libera/#devuan/ Sunday, 2021-06-06

jonadabOh, hmm, LAN address, ok.00:39
jonadabI'm used to 10.x.x.x for those, but sure, 192.168 works, as long as your network is small.00:39
jonadabShouldn't be anything upstream at your ISP though.00:40
rrqjonadab: /etc/resolv.conf is typically updated by dhclient which typically gets a gateway notice in the DHCP handshake00:57
rrqyou can configure your dhclient "service" to ignore gateway00:57
rrq.. dhclient is not set up as a "service" but gets used by ifupdown as part of handling the "dhcp" method for an interface01:01
jonadabrrq: Yeah, but dhclient should only run if something in /etc/networking/interfaces says to use DHCP.  Which it doesn't.02:03
jonadabBut that doesn't seem to matter any more; on modern Linux systems, you're not allowed to specify your own network config, you have to let the software screw it up for you automatically.02:04
rrqyes, the "desktop environments" usuallly include some gui software for network fiddling, and those typically include "helful" daemons02:05
rrqmostly they are via "recommends" though so can (at least) be removed02:08
jonadabYes, once you track down which thing is causing the problem.02:15
rrqtrue.. though in any case, all of them use dhclient, and that has its own config, where it's told whether or not to take notice of the DHCP provided gateway02:17
rrq.. kind of same "problem" still; that the default setting isn't fully correct for your use case02:24
rrqfor me it's totally wrong :) because I have multiple "cables" set up via dhcp, but only one of them should be default gateway02:27
unixbsdhello08:28
unixbsdit works now, ps2 emu. it works only with archlinux at best, because of the rolling feature of it. it has newer xorg and newer kernel08:29
brocashelmunixbsd: i use devuan ceres (current kernel is 5.10.0.7). what was your issue from earlier? not being able to run games on pcsx2?09:47
brocashelmunixbsd: pcsx2 is installed and i can run final fantasy x just fine on i7-3770 cpu with radeon rx 560 gpu09:47
unixbsdbrocashelm: good to know, thank you, I will get a try ceres with the same kernel soo or later. thx for info10:07
unixbsdbrocashelm: here cheap gpu...   Graphics card type, Vega 8. Motherboard, Gigabyte B450M S2H. CPU series, AMD Ryzen™ 3. Processor/type, 3200G. Pc kit from renkforce10:08
brocashelmunixbsd: cool, i'm actually in between an upgrade as i try to get this motherboard for the amd ryzen 5 3600 build to be functional (i think i plugged in wrong components; first time building a pc ever). it will be my daily driver and refracta will run even smoother on it for sure. i have other intel systems that i'm keeping because they work just fine, but a luxury upgrade so i can get things done quicker (such as compiling and encoding)10:43
brocashelmunixbsd: the moment i switched to ceres last july, i never went back to beowulf or ascii. it's stable enough for me and it helps to have hands-on experience troubleshooting gnu/linux systems. the learning curve is totally worth it IMO10:44
ShorTieceres still valid ??13:33
ShorTiethought it twas chimaera now13:33
brocashelmceres = unstable13:35
brocashelmso it will never transfer to another version13:35
brocashelmchimaera was/is testing, whereas daedalus is next in line for that13:35
ShorTieoh, Ok13:36
unixbsdbrocashelm: can you handle the enp8s0 insanity?13:46
unixbsdbrocashelm: If it differs too much to slack, I cannot gettin' used to it. enp..* and systemd is no way, just for gaming only.13:46
unixbsdShorTie: could we have a page on HOME devuan.org to list the codenames: i cannot follow up. ceres chimaera bulleye sid?? is there sid in devuan, ascii if it was debian... modded..13:49
unixbsdsudo -  for fdisk  is a really systemd thing. you can suppress it.13:50
brocashelmunixbsd: i think i always get eth0 by default14:35
fsmithredeudev uses the old interface names by default. If you're getting the new names, something is wrong. Did you do an incomplete migration from debian?15:11
fsmithredunixbsd, on the front page of devuan.org, right under where it says "Devuan Releases" click on the link that says Devuan Releases and you'll get to this page: https://www.devuan.org/os/releases15:13
brocashelmi installed refracta directly15:14
brocashelmso no problems here15:15
fsmithredsame here :)15:15
brocashelmexcellent15:15
fsmithredactually, that's not true15:15
fsmithredI installed beowulf before it was released15:16
fsmithredand made most of the changes that get made for refracta15:16
ShorTiehow long should  update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-5.10.0-7-amd64  take ??18:44
ShorTiemine seems hung .. :/~18:44
rmShorTie, if you check in "top", does it use CPU?18:54
rmload from mkinitramfs or gzip18:54
huria4I heard some drama online that this project is bankrupt trying to keep catch-up with debian. Is there any truth to that statement?19:30
gnarfaceShorTie: if they changed the default to xz compression it could take much longer than before, especially on older machines20:34
gnarfacethere should be a way to change it back to gzip or bz2 though20:34
jonadabYes, they all it a "default" because it's what happens if you default on your option, i.e., if you don't tell the software what setting you actually want.20:35
gnarfacewell, the issue at hand i think is that debian chnaged it for existing installs without any care as to your previous setting and whether it's actually sane to ask a 1-core 32-bit machine to xz decompress a 25MB file at boot time20:40
ShorTiethis is a fresh debootstrap, so there reall is no initrd.img-5.10.0-7-amd6420:59
ShorTieto undo20:59
gnarfaceoh21:08
gnarfacewell, yea, if it was a fresh debootstrap it wouldn't even have a kernel package installed by default21:08
gnarfaceyou'd have to have installed it separately21:08
ShorTiehow we do that if i can ask ??21:26
ShorTieinstall linux-base, but it is there already21:26
gnarfaceuh21:26
gnarfacerun these commands:21:26
gnarfaceapt-cache search ^linux-image21:26
gnarfaceapt-cache search ^linux-headers21:27
gnarfaceyou need to pick some out of the list21:27
gnarfacewell, you might not need the headers, but you do if you're using nvidia official binary drivers or anything else that relies on dkms21:27
gnarfaceif you're updated, this might work: apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r`21:28
gnarfacebut if you run the search commands it shouldn't be too hard to pick the right one21:29
gnarfaceask me if you're not sure21:29
gnarface(kernels with "-rt" in the name are "realtime" kernels and contrary to popular belief, those are for audio studio production, not gaming)21:29
gnarface(if you want a gaming kernel, just rebuild the stock default one with CONFIG_HZ=100021:30
gnarface)21:30
gnarfacei assume if you're installing a kernel in a debootstrapped chroot to turn it into a bootable system, you'll also need to know to run update-grub after installing the kernel21:33
ShorTieya, update-grub is always a problem for me, can't find device or sumfin like that21:45
gnarfacesometimes you have to tell it21:46
gnarfacesometimes you have to use grub-install instead21:46
gnarfaceand sometimes if you've got a previous grub install on another physical disk it still trips and faceplants on reboot if you don't manually fix it up21:46
gnarfaceshit happens21:47
ShorTieoh i know that for sure21:47
gnarfacethe thing that saves the day for me when all hope is lost:  try lilo instead :)21:48
gnarfacei started with lilo so the behavior is much more familiar to me, but also it is a lot smaller and the config syntax is much simpler21:48
ShorTieSo, So, Sorry, No lilo here21:48
onefangrEFInd is good.21:50
Walex2gnarface: onefang: the current typical GNU/Linux boot sequence is: EFI->GRUB->initramfs->"root" fs21:51
Walex2where EFI is an OS with a shell, GRUB is an OS with a shell, 'initramfs' is an OS (image) with a shell, "root" is an OS (image) with a shell.21:52
onefangI know that.  rEFInd replaces GRUB.  Obviously it's an EFI thing.21:53
Walex2onefang: I was pointing out that it is a crazy situation, if anything rEFInd improved it a bit as it is not a full OS like GRUB, but an application for the EFI OS.21:59
* Walex2 uses JFS for the '/boot/'/"root" filesystem so cannot use rEFInd22:01
onefangThe major improvement from my point of view is no need to update / reinstall it after updating your kernel.22:01
gnarfacewell the kernel packages are supposed to take care of that when it is relevant...22:02
Walex2onefang: that is a side effect of it using the EFI OS to probe all disks on the system, doing at boot time what 'update-grub2' does statically22:02
Walex2onefang: that is good but if one has many disks, but then eEFInd seems targeted at laptops and desktops which usually have few storage devices and partitions.22:03
plasma41Walex2: Why JFS?22:04
Walex2a rarely used option is to use the EFI partition itself as '/boot'22:04
Walex2plasma41: because JFS is the "best" traditional filesystem, more stable, simple and with better or equal performance (not merely speed) as others.22:05
Walex2plasma41: http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/21-one.html?210123#21012322:07
Walex2plasma41: http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/17-one.html?170302#17030222:08
Walex2plasma41: http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/16-two.html?161217#16121722:09
* Walex2 thinks that if only JFS had been adopted twenty years ago as the default Linux filesystem instead of 'ext3' by now there would be world peace, no COVID, faster GDP growth and better scifi movies22:11
plasma41I see22:14
ShorTietop says cpio is doiing sumfin22:15
Xenguyonefang, First time I've heard tell of 'rEFInd', looks interesting22:38
Walex2Xenguy: it is indeed pretty nice. But again, for laptops/desktops22:51
Walex2eventually I will explore the option of just using the EFI partition as '/boot', and boot the Linux kernel directly from EFI.22:52
XenguyWalex2, Laptops are pretty much my use case nowadays...22:53
XenguyTrue to form I have simply avoided all contact with EFI thus far, disabling it in the BIOS, which seems to have worked thus far22:53
Walex2Xenguy: I have also disabled EFI boot for a long time, because early implementations were buggy and so was WEFI setup in Linux. But I see the writing on the wall, in particular as many recent laptops can only do EFI boots from internal devices (most can still do MBR boots from external ones).22:57
* Walex2 is reminded that he really needs to post his recent discovery of 'grub.cfg' in the EFI partition...22:58

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