| mib_m6iwey | devuan beowulf amd64. how enable cyrillic input in tty(console)? | 02:46 |
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| systemdlete | The FN hostility is so thick I can taste it... Good thing I stopped by my hexchat client to check on the #devuan channel there. I see the web page has been updated to point people to libera, but I also see that the OFTC #devuan channel has a few of our folks in there also... | 06:54 |
| systemdlete | And this is an alleged grown-up who is pulling this nonsense on the community? Reminds me of another induhvidual with dreams of empire in the Linux realm... | 06:55 |
| systemdlete | I suggest a temporary popup message on the devuan.org home page to alert users to the change of IRC providers. | 06:56 |
| systemdlete | (Not every user will think of drilling down to the support pages on devuan.org, I'm just sayin') | 06:57 |
| yeti | much worse is the libera spam... I wanted to piunt someone to #hackaday@libera and got banned.... not on FN... their autoban on some keywords made mentioning libera in an unspammy context impossible too | 07:30 |
| yeti | piunt->point | 07:30 |
| yeti | this madness has to end... or I'll need a vacation in a deep cave! | 07:31 |
| unixbsd | yeti: i didnt know you were doing netbsd + devuan... both nice... | 08:16 |
| yeti | currently pausing a bit on the BSDs | 08:53 |
| yeti | I'm a bit wobbling between linuxblues and bsdblues... | 08:54 |
| yeti | tertium datur! microcontrollers! | 08:55 |
| yeti | there is always a different thing on my to do list | 08:55 |
| strawberry_ | hi so I'm using devuan testing xfce but after this upgrade wicd was no longer installed | 11:03 |
| strawberry_ | idk how i connect to the internet now but I'd like to use a network manager with a gui | 11:03 |
| job | wicd is no longer available in chimaera I think | 11:03 |
| job | I use connman-gtk as an alternative | 11:03 |
| strawberry_ | cool I'll try that | 11:03 |
| hagbard | wpa_gui could also be available | 11:04 |
| strawberry__ | ** (connman-gtk:3847): WARNING **: 11:06:05.863: failed to scan wifi: GDBus.Error:net.connman.Error.NoCarrier: No carrier | 11:05 |
| strawberry__ | hmm wireless doesn't seem to work yet.. | 11:06 |
| job | do you have wpa supplicant installed | 11:06 |
| strawberry__ | I have nmtui installed | 11:06 |
| strawberry__ | should I kill that first? | 11:06 |
| job | yeah, connman-gtk should replace NM I think | 11:07 |
| job | they could conflict with each other | 11:07 |
| strawberry__ | yes that was the issue | 11:08 |
| strawberry__ | resolved now :) | 11:08 |
| strawberry__ | connman works nicely, thank you for this rec | 11:08 |
| job | you're welcome :D | 11:08 |
| strawberry_ | ah now it's here | 11:10 |
| luser978 | tell everyone new to devuan to remove networkmanager, install wicd or conman. saves a lot of time. | 12:09 |
| lts | wicd depends on python2 and hasn't been updated since 2014. But definitely agree about networkdamager | 14:10 |
| paprika | for some reason cryptsetup is installed but it still tells me that the command could not be found | 17:06 |
| paprika | when I execute as the root user that is, it does work when I use sudo | 17:07 |
| sadsnork | paprika, my cryptsetup is in /sbin/ - if you "sudo which cryptsetup" it should tell you if yours is in the same place. Is "that place" in your root's $PATH? | 17:10 |
| sadsnork | And when you are logging in as root are you logging in directly, using su or using "su -"? | 17:12 |
| paprika | ah the issue is the loggin in with "su" instead of "su -" | 17:14 |
| paprika | ty sadsnork | 17:14 |
| sadsnork | Booyeah! :-) | 17:15 |
| jonadab | Suppose I am on Beowulf, and this thing I would like to build and use, is asking for "Qt5Core" version 5.15.0. The relevant package seems to be qtbase5-dev, but it's version 5.11.3. What's my easiest approach to resolving this? | 20:25 |
| jonadab | Building something major like Qt from source seems like going a long way for one program. I *could* attempt it anyway, but are there easier options? | 20:26 |
| Xenguy | jonadab, https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=qtbase5-dev | 20:27 |
| jonadab | That looks promising, but can I just install one of those 5.15.2 packages on Beowulf without further dependency issues? What's the easiest way to go about it? Download and dpkg -i ? | 20:29 |
| Xenguy | It's not generally recommended to mix versions like that, but other than that I'm not certain | 20:30 |
| jonadab | I mean, nothing there tells me that that package is for beowulf, or will work on beowulf; but it doesn't say not, either. Doesn't say anything about Devuan version, that I can see. | 20:31 |
| jonadab | Oh, wait. | 20:32 |
| jonadab | Yes it does. | 20:32 |
| jonadab | chimaera | 20:32 |
| jonadab | Or unstable | 20:32 |
| jonadab | I see. | 20:32 |
| jonadab | Hmm. | 20:32 |
| jonadab | Yeah, I see how to read that info now. | 20:33 |
| Xenguy | Sometimes there will be a version available as a backport, but that appears to not be the case here | 20:35 |
| jonadab | Yeah, I think I was hoping for a backport, but now that I think about it more, backports are usually applications, rather than libraries. | 20:35 |
| Xenguy | I try not to bother with backports anymore myself | 20:36 |
| Xenguy | That's true I expect | 20:36 |
| jonadab | I'm half tempted (not because of this specific thing, but long-term) to maintain an extra computer whose sole purpose is to be on the most bleeding-edge everything (unstable?). But that way lies madness. | 20:37 |
| Xenguy | You could try installing chimaera on the extra PC, and that would satisfy this dependency | 20:38 |
| jonadab | I guess what I should actually do is look at the commit history of the thing I want to build, and see when the requirement was updated. | 20:38 |
| jonadab | This is the first I've heard of chimaera. Is it $nextversion after beowulf? | 20:39 |
| sadsnork | jonadab, depending on the application you want to use maybe switching to chimaera or having a small chimaera virtual machine would work? | 20:39 |
| Xenguy | Yes | 20:39 |
| jonadab | How close to fully baked is chimaera at this point? | 20:42 |
| Xenguy | Fairly. There are a number of people using it AFAIK without big problems | 20:42 |
| jonadab | This is a desktop system, so I don't have the kinds of stability requirements on it as on some of my other systems, but I still want something that isn't completely flaky. | 20:42 |
| Xenguy | But I haven't run it myself | 20:42 |
| jonadab | Ah, interesting. | 20:42 |
| jonadab | I will think about this. | 20:42 |
| Xenguy | Definitely not completely flakey | 20:43 |
| Xenguy | One thing to note about chimaera is that wicd is not available (due to python2 problems) | 20:43 |
| Xenguy | So people seem to be using alternatives like network-manager or connman | 20:43 |
| jonadab | wicd is, what, 802.11 stuff? I don't need that. | 20:45 |
| jonadab | This is a desktop. Sits in one place all the time. Has cat6 cable to the switch. | 20:45 |
| Xenguy | perfect : -) | 20:46 |
| jonadab | (In fact, if I could set one setting in /etc somewhere and make all software stop trying to configure any networks ever and just go with what I put into /etc/network/interfaces, that would be great.) | 20:46 |
| Xenguy | I just use chattr +i to make important files immutable | 20:47 |
| Xenguy | The heavy-hammer solution I know, but works for me | 20:47 |
| jonadab | Yeah, I've been keeping a backup copy of resolv.conf for decades because stuff like Network Manager keeps wanting to *mess* with it. | 20:49 |
| Xenguy | It's really annoying when /etc/resolv.conf gets changed | 20:49 |
| jonadab | Yeah. | 20:49 |
| Xenguy | I first noticed these things in connection with some app called 'resolvconf' when I was on Debian | 20:49 |
| Akuli | mine contains two copies of the same line :D | 20:50 |
| Akuli | is that bad? | 20:50 |
| Xenguy | But there are so many apps now that want to change that file that I just decided to put a stop to it | 20:50 |
| jonadab | Makes sense. | 20:50 |
| Xenguy | Akuli, Feel free to pastebin it | 20:51 |
| nat | jonadab: I'm running chimaera on a laptop and orange pi and I didn't have any problems with it yet | 20:51 |
| Xenguy | (paste.debian.net) | 20:51 |
| Akuli | nameserver 192.168.1.1 | 20:51 |
| nat | Unless pipewire depending on systemd sockets counts :I | 20:51 |
| Akuli | this line repeats twice, and that's the whole file | 20:51 |
| Xenguy | Akuli, I'd say you don't need the duplicate line | 20:52 |
| jonadab | That shouldn't be a problem, I think. I mean, it's _odd_, redundant, unnecessary, and ineligant. But I don't think it will cause actual problems. | 20:52 |
| Akuli | presumably it's generated by wicd or some program that wicd invokes | 20:52 |
| Xenguy | Are you runnning local DNS of some kind? | 20:52 |
| Xenguy | e.g. I run 'unbound' here | 20:53 |
| Xenguy | So my first line of /etc/resolv.conf is the same as yours | 20:53 |
| jonadab | He must be, if that IP address is pointing to a resulver. | 20:53 |
| jonadab | *resolver | 20:53 |
| jonadab | It would be very strange if anything in 192.168.* were being routed off-system. | 20:54 |
| jonadab | I can imagine 192.168.1.* being a virtual environment hosted on the local system, maybe. | 20:55 |
| jonadab | But it shouldn't ever go out over the network. | 20:56 |
| Akuli | ah i know what it is | 20:56 |
| Akuli | 192.168.1.1 is a device at the other end of the ethernet cable | 20:57 |
| Akuli | it has a sim card and internally it's very much like a phone, but its whole purpose is to provide internet via ethernet cable connection | 20:57 |
| Xenguy | Akuli, Makes sense now, and I wrong about my own setting... | 20:58 |
| Akuli | it has several places for ethernet cables | 20:58 |
| Xenguy | s/192.168.1.1/127.0.0.1/ | 20:58 |
| Akuli | for example, if i plug in my laptop, it's typically 192.168.1.2 or 192.168.1.4 | 20:58 |
| Xenguy | Yeah so 192.168.1.1 is common for a router or similar device | 20:59 |
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