither works here22:21
rmI don't have synaptic installed to check22:23
redrickrm:  (Hello, fellow person with initials RM!)  The ssh -Y option became necessary starting around 2008 with X.org's adoption of the "X11 SECURITY" extension.  Please see https://www.x.org/wiki/Development/Documentation/Security/ .23:17
rmredrick, thanks, I really meant I just use -X even today :)23:17
rmand it works for me23:17
rmadmittedly I might not be using a recent Xorg23:17
redrickIt may if there's not cross-user authentication for the X client.  Starting with X.org v. 7.2, though, the X client (such as /usr/bin/ssh, in this context) needs to jump through new hoops to qualify as a "trusted client".  That's what -Y in place of -X does.23:20
redrickI had to update my FAQ about remote X11 with root auth (http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Security/root-with-x11.html), when that change occurred.23:21
redrickrm:  I'm betting if you check ssh_config, you will fail to find a line saying "ForwardX11Trusted no".  That config detail enables the 2009 security improvement to X11 implementation, to make the -X option more limited.  But if your host lacks that, then -Y and -X both result in (dangerous) X11 client behaviour.23:49
rmyeah I don't have that23:50
redrickSome distros, notably Ubuntu Linux, made a policy decision to defer enabling the 2009 X11 SECURITY extension, by omitting that config.23:50
redrickSo, all X11 forwarding is assumed to involve friendly processes on both sides of the connection, that deserve the keys to the kingdom.23:51
redrickWith the option present, -X is subjected to the SECURITY extension, making it safer.  -Y is then what you use to signal 'I trust all of this stuff completely.  Let it do anything I could do locally.'23:53
redrickQuoting the Ubuntu man page for ssh(1):  "X11 forwarding is not subjected to X11 SECURITY extension restrictions by default, because too many programs currently crash in this mode.  Set the ForwardX11Trusted option to “no” to restore the upstream behavior.  This may change in future depending on client-side improvements.)"23:55
redrickTo be fair, that was in the 14.04 LTS man page, so they may have finally joined this century some time over the last five years.23:56
redrickAnyway, reference was to /etc/ssh/ssh_config , on a typical system.23:56

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